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Injured players
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 9:39 pm
by redwasp
When did they alter the rules regarding injured players not leaving the pitch after treatment?. It was obvious nobody in the crowd knew about it yesterday.
Re: Injured players
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 9:44 pm
by claretburns
Knowing the rule I found it hilarious the absolute uproar in the 1st half when it happened with Liverpool and the chant of "Premier League corrupt as ..." and then no one caring in 2nd half when we were on the receiving end of it.
Also in the 1st half we had an offside against us but the ball also went out past the line for a goal kick but Alison quite rightly took the kick, for the offside, from the edge of the area and everyone around me in CFS with more shouting and screaming and corrupt chanting as most of them are either on their phones or gesturing to away fans or debating who in their group will go for the half time beer in the 30th minute rather than watching the actual game.
Re: Injured players
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 9:53 pm
by Burnley1989
claretburns wrote: ↑Mon Sep 15, 2025 9:44 pm
Knowing the rule I found it hilarious the absolute uproar in the 1st half when it happened with Liverpool and the chant of "Premier League corrupt as ..." and then no one caring in 2nd half when we were on the receiving end of it.
Also in the 1st half we had an offside against us but the ball also went out past the line for a goal kick but Alison quite rightly took the kick, for the offside, from the edge of the area and everyone around me in CFS with more shouting and screaming and corrupt chanting as most of them are either on their phones or gesturing to away fans or debating who in their group will go for the half time beer in the 30th minute rather than watching the actual game.
We were all laughing at half time about the lack of knowledge regarding the rules. We don't do ourselves and favours with the tag we get given by other clubs about booing and moaning.
Re: Injured players
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:20 pm
by aggi
Burnley1989 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 15, 2025 9:53 pm
We were all laughing at half time about the lack of knowledge regarding the rules. We don't do ourselves and favours with the tag we get given by other clubs about booing and moaning.
Carragher and whoever the commentator was had no idea why Anthony was allowed to stay on after Bradley's foul in the second half. Obviously it didn't really get mentioned when it went for Liverpool.
Re: Injured players
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 11:12 pm
by Holmechapel
I presume the rule is if a free kick is awarded in your favour and you need treatment then you can stay on the pitch ,how many years have the football authorities taken to realise that it makes common sense?
Re: Injured players
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 11:16 pm
by jdrobbo
The rule is, if a player is fouled and the perpetrator is carded, then treatment can take place on the pitch without the need for the fouled player to leave the pitch. If we’re all honest, this was why Kyle Walker was waving for the physios to come on. They wanted to show down the restart, knowing that Bradley had been carded.
Re: Injured players
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 11:21 pm
by summitclaret
jdrobbo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 15, 2025 11:16 pm
The rule is, if a player is fouled and the perpetrator is carded, then treatment can take place on the pitch without the need for the fouled player to leave the pitch. If we’re all honest, this was why Kyle Walker was waving for the physios to come on. They wanted to show down the restart, knowing that Bradley had been carded.
So Kyle knew the rule but our staff seemed not too?
Re: Injured players
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 11:35 pm
by Bullabill
The rule was in place when we were last in the Premier League.
Re: Injured players
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 12:02 am
by Ric_C
claretburns wrote: ↑Mon Sep 15, 2025 9:44 pm
Knowing the rule I found it hilarious the absolute uproar in the 1st half when it happened with Liverpool and the chant of "Premier League corrupt as ..." and then no one caring in 2nd half when we were on the receiving end of it.
Also in the 1st half we had an offside against us but the ball also went out past the line for a goal kick but Alison quite rightly took the kick, for the offside, from the edge of the area and everyone around me in CFS with more shouting and screaming and corrupt chanting as most of them are either on their phones or gesturing to away fans or debating who in their group will go for the half time beer in the 30th minute rather than watching the actual game.
There was no uproar when it happened to Anthony, as all the "know it alls" in the crowd had since told everyone else what the rules are
Think it's a silly rule, as every time someone gets carded after a foul, the other team will just bring the trainer on to waste time
Re: Injured players
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 12:52 am
by Claret Till I Die
jdrobbo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 15, 2025 11:16 pm
The rule is, if a player is fouled and the perpetrator is carded, then treatment can take place on the pitch without the need for the fouled player to leave the pitch. If we’re all honest, this was why Kyle Walker was waving for the physios to come on. They wanted to show down the restart, knowing that Bradley had been carded.
According to a friend who has been a linesman in the football league until recently,
"The player can only stay on if the treatment of the player is finished by the time the caution is finished.
If not they have to go off"
Re: Injured players
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 5:00 am
by Bullabill
Claret Till I Die wrote: ↑Tue Sep 16, 2025 12:52 am
According to a friend who has been a linesman in the football league until recently,
"The player can only stay on if the treatment of the player is finished by the time the caution is finished.
If not they have to go off"
It seems to me that the caution is finished when the carded player gets another card or at the end of the match.
Re: Injured players
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 5:21 am
by Claret Till I Die
Bullabill wrote: ↑Tue Sep 16, 2025 5:00 am
It seems to me that the caution is finished when the carded player gets another card or at the end of the match.
"When the ref has put his card away"
Re: Injured players
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 6:29 am
by Bacchus
Have to admit this rule caught me out too. I couldn't understand why MacAllister was allowed to stay on until a bloke near me explained it.
It's still a weird one though. Why is yellow card the threshold? If a player is fouled and injured, and the referee agrees it's a foul, why are they only allowed to be treated if it's deemed to be worthy of a yellow card? How many times do we see teams wins free kick and then the opposition are granted the luxury of having an extra player on the pitch to defend it? Madness.
Re: Injured players
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 7:07 am
by Spijed
Bacchus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 16, 2025 6:29 am
Have to admit this rule caught me out too. I couldn't understand why MacAllister was allowed to stay on until a bloke near me explained it.
It's still a weird one though. Why is yellow card the threshold? If a player is fouled and injured, and the referee agrees it's a foul, why are they only allowed to be treated if it's deemed to be worthy of a yellow card? How many times do we see teams wins free kick and then the opposition are granted the luxury of having an extra player on the pitch to defend it? Madness.
But how often are players actually injured?
It works both ways. Team under pressure, a player goes down for an "injury" only for them to "hobble" around a bit and then miraculously sprint after the ball once back on the pitch.
Why should players fake an injury and stay on the pitch when most likely aren't?
Re: Injured players
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 9:54 am
by Foshiznik
The IFAB rule was brought in at the start of the 2024/25 season and in full is:-
"Previously, an injured player who received medical attention on the field of play had to leave before the restart. This can be unfair if an opponent caused the injury as the offending team has a numerical advantage when play restarts.
However, this requirement was introduced because players often unsportingly used an injury to delay the restart for tactical reasons.
As a balance between these two unfair situations, The IFAB has decided that only for a physical offence where the opponent is cautioned or sent off, an injured player can be quickly assessed/treated and then remain on the field of play.
In principle, the delay should not be any longer than currently occurs when a medical person(s) comes onto the field to assess an injury. The difference is that the point at which the referee used to require the medical person(s) and the player to leave is the point at which the medical staff leave but the player can remain.
To ensure the injured player does not use/extend the delay unfairly, referees are advised to:
be aware of the match situation and any potential tactical reason to delay the restart
inform the injured player that if medical treatment is required it must be quick
signal for the medical person(s) (not the stretchers) and, if possible, remind them to be quick
When the referee decides play should restart, either:
the medical person(s) leaves and the player remains or
the player leaves for further assessment/treatment (stretcher signal may be necessary)
As a general guide, the restart should not be delayed for more than about 20–25 seconds beyond the point when everyone was ready for play to restart, except in the case of a serious injury and/or an assessment of a head injury.
The referee must make full allowance for the stoppage."
Re: Injured players
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 10:27 am
by Quickenthetempo
claretburns wrote: ↑Mon Sep 15, 2025 9:44 pm
Knowing the rule I found it hilarious the absolute uproar in the 1st half when it happened with Liverpool and the chant of "Premier League corrupt as ..." and then no one caring in 2nd half when we were on the receiving end of it.
Also in the 1st half we had an offside against us but the ball also went out past the line for a goal kick but Alison quite rightly took the kick, for the offside, from the edge of the area and everyone around me in CFS with more shouting and screaming and corrupt chanting as most of them are either on their phones or gesturing to away fans or debating who in their group will go for the half time beer in the 30th minute rather than watching the actual game.
It’s called home advantage, for years Turf Moor had a reputation of being a hard place to come to, because of the fans.
It's like going out for a picnic for opposition players now.
Re: Injured players
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 10:39 am
by ClaretTony
redwasp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 15, 2025 9:39 pm
When did they alter the rules regarding injured players not leaving the pitch after treatment?. It was obvious nobody in the crowd knew about it yesterday.
Been a rule for some years now. If it’s a foul and there’s a card then the injured player doesn’t need to leave the pitch after treatment.
Re: Injured players
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 10:58 am
by Rick_Muller
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Sep 16, 2025 10:39 am
Been a rule for some years now. If it’s a foul and there’s a card then the injured player doesn’t need to leave the pitch after treatment.
I learnt something today, thanks all
Re: Injured players
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 11:07 am
by claretspice
Foshiznik wrote: ↑Tue Sep 16, 2025 9:54 am
The IFAB rule was brought in at the start of the 2024/25 season and in full is:-
"Previously, an injured player who received medical attention on the field of play had to leave before the restart. This can be unfair if an opponent caused the injury as the offending team has a numerical advantage when play restarts.
However, this requirement was introduced because players often unsportingly used an injury to delay the restart for tactical reasons.
As a balance between these two unfair situations, The IFAB has decided that only for a physical offence where the opponent is cautioned or sent off, an injured player can be quickly assessed/treated and then remain on the field of play.
In principle, the delay should not be any longer than currently occurs when a medical person(s) comes onto the field to assess an injury. The difference is that the point at which the referee used to require the medical person(s) and the player to leave is the point at which the medical staff leave but the player can remain.
To ensure the injured player does not use/extend the delay unfairly, referees are advised to:
be aware of the match situation and any potential tactical reason to delay the restart
inform the injured player that if medical treatment is required it must be quick
signal for the medical person(s) (not the stretchers) and, if possible, remind them to be quick
When the referee decides play should restart, either:
the medical person(s) leaves and the player remains or
the player leaves for further assessment/treatment (stretcher signal may be necessary)
As a general guide, the restart should not be delayed for more than about 20–25 seconds beyond the point when everyone was ready for play to restart, except in the case of a serious injury and/or an assessment of a head injury.
The referee must make full allowance for the stoppage."
That all seems eminently sensible to me, and it was perfectly sensible on Sunday. The only problem with it is that it's yet another encouragement for a player to make a meal of a challenge to try and influence the referee towards a yellow card. I thought Ugochukwu's first yellow card was a bit unfortunate on Sunday given he won the ball first, came at close range and was coming in from the side rather than straight on (which is where the real risk of harm arises).
Re: Injured players
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 12:46 pm
by Darnhill Claret
I thought he was very unlucky to get a second yellow, as although it was a clear foul, there was very little physical contact, more just a question of impeding the player. Had it been given as a red, I'm sure there would have been a successful appeal.
Re: Injured players
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 12:59 pm
by martin_p
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Sep 16, 2025 10:39 am
Been a rule for some years now. If it’s a foul and there’s a card then the injured player doesn’t need to leave the pitch after treatment.
This is the first time I’ve seen it happen at the Turf which seems odd if the rule existed last season.
Re: Injured players
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 1:43 pm
by basil6345789
aggi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:20 pm
Carragher and whoever the commentator was had no idea why Anthony was allowed to stay on after Bradley's foul in the second half. Obviously it didn't really get mentioned when it went for Liverpool.
Carragher the Super Knob
Re: Injured players
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 2:13 pm
by THEWELLERNUT70
I'll hold my hands up on this and say until post match on Sunday I had no idea of the rule change which for me unusually has passed me by completely
Re: Injured players
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 3:21 pm
by Row x
martin_p wrote: ↑Tue Sep 16, 2025 12:59 pm
This is the first time I’ve seen it happen at the Turf which seems odd if the rule existed last season.
I have to be honest and say I've never noticed it at any ground
Re: Injured players
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2025 3:23 pm
by Row x
basil6345789 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 16, 2025 1:43 pm
Carragher the Super Knob
Unfortunately I've bumped into carragher a few times, and he's not the brightest.....which with his history shouldn't be a shock to anyone