Donald Trump

[IanMcL]

Suicides go up, but that is more than outweighed by road deaths virtually ending. Trump just makes things up.

You may think that....I may think that....some, it seems do not!

[Bosscat]

Suicides go up, but that is more than outweighed by road deaths virtually ending. Trump just makes things up.

Does Trump make your thing go up

[tim_noone]

I think we got banned for abusing each other ....

that would have been consensual.

[Steve1956]

that would have been consensual.

It certainly would but hey ho lets forget it eh?.....i missed my week off here very much it helps me get through the day.

[Leisure]

Rowl is french based...I think.

Correct, he's in Montpellier.

[tiger76]

BREAKING
Trump extends social distancing until 30 April
Trump says that the national guidelines for social distancing will be extended for an additional month until 30 April.

The initial 15-day guidance was set to expire tomorrow, on 30 March.

"Social distancing, that's the way you win," he says, adding that the US "will be well on our way to recovery" by June. The president had previously said he wanted the US economy to re-open by Easter which falls on 12 April.

Trump says the "peak" of recorded deaths in the US is likely to hit in two weeks.

"Nothing would be worse than declaring victory before victory is won," he says. "That would be the greatest loss of all."

So the US expects their peak in 2 weeks,similar to the UK if that's accurate.And maybe making major progress by the early summer,once again following the UK timeline if correct,that sounds optimistic but we can only hope their modelling is right.Equally we don't want to get people's hopes raised prematurely,this is likely to be a hard slog.

[Devils_Advocate]

I assume you live in France and just noticed that to date France has more deaths than America despite having only about 20 % of its population. Just wondered what your take is on that and what your view of the French Presidents efforts are ? We hear a lot about US and U.K. on here but not France.

Population does not affect the pace the virus spreads at. All per-capita adjustments do in the short term is make smaller countries look worse.

If no vaccine is found then France would run out of susceptible people well before the US whose cases and deaths would continue to grow.

The alternative is both countys fully lockdown to contain the virus thus making per-capita adjustments meaningless whist recognising the US will have a far more difficult task to lockdown and control a far larger population of people

[FCBurnley]

Current deaths per million

Italy 278
Spain 146
Holland 45
France 40
Switzerland 35
UK 18
USA 7

Mmmm

[elwaclaret]

In other words, nothing.

Knob

[tim_noone]

It’s ok he’s already gone back and rewritten his manifesto pledge so that nobody can accuse him of not doing what he said he was going to do.

He’s now promised to build a bit of a fence around some of the borders to make it a little bit inconvenient for the Mexicans when they still arrive in their droves on a daily basis.

Way it's going everyone will be Heading for Mexico........well it is hotter there.

[HieronymousBoschHobs]

Why is this even controversial? The guy is not of sound mine. I just saw his press conference and he comes across like he thinks it's a TV show. He's only rowing back now because someone has managed to dissuade him of letting 2 million people die. There was a poster on here getting pedantic about whether or not he said it would be over by Easter: you don't make perceivably misleading statements and then blame the media for misreporting when you are heading towards a national catastrophe!

[Inchy]

Complete unsubstantiated nonsense. In fact wishful thinking on your part and all because of your media conditioned hatred of Trump. I have no doubt that when he stopped Chinese citizens coming in at the end of January you called him a racist.

I am merely making a prediction. We will see if I am right



https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.cnn. ... index.html

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

What is truly amazing .....and i live in the USA. Is that English people don't see that they Elected the exact same thing in Boris Johnson.
He's a Pathological liar..the only real difference is he has a posh voice.

Indeed. The mind boggles.

[Bordeauxclaret]

You have to love his reaction when people quote him.

https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/sta ... 42337?s=21

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

.
Yawn.
Better to stay quiet sometimes rather than utter the pointless, regurgitated garbage you do. The guy lives there but you know more than him.
Oh, OK.
Have a nice weekend.

It's probably another Ringo profile, many things give it away: The made-up "important" job, the terrible command of English, specifically "there" and "their" and the idea that all she has to do is turn up and spout garbage means she's "won" her argument.

I've actually found over the past few days that if you put the less intelligent posters (not opinion but judging them on their basic level of English like KaterR) on ignore, this is actually a decent messageboard after all

[evensteadiereddie]

And the sad thing is you wouldn't be at all surprised that kind of stuff is happening if Tony's example from yesterday is anything to go by.
Anyway, we'll never know for sure so let's press on regardless and see how people behave from here.
You are quite correct - this is, given a chance, a decent messageboard. Better than decent !

[AlargeClaret]

If only all threads could be like this , all the lefty’s backslapping each other then building a head of steam into an excited circle jerk .Rendered even more bizzare that it appears half of them don’t even live in the UK.

[evensteadiereddie]

?

[Uwe Noble]

Knob

Good answer, clear not much between the ears.

[Devils_Advocate]

If only all threads could be like this , all the lefty’s backslapping each other then building a head of steam into an excited circle jerk .Rendered even more bizzare that it appears half of them don’t even live in the UK.

Offers nothing to discussion but to name call and try and stir the pot, did you not read CT's post yesterday or did you think it didn't apply to you.

Why dont you either take part in the discussion or just bugger off and leave the thread to those that have an interest in the subject

[Bfcboyo]

How will the hive mind have anything to debate once all opposing them have gone. Will they all form one post telepathically and that will be the end of the thread.

I reckon Turtle is here somewhere pulling the strings.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

And the sad thing is you wouldn't be at all surprised if what Tony has said is true.
Anyway, we'll never know for sure so let's press on regardless and see what happens and you are correct; this is, given a chance, a decent messageboard. Better than decent !

This is what I go off when dismissing the opinions of the badly educated...

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/soc ... 0122142873

In particular...

"When it comes to "there", "their" and "they're" I think he just picks one at random."

Let's face it, if you couldn't grasp it in school you were probably in Set 4 with Caddy and Hooky and Woody.

[tim_noone]

This is what I go off when dismissing the opinions of the badly educated...

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/soc ... 0122142873

In particular...

"When it comes to "there", "their" and "they're" I think he just picks one at random."

Let's face it, if you couldn't grasp it in school you were probably in Set 4 with Caddy and Hooky and Woody.

[AlargeClaret]

Offers nothing to discussion but to name call and try and stir the pot, did you not read CT's post yesterday or did you think it didn't apply to you.

Why dont you either take part in the discussion or just bugger off and leave the thread to those that have an interest in the subject

I was under the impression CT’s thread was exactly to ban these type of political d1ck swinging threads ? It’s fine though to abuse a deluded old clown like Trump , yet seemingly not ok to make a harmless observation ( with no name calling ) Enjoy your day

[Devils_Advocate]

I was under the impression CT’s thread was exactly to ban these type of political d1ck swinging threads ? It’s fine though to abuse a deluded old clown like Trump , yet seemingly not ok to make a harmless observation ( with no name calling ) Enjoy your day

Id say the problem is a combination of incessant bickering, abusive posts, people who deliberately try and derail a thread or people with no interest in a thread who just look disrupt it and offer nothing like you have done.

We should be able to discuss all subject matters that people are interested in and even be quite direct and frank with each other as long as its done with respect and with intent to add to the discussion.

I really didn't see what the purpose of your post was but to have a dig at a certain group of posters and its that kind of thing that brings the messageboard down.

Anyhow I'll leave it at that as I'll be treading into the realms of what I've just labelled as the problem If I go on any further so just try and be kind and if something annoys you and doesnt interest just let it go.

Have a nice day

[tim_noone]

Love the adopted americanisms on here at times.

[elwaclaret]

Good answer, clear not much between the ears.

On the contrary. If you have nothing better than troll, please chose someone else. You clearly have an agenda and quite frankly I have neither the time nor interest in discussing your extremist right wing nonsense or flag waving. Please refrain from continuing your little crusade. It is going nowhere and history will judge not some clever **** like you.

[TVC15]

Love the adopted americanisms on here at times.

That’s TOTALLY hogsh-it dude and you know it.

[KateR]

Why is this even controversial? The guy is not of sound mine. I just saw his press conference and he comes across like he thinks it's a TV show. He's only rowing back now because someone has managed to dissuade him of letting 2 million people die. There was a poster on here getting pedantic about whether or not he said it would be over by Easter: you don't make perceivably misleading statements and then blame the media for misreporting when you are heading towards a national catastrophe!

you (and others sniping) clearly heard the same statements and came out of it with different thoughts to mine, so many quotes from his statements that you clearly don't listen to and don't understand context, just in my opinion, same as the CNN reporter he took to task for quoting what he said but just taking a few words from the total statement because those few words could be controversial and the sound bite headline would sell.

I am not saying anything he said was right or good but if you are going to throw things in why not try to explain why he said what he did? Ohh, yes forgot it's the Trump bashing thread isn't it, would never do to actually say anything that might be construed as he has done something sensible.

[KateR]

It's probably another Ringo profile, many things give it away: The made-up "important" job, the terrible command of English, specifically "there" and "their" and the idea that all she has to do is turn up and spout garbage means she's "won" her argument.

I've actually found over the past few days that if you put the less intelligent posters (not opinion but judging them on their basic level of English like KaterR) on ignore, this is actually a decent messageboard after all

you clearly have to love people who make intelligent judgements based on someone being able to base there arguments on how someone using there/their/they're in sentences is the base line and then putting them on ignore, I think it's wonderful, I really do

[KateR]

Erasmus,
I read and understood your post/response and yes as you say we have different thoughts/ideas and view things differently, I respect your ideas but don't agree with the, you also know millions don't agree with you, plus millions don't agree with me.

I regard to the argument around democratically elected I have heard exactly the same argument from the Boris bashing bunch, it just doesn't wash, we have a system and that's all we can go off and neither leader put it in place so that's a different discussion and IMO not at all relevant.

[TVC15]

you clearly have to love people who make intelligent judgements based on someone being able to base there arguments on how someone using there/their/they're in sentences is the base line and then putting them on ignore, I think it's wonderful, I really do

My guess is that’s not the only reason.

Please tell me “there arguments” was ironic !

[KateR]

My guess is that’s not the only reason.

Please tell me “there arguments” was ironic !

Go on, tell me you simply could not read or understand what was written or what the intent/context of what was written was due to the miss use of the word there? I'd love to claim, of course it was ironic, but let's be honest who would believe me

I think this spelling problem should be the subject of a thread all on it's own, it would give the obviously, I'm more intelligent than you group to air there superiority over those who have an issue with spelling, punctuation etc. Now I come to think about it while writing this, is it not another form of a hate group that is not willing to accept dyslexic people, I will think more on this one and perhaps complain about the discrimination I am facing in this regard!! (that bit was a joke by the way for those that need to have things explained to them so that there can be no misinterpretation of a statement, which is rampant on here)

I will agree with you though that in Rex's case, spelling is not the only reason, of course I have my thoughts around that but that's all they are, thoughts/suspicions.

[Bordeauxclaret]

you (and others sniping) clearly heard the same statements and came out of it with different thoughts to mine, so many quotes from his statements that you clearly don't listen to and don't understand context, just in my opinion, same as the CNN reporter he took to task for quoting what he said but just taking a few words from the total statement because those few words could be controversial and the sound bite headline would sell.

I am not saying anything he said was right or good but if you are going to throw things in why not try to explain why he said what he did? Ohh, yes forgot it's the Trump bashing thread isn't it, would never do to actually say anything that might be construed as he has done something sensible.

Interesting, so this would be the reporter who asked Trump about the comments he’d made on Fox News where he said he believed the number of ventilators requested by some states wouldn’t be required.
How, in your opinion, were his comments on Fox News taken out of context by that reporter?

[KateR]

Interesting, so this would be the reporter who asked Trump about the comments he’d made on Fox News where he said he believed the number of ventilators requested by some states wouldn’t be required.
How, in your opinion, were his comments on Fox News taken out of context by that reporter?

NO, that was not what I was referring to:
One was:
It was to do with rating and public viewing and his spat with CNN, news outlets have recommended that the American population do not watch the Presidents briefings (according to him) and yet the televised briefing were very high in the ratings and he compared to a few other shows. I can not understand why any news outlet would be recommending that, note I have not fact checked that has occurred so that could be a red herring but was what I was referring to.

Second was to the reporter asking about his comment on Governors needing to be more respectful, the reporter couched that in terms of he was refereeing only to being respectful to Donald Trump alone. He stopped him and took him to task and asked him to read out to everyone what he had said fully and in context to the question. The response was in being respectful to the Gov. to the Admiral, to FEMA, to the doctor/scientific advisors, to the business leaders helping in logistics and transportation and when they disrespected him, the Gov. then they were being disrespectful to all helping. As part of this he also said he was having a good relationship with Governors and many had called expressing their gratitude, this was recently bad to hear about infighting at the highest level. However on searching, one Governor was female, can't remember the state but there was an article where she praised the Federal Gov. for its help and rapid response the day after when she was asked to comment on her previous "disrespectful comments" regarding Federal Gov. He of course spoilt a lot of this by naming one Governor who was a failed presidential Democrat candidate and saying he really didn't like him, I never want to hear these things but as I have said before he is his own worst enemy and just can't help himself. Must be a nightmare for his advisors.

Third was in relation to being asked about his recent comment that 2 big businesses were not doing what they should to help in the fight and would he name those businesses, he answered, you already know about GM who I am very happy to say are cooperating fully and will be a huge help. In regard to the two other businesses, no I wont name because they are fully onboard and we really appreciate what they are doing.

Regarding GM it should also be know what the President of GM had proposed (or the leader of the contract) in that it was an outrageous cost to change over and produce ventilators and the US Gov. was not going to be robbed and have tax payers hurt more, if this was the case and suspect it was then I wholly heartedly agree with his stance on GM.

Just to clarify around the above, I am not saying what he is doing is wonderful, I am not saying I am a big fan, merely trying to state if people come on here and throw hand grenades in regarding his insanity and what he said. It should be done in full and in context rather than the headlines for the sake of ensuring everyone knows you're on the, I hate everything Trump bandwagon and be safe in numbers. Plus attack anyone who does not conform to this group thinking view.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Thank goodness for that as it would have been ridiculous to try and claim the one I mentioned was taking out of context.
As his meltdown answer showed.

I wonder what the ratings for last nights press conference were.

[KateR]

Thank goodness for that as it would have been ridiculous to try and claim the one I mentioned was taking out of context.
As his meltdown answer showed.

I wonder what the ratings for last nights press conference were.

Maybe it's just me but I would have expected the Gov. updates regardless of where they are should be the top of the ratings, certainly in my household I am the only one watching it, again strange for me but thank goodness we are not all the same.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Of course they wound be.

To brag about those ratings however in the current climate would just be moronic.

[Taffy on the wing]

My guess is that’s not the only reason.

Please tell me “there arguments” was ironic !

Look out!.....You've rattled it's cage.

[RingoMcCartney]

Where is the opinion poll which asks how well the government has dealt with the crisis so far?

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/ar ... ion-swells

YouGov's latest findings

"March 27, 2020, 5:15 PM

The latest wave of our coronavirus tracker shows a dramatic increase in Government approval, with even a majority of Labour voters thinking they are doing a good job

After another week of difficult Government decisions, including having to mandate on Monday that the public follow social distancing guidelines, the latest wave of our weekly tracker poll shows the public are still overwhelmingly supportive.

Over seven in ten (72%) now think they are doing well, up from 59% last week, with just two in ten (21%) now thinking they are doing badly, down from 31% last week. The biggest shift has been among those who voted for the Labour Party in December, with a majority (56%) of them now thinking the Government is handling this crisis well, compared to just 38% a week ago."

#mystic

[KateR]

Look out!.....You've rattled it's cage.

you have really got this insulting posting down really well now haven't you, quickly rising to the top of the class but you do have a long way to go in that department compared to a few, but then again I'm sure you know this. 8 out of 10, plus I'll give you a star for persistence, you are definitely trying hard I can see that

[Taffy on the wing]

NO, that was not what I was referring to:
One was:
It was to do with rating and public viewing and his spat with CNN, news outlets have recommended that the American population do not watch the Presidents briefings (according to him) and yet the televised briefing were very high in the ratings and he compared to a few other shows. I can not understand why any news outlet would be recommending that, note I have not fact checked that has occurred so that could be a red herring but was what I was referring to.

Second was to the reporter asking about his comment on Governors needing to be more respectful, the reporter couched that in terms of he was refereeing only to being respectful to Donald Trump alone. He stopped him and took him to task and asked him to read out to everyone what he had said fully and in context to the question. The response was in being respectful to the Gov. to the Admiral, to FEMA, to the doctor/scientific advisors, to the business leaders helping in logistics and transportation and when they disrespected him, the Gov. then they were being disrespectful to all helping. As part of this he also said he was having a good relationship with Governors and many had called expressing their gratitude, this was recently bad to hear about infighting at the highest level. However on searching, one Governor was female, can't remember the state but there was an article where she praised the Federal Gov. for its help and rapid response the day after when she was asked to comment on her previous "disrespectful comments" regarding Federal Gov. He of course spoilt a lot of this by naming one Governor who was a failed presidential Democrat candidate and saying he really didn't like him, I never want to hear these things but as I have said before he is his own worst enemy and just can't help himself. Must be a nightmare for his advisors.

Third was in relation to being asked about his recent comment that 2 big businesses were not doing what they should to help in the fight and would he name those businesses, he answered, you already know about GM who I am very happy to say are cooperating fully and will be a huge help. In regard to the two other businesses, no I wont name because they are fully onboard and we really appreciate what they are doing.

Regarding GM it should also be know what the President of GM had proposed (or the leader of the contract) in that it was an outrageous cost to change over and produce ventilators and the US Gov. was not going to be robbed and have tax payers hurt more, if this was the case and suspect it was then I wholly heartedly agree with his stance on GM.

Just to clarify around the above, I am not saying what he is doing is wonderful, I am not saying I am a big fan, merely trying to state if people come on here and throw hand grenades in regarding his insanity and what he said. It should be done in full and in context rather than the headlines for the sake of ensuring everyone knows you're on the, I hate everything Trump bandwagon and be safe in numbers. Plus attack anyone who does not conform to this group thinking view.

You are clearly a big fan of Trump and Fox news! why not admit it?

[Top Claret]

Two types of people in this world doers and dreamers.

Obama and May were dreamers.

Trump is a doer, he gets things done, like our Boris

[KateR]

Two types of people in this world doers and dreamers.

Obama and May were dreamers.

Trump is a doer, he gets things done, like our Boris

Ohhhhh my, just put my tin hat on

[TVC15]

Hitler was a doer then ?
Just saying like....

Personally I reckon there are more than 2 types of people in the world - I know that’s a bit of a radical view but I’m in that kind of mood today.

[Devils_Advocate]

Hitler was a doer then ?
Just saying like....

Personally I reckon there are more than 2 types of people in the world - I know that’s a bit of a radical view but I’m in that kind of mood today.

I dont know Top Claret makes a great point, we just need to take a look around us in the world

Extinction Rebellion - Doer's
Momentum Marxists - Doer's
ISIS Jihad's - Doer's
Refugee's invading the UK - Doer's

Praise be for all the great doer's in the world today

[Erasmus]

Kate, you didn't really answer me though did you? I said it wasn't about differences of opinion on policy and that the definition of democracy was a small point. The substantial objection to Trump I made was that a comptemptible human being like him is unfit to be a head of state, representing the nation, because his disrepute brings the nation into disrepute. You said you agree that he is a disgusting person, but don't you think that in itself makes him unfit to fulfil the role that the Queen does for Britain? He is not really a person the nation can look up to or regard as a superior individual who sets an example for all to follow, and that is a key part of the President's role.

[TVC15]

Kate, you didn't really answer me though did you? I said it wasn't about differences of opinion on policy and that the definition of democracy was a small point. The substantial objection to Trump I made was that a comptemptible human being like him is unfit to be a head of state, representing the nation, because his disrepute brings the nation into disrepute. You said you agree that he is a disgusting person, but don't you think that in itself makes him unfit to fulfil the role that the Queen does for Britain? He is not really a person the nation can look up to or regard as a superior individual who sets an example for all to follow, and that is a key part of the President's role.

Completely agree with you about Trump as a person and as a leader - because to me they go hand in hand.

But in terms of the role of the President and being a superior individual I think history proves that like so many things over the pond what the yanks like to say often differs from what they actually do....
....just look at some of the Presidents they have had recently and those who have stood for election too - and I’m including old Hilary in that.

[KateR]

Erasmus,
sorry, I thought I had answered that when I said:
I read and understood your post/response and yes as you say we have different thoughts/ideas and view things differently, I respect your ideas but don't agree with the, you also know millions don't agree with you, plus millions don't agree with me. Should have been "them" and not "the" in regard to your ideas, sorry.

I will agree he is not a person that I would/do look up to and obviously the same as the majority here in that respect but I can't speak for all Americans. I do think his position and any other country leader is totally different from the Queen and would be horrified if he were in that sort of position and would definitely be signing any document that would prevent him from holding that office. Furthermore, I like Boris and am a supporter but not of all things Boris, I don't look up to Boris or think he is a superior individual, nor do I think any world leader is in fact that exalted. Yet I think the Queen is and every decade have thought so more and more, of course there are a list of others I put in that bracket to. Also a few of those have slipped from that pedestal over the years unfortunately.

[KateR]

Completely agree with you about Trump as a person and as a leader - because to me they go hand in hand.

But in terms of the role of the President and being a superior individual I think history proves that like so many things over the pond what the yanks like to say often differs from what they actually do....
....just look at some of the Presidents they have had recently and those who have stood for election too - and I’m including old Hilary in that.

How strange that we don't exactly agree on something, but then again you must be right because every leader in the UK has been a beacon of shining light and virtue that one can truly look up to, that is what you are saying isn't it, since you're singling out yanks, over the pond and Presidents? I say this in all sincerity because I have seen how you revere Boris, May and others like Blair in the past as truly exemplary human beings, we and the rest of the world should look up to in the position of the duly elected leader of the UK. I feel like standing and singing the national anthem now, wonderful spirit, hip hip hooray