Covid-19

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

Fact. Case numbers are falling and you only have to look at today's stats to see it.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Just scroll down.

And look at the last figure on each line and the totals at the bottom. Only 14 people in every million worldwide infected at any stage. That's a REALLY scary number, isn't it?

What do I care? I'm in the "if I get it, I get it" camp.
I'm laughing at you, self-importantly quoting facts and figures about the whole thing as though you know anything at all about the spread or otherwise of viruses

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

I'm slightly concerned about it because my young nephew has type 1 diabetes and lives in a country where the health service is very poor, England.
Apart from that, there's not much point worrying about it. If it gets me and kills me then fair play, something will one day.

[Gordaleman]

What do I care? I'm in the "if I get it, I get it" camp.
I'm laughing at you, self-importantly quoting facts and figures about the whole thing as though you know anything at all about the spread or otherwise of viruses

I really couldn't care less whether you are laghing or not. I just gave you facts that you asked for, and now, because they don't fit your fear scenario, you have nothing to say except to ridicule people. How do you think other people on this thread get their information? I'll tell you. The same way as me.

Your credibility is well and truly shot.

Here's another FACT from those same figures. The UK has 4.1 infections, including those no longer infected for every million people. Do you realise just how many people a million is? It's like filling Turf Moor fifty times and four of those people have had or got the virus.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

I really couldn't care less whether you are laghing or not. I just gave you facts that you asked for, and now, because they don't fit your fear scenario, you have nothing to say except to ridicule people. How do you think other people on this thread get their information? I'll tell you. The same way as me.

Your credibility is well and truly shot.

Here's another FACT from those same figures. The UK has 4.1 infections, including those no longer infected for every million people. Do you realise just how many people a million is? It's like filling Turf Moor fifty times and four of those people have had or got the virus.

I haven't asked for any facts from you, you are confusing me with someone else.
Before you bang on about how clever you are you might want to check you are even speaking to the right person

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

because they don't fit your fear scenario

My what now?

Again...

if it gets me it gets me, I DON'T CARE.

[Gordaleman]

I haven't asked for any facts from you, you are confusing me with someone else.
Before you bang on about how clever you are you might want to check you are even speaking to the right person

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:19 pm
Want to back that up with one of your "facts" then?

At no stage have I claimed to be clever either.

[Grumps]

Not only is it easy to search google it's the starting point for everything posted on this thread by you and everybody else.

Never searched Google once before posting on here ,thank you very much

[Grumps]

I'm slightly concerned about it because my young nephew has type 1 diabetes and lives in a country where the health service is very poor, England.
Apart from that, there's not much point worrying about it. If it gets me and kills me then fair play, something will one day.

That's got me not bothering with anything you ever say again when you say the health service in England is poor.

[paulatky]

That's got me not bothering with anything you ever say again when you say the health service in England is poor.

In terms of intensive care bed we have one of the lowest percentages re population in Europe

[paulatky]

Fact. Case numbers are falling and you only have to look at today's stats to see it.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Just scroll down.

And look at the last figure on each line and the totals at the bottom. Only 14 people in every million worldwide infected at any stage. That's a REALLY scary number, isn't it?

I am glad you are using that site, I think I was the one that first posted it.

Some countries including UK have not been updated for today yet

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

Never searched Google once before posting on here ,thank you very much

That explains it.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

In terms of intensive care bed we have one of the lowest percentages re population in Europe

Don't bother, he won't even google it.

[Lowbankclaret]

Why isnt Germany being compared to Italy?

Far more cases than us yet no fatalities as yet.

From what I have read and I don’t claim this to be factual, just general stuff I have read.

I think I read Germany has its first case about 6 days ago.

From what I have read, the average time from infection to symptoms is 5 days but can be less and up to 20.

Then it appears to be several more days before people become severe and need hospital treatment.

Then more days before they pass away.

So Germany could still be a week away from people starting to die.

Like I say it’s general info from what I read but times can vary a lot.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

How do you think other people on this thread get their information? I'll tell you. The same way as me.

How? You didn't actually tell me, you just said "the same way as me".

Carrier pigeon? Telegram?

It's google isn't it?

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

I am glad you are using that site, I think I was the one that first posted it.

Some countries including UK have not been updated for today yet

Oh no, don't tell that to Gordalemon, he'll never be able to claim his internationally recognised "fact-finding Burnley Pensioner who can google stuff to back up what he says on message boards" Award

[Gordaleman]

This afternoons news conference with the PM was interesting. Once again the PM himself just waffled but the Chief Medical Officer and the Chief Scientific Adviser provided a bit more insight.

It seems that we are likely to get an acceleration in the number of cases in the next few days and that is to be expected but no indicative figures were given. However, it's likely to be a fairly sharp rise and that's not surprising.

There will be another COBRA meeting on Wednesday and we are then likely to move to the next stage of preparedness.

Questions were asked about why flights from Italy are still not being checked and the answer was because they are pretty ineffective. In other words, people who have the virus but have no symptoms or raised temperature would get through anyway.

I was pleased that the idea of playing sporting events behind closed doors was also ruled out as ineffective as well, at least for now.

[Grumps]

This afternoons news conference with the PM was interesting. Once again the PM himself just waffled but the Chief Medical Officer and the Chief Scientific Adviser provided a bit more insight.

It seems that we are likely to get an acceleration in the number of cases in the next few days and that is to be expected but no indicative figures were given. However, it's likely to be a fairly sharp rise and that's not surprising.

There will be another COBRA meeting on Wednesday and we are then likely to move to the next stage of preparedness.

Questions were asked about why flights from Italy are still not being checked and the answer was because they are pretty ineffective. In other words, people who have the virus but have no symptoms or raised temperature would get through anyway.

I was pleased that the idea of playing sporting events behind closed doors was also ruled out as ineffective as well, at least for now.

The medical officer also said 9000 people a year die from flu.....I think this thread should be shut down till this virus kills, say, half that amount, then there might be something worth talking about. I know that wouldn't suit the scaremongers on here ,but iam sure they could Google something else to get in a froth about.

[Lowbankclaret]

The medical officer also said 9000 people a year die from flu.....I think this thread should be shut down till this virus kills, say, half that amount, then there might be something worth talking about. I know that wouldn't suit the scaremongers on here ,but iam sure they could Google something else to get in a froth about.

I see what your doing here, us old farts with underlying conditions will have turned our toes up and you would have no one to argue with.

[Zlatan]

I have news. Although the official figure for my local area is 0 cases, I have since been told by someone in the Hospital that they have 6 cases in ICU awaiting confirmation of Covid 19.

But the thing is, it is expected and I’ll maintain that this is not Armageddon...

[Gordaleman]

The medical officer also said 9000 people a year die from flu.....I think this thread should be shut down till this virus kills, say, half that amount, then there might be something worth talking about. I know that wouldn't suit the scaremongers on here ,but iam sure they could Google something else to get in a froth about.

I was scared of even mentioning the Flu figures mate. Chances are that hundreds of the people so far tested for Covid 19 have actually just got a bit of a cold (The real wimps) or maybe Flu. Very, very few would have tested positive for Covid 19.

We really should know better though, with Flu, it doesn't matter how many die, it's still not as dangerous as as Covid 19 according to some on here.

It makes me wonder what would happen if the government came out and said there is a bad case of Flu going around and it's already killed 9,000. There would be panic.

[thatdberight]

The medical officer also said 9000 people a year die from flu.....I think this thread should be shut down till this virus kills, say, half that amount, then there might be something worth talking about. I know that wouldn't suit the scaremongers on here ,but iam sure they could Google something else to get in a froth about.

I agree. And then next flu season, we shouldn't start vaccinations until half the usual death toll have died so we know it's serious.

[Gordaleman]

I have news. Although the official figure for my local area is 0 cases, I have since been told by someone in the Hospital that they have 6 cases in ICU awaiting confirmation of Covid 19.

But the thing is, it is expected and I’ll maintain that this is not Armageddon...

They probably have Flu. There's more of that about at the moment.

[Darnhill Claret]

Death number 5 just announced.

[thatdberight]

It's too complicated for some people to understand but this is a good summary of why comparisons with the flu are nonsensical.

"... (The virus causing CoVid-19)... causes more severe illness than flu, there are not yet any vaccines or therapeutics, and it can be contained — which is why we must do everything we can to contain it.”

So it's more dangerous in some ways and more containable in others. A little complex for some even in that truncated message.

[AlargeClaret]

Seems only people dying are the ones with at least a foot in the grave already , if the end result is a few hundred old codgers clogging up the NHS biting the dust it’s not all doom and gloom .

[Gordaleman]

Death number 5 just announced.

See above. When it gets to 9,000, it will be on a par with the average yearly death toll from Flu.

[Darnhill Claret]

Yeh I know, but they reckon 10 times more likely to kill than flu. The similarity to flu, as I understand, is that it attacks the respiratory system.

[Gordaleman]

It's too complicated for some people to understand but this is a good summary of why comparisons with the flu are nonsensical.

"... (The virus causing CoVid-19)... causes more severe illness than flu, there are not yet any vaccines or therapeutics, and it can be contained — which is why we must do everything we can to contain it.”

So it's more dangerous in some ways and more containable in others. A little complex for some even in that truncated message.

Strange then that one of the experts you trust so much, Britain's Chief Medical Officer, just directly compared it to Flu and gave the 9,000 Flu deaths annual figure. I suppose he was talking nonsense then?

[thatdberight]

Strange then that one of the experts you trust so much, Britain's Chief Medical Officer, just directly compared it to Flu and gave the 9,000 Flu deaths annual figure. I suppose he was talking nonsense then?

If you can find a quote, I'd be interested to read it to understand what he said.

[thatdberight]

Yeh I know, but they reckon 10 times more likely to kill than flu. The similarity to flu, as I understand, is that it attacks the respiratory system.

But can't you see we should only act after its killed lots of people. So we can prove it's dangerous.

[Gordaleman]

Yeh I know, but they reckon 10 times more likely to kill than flu. The similarity to flu, as I understand, is that it attacks the respiratory system.

Strange then, that even though this virus has been going around the world for three months now, there are still less than 4,000 deaths worldwide, yet Flu kills 9,000 a year on average, just in the UK.

[Gordaleman]

If you can find a quote, I'd be interested to read it to understand what he said.

It was a TV broadcast with the PM. Try watching the news, or ask Grumps who has just said the same thing.

[paulatky]

Strange then, that even though this virus has been going around the world for three months now, there are still less than 4,000 deaths worldwide, yet Flu kills 9,000 a year on average, just in the UK.

Its very early days yet.
No of cases and number if deaths have doubled every fortnight for 8 weeks. Expand that for another 32 weeks and see what numbers you get.

[CombatClaret]

Might solve the housing & pension crisis.

[tim_noone]

Might solve the housing & pension crisis.

Might reduce the price of Hotels In London for my away days.....greedy B astaads.

[Grumps]

It's too complicated for some people to understand but this is a good summary of why comparisons with the flu are nonsensical.

"... (The virus causing CoVid-19)... causes more severe illness than flu, there are not yet any vaccines or therapeutics, and it can be contained — which is why we must do everything we can to contain it.”

So it's more dangerous in some ways and more containable in others. A little complex for some even in that truncated message.

It's the chief medical officer making the comparison, is that too complicated for you

[Fenwick]

Might solve the housing & pension crisis.

I must admit the same thing had crossed my mind. It's an ill wind ...

[Darnhill Claret]

Gordaleman, the number of deaths of flu and corona virus can’t be compared, unless the exact same number of people had both viruses. But the percentage of deaths to flu is approx 0.01. The % of deaths to corona is 0.1 approx. Hope you can understand how that compares, irrespective of the number of deaths attributed to either.

[Gordaleman]

Its very early days yet.
No of cases and number if deaths have doubled every fortnight for 8 weeks. Expand that for another 32 weeks and see what numbers you get.

Your'e so wrong. Worldwide cases are actually going down fast. China had 80,000 cases it now has less than 20,000 active cases.

[thatdberight]

It's the chief medical officer making the comparison, is that too complicated for you

I'll try and catch it tonight and be very happy if he advises that this virus has no more potential to cause harm than a seasonal flu.

[thatdberight]

Gordaleman, the number of deaths of flu and corona virus can’t be compared, unless the exact same number of people had both viruses. But the percentage of deaths to flu is approx 0.01. The % of deaths to corona is 0.1 approx. Hope you can understand how that compares, irrespective of the number of deaths attributed to either.

You've understated the corinavirus' mortality rate significantly. 1% seems like a reasonable stab although some estimates are high by one or two points. During the initial phases of an outbreak, the scientists seem to agree it's very hard to tell.

[Zlatan]

They probably have Flu. There's more of that about at the moment.

Yes, they may have flu, but the senior consultant I spoke to was treating them as if it was Covid 19

[Erasmus]

If the projection is of cases doubling each fortnight that would mean that by early June that would be 12,000 cases with a lot of those having recovered or perhaps died, which would mean perhaps 4,000 active cases. That's a complete guess but if this is anything like correct, then it doesn't get really serious until the end of the summer. Just gives it a bit of context.

I also just saw on BBC news that there is a view that the difference between mild and serious cases may well be due to the virus interacting or stimulating bacteria already present in the body. This has been my experience with pneumonia, which started with a virus on both occasions when I had it and then became bacterial.

Going back to the question of why people in Italy are dying in quite considerable numbers whilst those in Germany and Scandinavia are not, it could be simply due to the fact that the virus hit Italy a couple of weeks earlier, but if that is not the reason then it could be due to Italians having more bacterial pathogens existing within them. Just a couple of thoughts, not assertions that would show that I am thick.

[thatdberight]

Your'e so wrong. Worldwide cases are actually going down fast. China had 80,000 cases it now has less than 20,000 active cases.

Active cases up 13% since a trough a few days ago.
China active cases peaked at 55-60k.

[thatdberight]

If the projection is of cases doubling each fortnight that would mean that by early June that would be 12,000 cases with a lot of those having recovered or perhaps died, which would mean perhaps 4,000 active cases. That's a complete guess but if this is anything like correct, then it doesn't get really serious until the end of the summer. Just gives it a bit of context.

I also just saw on BBC news that there is a view that the difference between mild and serious cases may well be due to the virus interacting or stimulating bacteria already present in the body. This has been my experience with pneumonia, which started with a virus on both occasions when I had it and then became bacterial.

Going back to the question of why people in Italy are dying in quite considerable numbers whilst those in Germany and Scandinavia are not, it could be simply due to the fact that the virus hit Italy a couple of weeks earlier, but if that is not the reason then it could be due to Italians having more bacterial pathogens existing within them. Just a couple of thoughts, not assertions that would show that I am thick.

Truth is that nobody seems to know about the rate of increase if left unchecked. Is China the model where growth was slower? Or Italy where a fortnight didn't see a doubling but a few hundred became nearly 8,000. Or France which is quite like Italy. And of course different phases are being managed differently.

[Lowbankclaret]

Your'e so wrong. Worldwide cases are actually going down fast. China had 80,000 cases it now has less than 20,000 active cases.

Interesting how this graph does not quite agree with you.

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[bfcjg]

The graph says outside China though the point made was declining cases inside China.

[Claret32yrs]

Am I the only one who just wishes people would stop 'panic buying'? It kinda defeats the object. Moderation. Plus it makes the queues a lot less. Saturday was a nightmare!

[thatdberight]

Am I the only one who just wishes people would stop 'panic buying'? It kinda defeats the object. Moderation. Plus it makes the queues a lot less. Saturday was a nightmare!

Agreed. I found it hard enough carrying four X 24 packs of bog roll, four score bottles of hand sanitizer and half a hundredweight of pasta without having to wait in a queue behind panic buyers.

[Claret32yrs]

Agreed. I found it hard enough carrying four X 24 packs of bog roll

Probably 23 rolls of bog roll by the time you got out.