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England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 10:43 am
by Bordeauxclaret
For the fourth time in a row India lose the toss and for the third time in four we’ve chosen to bowl first.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 10:51 am
by jdrobbo
Heard a remarkable stat on the radio…
No team has ever won the toss at Old Trafford, elected to bowl and won the test match!! (Dating back to 1884)
Looking at the weather, this looks like a three or four day match at most, so I can see the logic behind the decision to bowl first in these overcast conditions.?
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 10:57 am
by claretonthecoast1882
jdrobbo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 10:51 am
Heard a remarkable stat on the radio…
No team has ever won the toss at Old Trafford, elected to bowl and won the test match!! (Dating back to 1884)
Looking at the weather, this looks like a three or four day match at most, so I can see the logic behind the decision to bowl first in these overcast conditions.?
I was surprised to read that India have never won a Test at Old Trafford.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:05 am
by dandeclaret
India have lost 14 international coin tosses in a row..... around 16000/1 that...
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:09 am
by ClaretTony
claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 10:57 am
I was surprised to read that India have never won a Test at Old Trafford.
They’d never won one at Edgbaston either
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:17 am
by ClaretTony
Brilliant to see Clive Lloyd & Farokh Engineer ringing the bell this morning having been recognised with the naming of a stand.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:18 am
by claretonthecoast1882
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:09 am
They’d never won one at Edgbaston either
Had no idea about that either, equally as surprising.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:19 am
by ChrisG
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:17 am
Brilliant to see Clive Lloyd & Farokh Engineer ringing the bell this morning having been recognised with the naming of a stand.
Love that they have given Sir Clive the top tier presumably as a nod too his batting style
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:36 am
by ClaretTony
ChrisG wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:19 am
Love that they have given Sir Clive the top tier presumably as a nod too his batting style
Two batsman who were brilliant to watch. Despite his size now, Farokh looks good at 87.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:38 am
by ChrisG
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:36 am
Two batsman who were brilliant to watch. Despite his size now, Farokh looks good at 87.
He really does, I was surprised to learn he was that age
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:41 am
by ClaretTony
ChrisG wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:38 am
He really does, I was surprised to learn he was that age
I think he’d struggled to get up and down behind the wicket now. Those two were special signings for Lancs. What a one day team we had in the 60s/early 70s.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:45 am
by Bordeauxclaret
claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:18 am
Had no idea about that either, equally as surprising.
They’ve only won 10 tests in England in their history.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 1:32 pm
by Tricky Trevor
When Sir Clive was pro at Haslingden he was living across the road in the Woolpack and put a 6 through his own bedroom window. Urban myth or true? Over to Hassy fans.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 1:35 pm
by ClaretTony
Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 1:32 pm
When Sir Clive was pro at Haslingden he was living across the road in the Woolpack and put a 6 through his own bedroom window. Urban myth or true? Over to Hassy fans.
I posted this recently but worth a repeat. When he played for Haslingden at Burnley he hit three sixes in one Jack Schofield over that all landed on the football pitch. It wasn't as remarkable as it sounds, they were building the new stand at the time and it went straight through the building works.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 1:56 pm
by Casper2
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:36 am
Two batsman who were brilliant to watch. Despite his size now, Farokh looks good at 87.
Such a decent bloke too , remember speaking to him at various trade shows in the 90s
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 1:57 pm
by ClaretTony
Casper2 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 1:56 pm
Such a decent bloke too , remember speaking to him at various trade shows in the 90s
I spoke to him once many, many years ago at OT. Definitely came across really well.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 2:09 pm
by claretonthecoast1882
Finally a wicket
Woakes gets Rahul 94/1
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 2:52 pm
by claretonthecoast1882
The collapse is on 120/2 Dawson gets Jaiswal
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 3:28 pm
by Buxtonclaret
140/3
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 3:29 pm
by TheFamilyCat
Love that the 3rd umpire confirmed there was no bat involved there.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 4:02 pm
by Taffy on the wing
Cricket only available to watch for the past year or two here.........Old Trafford looks completely different.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 4:14 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
I really rate Dawson (both bat and ball) would love it if he has a good game here
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 5:23 pm
by Bordeauxclaret
Pant with another painful one.
Not sure why he couldn’t have limped off.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 5:31 pm
by Buxtonclaret
Hope we aren't going to regret dropping Sudharsan too much.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 5:31 pm
by DAVETHEVICAR
Wonder if Pant comes back in later with a runner whether they will try to get their better keeper to keep in both innings or whether one of the other 10 selected players will have to do the job
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 5:50 pm
by Buxtonclaret
235/4
Ben has had Sudharsan caught.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 6:12 pm
by Spijed
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 9:58 pm
by Taffy on the wing
I just have to say how impressed i am with Stokes's bowling......this and the last test are the only times i've seen him when he's properly fit......he was bowling quicker than Archer today.
What a cricketer he is!
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 10:20 pm
by fatboy47
Yep...it was an absolute shambles...utterly amateur show from LCC....and to suggest it was caused by late arrivals was simply lying.
We got there just before 10.20 and didn't get in until after 11.15.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 1:08 am
by CBT
Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 9:58 pm
I just have to say how impressed i am with Stokes's bowling......this and the last test are the only times i've seen him when he's properly fit......he was bowling quicker than Archer today.
What a cricketer he is!
He was the best bowler
And he is a superb cricketer
But if your all-rounder is consistently your best bowler then your in trouble in my eyes
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 1:15 am
by CBT
fatboy47 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 10:20 pm
Yep...it was an absolute shambles...utterly amateur show from LCC....and to suggest it was caused by late arrivals was simply lying.
We got there just before 10.20 and didn't get in until after 11.15.
Bags are the problem
Got into Victoria at 10:30ish
Tram to old Trafford for 10:55ish
Straight through via fast track(no bag search)
In seats(party stand)at 11:02ish
Left bag at home(which lccc advise)
Small brolly and sun hat in pockets
Easy
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 1:54 am
by Taffy on the wing
Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 5:31 pm
Hope we aren't going to regret dropping Sudharsan too much.
Harder to drop than catch.....poor.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 3:44 am
by claret wizard
DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑Wed Jul 23, 2025 5:31 pm
Wonder if Pant comes back in later with a runner whether they will try to get their better keeper to keep in both innings or whether one of the other 10 selected players will have to do the job
Runners not allowed anymore. He’d come to only hit boundaries.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 8:37 am
by fatboy47
CBT wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 1:15 am
Bags are the problem
Got into Victoria at 10:30ish
Tram to old Trafford for 10:55ish
Straight through via fast track(no bag search)
In seats(party stand)at 11:02ish
Left bag at home(which lccc advise)
Small brolly and sun hat in pockets
Easy
Fine if you can tolerate queuing half the day for the overpriced muck they call food in these places.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 8:57 am
by Steve-Harpers-perm
Reports saying Pant has a fractured toe and will obviously miss rest of the series.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 9:05 am
by Buxtonclaret
Yep. A bad miss.
But to be fair, that apart, he's had a decent spell behind.
He took a 'shooter' a while after really well, that kept ridiculously low.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 11:11 am
by ClaretTony
First wicket of the day, really good catch by Brook off Archer to get Jadeja.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 11:25 am
by Andreshotboots
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 11:11 am
First wicket of the day, really good catch by Brook off Archer to get Jadeja.
That's a superb catch as the cameras never do justice as to how fast that ball is actually moving..
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 11:40 am
by ClaretTony
Andreshotboots wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 11:25 am
That's a superb catch as the cameras never do justice as to how fast that ball is actually moving..
It really is - the reaction time they have in the slips is minimal. I don’t think you can ever appreciate that watching on tv.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 12:07 pm
by kentonclaret
Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 8:57 am
Reports saying Pant has a fractured toe and will obviously miss rest of the series.
Hold the back page on that
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 12:31 pm
by claretonthecoast1882
314/6 Stokes get Thakur
Out comes Pant, here comes the yorkers
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 12:46 pm
by Steve-Harpers-perm
kentonclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 12:07 pm
Hold the back page on that
Fair play to him coming out to bat!
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 12:46 pm
by martin_p
kentonclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 12:07 pm
Hold the back page on that
Looking at him out in the middle I’m pretty sure he will miss the rest of the series.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 12:49 pm
by ClaretTony
Off for rain
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 12:52 pm
by kentonclaret
martin_p wrote: ↑Thu Jul 24, 2025 12:46 pm
Looking at him out in the middle I’m pretty sure he will miss the rest of the series.
Undoubtedly that will be the case that he will not play in the 5th Test and will only play as a batter in the rest of this game.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 12:56 pm
by blatherwickstattoos
I jumped a queue but had no idea I did until I went in and saw a huge one going around the corner.
Got in well in time for the start. Slow morning session but picked up later. Great day
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 1:27 pm
by Longsider
Just listened to the second part of the orchestra tribute to the 2005 ashes victory on 5 live extra. If you have missed it it's on again tonight in full. It's brilliant. Brings back amazing memories.
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 1:56 pm
by claretonthecoast1882
Stokes with 2 in an over 337/8 Pant still there
Stokes 5/63
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 1:57 pm
by Buxtonclaret
Great bowling, Ben!
337/8
Re: England v India 4th Test
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2025 2:16 pm
by claretonthecoast1882
2nd time this innings Pants down
354/9 bowled Archer