Covid-19

[paulatky]

Just when I think you've hit peak ignorance, you prove me wrong.

Ok tell me what you think will happen with 25% unemployment,higher taxes and higher mortgage rates.

[tim_noone]

Grumps posted this on 3rd March when the UK had 51 confirmed cases and no deaths.

He asked me how did I know cases hadnt already peaked in the UK at the time and said nobody knows if they have. Thats the silliest statement I have seen anywhere in my life.

Serious Question for you....washing hands social distancing and staying at home are the recommendations to avoid the Virus.so let's say residents of care homes are sticking to the rules by staying in their rooms. Why will they succumb to the disease? As all the rules for safety are in place....

[paulatky]

Statements can be accurate and still be silly. For example, I know of someone who goes back 41 days just to make a pointless point on a message board.

But no way could that be accruate !!!

[Jakubclaret]

Grumps posted this on 3rd March when the UK had 51 confirmed cases and no deaths.

He asked me how did I know cases hadnt already peaked in the UK at the time and said nobody knows if they. Thats the silliest statement I have seen anywhere in my life.

Not quite, a little nugget arrived earlier stating that 40% of the working population had job security bearing in mind that most of us are furloughed & not guaranteed our jobs back & that’s not even considering the people on temporary contracts (agency workers) & zero hours working & nobody falling ill, which is even more risky in today’s environment with the virus & assuming most businesses will be prosperous without laying any staff off, that takes some trumping.

[KateR]

just as an aside regarding stats and numbers, below is a report from the 10 December 2019:

The number of people dying each week this winter is far higher than average levels, official data revealed today. Figures show 10,958 deaths were recorded in England and Wales during the last full week of November. In contrast, this is almost eight per cent higher than the average for the same time period in the previous five years (10,164). The Office for National Statistics data shows deaths between November 16 and 22 were also considerably higher - 758 more than the average since 2014.

It comes amid warnings the NHS will face its worst ever winter, as hospitals struggle to cope with staffing shortages. An early start to the flu season and norovirus outbreaks has also put unprecedented pressure on the overwhelmed health service.

•Total of 7,588 of the casualties aged 75 or older and less than 2,000 under 65

Deaths were reducing year on year since 2014! So is it a conspiracy theorist wet dream or was it leading to a double whammy lose lose for the health service just at the worst time?

[paulatky]

Serious Question for you....washing hands social distancing and staying at home are the recommendations to avoid the Virus.so let's say residents of care homes are sticking to the rules by staying in their rooms. Why will they succumb to the disease? As all the rules for safety are in place....

Carers are mixing with the outside world.
Unless the carers are living in its not lockdown

How do you think they are succumbing to the virus

[ksrclaret]

What do you think banks will do if someone cant pay their mortgage. Unless the government intervenes with an off the wall scheme many people will be in difficulty.

It had in the financial crisis 12 years ago and this is worst. Since that crisis the banks have required more equity to be put in so they will to action sales quicker before prices fall even further.
I can see the government having to come up with a scheme

Look, mate, you are ruining this thread further. Just accept you are not an expert on the coronavirus, epidemiology, world health, banks, interest rates, mortgages, when crowds will return and anything else that takes your fancy.

The fact you think you are has led to you making some wild and frankly laughable predictions. Some predictions may be not far off, but if you throw enough excrement at a wall and all that. The worst is, when challenged and your posts dismantled, you still think you were right and are posting page after page of nonsense.

Please give it up now. It's painful. Thanks

[paulatky]

just as an aside regarding stats and numbers, below is a report from the 10 December 2019:

The number of people dying each week this winter is far higher than average levels, official data revealed today. Figures show 10,958 deaths were recorded in England and Wales during the last full week of November. In contrast, this is almost eight per cent higher than the average for the same time period in the previous five years (10,164). The Office for National Statistics data shows deaths between November 16 and 22 were also considerably higher - 758 more than the average since 2014.

It comes amid warnings the NHS will face its worst ever winter, as hospitals struggle to cope with staffing shortages. An early start to the flu season and norovirus outbreaks has also put unprecedented pressure on the overwhelmed health service.

•Total of 7,588 of the casualties aged 75 or older and less than 2,000 under 65

Deaths were reducing year on year since 2014! So is it a conspiracy theorist wet dream or was it leading to a double whammy lose lose for the health service just at the worst time?

You could put am argument perhaps covid-19 has been with us earlier than we think

[TVC15]

What do you think banks will do if someone cant pay their mortgage. Unless the government intervenes with an off the wall scheme many people will be in difficulty.

It had in the financial crisis 12 years ago and this is worst. Since that crisis the banks have required more equity to be put in so they will to action sales quicker before prices fall even further.
I can see the government having to come up with a scheme

I’d rather watch Dave Lee Travis play Macbeth
SAY IT

[Jakubclaret]

Carers are mixing with the outside world.
Unless the carers are living in its not lockdown

How do you think they are succumbing to the virus

Could have easily been asymptomatic, absolutely no way of knowing for sure without being tested which was the case in not knowing, it only takes 1 person in a day to decimate a carehome.

[tim_noone]

Carers are mixing with the outside world.
Unless the carers are living in its not lockdown

How do you think they are succumbing to the virus

I've know idea how they're succumbing. If it's the carers passing it on they've got to be pretty Dim in such an environment NOT To be following the Hand Wash Routine which every Government ad.says is the Best way to beat this Virus.WASH YOUR HANDS. That's a cause of passing it on...is it not?

[tim_noone]

Could have easily been asymptomatic, absolutely no way of knowing for sure without being tested which was the case in not knowing, it only takes 1 person in a day to decimate a carehome.

Forgive my ignorance but isn't the testing of someones temperature a factor in detecting the disease in hospitals and care homes?

[paulatky]

I've know idea how they're succumbing. If it's the carers passing it on they've got to be pretty Dim in such an environment NOT To be following the Hand Wash Routine which every Government ad.says is the Best way to beat this Virus.WASH YOUR HANDS. That's a cause of passing it on...is it not?

Probably shows how little we know about this virus and thats what makes it so dangerous

[Jakubclaret]

Forgive my ignorance but isn't the testing of someones temperature a factor in detecting the disease in hospitals and care homes?

It determines the strength of an suspicion without being 100%, like it’s already been said lots of us have already had it without realising it or still have it but are asymptomatic.

[thatdberight]

Ok tell me what you think will happen with 25% unemployment,higher taxes and higher mortgage rates.

Before we start, remind me how we get from where we are to higher mortgage rates. Also give me a credible source for the 25% unemployment rate.

[tim_noone]

Probably shows how little we know about this virus and thats what makes it so dangerous

Actually that's my thinking nobody knows F..k All about it full stop.....from the washing of hands to the should you..shouldn't you wear masks.No One As a Clue.

[thatdberight]

that most of us are furloughed ...

Given the projection (that means future) is 9M out of a working population of 32M - how's that most? More **** you made up. Thick as mince - you and the other two laughing boys.

[Jakubclaret]

Actually that's my thinking nobody knows F..k All about it full stop.....from the washing of hands to the should you..shouldn't you wear masks.No One As a Clue.

The government are reviewing the masks & if evidence suggests their help it’ll be recommended/forced to wear 1 in certain places.

[paulatky]

Actually that's my thinking nobody knows F..k All about it full stop.....from the washing of hands to the should you..shouldn't you wear masks.No One As a Clue.

And are you really safe at 2 meters especially if people are exercising and exhaling strongly and then you might pass in their jetstream even though you have kept the 2 metre distance

[dsr]

just as an aside regarding stats and numbers, below is a report from the 10 December 2019:

The number of people dying each week this winter is far higher than average levels, official data revealed today. Figures show 10,958 deaths were recorded in England and Wales during the last full week of November. In contrast, this is almost eight per cent higher than the average for the same time period in the previous five years (10,164). The Office for National Statistics data shows deaths between November 16 and 22 were also considerably higher - 758 more than the average since 2014.

It comes amid warnings the NHS will face its worst ever winter, as hospitals struggle to cope with staffing shortages. An early start to the flu season and norovirus outbreaks has also put unprecedented pressure on the overwhelmed health service.

•Total of 7,588 of the casualties aged 75 or older and less than 2,000 under 65

Deaths were reducing year on year since 2014! So is it a conspiracy theorist wet dream or was it leading to a double whammy lose lose for the health service just at the worst time?

Deaths in November-December were 3,661 (4%) above average, the corresponding figures for January-February were 4,105 (3.7%) below average, resulting in a net "gain" of 444 lives over 18 weeks. About 3 a day over the whole country. About 2 per hospital over the whole 4 month period. Below average. But even if it was the other way round, it's hardly "unprecedented pressure".

[tim_noone]

Further to my posts. My grandson Works in a care home Kichen. Cooking the Meals for residents.in two months to date know one as Died in the Home it will be interesting to see what happens with the "spike" about to Hit care homes.

[dsr]

You could put am argument perhaps covid-19 has been with us earlier than we think

You could. But using the lower-than-average deaths over the winter as a sign that coronavirus has been with us longer than we think, isn't going to convince many people.

[Jakubclaret]

Given the projection (that means future) is 9M out of a working population of 32M - how's that most? More **** you made up. Thick as mince - you and the other two laughing boys.

& the agency workers casual staff, it’s a sizeable percentage bearing in mind also we can’t accurately predict what the economy will require or won’t require when the lockdowns lifted.

[paulatky]

Given the projection (that means future) is 9M out of a working population of 32M - how's that most? More **** you made up. Thick as mince - you and the other two laughing boys.

Does the 32m include self employed ?

[thatdberight]

And are you really safe at 2 meters especially if people are exercising and exhaling strongly and then you might pass in their jetstream even though you have kept the 2 metre distance

I heard you can get it through the internet. You'd be better safe than sorry.

[thatdberight]

Does the 32m include self employed ?

"Most of us are furloughed".

Instead of trying to find some half-witted way to mangle the ******* stats, just concentrate on whether the original assertion was right.

[paulatky]

Given the projection (that means future) is 9M out of a working population of 32M - how's that most? More **** you made up. Thick as mince - you and the other two laughing boys.

And a number people who have not been furloughed have had to take pay cuts as they earn more than the £30k per annum limit for furlough

[paulatky]

"Most of us are furloughed".

Instead of trying to find some half-witted way to mangle the ******* stats, just concentrate on whether the original assertion was right.

Wasnt my comment but the majority of people I know personally have seen a reduction in their monthly income.

[Rileybobs]

And a number people who have not been furloughed have had to take pay cuts as they earn more than the £30k per annum limit for furlough

Are you actually for real? There isn’t a maximum earning limit for someone to be eligible to be furloughed.

[thatdberight]

And a number people who have not been furloughed have had to take pay cuts as they earn more than the £30k per annum limit for furlough

What?!?!?

When did it happen? The dropping on the head that befell you.

[paulatky]

Are you actually for real? There isn’t a maximum earning limit for someone to be eligible to be furloughed.

There is a limit to how much the government will fund . Those workers earning say £60,000 per annum, £5000 a month the government will only fund the company to the tune of £2,500 a month.

Companies have asked some of those workers to take pay cuts of upto 40% and some companies even put people on gardening leave without pay.

Its difficult times out there

[thatdberight]

There is a limit to how much the government will fund . Those workers earning say £60,000 per annum, £5000 a month the government will only fund the company to the tune of £2,500 a month.

Companies have asked some of those workers to take pay cuts of upto 40% and some companies even put people on gardening leave without pay.

Its difficult times out there

Not as difficult as it is on here.

[paulatky]

What?!?!?

When did it happen? The dropping on the head that befell you.

Both my sons who work for different companies have been put on 80% pay for April and May.

One of my nephews has been put on gardening leave for 6 weeks without pay. He is hoping after the 6 weeks are up it will be someone else’s turn to swap with him

[dsr]

And a number people who have not been furloughed have had to take pay cuts as they earn more than the £30k per annum limit for furlough

This is a Guardian analysis of the spending required for a basic standard of living. The things that furloughed or laid pff people are not spending at present, are bolded.

Single person, working age
Food and drink £48.07
Clothing and footwear £6.30
Housing costs £83.42
Household goods and services £19.64
Personal goods and services (inc health) £5.99
Transport £17.03
Social and cultural activities £29.73
Total £210.18

Pensioner couple
Food and drink £60.65
Clothing and footwear £9.93
Housing costs £103.64
Household goods and services £20.20
Personal goods and services (inc health) £23.65
Transport £4.65
Social and cultural activities £43.21
Total £265.92

Couple with two children
Food and drink £103.53
Clothing and footwear £29.26
Housing costs £123.56
Household goods and services £27.11
Childcare £190.47
Personal goods and services (inc health) £27.39
Transport £35.02
Social and cultural activities £90.08
Total £626.43
Total excluding childcare £435.96

The single person's spending is cut by 20%, which is quite handy because his net wage is cut by slightly less than that. However, he is the worst hit.

The pensioners haven't lost any income at all, so they're OK - in spite of their staggeringly high housing costs which are higher than the single person's. Obviously all those pensioners whose mortgage is paid off, haven't been considered.

And the couple with two children can save more than half of their normal spending.

Obviously there will be exceptions, but for the people still getting 80% of their normal income, most of them will be OK.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/jul/02/welfare

[paulatky]

Not as difficult as it is on here.

You are just being awkward now.
Do some research about what’s happening in the real job market and then we can have a proper discussion

[Jakubclaret]

It’s more than 9 million workers furloughed & you’ve got 26.5 million workers, I wasn’t including the people already working why would that enter into the equation, the section of the workforce currently furloughed have limited job security, I’d argue even some people currently working are also insecure but that’s digressing from 9+mil figure.

[Rileybobs]

There is a limit to how much the government will fund . Those workers earning say £60,000 per annum, £5000 a month the government will only fund the company to the tune of £2,500 a month.

Companies have asked some of those workers to take pay cuts of upto 40% and some companies even put people on gardening leave without pay.

Its difficult times out there

You just said that people have had to take pay cuts because they earn over the £30k limit for furlough. Anyone can be furloughed regardless of their salary, there is a limit to what the employer can claim from the government.

Is this another example of misinformation or is this another lie?

[thatdberight]

It’s more than 9 million workers furloughed

Source? I'll give you a clue. There isn't one. You're just another congenital liar.

[thatdberight]

You are just being awkward now.
Do some research about what’s happening in the real job market and then we can have a proper discussion

I'll ask a few people I know, like you have, and present that as evidence of the state of the 30-odd million UK job market, shall I? At least we'd both be acting like retards then.

[paulatky]

This is a Guardian analysis of the spending required for a basic standard of living. The things that furloughed or laid pff people are not spending at present, are bolded.

Single person, working age
Food and drink £48.07
Clothing and footwear £6.30
Housing costs £83.42
Household goods and services £19.64
Personal goods and services (inc health) £5.99
Transport £17.03
Social and cultural activities £29.73
Total £210.18

Pensioner couple
Food and drink £60.65
Clothing and footwear £9.93
Housing costs £103.64
Household goods and services £20.20
Personal goods and services (inc health) £23.65
Transport £4.65
Social and cultural activities £43.21
Total £265.92

Couple with two children
Food and drink £103.53
Clothing and footwear £29.26
Housing costs £123.56
Household goods and services £27.11
Childcare £190.47
Personal goods and services (inc health) £27.39
Transport £35.02
Social and cultural activities £90.08
Total £626.43
Total excluding childcare £435.96

The single person's spending is cut by 20%, which is quite handy because his net wage is cut by slightly less than that. However, he is the worst hit.

The pensioners haven't lost any income at all, so they're OK - in spite of their staggeringly high housing costs which are higher than the single person's. Obviously all those pensioners whose mortgage is paid off, haven't been considered.

And the couple with two children can save more than half of their normal spending.

Obviously there will be exceptions, but for the people still getting 80% of their normal income, most of them will be OK.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/jul/02/welfare

Well from experience our food bill has gone up because there are not the offers out there. Also eating more because not a lot else to do.

Utility bills will be higher as more people at home.

[Rileybobs]

Well from experience our food bill has gone up because there are not the offers out there. Also eating more because not a lot else to do.

Utility bills will be higher as more people at home.

eating more because there’s nothing else to do. You couldn’t make this up.

[thatdberight]

eating more because there’s nothing else to do. You couldn’t make this up.

That's not fair. Pretty much everything else he's said has been made up. This might be as well.

[Jakubclaret]

Source? I'll give you a clue. There isn't one. You're just another congenital liar.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52209790

[paulatky]

eating more because there’s nothing else to do. You couldn’t make this up.

Again I speak to real people and this is what a lot of people say. Havent you seen all the jokes about over eating during this lockdown.

I bet if I said tomorrow was Wednesday you would argue with me

[paulatky]

eating more because there’s nothing else to do. You couldn’t make this up.

How to STOP all-day snacking during lockdown: Nutritionists reveal how to put an end to fridge raiding - and say the key is tackling stress and boredom


Just google “ are people eating more during lockdown “ and read some of the results.

You are making yourself look silly now so perhaps its time for your bed.

[dsr]

Well from experience our food bill has gone up because there are not the offers out there. Also eating more because not a lot else to do.

Utility bills will be higher as more people at home.

Feel free to eat more if you can afford it, but for the people who are short of cash, they will presumably be either eating normally, or not expecting sympathy.

On the credit side, now that people do have far more spare time and nothing to do, they will be able to cook much cheaper food, eg. roast chicken rather than ready meals, home made biscuits rather than bought, and so forth. Plenty of recipes on the internet.

[thatdberight]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52209790

Yeah. That's the 9 million. Really? You're going to argue about the roundings? That's how you get "most of us". Go on. Take me through the maths of "most of us".

I can't actually find the source for the 9 million. It seems that BBC report cites the BCC who talk about a £30-40bn cost and there's a Resolution Foundation number that I can't see at source quickly where 9m may be a midpoint. They're probably not incompatible as the impact of the furlough is difficult to calculate due to high earners and low earners having an impact on the simple maths.

[paulatky]

That's not fair. Pretty much everything else he's said has been made up. This might be as well.

How to STOP all-day snacking during lockdown: Nutritionists reveal how to put an end to fridge raiding - and say the key is tackling stress and boredom

Just google “eating habits during lockdown “

Or better still talk to your friends and ask them !!

[Rileybobs]

Again I speak to real people and this is what a lot of people say. Havent you seen all the jokes about over eating during this lockdown.

I bet if I said tomorrow was Wednesday you would argue with me

I’m glad you speak to real people as opposed to the imaginary ones the rest of us speak to. It must be giving you a better insight as to what’s going on in the real world.

People ‘over eating’ doesn’t exactly equate to a substantially bigger shopping bill does it? Are people cooking an extra few meals a day or eating the odd pack of crisps?

I don’t argue with what you say for the sake of it, I do it because you post a load of garbage (and I’ve got plenty of time on my hands). Time and time again people have pulled you up on the lies that you’re spreading but I’ve never seen a decent rebuttal from you.

Have your sons been furloughed or have they both been asked to take a 20% wage cut and continue working?

[paulatky]

I’m glad you speak to real people as opposed to the imaginary ones the rest of us speak to. It must be giving you a better insight as to what’s going on in the real world.

People ‘over eating’ doesn’t exactly equate to a substantially bigger shopping bill does it? Are people cooking an extra few meals a day or eating the odd pack of crisps?

I don’t argue with what you say for the sake of it, I do it because you post a load of garbage (and I’ve got plenty of time on my hands). Time and time again people have pulled you up on the lies that you’re spreading but I’ve never seen a decent rebuttal from you.

Have your sons been furloughed or have they both been asked to take a 20% wage cut and continue working?

Yes both have had a 20% pay cut and both having to worl. One is having to work harder than normal because his staff has bern furloughed.