Would you vote the same again?

newchurchbfc · Post by **newchurchbfc** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:31 am

If the Brexit vote was tomorrow would you still vote the same way.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:32 am

Yes I would - remain

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:32 am

Yes....remain

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:33 am

Absolutely!

Love hearing these remoaners squeal like spoilt brats

Snouts still in the trough.

Barry_Chuckle · Post by **Barry_Chuckle** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:43 am

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:44 am

Read this somewhere before the referendun and copied it.

referendum campaign, what it was reall ... potlight."

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:48 am

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:49 am

All the old arguments to one side, didn't 16 million people vote to remain? It's a pretty big elite. Liberal, capitalist or otherwise.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:55 am

I didn't vote because I wasn't sure which one to choose and if I'm honest not much has changed to sway me to either option.

The fact that the country hasn't collapsed into a bigger mess then normal is amusing though.

Yes I know it's early days and the true effects won't be known for years yet.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:00 pm

Dazzler - interesting article especially when viewed with hindsight. £ has dropped 15%, share price of firms that mainly trade in UK falling, manufacturing companies increasing their prices to cover increased costs, no sign of any increase in spending, increase in racial hate crime, no coherent plan how to negotiate brexit, interest rates remains crushingly low.

There may be a gap between the haves and have nots but how does leaving the EU change that??

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:08 pm

Brexit will cause higher inflation a fall in house prices and a fall in the value of the pound.
Mervyn King says he cannot understand all the fuss as that ws what he was wanting to achieve all the time he was Gov of Bank of England

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:10 pm

Yes. Out 100 per cent

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:15 pm

Pretty sure if you make cars in Nissan in Sunderland, you are not part of the Liberal Elite.

Fact is, the one thing about this referendum is that you could just about make a case for the older you are, the more likely you are to vote Leave, but thats about it.

Even though I voted remain, the only way that you could really have another referendum is if the country really wanted it, and for that to happen, a political party would have to be voted in with it on its manifesto.

What might change all this of course if a bad result for the Cons in the Witney by-election.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:33 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Pretty sure if you make cars in Nissan in Sunderland, you are not part of the Liberal Elite.

Fact is, the one thing about this referendum is that you could just about make a case for the older you are, the more likely you are to vote Leave, but thats about it.

Not sure about the old benefiting. If things don't go well with the economy over a period of years, the "triple lock" on pensions could be under threat, and if prices and inflation start to spiral then they will be significantly worse off.
Fuel and food are probably the 2 most important issues for older people, and these are the 2 things likely to be most hit by the rising cost of imports.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:40 pm

Yeah, and most voted to leave.

Weird isn't it?

At least they can burn their blue passports to keep warm at least

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:43 pm

I love paying more for my diesel and food, and paying more to go on a weeks holiday to Spain. What's not to like?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:49 pm

Diesel and food costs have been rising steadily for years anyway.

I remember fuel in the 90's was about half the cost it is now and I could also spend a quid in the shop and have a mars bar, can of coke and crisps with change.

Brexit can't be blamed for those things rising.

Jambo · Post by **Jambo** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:56 pm

"The fact that the country hasn't collapsed into a bigger mess then normal is amusing though."

Brexit hasn't even happened yet and the pound has collapsed.

Were you expecting the apocalypse? Zombies?

Yes - I'd vote the same way. The clear fact there was and still is no sensible plan for Brexit remains a good enough reason to remain.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:00 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Pretty sure if you make cars in Nissan in Sunderland, you are not part of the Liberal Elite.

Fact is, the one thing about this referendum is that you could just about make a case for the older you are, the more likely you are to vote Leave, but thats about it.

Even though I voted remain, the only way that you could really have another referendum is if the country really wanted it, and for that to happen, a political party would have to be voted in with it on its manifesto.

What might change all this of course if a bad result for the Cons in the Witney by-election.

Sunderland voted out.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:01 pm

Was out, still out.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:02 pm

I'd definitely vote leave, again.

Nothing has changed, the reasons for dumping the EU are still there. The media, who always have their own agenda, might be highlighting the negatives, but there are still many positives in there as well. It neglects to report on the state of the EU without us. If it was better for them they should be rubbing their hands, instead the accentuate the negatives and bury the positives.

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:05 pm

Dazzler wrote:The divide over the EU is one between a political elite that wants to do politics far from the crowd, and a crowd that would rather politics was done out in the open. Simple. How brilliant that this deep, homegrown split over democracy itself is now in the spotlight."[/url]

48% of the vote didn't come from the political elite. Nonsense article.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:06 pm

I know

I was using the example of an industry that relies on the EU that clearly wasn't part of the Liberal elite to pour scorn on anyone who seriously believes that only the Liberal elite wanted to stay.

You are right though, I should really have used a better example from a leave point of view.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:07 pm

Jambo wrote: Yes - I'd vote the same way. The clear fact there was and still is no sensible plan for Brexit remains a good enough reason to remain.

Most Politicians overlooked the fact that some of us still have a backbone and want our country back.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:10 pm

Yeah I'd vote leave again.

It's all guesswork anyway. No one really knows how it will be, but we know what we've had, and what our country looks like because of being in. Can out really be that much worse??? I wanna have a look and see if we really can go it alone and look after ourselves first.

I'd also like us to bin the foreign aid budget, but that's another story...

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:11 pm

lucs86 wrote:48% of the vote didn't come from the political elite. Nonsense article.

The quote was referring to politicians in the main not just the General Public.
Read it again.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:16 pm

Dazzler wrote:Most Politicians overlooked the fact that some of us still have a backbone and want our country back.

What does that actually mean?

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:18 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Fact is, the one thing about this referendum is that you could just about make a case for the older you are, the more likely you are to vote Leave, but thats about it.

That's true. The over 60's are the young people who voted in the EEC referendum in 1974, and voted staggeringly in favour. Forty years on, they've changed their mind. Is it just because they're older, or is it because they've seen what the last 40 years have brought and haven't liked it?

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:21 pm

bobinho wrote:Yeah I'd vote leave again.

It's all guesswork anyway. No one really knows how it will be, but we know what we've had, and what our country looks like because of being in. Can out really be that much worse??? I wanna have a look and see if we really can go it alone and look after ourselves first.

I'd also like us to bin the foreign aid budget, but that's another story...

Erm, this isn't like taking a sabbatical, where we can have a few years on our own as a trial. Once we're out, we're out. There's no way we'll be re-joining in the future.

As for it all being guesswork, that's nonsense. A lot people (those experts who people have had enough of) warned that leaving the EU would be chaotic, and leaving the single market in the form of a hard Brexit will be hugely damaging to our own economy. Just look at what's happened before A50 has even been triggered. The pound is the weakest its been for over 150 years. That is not scaremongering, or project fear, it's project reality.

I'd vote to Remain again because there's no way I could willingly vote for this level of lunacy.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:23 pm

Who wrote that article? Sounds like the kind of crap Richard Littlejohn would come out with. The inference that pro-EU politicians are all part of a sneering elite while the likes of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Ian Duncan Smith, Liam Fox, Nigel Farage etc. were all campaigning on behalf of the regular, working man is nearly as ridiculous as the idea that the NHS is suddenly going to be £350m per week better off.

For what it's worth, I'd obviously still vote to remain. I imagine most people have debated themselves into such an entrenched position that they wouldn't admit to a change of heart even if they'd had one, but given the make-up of the government as a direct result of Brexit (Johnson as Foreign Secretary, FFS) and the tanking currency I'd imagine that any movement in sentiment that does exist would be in the general direction of remaining rather than leaving.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:23 pm

Jambo wrote:"The fact that the country hasn't collapsed into a bigger mess then normal is amusing though."

Brexit hasn't even happened yet and the pound has collapsed.

Were you expecting the apocalypse? Zombies?

Yes - I'd vote the same way. The clear fact there was and still is no sensible plan for Brexit remains a good enough reason to remain.

The £ de-values every so often anyway, so it's not a major surprise it's happened again, even if it is a little worse then usual.

As for the apocalypse/Zombies, that's a little silly, but the Remain camp tried to make out the worst would happen in other ways.

How do you know there's no plan for Brexit when negotiations haven't started yet?
They're keeping all current EU legislation/Laws that are currently in use in the UK, in the short term, so they can then properly pick through them and amend/get rid of them accordingly without rushing and making too many errors ( I do expect some mistakes tbh).

Labour are busy trying to nail the Tories to the mast already, whilst conveniently forgetting/ignoring that plenty of their voters and MP's also voted to leave.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:25 pm

With news now of a shortage of Marmite and Pot Noodles due to brexit I sense the moaning is about to get even louder.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:27 pm

Sidney1st wrote:The £ de-values every so often anyway, so it's not a major surprise it's happened again, even if it is a little worse then usual.

That's like saying cars crash into walls every so often anyway, so I decided to drive into a wall on my way to work.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:29 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:The pound is the weakest its been for over 150 years. That is not scaremongering, or project fear, it's project reality.

Bear in mind that when the referendum campaign started, the pound was at its weakest for all but two of the the last 150 years. If you're upset you used to get $5 and CHF 12 for your pound, get over it; Brexit isn't entirely responsible for the difference.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:29 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:That's like saying cars crash into walls every so often anyway, so I decided to drive into a wall on my way to work.

Not really.

The pound bounces around almost daily, it's just currently very low, mainly due to uncertainty around Brexit, but only because it's the unknown.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:32 pm

I'd vote the same way. Remain.

There wasn't a plan to leave the EU then and there isn't now.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:38 pm

One reason why it might be a rocky road is that remoaners will still be bleating about it in years to come instead of just getting on with it.

Some will try their damned hardest for it not to work just so they can say "Told you so"
As opposed to knuckling down and sorting things out such as trade deals with the rest of the world.

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:39 pm

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:I'd vote the same way. Remain.

There wasn't plan to leave the EU then and there isn't now.

This.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:39 pm

Living in Spain, I didn't vote at the referendum because I didn't think it fair for me to do so. Had I been in England I would have voted to leave. Even though the fall in the pound affects me dramatically living here, were there to be a second referendum, I think I would use my vote this time and still vote to leave.
Regarding Marmite etc, this is an excellent example of the market economy at work. Did Unilever decrease their selling price to the supermarkets when the pound was strong to help the consumers, did they f.ck? Take all their products of the shelves and let the consumers choose other products: Unilever would soon change their policies instead of hiding behind Brexit to screw up prices and profits.

tjgh25 · Post by **tjgh25** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:40 pm

Voted remain would again.

Despite being very upset at the result people need to get over it and accept the new political reality whatever it may be. Got fed up pretty quickly with moaners. We lost, deal with!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:40 pm

Dazzler wrote:One reason why it might be a rocky road is that remoaners will still be bleating about it in years to come instead of just getting on with it.

Some will try their damned hardest for it not to work just so they can say "Told you so"
As opposed to knuckling down and sorting things out such as trade deals with the rest of the world.

Bit like opposing parties then in Parliment...

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:41 pm

Dazzler wrote:One reason why it might be a rocky road is that remoaners will still be bleating about it in years to come instead of just getting on with it.

Some will try their damned hardest for it not to work just so they can say "Told you so"
As opposed to knuckling down and sorting things out such as trade deals with the rest of the world.

I'm liking this term "remoaners" - probably in the top 3 cleverest things I've seen this year, just behind "remaniacs".

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:45 pm

Yep Leave all the way for me.

The less politicians involved with decisions for our country the better.

BertiesBeehole · Post by **BertiesBeehole** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:45 pm

Yes, leave then and leave now.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:45 pm

As opposed to knuckling down and sorting things out such as trade deals with the rest of the world.

Great, I'm on the phone to China right now.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:49 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Yep Leave all the way for me.

The less politicians involved with decisions for our country the better.

Exactly! Not the faceless greedy europrat pigs in Brussels.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:50 pm

You're not going to get many people on this thread who will say they've changed their mind, because the people who post on this sort of threads are the ones with very definite views. The 'floating voters' are the ones who might change, and most of them will have stopped reading by now.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:53 pm

Dazzler wrote:One reason why it might be a rocky road is that remoaners will still be bleating about it in years to come instead of just getting on with it.

Some will try their damned hardest for it not to work just so they can say "Told you so"
As opposed to knuckling down and sorting things out such as trade deals with the rest of the world.

Right, then good rallying call. I'll just get on the blower to China and sort out a trade deal. Actually, no - the job of sorting all that stuff out has already been allocated to the Three Brexiteers - Boris Johnson, David Davis and Liam Fox (and presumably his chum Adam Werrity will go along for the ride.) I feel much more confident knowing that it's all in the capable hand of three people that have blatantly only been put in that position as a political move by May who knows it's a disaster waiting to happen and wants to distance herself (and anyone remotely competent that she might actually want in her future government) from it as far as possible.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:56 pm

Yup - I'd still vote leave.

The part of me that was willing to remain left the night before the referendum with Juncker's 'no more negotiations / deals for the UK' speech. I'm still not prepared to give up my democratic rights to a protection racket, particularly one so eager to make financially poor decisions just to 'punish' us for leaving.

Lets see how long Hollande is 'punishing' us when he's laying his public off from Renault, Peugeot and Citroen due to an inability to sell to the UK.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:56 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Yep Leave all the way for me.

The less politicians involved with decisions for our country the better.

Are you up to speed with recent events?
As things stand it's going to all be down to a small elite group of politicians and advisers to cobble together a deal and implement it. No power given to the 2 chambers in Parliament to scrutinise and if needs be reject it, and no opportunity for the people to have any say whatsoever. That's what you want is it?
Fortunately I think there are enough Tories in Parliament who respect our Parliamentary democracy, and I think they will ultimately hold Mrs May and her front bench to account.