Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

[TheFamilyCat]

Edited for brevity:

Waffle, waffle

Three more links, none of which substantiate your claim that the Nissan plant would close if Leave won the referendum.

More waffle

Are we still doing this? You've had numerous attempts to find evidence and come up with nothing.

My "little hobby" is schooling hapless remoaners on here.

Why give someone else the reflective glory of wiping the floor with these jokers!?

Can I check, are you schooling me now or wiping the floor with me? This is important. Either way, I hope you're having a glorious day.

[RingoMcCartney]

Are we still doing this? You've had numerous attempts to find evidence and come up with nothing.





Can I check, are you schooling me now or wiping the floor with me? This is important. Either way, I hope you're having a glorious day.

Please visit an options!

It was seen as iconic on the referendum result night. There'd been months of talk about ," not just the plant itself but the 1000s employed in supply chains," "it would be devastating for the area if an employer like Nissan pulls out" And that memorable result was just a foretaste of what lay ahead that night.


This is the Guardian confirming that the plant faced potential closure.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... nsequences


Nissan decision to stay in Sunderland averts ‘catastrophic’ consequences

The Japanese car company’s threat that it could quit the region over Brexit had, like the referendum itself, left an open wound in Sunderland.

Richard Boardman: "If Nissan leaves the North East it would be a disaster. It's not just the Nissan plant - it's all the smaller companies that build and provide. Be realistic, Sunderland needs Nissan!"

This was the BBC confirming there was a question mark over the plants future.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24859486


8 November 2013

Nissan boss warns UK over possible EU exit.

Nissan will reconsider its investment in the UK if Britain leaves the European Union, chief executive Carlos Ghosn has told the BBC.

This is what the people of Sunderland had come to understand despite your pathetic attempt to rewrite history!

Lloyd Ismington: "Without Nissan then there will be a big drop in cash in Sunderland, people not making mortgage payments, not supporting bars/shops. The knock-on effect would be disastrous."


Shirley Herbertson: "Sunderland was the highest Leave vote in the country. I’m afraid they have voted themselves out of jobs!"


Margo Lax: "We had ship building and mines ... all gone. Nissan became a big part of our economy. Sunderland will die if they pull out."

Alexandra Kellett: "If Nissan goes then the whole of the North East will be hit hard -


https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/19- ... ant-348299

You made an assumption.

You were wrong.

You've attempted to rewrite history.

The People of Sunderland would say you were wrong

You believed the lies spewed by Project fear.

At least you're consistent!!

[RingoMcCartney]

That desire is one of the more common symptoms of his condition.

As Mystic Smeg would say, "If Carlsberg did (pi$$ed -up) meltdowns..."

Five posts in a row, late at night - what else is there to know about this useless, lying creep ?

Wot, still no Elizabeth ?

Your fixation about me being Elizabeth is another example of your Walter Mittyesque mindset!

The thing is, as some who boasted of going on a Bolton Wanderers messageboard and having multiple user names as part of his "verbal Guerilla warfare" Youre clearly judging others by your own, twisted and bizarre, far too much time on his hands, standards!



Now where's that little teddy to distract him!?

Fetch!! There's a good boy!!

[martin_p]

Please visit an options!

It was seen as iconic on the referendum result night. There'd been months of talk about ," not just the plant itself but the 1000s employed in supply chains," "it would be devastating for the area if an employer like Nissan pulls out" And that memorable result was just a foretaste of what lay ahead that night.


This is the Guardian confirming that the plant faced potential closure.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... nsequences


Nissan decision to stay in Sunderland averts ‘catastrophic’ consequences

The Japanese car company’s threat that it could quit the region over Brexit had, like the referendum itself, left an open wound in Sunderland.

Richard Boardman: "If Nissan leaves the North East it would be a disaster. It's not just the Nissan plant - it's all the smaller companies that build and provide. Be realistic, Sunderland needs Nissan!"

This was the BBC confirming there was a question mark over the plants future.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24859486


8 November 2013

Nissan boss warns UK over possible EU exit.

Nissan will reconsider its investment in the UK if Britain leaves the European Union, chief executive Carlos Ghosn has told the BBC.

This is what the people of Sunderland had come to understand despite your pathetic attempt to rewrite history!

Lloyd Ismington: "Without Nissan then there will be a big drop in cash in Sunderland, people not making mortgage payments, not supporting bars/shops. The knock-on effect would be disastrous."


Shirley Herbertson: "Sunderland was the highest Leave vote in the country. I’m afraid they have voted themselves out of jobs!"


Margo Lax: "We had ship building and mines ... all gone. Nissan became a big part of our economy. Sunderland will die if they pull out."

Alexandra Kellett: "If Nissan goes then the whole of the North East will be hit hard -


https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/19- ... ant-348299

You made an assumption.

You were wrong.

You've attempted to rewrite history.

The People of Sunderland would say you were wrong

You believed the lies spewed by Project fear.

At least you're consistent!!

The people of Sunderland will continue to be worried with Nissan today saying a no deal Brexit would make the plant ‘unsustainable’ at the same time the Bank of England tell banks to step up preparations for a no deal Brexit.

The pandemic has made it more crucial than ever that we have more time to sort this out, unfortunately the chances of us taking up the EU’s offer to extend the transition period look to be zero.

[RingoMcCartney]

For six months you've been crowing about how "your side" won. It turns out that in actual fact you abandoned your side and your beliefs and went glory-hunting.

Everyone is, if course, free to vote however they like for whatever reason they like but a desperate desire just to be seen to be on the winning side is rather an odd reason.

The pent up resentment is palpable!!

How dare I vote in a way that delivers the desired outcome!?

And boy did it!!

Its almost as if you, yourself, are barely able to hide your "desperate desire just to be seen to be on the winning side" for once!!

That desperation, even attempting to rewrite history, has only gotten you to one, consistent place. The losing side.!

[RingoMcCartney]

In summery.

The the widely accepted myth created by Project Fear, that the Sunderland Nissan plant ( and thousands of jobs in the supply chain, and small local businesses like sandwich shops who's concerned owners were interviewed at the time) would shut , if the country voted Leave.

Has been proven to be a lie , gleefully lapped up by gullible left wing newspaper reading mugs (look andrew JB it's easy for others to do it too!!). As Nissan announce the plant is actually going to be its European HQ!

(Can somebody else please tell the merry band of begrudging, Remoaner curmudgeon history rewriters and reality deniers the great news! For some reason, they're unable to accept it, when it comes from me!)

[martin_p]

In summery.

The the widely accepted myth created by Project Fear, that the Sunderland Nissan plant ( and thousands of jobs in the supply chain, and small local businesses like sandwich shops who's concerned owners were interviewed at the time) would shut , if the country voted Leave.

Has been proven to be a lie , gleefully lapped up by gullible left wing newspaper reading mugs (look andrew JB it's easy for other to do it to!!). As Nissan announce the plant is actually going to be its European HQ!

(Can somebody else please tell the merry band of begrudging, Remoaner curmudgeon history rewriters and reality deniers the great news! For some reason, they're unable to accept it, when it comes from me!)

So you’ve got your fingers in your ears when it comes to what the head of Nissan has said today then.

Oh, and it isn’t very summery today either, pouring with rain.

[Devils_Advocate]

Can you let me know when you are actually gonna show us some real evidence that 'Project Fear' created a myth that in your words stated

"The Sunderland Nissan plant ( and thousands of jobs in the supply chain, and small local businesses like sandwich shops who's concerned owners were interviewed at the time) would shut , if the country voted Leave."

On a positive note I am enjoying your discovery of different emoji's and the new tag lines you use for them. Its about the only redeeming aspect of your posts so if you could try and come up with a new one every week or maybe assign different emoji's and witty retorts to different posters I would appreciate it

[tiger76]

A warning that Nissan has repeated today, saying the plant in Sunderland will be ‘unsustainable’ if there is no trade deal with the EU.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politic ... ufacturing

With all due respect mp i'd have thought this was obvious to most people, hence why i stated a couple of days ago, let's wait and see how the talks, and more importantly the legal documents pan out before popping the champagne corks.

If Nissan can't sell to the UK'S biggest market without tariffs or other barriers , then they could well have to rethink their plans for the Sunderland plant.

The chances of an agreement between EU/UK this month are slim to none,and our government are adamant they'll not request an extension, so unless there's movement from either side there's a strong possibility of no deal, at least in the short-term.

In that scenario we'll see what impact crashing out will really have on our economy.

[TVC15]

You had me at In “SummEry”

[martin_p]

With all due respect mp i'd have thought this was obvious to most people, hence why i stated a couple of days ago, let's wait and see how the talks, and more importantly the legal documents pan out before popping the champagne corks.

If Nissan can't sell to the UK'S biggest market without tariffs or other barriers , then they could well have to rethink their plans for the Sunderland plant.

Obvious to most, yes. Obvious to the person my post was aimed at, clearly not!

[ksrclaret]

Let’s not forget this is a poster who listed being on the right side of the referendum result as one of his personal achievements. I think that tells everyone all they need to know.

At least he’s containing himself on this thread these days and not ruining the rest of the board. Hope he keeps that bit up at least.

[TheFamilyCat]

In summery.

The the widely accepted myth created by Project Fear, that the Sunderland Nissan plant ( and thousands of jobs in the supply chain, and small local businesses like sandwich shops who's concerned owners were interviewed at the time) would shut , if the country voted Leave.

Has been proven to be a lie , gleefully lapped up by gullible left wing newspaper reading mugs (look andrew JB it's easy for others to do it too!!). As Nissan announce the plant is actually going to be its European HQ!

(Can somebody else please tell the merry band of begrudging, Remoaner curmudgeon history rewriters and reality deniers the great news! For some reason, they're unable to accept it, when it comes from me!)

Or, in factual summary:

You took reports of the possible impact on the Nissan plant if the UK left the EU and spun that as "the plant will close".

You then celebrated the non-closure of the plant even though only you claimed it would.

You are right about one thing though; it Has been proven to be a lie, a lie made up by you.

[RingoMcCartney]

Can you let me know when you are actually gonna show us some real evidence that 'Project Fear' created a myth that in your words stated

"The Sunderland Nissan plant ( and thousands of jobs in the supply chain, and small local businesses like sandwich shops who's concerned owners were interviewed at the time) would shut , if the country voted Leave."

On a positive note I am enjoying your discovery of different emoji's and the new tag lines you use for them. Its about the only redeeming aspect of your posts so if you could try and come up with a new one every week or maybe assign different emoji's and witty retorts to different posters I would appreciate it

There is clearly nothing that I could say that you would accept as "evidence". You only have to look at the evidence that your fellow remoaners will simply refuse to accept a reality and attempt to rewrite history, in order to attempt save face.

Project Fear told us many lies.

We were promised armageddon BEFORE the referendum.

Confidence in the UK economy would collapse over night, following a vote to leave.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... uk-economy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

David Cameron: "leave vote would be economic bomb for UK"

850 000 extra unemployed following a vote to leave , The Treasury assured us.

Emergency budget. Osborne.

Possibly another emergency budget by Christmas - mark carney.

Stock market crash.

Siemens to leave.

Nissan to leave.

Housing market crash.

A "brexodous" of talent

Non of it happened, and Nissan closing was just one of many lies told to the electorate.

I've posted links to your beloved Guardian that show the people were told a vote leave would see closure of the plant. I've posted quotes from the people of Sunderland showing that's what they understood as well. If that's not good enough , and be honest with yourself , nothing is ever going to be good enough. Tough.

Carry on living in a parallel universe of denial.

[RingoMcCartney]

Or, in factual summary:

You took reports of the possible impact on the Nissan plant if the UK left the EU and spun that as "the plant will close".

You then celebrated the non-closure of the plant even though only you claimed it would.

You are right about one thing though; it Has been proven to be a lie, a lie made up by you.

This is the Guardian confirming that the plant faced potential closure.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... nsequences


Nissan decision to stay in Sunderland averts ‘catastrophic’ consequences

The Japanese car company’s threat that it could quit the region over Brexit had, like the referendum itself, left an open wound in Sunderland.



No man is so blind than he who refuses to see.

Class dismissed!

[evensteadiereddie]

Wow.

[RingoMcCartney]

Question- how do organise another flash mob of resentment fuelled egg on faced, reality denying,
history rewriting Remoaners, who'll go to a whole assortment of lengths to disguise the fact that, after nigh on 4 years, they simply cant get over the fact they lost?

Answer - Remind them. Again!

Laters losers!

[TheFamilyCat]

This is the Guardian confirming that the plant faced potential closure.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... nsequences


Nissan decision to stay in Sunderland averts ‘catastrophic’ consequences

The Japanese car company’s threat that it could quit the region over Brexit had, like the referendum itself, left an open wound in Sunderland.



No man is so blind than he who refuses to see.

Class dismissed!

could, could, could, could, could, COULD

Do you see the key word here?

Class will resume once you've studied a dictionary.

[RingoMcCartney]

Fix bayonets lads! Looks like our favourite "Verbal Guerilla Warfare" insurgent, has returned from another successful foray on another teams message board!

[martin_p]

Question- how do organise another flash mob of resentment fuelled egg on faced, reality denying,
history rewriting Remoaners, who'll go to a whole assortment of lengths to disguise the fact that, after nigh on 4 years, they simply cant get over the fact they lost?

Answer - Remind them. Again!

Laters losers!

Question, why won’t Wrongo address what Nissan have said today?

[RingoMcCartney]

could, could, could, could, could, COULD

Do you see the key word here?

Class will resume once you've studied a dictionary.

And Star Pupil of the week award goes to The family Cat!!

Congratulations The family Cat!

Ground breaking work on making reasoned debate indistinguishable from sheer desperation!

Come on year 5, a big round of applause for ThefamilyCat!

[martin_p]

And Star Pupil of the week award goes to The family Cat!!

Congratulations The family Cat!

Ground breaking work on making reasoned debate indistinguishable from sheer desperation!

Come on year 5, a big round of applause for ThefamilyCat!

So you see the difference between ‘could’ and the word you used ‘would’ then?

Still no comment on what Nissan have said today then. It confirms the plant could close if there is no trade deal.

[AndrewJB]

Question- how do organise another flash mob of resentment fuelled egg on faced, reality denying,
history rewriting Remoaners, who'll go to a whole assortment of lengths to disguise the fact that, after nigh on 4 years, they simply cant get over the fact they lost?

Answer - Remind them. Again!

Laters losers!

I’m a remainer but I had no truck with protect fear - which really was just the remain side of the Tory Party plus a few other right wingers. I thought the remainers in opposition parties put forward cogent and positive reasons for remaining.

You seem a little fixated on the Nissan plant, but I suppose since the last four years have shown the Brexit promises to be lies as well, you’re promoting one instance of absence of damage to our economy, rather than “the easiest trade deal in history” or relief that now Turkey has become an EU member we won’t be swamped by them (actually that was project fear as well), or pointing out the sunlit uplands that we should be now on.

[TheFamilyCat]

And Star Pupil of the week award goes to The family Cat!!

Congratulations The family Cat!

Ground breaking work on making reasoned debate indistinguishable from sheer desperation!

Come on year 5, a big round of applause for ThefamilyCat!

Thanks Ringo, sadly for you though there is no option but to hold you back for another year in Reception. Again.

[tiger76]

I’m a remainer but I had no truck with protect fear - which really was just the remain side of the Tory Party plus a few other right wingers. I thought the remainers in opposition parties put forward cogent and positive reasons for remaining.

You seem a little fixated on the Nissan plant, but I suppose since the last four years have shown the Brexit promises to be lies as well, you’re promoting one instance of absence of damage to our economy, rather than “the easiest trade deal in history” or relief that now Turkey has become an EU member we won’t be swamped by them (actually that was project fear as well), or pointing out the sunlit uplands that we should be now on.

Your an avid remainer Andrew,i'm an avid leaver, however what we can both likely agree on, is a no deal would be disastrous to British industry, this is why our government should adopt a common sense approach and extend the transition period, but their so obsessed with 'getting brexit done' that common sense appears to have gone out the window i'm afraid.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Question, why won’t Wrongo address what Nissan have said today?

They're saying no deal would probably result in closure of the plant aren't they?

They've been saying that since the referendum, they sought and were given financial incentives by May's government to keep it open and they were also demanding to know the full details of any agreement before the negotiations had even started.

The company is in a mess and will be shedding more jobs across the world, due to varying reasons from the financial disaster caused by their former Boss, poorly made vehicles and also the Japan/EU FTA means they don't necessarily need as many plants in Europe.
Covid just made their already existing financial problems a whole lot worse and they've just closed their plant in Spain.
Renault were considering off loading them, or their Mitsubishi partnership, I think because Renault wanted to join up with FCA instead to save money etc.

If they do close the plant it will be a combination of financial, Brexit and EU/Jap FTA reasons.
Whichever way you lean will determine where you lay most of the blame

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Your an avid remainer Andrew,i'm an avid leaver, however what we can both likely agree on, is a no deal would be disastrous to British industry, this is why our government should adopt a common sense approach and extend the transition period, but their so obsessed with 'getting brexit done' that common sense appears to have gone out the window i'm afraid.

We keep seeking extensions though and haven't gotten any closer.
Not seeking anymore will sharpen the minds of those negotiation teams to actually get a deal sorted instead of leaning back knowing they don't have to bother for a bit.

[martin_p]

We keep seeking extensions though and haven't gotten any closer.
Not seeking anymore will sharpen the minds of those negotiation teams to actually get a deal sorted instead of leaning back knowing they don't have to bother for a bit.

We haven’t sought an extension to the transition period once. It ends on the date as defined in Theresa May’s original withdrawal agreement that assumed negotiations on a trade deal would start after we’d exited the EU on 29th March 2019. As we know we didn’t leave for another ten months and since we did the world has been somewhat preoccupied. Not to extend would be to deny the realities, recognised in the original WA, as to how long these things take (ignoring the fact that a global pandemic is also likely to hold things up somewhat).

[tiger76]

We keep seeking extensions though and haven't gotten any closer.
Not seeking anymore will sharpen the minds of those negotiation teams to actually get a deal sorted instead of leaning back knowing they don't have to bother for a bit.

We can only hope that proves to be the case, but to get a deal both sides will have to give on certain issues, now you may well be proven correct that as the prospect of the UK leaving without a deal nears, than minds will be concentrated, and some form of a deal will emerge, i wouldn't guarantee that it will be a fully fledged trade agreement though. but a deal that's avoid's economic catastrophe hitting is better than no deal.

[RingoMcCartney]

This is the Guardian confirming that the plant faced potential closure.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... nsequences


Nissan decision to stay in Sunderland averts ‘catastrophic’ consequences

The Japanese car company’s threat that it could quit the region over Brexit had, like the referendum itself, left an open wound in Sunderland.

Below is your response to the above post.

could, could, could, could, could, COULD

Do you see the key word here?

Class will resume once you've studied a dictionary.

Could you just clarify what you mean, when you say "could, could, could" please?

Could what, what, what what, what, WHAT, exactly?

[AndrewJB]

Your an avid remainer Andrew,i'm an avid leaver, however what we can both likely agree on, is a no deal would be disastrous to British

industry, this is why our government should adopt a common sense approach and extend the transition period, but their so obsessed with 'getting brexit done' that common sense appears to have gone out the window i'm afraid.

Yes - I think leaving without a deal will be bad for the country, however there are people for whom it will provide opportunities to make more money, some of whom are financial backers of the government and prime minister. The question is, whose interests will the PM serve?

If I were a leave supporter - and it would be so as to repatriate sovereignty back to the U.K. in order to forge a more independent path - then I wouldn’t be pleased at all with how things have gone over the last four years.

[martin_p]

This was your response to the above post.




Could you just clarify what you mean, when you say "could, could, could" please?

Could what, what, what what, what, WHAT, exactly?

Are you denying that Brexit could still see the Sunderland plant close, as stated by Nissan today, or are you claiming they are lying?

[RingoMcCartney]

I’m a remainer but I had no truck with protect fear - which really was just the remain side of the Tory Party plus a few other right wingers. I thought the remainers in opposition parties put forward cogent and positive reasons for remaining.

You seem a little fixated on the Nissan plant, but I suppose since the last four years have shown the Brexit promises to be lies as well, you’re promoting one instance of absence of damage to our economy, rather than “the easiest trade deal in history” or relief that now Turkey has become an EU member we won’t be swamped by them (actually that was project fear as well), or pointing out the sunlit uplands that we should be now on.

"Project fear "was just the Remain side of the tory party and a few right wingers"



More history rewriting!

Apart from the libdems, the SNP, the Guardian, the daily mirror, The People, The Observer , Mark Carney,
The Sunday Mail, the BBC, Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Alistair "confidence in the UK economy will evaporate overnight should we vote to leave, The treasury, Alistair Campbell and many trade unions leaders.

Yep! Apart from them and many more
"just the Remain side of the tory party and a few right wingers"



As for

David Cameron: "leave vote would be economic bomb for UK"

850 000 extra unemployed following a vote to leave , The Treasury assured us. Lie. Employment reached record levels

Emergency budget. Osborne. Lie. Didnt happen.

Possibly another emergency budget by Christmas - mark carney. Lie. Didnt happen

Stock market crash. Lie. Didnt happen

Siemens to leave.Lie. Didnt happen

Nissan to leave.Lie. Didnt happen and Sunderland set to be European HQ.

Housing market crash.Lie. Didnt happen

A "brexodous" of talent. Lie. Didnt happen

[martin_p]

Wrongo ignoring facts that don’t suit his narrative, nothing changes.

[RingoMcCartney]

Are you denying that Brexit could still see the Sunderland plant close, as stated by Nissan today, or are you claiming they are lying?

I'm not claiming they're lying. But its obvious that you'd be overjoyed if you could turn round, following the plant's closure, and gleefully boast, "see , I told you so!"

1000s of jobs lost so Marty could be proven right for once.

Pathetic really.

However, as things stand it me that's been proven right. Again. Sunderland to be Nissan European HQ! Fabulous news!

[martin_p]

I'm not claiming they're lying. But its obvious that you'd be overjoyed if you could turn round, following the plant's closure, and gleefully boast, "see , I told you so!"

1000s of jobs lost so Marty could be proven right for once.

Pathetic really.

However, as things stand it me that's been proven right. Again.

I’m not overjoyed by any of this. You’re the one getting a hard on about being ‘proven right’, you’re the one that wanted Brexit and all that it entails. Many of the things that haven’t happened are still possibilities if we don’t get a trade deal (or even if we do get one but it’s rubbish). Although we’ve left the EU we are still following all it’s rules and regulations so little has changed. If 1000s of jobs are lost because of Brexit, which even though you are ignoring it, is still a distinct possibility, I’ll be gutted for those involved but my conscience will be clear. Will yours?

[aggi]

As a paid up member of the Brexit party , late in the day , even I switched my vote to the tories. Practicalities and ensuring brexit got done were far more important than flaunting my ability to be ahead of the curve.

It worked!

Read and weap-


The United Kingdom left the European Union at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020. ..


Happy days!

I think someone has already made reference to "If you throw enough **** ..."

It's amusing how proud you are of being able to "predict" (if you don't count all of your wrong predictions obviously) something that most people could see coming.

I managed to make this prediction in September so I guess if I was that desperate for validation I could start telling everyone I'm mystic aggi

I reckon the plan is a general election ("forced" on Johnson by those dastardly rebels).

Election will be run on a politicians vs the people basis and return an increased majority (Brexit party will fail miserably).

The increased majority will end the reliance on the DUP which will mean Johnson can shift the backstop to NI only and leave on that basis.

[TheFamilyCat]

Below is your response to the above post.




Could you just clarify what you mean, when you say "could, could, could" please?

Could what, what, what what, what, WHAT, exactly?

Back again?

The 'could' quite clearly was in reference to the line "The Japanese car company’s threat that it could quit the region over Brexit" (I've underlined it if that helps).

Now, you have posted this link and highlighted this line "The Japanese car company’s threat that it could quit the region over Brexit" several times as evidence that it was widely claimed that the plant would close if the UK left the EU.

Do you see the difference?

And just in case you try to deny it and try claim I somehow made assumptions, I'll just leave these here again:

So the lie that Nissan would shut Sunderland if we had the temerity to vote "leave" was just one of a long line of lies that , thankfully, the majority of voters saw through.

Nissan to shut Sunderland.

"A vote to Leave would lead to the Nissan plant in sunderland closing" - Remoaners and their project fear prior to the 2016 Peoples Vote

Which of this evidence that voting leave would be economically disastrous for the UK, came true?....
....Nissan would Leave 

If you can point out which particular part of this you are struggling with, I will try to explain it more clearly (if that is possible).

I haven't even mentioned the fact that your not-so-smoking gun of evidence was written after the referendum so doesn't really fit your narrative of it being Project Fear.

[RingoMcCartney]

Wrongo ignoring facts that don’t suit his narrative, nothing changes.

My "narrative" is to chuffed for the hard working folk of Sunderland having a bright future in well paid jobs in what is about to become Nissan's European HQ. Despite what we were told before the referendum.

Your narrative is just to pour cold water on any good news in yet another rerun of pre-referendum-like fear mongering and pessimism.

Rather than jump to conclusions. Why not learn the harsh lesson of believing lies, 2016 should have taught you?. Which is, just wait and see what happens. Keep you pessimistic gun powder dry!

[Devils_Advocate]

Guess the poster???

[RingoMcCartney]

Back again?

The 'could' quite clearly was in reference to the line "The Japanese car company’s threat that it could quit the region over Brexit" (I've underlined it if that helps).

Now, you have posted this link and highlighted this line "The Japanese car company’s threat that it could quit the region over Brexit" several times as evidence that it was widely claimed that the plant would close if the UK left the EU.

Do you see the difference?

And just in case you try to deny it and try claim I somehow made assumptions, I'll just leave these here again:









If you can point out which particular part of this you are struggling with, I will try to explain it more clearly (if that is possible).

I haven't even mentioned the fact that your not-so-smoking gun of evidence was written after the referendum so doesn't really fit your narrative of it being Project Fear.

So, there was the threat of closure of the Nissan plant if we voted to leave the EU?

Yes or no?

[TheFamilyCat]

The pent up resentment is palpable!!

How dare I vote in a way that delivers the desired outcome!?

And boy did it!!

Its almost as if you, yourself, are barely able to hide your "desperate desire just to be seen to be on the winning side" for once!!

That desperation, even attempting to rewrite history, has only gotten you to one, consistent place. The losing side.!

Surely if you were a "paid up member" of the Brexit Party, then their vision of Brexit was the desired outcome? But you'll settle for second best if it means you can shout "I won!"

Your cowardly defection wasn't even required anyway:

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Glory hunter.

[martin_p]

My "narrative" is to chuffed for the hard working folk of Sunderland having a bright future in well paid jobs in what is about to become Nissan's European HQ. Despite what we were told before the referendum.

Your narrative is just to pour cold water on any good news in yet another rerun of pre-referendum-like fear mongering and pessimism.

Rather than jump to conclusions. Why not learn the harsh lesson of believing lies, 2016 should have taught you?. Which is, just wait and see what happens. Keep you pessimistic gun powder dry!

My ‘narrative’ is to report what the head of Nissan said today. Now I’m sure the people of Sunderland will have seen that and am pretty sure they won’t be celebrating anything yet, particularly with this shambles of a government seemingly intent on no deal. Plus if you’ve actually read the article on Barcelona closing and Sunderland not the head of Nissan stresses that Sunderland needs to become ‘more efficient’. It seems the best case for Nissan Sunderland at the moment is minimal job losses, but if you want to celebrate that knock yourself out.

[TheFamilyCat]

So, there was the threat of closure of the Nissan plant if we voted to leave the EU?

Yes or no?

The classic Ringo tactic: asking a closed question that moves the goalposts ever so slightly.

Well, I'm not playing.

Try again but this time ask me if anybody (other than you) said that the plant would close.

[RingoMcCartney]

Surely if you were a "paid up member" of the Brexit Party, then their vision of Brexit was the desired outcome? But you'll settle for second best if it means you can shout "I won!"

Your cowardly defection wasn't even required anyway:

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Glory hunter.

"Cowardly defection "



I've been barely able to show my face in public since the 31st of January 2020. When we left!!



The shame of it!



Get a grip!

[RingoMcCartney]

The classic Ringo tactic: asking a closed question that moves the goalposts ever so slightly.

Well, I'm not playing.

Try again but this time ask me if anybody (other than you) said that the plant would close.

You accused me of "cowardly defection"

Who's the one doing the embarrassing deflection!?




It's a very simple question given you've now admitted, "The Japanese car company’s threat that it could quit the region over Brexit" (I've underlined it if that helps)."

What would help is a very simple answer.


Was there a threat of closure of the Nissan plant if we voted to leave the EU?

Yes or no?

[evensteadiereddie]

Complete meltdown ! Love it. Smeg in tears.

Not been on the Bolton board to take the pi$$ out of their plight since they imploded, bud. There's no need, like you they are a complete joke. Hopeless, useless and desperate.

You, however, continue to run at least two accounts on here and why ? To toss yourself off over, deep breath, Brexit. Yes, Brexit.
Wow, that's really impressive especially in these circumstances.

If you're judging running accounts and the reasoning behind them Christ, I know which I'd prefer.

[RingoMcCartney]

Complete meltdown ! Love it. Smeg in tears.

Not been on the Bolton board to take the pi$$ out of their plight since they imploded, bud. There's no need, like you they are a complete joke. Hopeless, useless and desperate.

You, however, continue to run at least two accounts on here and why ? To toss yourself off over, deep breath, Brexit. Yes, Brexit.
Wow, that's really impressive especially in these circumstances.

If you're judging running accounts and the reasoning behind them Christ, I know which I'd prefer.

Fetch!!

[martin_p]

You accused me of "cowardly defection"

Who's the one doing the embarrassing deflection!?




It's a very simple question given you've now admitted, "The Japanese car company’s threat that it could quit the region over Brexit" (I've underlined it if that helps)."

What would help is a very simple answer.


Was there a threat of closure of the Nissan plant if we voted to leave the EU?

Yes or no?

Yes there was and there still is. But as others have pointed out you said that ‘project fear’ said the plant ‘would’ close down, which is a lie.

Here’s one for you.

There is a threat the Nissan plant in Sunderland could close down in the event of no, or a poor, trade deal.

Yes or no?

[TheFamilyCat]

You accused me of "cowardly defection"

Who's the one doing the embarrassing deflection!?




It's a very simple question given you've now admitted, "The Japanese car company’s threat that it could quit the region over Brexit" (I've underlined it if that helps)."

What would help is a very simple answer.


Was there a threat of closure of the Nissan plant if we voted to leave the EU?

Yes or no?

I'm not embarrassed.