Covid-19

[paulatky]

You’re going to make yourself ill worrying at the extremities of the estimations, probably cause yourself more damage than this virus ever will, please consider taking a step back eh

Hope for the best but plan for the worse.

Thats surely the best action to take.

[Bordeauxclaret]

I wonder at what point a water shortage will be announced with all these taps running for 20 seconds.

[RingoMcCartney]

It's on my foe list, and you've made me read it's post...

I made the suggestion that the border posts that have been left to fall into disrepair thanks to EU rules on freedom of movement could have been utilised in helping to slow the spread of the virus and in quarantining.

You wanted me banned as you thought this was "racist" just like several posters who piled in on Lowbank Clarets imbecilic comments.

My suggestion has now become a policy adopted by the following countries-

Since then,
Czech Republic,
Norway,
Poland,
Denmark,
Austria,
Turkey,
Pakistan.
Vietnam,
Lebanon,
Israel, and a small number of Pacific Islands,
plus New Zealand who its said has the toughest border restrictions in the world. And today, Germany. Have all effectively closed their borders.

My suggestion that border controls could help has been vindicated and adopted by countries, not just in europe but globally. My suggestion, was simply a prediction of what would happen.

I'm more than happy to be on your "foe list" more than happy. It saves me having to respond to logic lacking, irrational , unthinking comments.

[FactualFrank]

UK coronavirus crisis 'to last until spring 2021 and could see 7.9m hospitalised'

The coronavirus epidemic in the UK will last until next spring and could lead to 7.9 million people being hospitalised, a secret Public Health England (PHE) briefing for senior NHS officials reveals.

The document, seen by the Guardian, is the first time health chiefs tackling the virus have admitted that they expect it to circulate for another 12 months and lead to huge extra strain on an already overstretched NHS.

It also suggests that health chiefs are braced for as many as 80% of Britons becoming infected with the coronavirus over that time.

Prof Chris Whitty, the government’s chief medical adviser, has previously described that figure as the worst-case scenario and suggested that the real number would turn out to be less than that. However, the briefing makes clear that four in five of the population “are expected” to contract the virus.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... spitalised

[ClaretAndJew]

I made the suggestion that the border posts that have been left to fall into disrepair thanks to EU rules on freedom of movement could have been utilised in helping to slow the spread of the virus and in quarantining.

You wanted me banned as you thought this was "racist" just like several posters who piled in on Lowbank Clarets imbecilic comments.

My suggestion has now become a policy adopted by the following countries-

Since then,
Czech Republic,
Norway,
Poland,
Denmark,
Austria,
Turkey,
Pakistan.
Vietnam,
Lebanon,
Israel, and a small number of Pacific Islands,
plus New Zealand who its said has the toughest border restrictions in the world. And today, Germany. Have all effectively closed their borders.

My suggestion that border controls could help has been vindicated and adopted by countries, not just in europe but globally. My suggestion, was simply a prediction of what would happen.

I'm more than happy to be on your "foe list" more than happy. It saves me having to respond to logic lacking, irrational , unthinking comments.

There's nothing racist about trying to quell the spread of a disease by border control.

People are perhaps looking at the poster rather than the post.

[Jakubclaret]

Right, but it's not about me or you or people that can get it and recover, it's about giving it to people who are at risk. This virus is infectious without being symptomatic, that's the scary thing. Just spreading it around without even knowing it.

I'm convinced things will close down soon in the UK. We are marginally behind Italy and look at them. We'll do similar when enough pressure is put on the government.

You will only spread the virus with contact & exposure, it's absolutely impossible for the virus to be spread if you become a recluse & ramp up the hygiene, it's extremely unlikely you will encounter any problems, the virus can only do what we allow it to do, we are in charge well we should be not the virus.

[Zlatan]

I'm not directing this at any forum users in particular, but I am sure I'll offend someone. I saw the following on Twitter and I was going to save it as an insult, but there are too many candidates for it at the moment...

"I see that someone snuck into the genepool when the lifeguards weren't looking"

...and there it is...

[paulatky]

I very rarely post these days but follow a number of topics.

I have found you Jackupclaret and paulatky to have called things just about right from day 1

Lowbank has also been a good source of information,

What has been noticeable is how sentiment has changed very quickly from “its only flu” to this is a serious issue for the whole of humanity.

Thank you UTC.

I have only ever applied my own logic to the known facts and come to a realistic conclusion.

Unfortunately its turning out far worse than even I thought it would be.

This morning’s falls on FTSE just one example of that.

In all honesty I just cant imagine what the world will be like in 12 months time.

Mass unemployment looms and really dark times lie ahead.

[thatdberight]

UK coronavirus crisis 'to last until spring 2021 and could see 7.9m hospitalised'

The coronavirus epidemic in the UK will last until next spring and could lead to 7.9 million people being hospitalised, a secret Public Health England (PHE) briefing for senior NHS officials reveals.

The document, seen by the Guardian, is the first time health chiefs tackling the virus have admitted that they expect it to circulate for another 12 months and lead to huge extra strain on an already overstretched NHS.

It also suggests that health chiefs are braced for as many as 80% of Britons becoming infected with the coronavirus over that time.

Prof Chris Whitty, the government’s chief medical adviser, has previously described that figure as the worst-case scenario and suggested that the real number would turn out to be less than that. However, the briefing makes clear that four in five of the population “are expected” to contract the virus.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... spitalised

Thanks for the detail. As we've already seen, that's an outright lie by a desperate newspaper.

The document (which they quote) says "as many as 80%". To try and claim this is new or contradictory to a "worst case" of 80% which we've already been told just shows the writers for what they are.

[Lowbankclaret]

I initially quoted South Korea as an example where the data is likely to be more accurate because they’re testing more, which they are (And the fatality rate is still massively lower there And it’s measurably lower because of the data they have). Their only advantage over us and our approach is evidencing that the approach is the right way. I strongly suspect that our government have decided that we don’t need to actually waste time testing to satisfy stats, it is a waste of valuable resource, so don’t do it.

Interestingly, Scotland has ignored the UK government advice and are continuing to test all people showing symptoms.

Their reason, they want to know where they are on the curve and what’s going to be coming their way.
So even in our own United countries, they don’t agree with the English strategy.

[dsr]

Well, exactly. There's nothing to compare it to. That's what we're supposed to do. Just keep our heads up and wash our hands and watch our loved ones "die before their time".

It's interesting to see the levels other countries have gone to, whilst we sit here doing nothing.

There's no single, correct way to do things, of that I'm sure, but, to do absolutely nothing is just as insane.

Do you think that locking everyone away is the right thing to do, even if it leads to no improvement at all in public health, just because it's doing something? Sean Dyche said that sometimes the hardest thing to do is to do nothing. Just after we started a 7 match unbeaten run. There is no benefit to anyone if the politicians compete to heap misery on the people if it won't do any good.

[thatdberight]

Thank you UTC.

I have only ever applied my own logic to the known facts and come to a realistic conclusion.

Unfortunately its turning out far worse than even I thought it would be.

This morning’s falls on FTSE just one example of that.

In all honesty I just cant imagine what the world will be like in 12 months time.

Mass unemployment looms and really dark times lie ahead.

If that's the case, presumably you reckon we should have no restrictions. The thing runs through us, a million people have not great ends to their lives (most of whom will have been lucky enough to have lived long lives of material wealth, health, opportunity and peace unknown to 99% of all people ever) and we just get on with it.

If you've got such a bad feeling about the future after we take evasive action, surely that's the rational response?

[ClaretAndJew]

Do you think that locking everyone away is the right thing to do, even if it leads to no improvement at all in public health, just because it's doing something? Sean Dyche said that sometimes the hardest thing to do is to do nothing. Just after we started a 7 match unbeaten run. There is no benefit to anyone if the politicians compete to heap misery on the people if it won't do any good.

There's no single thing that I think is correct. I just think inaction is worse.

It speaks volumes that other countries are doing things we are not. That's where it doesn't sit right with me.

[RingoMcCartney]

There's nothing racist about trying to quell the spread of a disease by border control.

People are perhaps looking at the poster rather than the post.

Unthinking people are more than happy to brandish the "racist" label. By doing so, it devalues and desentisises the term , when , real racism rears its ugly head.
If you feel anything I've ever said on this messageboard falls into that category, repost it, inform the moderators and report it as a hate crime to the police.

I'm glad you agree with my suggestion. Which has proven to be a prediction as to what many many nations have now adopted as official policy.

The situation is far far far more serious than a handful of idiots wanting to slap down someone on an irrelevant football message board for simply expressing their opinion.

[FactualFrank]

The situation is far far far more serious than a handful of idiots wanting to slap down someone on an irrelevant football message board for simply expressing their opinion.

And you can help massively by not replying to those people on this thread, ever. You'll do a lot more good by ignoring them.

[dsr]

There's no single thing that I think is correct. I just think inaction is worse.

It speaks volumes that other countries are doing things we are not. That's where it doesn't sit right with me.

It's not generally helpful to say "I don't know what to do, but I'm going to do it anyway".

[SalouClaret]

Ringo, I agree you shouldn't have been called a racist. But stop posting the same reply when you aren't getting a response. There's enough bullsh!t to read on this thread as it is

[ClaretAndJew]

It's not generally helpful to say "I don't know what to do, but I'm going to do it anyway".

But people are doing things. World governments are acting.

This virus isn't a British problem, it's a human problem.

[RingoMcCartney]

And you can help massively by not replying to those people on this thread, ever. You'll do a lot more good by ignoring them.

When several posters brand you "racist" for making a suggestion, which has subsequently been widely adopted across the globe. I reserve the right to reply and defend myself. It's as simple as that. I've got 3 very close family members who fall into to the "vulnerable" groups. I'll not say more than that. So when other posters pile in with their hysterical, unthinking, moronic accusations, claiming I wasn't taking it seriously and calling for me to be banned, I ask them to justify it.

[RingoMcCartney]

Ringo, I agree you shouldn't have been called a racist. But stop posting the same reply when you aren't getting a response. There's enough bullsh!t to read on this thread as it is

No.

Lowbank Claret has had several opportunities to either report me to the moderators and the police and have me comments logged as a hate crime . Or, apologise and retract his utter utter garbage.

Until he does I'll continue to ask him to do one or t'other.

I notice he's gone back to inflammatory posts he made on tuesdsy evening and edited them on Wednesday morning!

However, the posts still show "edited" where he's got rid of his ridiculous comments


Imbecilic coward.

[RingoMcCartney]

Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:39 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑To clarify, for the final time.

Im simply suggesting that border controls could help in the stopping the virus spreading by people from my own race!!!!


Austria to close border to arrivals from Italy over coronavirus – POLITICO
https://www.politico.eu/article/austria ... ronavirus/


Austria and Slovenia impose tight border restrictions with Italy over coronavirus - The Local
https://www.thelocal.at/20200310/austri ... -virus/amp
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why edit delete your comments? Embarrassed?

[RingoMcCartney]

Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:00 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑What makes you think I dont , for one minute, take this serious?

Austria and Slovenia have beefed up border controls with Italy.

Borders provide protection.

However , in many parts of europe , thanks to the EUs policies, the borders between nations are non existent and the physical infrastructure of former checkpoints, has been allowed to fall into disrepair. Had it not, border checks would have surely helped in quarantining.

FREE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE = FREE MOVEMENT OF VIRUS.
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why edit delete your comments? Embarrassed?

[Billy Balfour]

Obsessed.

[thatdberight]

Obsessed.

You had to ruin it, didn't you?

He was on his way to a personal best for "most consecutive posts by a poster ranting about something while nobody else is listening to them".

Now, he'll probably start again...

[Blackrod]

To change direction of the thread will the Chinese in Wuhan change their eating habits now and stop eating Snake, Bats and Pandolins and buying them off market stalls ?

[FactualFrank]

Does anyone know a good website to read lots of amateur opinions on the coronavirus?

[paulatky]

If that's the case, presumably you reckon we should have no restrictions. The thing runs through us, a million people have not great ends to their lives (most of whom will have been lucky enough to have lived long lives of material wealth, health, opportunity and peace unknown to 99% of all people ever) and we just get on with it.

If you've got such a bad feeling about the future after we take evasive action, surely that's the rational response?

When did I say there should be no restrictions ?

I have said 4 weeks ago that the government would have to decide between personal health and economic health and I thought they would come down on the side of economic health.
That doesnt mean I agree with that policy.

We need a plan whereby we can treat as many people as possible over the next 12 months ,ideally that would be gradual increase without any peaks but that will be impossibe

[thatdberight]

When did I say there should be no restrictions ?

I have said 4 weeks ago that the government would have to decide between personal health and economic health and I thought they would come down on the side of economic health.
That doesnt mean I agree with that policy.

We need a plan whereby we can treat as many people as possible over the next 12 months ,ideally that would be gradual increase without any peaks but that will be impossibe

You didn't say it. That was my question.

I believe we have a plan to do what you suggest. Whether it works is another matter but I think it's been made quite clear by government that's their aspiration (no pun intended).

[Zlatan]

Edited...

[Lowbankclaret]

To change direction of the thread will the Chinese in Wuhan change their eating habits now and stop eating Snake, Bats and Pandolins and buying them off market stalls ?

They made it illegal to eat wild animals a couple of weeks ago, whether they continue this after this passes is another unanswerable question.

[Gordaleman]

To change direction of the thread will the Chinese in Wuhan change their eating habits now and stop eating Snake, Bats and Pandolins and buying them off market stalls ?

Check your facts. They don't eat bats and probably not snakes or pangolins either.

Perhaps you are still clinging on to the video that was released very early after the the outbreak claiming to show a woman in Wuhan apparrently eating bat. That was actually filmed in 2014 by an American travel writer in the middle of the Pacific on the island of Palau.

[Lowbankclaret]

Edited...

Who knows!!
Just glad there is the foe option.

[Jakubclaret]

Check your facts. They don't eat bats and probably not snakes or pangolins either.

They probably do, just not advertised as such, they'd eat pretty much anything over there, I've seen them.

[Lowbankclaret]

Just about every Airline is going to ground around 75% of their fleets.

That’s me out of a job.

Just hope I can sort my pension out.

[Blackrod]

What a twit. Check yours. Cave Nectar Bats and Fruit Bats certainly are.

[thatdberight]

Hope for the best but plan for the worse.

Thats surely the best action to take.

Sorry, it's trivial but the saying is "... plan for the worst" (being the opposite of 'best').

[Gordaleman]

They probably do, just not advertised as such, they'd eat pretty much anything over there, I've seen them.

Probably? Is that a fact?

[NottsClaret]

I have said 4 weeks ago that the government would have to decide between personal health and economic health and I thought they would come down on the side of economic health.

Again, nothing is black and white. Everyone agrees health is more important, but in 12 months, one way or another, this will be over and we'll still need to fund an NHS.

It seems pretty immoral to even think it, but the economy does need to keep functioning in some way. There's a pretty strong correlation between GDP and life expectancy in every country, and that will still be the case from 2021 onwards. Just as you can't abandon those who need help over the next 3 months, you can't ignore the fact we'll still need a funded NHS for people in the years to come.

[Lowbankclaret]

Check your facts. They don't eat bats and probably not snakes or pangolins either.

When I visited China, they certainly appeared to eat just about everything. When I was in Hong Hong, I witnessed them kill and skin live snakes for for food. Albeit that was a few years ago.

[Gordaleman]

What a twit. Check yours. Cave Nectar Bats and Fruit Bats certainly are.

Perhaps you are still clinging on to the video that was released very early after the the outbreak claiming to show a woman in Wuhan apparrently eating bat. That was actually filmed in 2014 by an American travel writer in the middle of the Pacific on the island of Palau.

[Jakubclaret]

Probably? Is that a fact?

You mentioned probably also in your post, we can't be 100% on what there eat & don't eat, I've seen them eat alsorts indescribable, there are not too fussy over there.

[paulatky]

It's not a competition to see who can come up with the wildest overstatement.

What on earth are you talking about.

My figure is from the latest consensus a couple of years ago!!!

[Jakubclaret]

When I visited China, they certainly appeared to eat just about everything. When I was in Hong Hong, I witnessed them kill and skin live snakes for for food. Albeit that was a few years ago.

Tarantulas are fair game also, chucked straight into the pan of boiling hot water.

[Spijed]

Tarantulas are fair game also, chucked straight into the pan of boiling hot water.

We chuck live lobsters straight into boiling water!

[Jakubclaret]

We chuck live lobsters straight into boiling water!

That makes it alright then I guess

[Zlatan]

Outcry as humans each other species for sustenance...

[thatdberight]

What on earth are you talking about.

My figure is from the latest consensus a couple of years ago!!!

In context, you were replying to a post where it was said 0.5% was way too low a number of people who would be seriously affected. You put up 26%. For what? Just as a throwaway comment unrelated? No. If you want to lob 26% in either stand by it or state what it's about. If it's not your version of the 0.5% give that number instead.

census*

[Gordaleman]

When I visited China, they certainly appeared to eat just about everything. When I was in Hong Hong, I witnessed them kill and skin live snakes for for food. Albeit that was a few years ago.

I'm sure that you are right and the practice of skinnining a snake is horrific in western eyes, but why is eating a particular animal frowned upon? Many people eat strange things including the Brits. The Cockneys love Jellied Eels. Some people eat sea slugs and sea cucumbers. Really, what's the difference?

My point is that this virus did NOT come fron a bat in Wuhan market, although an animal sold there may (And they don't know yet.) have been infected by a bat. If it hadn't been a bat, it could easily have been an animal people find more pleasant to relate to. A horse?

[RingoMcCartney]

When I visited China, they certainly appeared to eat just about everything. When I was in Hong Hong, I witnessed them kill and skin live snakes for for food. Albeit that was a few years ago.

You labelled me "racist" for making a suggestion ,that has subsequently, been adopted by countries all over Europe and the world.

Branding some one "racist" on a public forum is serious. I'm giving you the opportunity to either, back up your accusation, report me to the moderators and log my posts as a ",racist " hate crime. Or, stop letting your ego do the driving and put it on the back seat and apologise and retract those accusations.

[paulatky]

Just about every Airline is going to ground around 75% of their fleets.

That’s me out of a job.

Just hope I can sort my pension out.

Many many people will be in the same boat.

Are you still working or fully retired.

Pension funds are going to be massively underfunded and many of us are in real danger of seeing reductions in our pensions