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Oldest Living England International
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 10:05 pm
by MT03ALG
Whilst talking with Mike Hodkinson, who wrote the book No Nay Never, the other day, Mike mentioned that Bryan Douglas is the second oldest England International to be still alive. Bryan is 91. He asked if I could name the oldest which I eventually did. An easy question for many Clarets......
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 10:09 pm
by Buxtonclaret
Colin

Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 10:10 pm
by Tricky Trevor
Colin McDonald at 94 and counting.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 10:11 pm
by Buxtonclaret
I never saw him play, but my dad really rated him.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 10:36 pm
by Spike
Bryan Douglas End - been a place of fun for us for over a decade
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 10:38 pm
by CyrilEbokiPoh
Remarkable that the oldest two are from Burnley and Blackburn. Cool fact!
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 10:43 pm
by exilecanada
Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑Wed Jul 16, 2025 10:11 pm
I never saw him play, but my dad really rated him.
I was around to see Colin McDonald play, great goalie, had one flaw in his game. Once in awhile when he thought a shot was going wide he'd raise his arms and one or two would sneak in the bottom corner

Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 11:45 pm
by ClaretTony
I heard a while ago that Colin hadn’t been very well.
But mention of him allows me to put a link on to the day we took him to Gawthorpe in 2018. Absolute gentleman and it was a privilege to spend a few hours with him and his wife Anne.
https://youtu.be/2jyGa7Qg5Ds?si=0ntnxAL4A2tqzE_F
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 4:57 am
by Buxtonclaret
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Jul 16, 2025 11:45 pm
I heard a while ago that Colin hadn’t been very well.
But mention of him allows me to put a link on to the day we took him to Gawthorpe in 2018. Absolute gentleman and it was a privilege to spend a few hours with him and his wife Anne.
https://youtu.be/2jyGa7Qg5Ds?si=0ntnxAL4A2tqzE_F
Was it you who posted a pic of all the keepers, that day? Joe, Nick, Tom and Colin?
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 9:10 am
by ClaretTony
Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 4:57 am
Was it you who posted a pic of all the keepers, that day? Joe, Nick, Tom and Colin?
I took the pic and just dug it out.

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Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 10:47 am
by Frenchclaret
I remember Colin playing for the Clarets and I don’t remember any goals being scored against him with his arms in the air. I also remember him playing for England in the World Cup and he was one of the best players there. He was a quiet man for a goalkeeper but was one of the best I have ever seen. Eventually he was replaced by Adam Blacklaw another favourite of mine.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 10:57 am
by ClaretTony
Frenchclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 10:47 am
I remember Colin playing for the Clarets and I don’t remember any goals being scored against him with his arms in the air. I also remember him playing for England in the World Cup and he was one of the best players there. He was a quiet man for a goalkeeper but was one of the best I have ever seen. Eventually he was replaced by Adam Blacklaw another favourite of mine.
I saw him play for the reserves when he was trying to make a comeback from the broken leg so never saw him play first team football. My dad always told me he was the best goalkeeper he ever saw and Jimmy Mac told me he was the best he ever played with or against. That'll do for me.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:42 am
by Buxtonclaret
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 9:10 am
I took the pic and just dug it out.
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That's the one!
I couldn't find it.
Cheers.

Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:46 am
by Goliath
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 9:10 am
I took the pic and just dug it out.
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Who's the best. Having never seen Mcdonald I'd go Heaton. He was the most rounded.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:56 am
by ClaretTony
Goliath wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:46 am
Who's the best. Having never seen Mcdonald I'd go Heaton. He was the most rounded.
It was always Adam Blacklaw for me but Tom Heaton & Nick Pope have to come into the reckoning too.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 1:11 pm
by FCBurnley
Met Bryan Douglas on a cruise. Once he knew I was from Burnley he made his excuses and left !!! Worked with Colin when he was at Oldham and saw him play. Certainly a great keeper but not sure he would be tall enough for today’s game (see pic )
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 1:17 pm
by ClaretTony
FCBurnley wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 1:11 pm
Met Bryan Douglas on a cruise. Once he knew I was from Burnley he made his excuses and left !!! Worked with Colin when he was at Oldham and saw him play. Certainly a great keeper but not sure he would be tall enough for today’s game (see pic )
He was 6ft 2ins when he played
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 1:27 pm
by Frenchclaret
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 1:17 pm
He was 6ft 2ins when he played
Yes, I remember him being quite tall and very slim but remarkably agile. If Jimmy Mac said he was the best I would have to agree with him.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 1:57 pm
by ClaretTony
Frenchclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 1:27 pm
Yes, I remember him being quite tall and very slim but remarkably agile. If Jimmy Mac said he was the best I would have to agree with him.
His wife was stood next to me when I took the photo further up the thread and she said it highlighted just how much he’d shrunk in height.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 1:59 pm
by CyrilEbokiPoh
Goliath wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:46 am
Who's the best. Having never seen Mcdonald I'd go Heaton. He was the most rounded.
Hart obviously had the best career. For Burnley I would go Heaton just above Pope.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 2:11 pm
by Goliath
CyrilEbokiPoh wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 1:59 pm
Hart obviously had the best career. For Burnley I would go Heaton just above Pope.
He had the easier circumstances. Heaton and Pope had to work there way back up.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 2:42 pm
by Woodleyclaret
I'd have Tom Heaton back if we sell Traff
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 2:45 pm
by Mike47
I remember Colin as a very good safe goalkeeper. I don’t remember him ever dropping the ball and he didn’t have the special gloves that goalkeepers have today.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 5:06 pm
by Longford Claret
Colin McDonald is the oldest surviving England International Footballer. The second oldest is not Brian Douglas but former West Ham player Ken Brown, who is 3 months older than Brian.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 5:27 pm
by Quicknick
Longford Claret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 5:06 pm
Colin McDonald is the oldest surviving England International Footballer. The second oldest is not Brian Douglas but former West Ham player Ken Brown, who is 3 months older than Brian.
Well spotted.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 5:32 pm
by ClaretTony
Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 2:42 pm
I'd have Tom Heaton back if we sell Traff
Tom is 39 now and hasn't played any league football in over five and a half years.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 5:42 pm
by Somethingfishy
Frenchclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 10:47 am
I remember Colin playing for the Clarets and I don’t remember any goals being scored against him with his arms in the air. I also remember him playing for England in the World Cup and he was one of the best players there. He was a quiet man for a goalkeeper but was one of the best I have ever seen. Eventually he was replaced by Adam Blacklaw another favourite of mine.
Isn't this attributed to Alan Stevenson? One of my earliest memories was as a small child and being taken on by my grandfather in the late 70s. I remember him waving it past the post in front of the CF and it nestled in the bottom corner. Newcastle at home I think.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 6:00 pm
by Longford Claret
Quicknick wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 5:27 pm
Well spotted.
The moral of the story is , don't believe anything told to you by a Blackburn Rovers supporter without first checking up on the facts.

Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 10:42 pm
by CyrilEbokiPoh
Goliath wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 2:11 pm
He had the easier circumstances. Heaton and Pope had to work there way back up.
Not necessarily, Hart started at Shrewsbury, then multiple lower league loans before working his way up and dislodging one of the premier leagues best Goalkeepers in Prem History in Shay Given. And then stayed at Number one at City for years when they could literally have signed anyone.
Hart had an incredible career (and rise) from Shrewsburys youth team. Heaton started in United academy.
All three were top keepers in their own right. For Burnley I would order them Heaton, Pope and Hart a long way third (although he didnt actually do badly in his half season starting for us. Just the results weren't good!)
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 10:56 pm
by boatshed bill
Incredibly, Colin was the first ever player I got with a chewing gum . Wish i'd kept it.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:00 pm
by Goliath
CyrilEbokiPoh wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 10:42 pm
Not necessarily, Hart started at Shrewsbury, then multiple lower league loans before working his way up and dislodging one of the premier leagues best Goalkeepers in Prem History in Shay Given. And then stayed at Number one at City for years when they could literally have signed anyone.
Hart had an incredible career (and rise) from Shrewsburys youth team. Heaton started in United academy.
All three were top keepers in their own right. For Burnley I would order them Heaton, Pope and Hart a long way third (although he didnt actually do badly in his half season starting for us. Just the results weren't good!)
United were one of the best teams in Europe when Heaton came through. City were a bit crap and Hart was probably a bit lucky in terms of timing with Given coming to the end.
They were all very good at there best but I'd still have Hart third. I thought there were huge weaknesses In his game even at his peak.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 9:40 am
by MT03ALG
Longford Claret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 6:00 pm
The moral of the story is , don't believe anything told to you by a Blackburn Rovers supporter without first checking up on the facts.

I will inform my friend Mike about his mistake

Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 10:39 am
by mdd2
exilecanada wrote: ↑Wed Jul 16, 2025 10:43 pm
I was around to see Colin McDonald play, great goalie, had one flaw in his game. Once in awhile when he thought a shot was going wide he'd raise his arms and one or two would sneak in the bottom corner
Spot on and I saw one at the Turf when he did his outstretched arms at the CF end and the ball nestled in the left hand corner-cant remember the game or result. But he was a great keeper and Blacklaw wasnt fit to lace his boots when he took over, but he grew with game time.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:54 pm
by CyrilEbokiPoh
Goliath wrote: ↑Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:00 pm
United were one of the best teams in Europe when Heaton came through. City were a bit crap and Hart was probably a bit lucky in terms of timing with Given coming to the end.
They were all very good at there best but I'd still have Hart third. I thought there were huge weaknesses In his game even at his peak.
There is no way City would have kept him as long as they did. They would simply have shipped him out!
If you are saying he came in when they were crap, and then got better - surely he gets credit for that too?
As I say. He was third best for us. But overall the best of the three.
“I’ve been watching his game for a few years now, and Joe Hart is now for me one of the top three goalkeepers in the world," said the legendary Buffon, a World Cup winner with Italy in 2006 and a man with 150 appearances between the sticks for his country.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:58 pm
by Goliath
CyrilEbokiPoh wrote: ↑Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:54 pm
There is no way City would have kept him as long as they did. They would simply have shipped him out!
If you are saying he came in when they were crap, and then got better - surely he gets credit for that too?
As I say. He was third best for us. But overall the best of the three.
“I’ve been watching his game for a few years now, and Joe Hart is now for me one of the top three goalkeepers in the world," said the legendary Buffon, a World Cup winner with Italy in 2006 and a man with 150 appearances between the sticks for his country.
May as well agree to disagree. His shot stopping was outstanding and City gave away a lot of shots to save at that time so it flattered him IMO. As they got better and he had less to do it became more obvious that he wasn't cut out of be at the very top
His mentality was a problem, he was weak from crosses and his distribution was poor. Remember the first thing Pep did pretty much was to tell him he didn't have any role to play and replaced him with a pretty average keeper in Bravo.
Southgate was also really quick to leave him out and he didn't really shine anywhere after he left City.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:02 pm
by CyrilEbokiPoh
I am out
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_L ... lden_Glove
Joe Hart is the joint highest winner of the Golden Glove award with four along with Petr Cech.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:04 pm
by CyrilEbokiPoh
The bulk of them were from when 'City Were ****'.
Re: Oldest Living England International
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:04 pm
by BurnleyFC
Surely it’s Jordan Henderson.