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Re: Professional women!

Post by DCWat » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:26 am

Surely it’s a rare event, a female footballer being pregnant. Obviously they’re all lesbians!

In all seriousness, and as someone who doesn’t particularly enjoy watching women’s football, I think this is great news.

Ultimately, I hope it is, or can become, self-funding and who knows, as much as the women’s team may gain fans from the men’s team, the same could happen with support for the men’s team.

Burnley being seen to be progressive and welcoming will be no bad thing as we try to attract a wider following, be this at games or from an overseas ‘support’, which in turn will hopefully make Burnley FC more marketable.

I said on a previous thread that I don’t like the way that women’s football appears to be being pushed upon people and I stand by this. I hope that we can find a balance that works here.

A family day with men’s football and then women’s football was mentioned above. In principle that sounds a great idea. Quite how it might look if 90% of the crowd disappears after the men’s game, I’m not sure. That could actually send a contradictory message to the one that the club is trying to share.

Evolving times!

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Re: Professional women!

Post by MrTopTier » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:26 am

Top stuff Burnley. Well done.
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Re: Professional women!

Post by diamondpocket » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:33 am

Zlatan wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:17 am
It may have missed you’re attention but not so long back the captain of our men’s professional team also welcomed the arrival of a baby and due to the circumstances had to have time away from playing, albeit with a minor injury. I see no difference once the baby has arrived.

There is one point I would like to add though, it’s important to remember that equality does not infer equity.
what's our captain and his little baby's premature birth/health situation got to do with the price of fish, sorry? He wasn't nine months pregnant.
I'm all for the women's professional game if you havent already seen. Players should be able to have babies during their professional careers and then get back to playing once birth has been given, provided they can fulfill the elite performance required by their respective club. Just as all other lines of work. But it seems there is a stigma in the game for players wanting/getting pregnant.

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Re: Professional women!

Post by diamondpocket » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:34 am

DCWat wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:26 am
Surely it’s a rare event, a female footballer being pregnant. Obviously they’re all lesbians!

In all seriousness, and as someone who doesn’t particularly enjoy watching women’s football, I think this is great news.

Ultimately, I hope it is, or can become, self-funding and who knows, as much as the women’s team may gain fans from the men’s team, the same could happen with support for the men’s team.

Burnley being seen to be progressive and welcoming will be no bad thing as we try to attract a wider following, be this at games or from an overseas ‘support’, which in turn will hopefully make Burnley FC more marketable.

I said on a previous thread that I don’t like the way that women’s football appears to be being pushed upon people and I stand by this. I hope that we can find a balance that works here.

A family day with men’s football and then women’s football was mentioned above. In principle that sounds a great idea. Quite how it might look if 90% of the crowd disappears after the men’s game, I’m not sure. That could actually send a contradictory message to the one that the club is trying to share.

Evolving times!

haha nice one. That's why there's only 1% pregnancy rate, didn't think of that!
P.S. It's a joke people!!
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Re: Professional women!

Post by TsarBomba » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:35 am

DCWat wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:26 am
Surely it’s a rare event, a female footballer being pregnant. Obviously they’re all lesbians!

In all seriousness, and as someone who doesn’t particularly enjoy watching women’s football, I think this is great news.

Ultimately, I hope it is, or can become, self-funding and who knows, as much as the women’s team may gain fans from the men’s team, the same could happen with support for the men’s team.

Burnley being seen to be progressive and welcoming will be no bad thing as we try to attract a wider following, be this at games or from an overseas ‘support’, which in turn will hopefully make Burnley FC more marketable.

I said on a previous thread that I don’t like the way that women’s football appears to be being pushed upon people and I stand by this. I hope that we can find a balance that works here.

A family day with men’s football and then women’s football was mentioned above. In principle that sounds a great idea. Quite how it might look if 90% of the crowd disappears after the men’s game, I’m not sure. That could actually send a contradictory message to the one that the club is trying to share.

Evolving times!
How is women’s football ‘pushed upon people’? I’m intrigued?

I see a segment on Sky Sports News, and there’s a goals show after MOTD. That’s pretty much all I see. Unless I’m missing something?

Women’s football globally, is huge, and will only get bigger.

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Re: Professional women!

Post by SalisburyClaret » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:37 am

Women’s soccer is amazingly popular in the US so this is a good move in the plan to broaden our wider appeal

Also in the UK, coverage of the game is out of all proportion to it’s popularity so we may as well get our share of the media hype

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Re: Professional women!

Post by Hibsclaret » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:38 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:46 am
Read the fine print on your next season ticket, apparently its committing you to watching at least half of their games next season, or you have to forfeit your ST.
As long as they don’t force you to watch men’s cup ties, I’m fine with that
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Re: Professional women!

Post by CoolClaret » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:39 am

I'm very concerned- we have been siphoned with debt, ALK are looking at another club in Italy (Spezia I believe) now Pacey boy is waxing lyrical about all these great investments....

... let's not forget that women's football pretty much runs at a loss and we're in debt.

Someone please explain to me how investing in women's football is going to help Burnley football club in the foreseeable future

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Re: Professional women!

Post by Zlatan » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:42 am

diamondpocket wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:33 am
what's our captain and his little baby's premature birth/health situation got to do with the price of fish, sorry? He wasn't nine months pregnant.
I'm all for the women's professional game if you havent already seen. Players should be able to have babies during their professional careers and then get back to playing once birth has been given, provided they can fulfill the elite performance required by their respective club. Just as all other lines of work. But it seems there is a stigma in the game for players wanting/getting pregnant.

It's YOUR as well not YOU ARE (YOU'RE)!
yeah, thanks for that - highlighting an autocorrect issue, really helps contribute to the discussion.

For the record I've put in bold the errors in your post relating to grammar and spelling. Of course I'd need to highlight all your posts to show your other errors on the subject under discussion.
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Re: Professional women!

Post by leightonjameslegend » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:43 am

Wow, some of the comments! Whatever your opinion on the Women's Game it is growing.
In the states, it brings in more revenue than the men's game.

Pace and Co are trying to raise our global profile and also create new Burnley fans across the world. Absolutely the right move in my opinion. Ultimately it will bring in more revenue, exposure, and PR for the club. After what I would imagine would not be a huge investment.
Wouldn't be surprised to see some players crossing the pond to play for us once we are established.
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Re: Professional women!

Post by AlargeClaret » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:44 am

It’s nothing more than corporate box ticking and I’d expect us to follow those lines as a prem club . Yes women’s football is something of a nonsensical spectacle which wouldn’t even cover its petrol money if a standalone entity . That said there’s nothing wrong with it and long as it doesn’t cost us much it’s all good

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Re: Professional women!

Post by beddie » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:49 am

Well done to all concerned, it's good to see them progressing. Is their Manager Bertie's brother :D :D

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Re: Professional women!

Post by Hibsclaret » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:49 am

I’ll start by saying it is great news for us tbh. Helps us move forward because that’s what we all want.

The problem with comparing to how well it does in America is that America generally does not get the concept of sports where you have draws and the fact that a game with clear inferiority (in terms of skill levels) raises more revenue says more about the marketing than the product itself.

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Re: Professional women!

Post by Hibsclaret » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:49 am

beddie wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:49 am
Well done to all concerned, it's good to see them progressing. Is their Manager Bertie's brother :D :D
He got some tips from Bill Shankly

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Re: Professional women!

Post by Bosscat » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:51 am

Zlatan wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:42 am
yeah, thanks for that - highlighting an autocorrect issue, really helps contribute to the discussion.

For the record I've put in bold the errors in your post relating to grammar and spelling. Of course I'd need to highlight all your posts to show your other errors on the subject under discussion.
Brilliant Zlat 👍🤭👍 absolute classic 🤣

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Re: Professional women!

Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:53 am

DCWat wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:26 am
Surely it’s a rare event, a female footballer being pregnant. Obviously they’re all lesbians!

In all seriousness, and as someone who doesn’t particularly enjoy watching women’s football, I think this is great news.

Ultimately, I hope it is, or can become, self-funding and who knows, as much as the women’s team may gain fans from the men’s team, the same could happen with support for the men’s team.

Burnley being seen to be progressive and welcoming will be no bad thing as we try to attract a wider following, be this at games or from an overseas ‘support’, which in turn will hopefully make Burnley FC more marketable.

I said on a previous thread that I don’t like the way that women’s football appears to be being pushed upon people and I stand by this. I hope that we can find a balance that works here.

A family day with men’s football and then women’s football was mentioned above. In principle that sounds a great idea. Quite how it might look if 90% of the crowd disappears after the men’s game, I’m not sure. That could actually send a contradictory message to the one that the club is trying to share.

Evolving times!
If 90% left, it would mean 2k people staying.

They only get a handful of people watching at Padiham FC at the minute.

I don't think Dyche would allow them to play before a game and risk messing the pitch up.

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Re: Professional women!

Post by dibraidio » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:57 am

CoolClaret wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:39 am
I'm very concerned- we have been siphoned with debt, ALK are looking at another club in Italy (Spezia I believe) now Pacey boy is waxing lyrical about all these great investments....

... let's not forget that women's football pretty much runs at a loss and we're in debt.

Someone please explain to me how investing in women's football is going to help Burnley football club in the foreseeable future
Spezia has already been sold to Robert Platek for 22million euros, another American Investor backed by a loan from MSD. 22m euros is about what Liverpool wanted for Harry Wilson. In the transfer window Spezia turned down 10 million for one of their players. Sounds like a bargain.

I'm all for them building the Burnley brand. They can build a bigger sponsorship package for both teams I suppose. Women's football is massive in the US but it'll take time for them to build that team and get them to a decent level where they'll contribute to the overall brand.

I was half expecting them to announce a basketball team and an ice hockey team. That's what they've done in Salt Lake.

On the flip side, I won't be watching the women's football. I can't be bothered. I don't want to learn the "back story", I know nothing about the people involved, the stars, the history, the rivalries. In the same way as I can't be bothered following Serie A or the Bundesliga. There's just too much football out there and I don't have time to follow it all.
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Re: Professional women!

Post by NottsClaret » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:58 am

Good news, well done to the club. Hopefully inspires more girls in the area to get involved in the sport.

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Re: Professional women!

Post by daveisaclaret » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:59 am

Hibsclaret wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:49 am
I’ll start by saying it is great news for us tbh. Helps us move forward because that’s what we all want.

The problem with comparing to how well it does in America is that America generally does not get the concept of sports where you have draws and the fact that a game with clear inferiority (in terms of skill levels) raises more revenue says more about the marketing than the product itself.
The real problem is that women's soccer in America is already bigger and better than the WSL. It's the exact opposite of buying a Premier League club as an American. Aiming to have a second tier side in Burnley by 2025 will earn us exactly £0 ($0) from the American market.

I don't think it's a reason not to do it but I think we should be realistic about this. I would assume with their knowledge of the American markets our owners realise this even if their thinking elsewhere seems a bit pie in the sky.

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Re: Professional women!

Post by martin_p » Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:59 am

randomclaret2 wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:49 am
I do hope boring men who are interested in women's football don't feel the need to keep telling us so, though.
While the boring men who aren’t interested are allowed to drone on about it of course.

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Re: Professional women!

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:01 am

Grumps wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:12 am
....... Who didn't go to school, or even learn to read sentences before posting :lol: :lol:
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Re: Professional women!

Post by diamondpocket » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:02 am

Zlatan wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:42 am
yeah, thanks for that - highlighting an autocorrect issue, really helps contribute to the discussion.

For the record I've put in bold the errors in your post relating to grammar and spelling. Of course I'd need to highlight all your posts to show your other errors on the subject under discussion.
Sorry but FULFILL is correct above. Maybe check google before typing. Apologies if I mistook an auto-correct error, it's a common grammar error seen too often for my liking. Glad you felt my grammar contribution to the discussion helped, it seems to have rubbed off! :lol:
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Re: Professional women!

Post by dandeclaret » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:02 am

Was it Tori Amos that did the song Professional Women?

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Re: Professional women!

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:03 am

Wellsy1882 wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:12 am
*no wonder
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Re: Professional women!

Post by Venkys4eva » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:03 am

I think its really good news, I bet the Burnley womens team would of stuffed our starting 11 against Bournemouth :twisted:

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Re: Professional women!

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:03 am

Conroy92 wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:13 am
Spelling like that helps....
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Re: Professional women!

Post by StTedsOB » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:05 am

AlargeClaret wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:44 am
It’s nothing more than corporate box ticking and I’d expect us to follow those lines as a prem club . Yes women’s football is something of a nonsensical spectacle which wouldn’t even cover its petrol money if a standalone entity . That said there’s nothing wrong with it and long as it doesn’t cost us much it’s all good
Not like back in the day with you at the Kierby Hotel.
No time for them playing footy after that eh ?!!

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Re: Professional women!

Post by Falcon » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:06 am

Does Andy Payton's daughter still play for Burnley Women?

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Re: Professional women!

Post by DCWat » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:09 am

TsarBomba wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:35 am
How is women’s football ‘pushed upon people’? I’m intrigued?

I see a segment on Sky Sports News, and there’s a goals show after MOTD. That’s pretty much all I see. Unless I’m missing something?

Women’s football globally, is huge, and will only get bigger.
As a sport, it’s average match day support in this country, sits somewhere between non-league and league two. The coverage it is receiving, across various mediums, isn’t relative to the support it currently has. It’s from this perspective that I think it’s being pushed on the traditional fan of men’s football.

Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate that there have been a lot of hurdles for the women’s game that have hindered its progression, going back almost as far as the men’s game.

It will have a crossover of fans, but equally it will have its own distinct support. What I’d like to see is that the game is allowed to grow on its own and not necessarily on the back of the men’s game, in its own right.

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Re: Professional women!

Post by COBBLE » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:09 am

I listened to Neil, the Burnley FC CEO on Radio 4 this morning. I thought he spoke well about this and expanding interest in the club in the USA and the Far East. Fair play lets give it a try. Radio 4 OMG!

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Re: Professional women!

Post by Hipper » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:11 am

Manager Matt Bee. Surely no relation.....

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Re: Professional women!

Post by DCWat » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:11 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:53 am
If 90% left, it would mean 2k people staying.

They only get a handful of people watching at Padiham FC at the minute.

I don't think Dyche would allow them to play before a game and risk messing the pitch up.
I’m not suggesting that the crowd wouldn’t be better. I’m suggesting that it wouldn’t quite sell the inclusivity message if a significant proportion of the crowd upped and left because the men’s game had finished.

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Re: Professional women!

Post by BFCmaj » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:12 am

Grumps wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:12 am
....... Who didn't go to school, or even learn to read sentences before posting? :lol: :lol:
Fixed it for you.

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Re: Professional women!

Post by Stockbrokerbelt » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:16 am

Interesting to see that people are complaining about womens football when nearly all the big clubs in world football have womens teams, surely they can see the positives? It’s another team, transfer window & kit they can complain about............. :D

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Re: Professional women!

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:18 am

Stockbrokerbelt wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:16 am
Interesting to see that people are complaining about womens football when nearly all the big clubs in world football have womens teams, surely they can see the positives? It’s another team, transfer window & kit they can complain about............. :D
:D womens football transfer deadline day could be a really exciting day for some

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Post by Grumps » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:21 am

BFCmaj wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:12 am
Fixed it for you.
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Re: Professional women!

Post by Tribesmen » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:22 am

Wonderful news it really is .
Fair play to the Yanks this is the way ther club should be moving and now we are on it .

Hope the Ladies get better and better , as one poster said above anything Burnley will do for me .

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Re: Professional women!

Post by NewClaret » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:37 am

Cannot believe some of the comments on here.

Women football is definitely on the up, domestically and internationally. We have some catching up to do and need to do it quickly.

In terms of quality, clearly it's not at the level of the mens game, but when I watch the odd professional match I'm always amazed how the quality has increased. You get some decent, attractive stuff.

I recently went to watch a local grass roots girls team (my son wanted to go after his game) and was amazed at the quality of the football they were playing. Having just watched my son's team, albeit a year below, the girls were miles ahead.

Love the idea of having the matches on the turf before/after a mens game. Should also be free on Clarets Player.
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Re: Professional women!

Post by CoolClaret » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:49 am

The club is now in debt 95 million quid and all the talk is about all these marvellous new investments.

Fact of the matter, the women's super league does not return a profit, we're a relatively small club and right now IMO shouldn't even be anywhere near the top of our priority list

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Post by tim_noone » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:50 am

StTedsOB wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:05 am
Not like back in the day with you at the Kierby Hotel.
No time for them playing footy after that eh ?!!
Keirby Hotel. :D UTC Ladies!!

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Re: Professional women!

Post by NewClaret » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:54 am

Boss Hogg wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:49 am
Diverting any funding away from the mens’s team could mean even less entertainment than now.
What mens team funding is that?

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Post by Zlatan » Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:04 pm

diamondpocket wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:02 am
Sorry but FULFILL is correct above. Maybe check google before typing. Apologies if I mistook an auto-correct error, it's a common grammar error seen too often for my liking. Glad you felt my grammar contribution to the discussion helped, it seems to have rubbed off! :lol:
You're the sort of person who shouts abuse from the top deck of the bus at the people on the pavement to look hard in front of your mates and then hides when the bus stops, in case someone gets on that you've just shouted at.

Good luck in life, I wish you no ill.
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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:09 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:04 pm
You're the sort of person who shouts abuse from the top deck of the bus at the people on the pavement to look hard in front of your mates and then hides when the bus stops, in case someone gets on that you've just shouted at.

Good luck in life, I wish you no ill.
:D :D

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Re: Professional women!

Post by Volvoclaret » Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:09 pm

Really disappointed, thought this was about another type of professional ladies
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Re: Professional women!

Post by Falcon » Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:11 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:49 am
The club is now in debt 95 million quid and all the talk is about all these marvellous new investments.
[Citation needed]

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Re: Professional women!

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:29 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:49 am
The club is now in debt 95 million quid and all the talk is about all these marvellous new investments.

Fact of the matter, the women's super league does not return a profit, we're a relatively small club and right now IMO shouldn't even be anywhere near the top of our priority list
Growth in revenue streams and raising the profile of the club in different ways....

Apart from that, you're bang on the money :lol:

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Re: Professional women!

Post by TsarBomba » Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:36 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:37 am
Cannot believe some of the comments on here.

Women football is definitely on the up, domestically and internationally. We have some catching up to do and need to do it quickly.

In terms of quality, clearly it's not at the level of the mens game, but when I watch the odd professional match I'm always amazed how the quality has increased. You get some decent, attractive stuff.

I recently went to watch a local grass roots girls team (my son wanted to go after his game) and was amazed at the quality of the football they were playing. Having just watched my son's team, albeit a year below, the girls were miles ahead.

Love the idea of having the matches on the turf before/after a mens game. Should also be free on Clarets Player.
This is going back 15-20+ years, but when my Sunday League team had finished our game, we stayed behind and watched a girls game on the next pitch.

I played for a good team, but this girls team, and I’m not sure who they were, were better than us. By a country mile.

Just as good on the ball, but you could see they were far more committed and disciplined. They were organised and took it seriously. Even if it was just Sunday league football, there was none of this turning up half cut from the night before. It opened my eyes, for sure.

Perhaps it’s the constantly having to prove people wrong.

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Re: Professional women!

Post by agreenwood » Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:43 pm

Captain Caveman is alive and well and he has multiple UTC accounts.
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Re: Professional women!

Post by Inchy » Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:03 pm

If the club believe funding a women’s team will increase brand exposure and increase female visitors to the men’s game then it’s worth it for the minimal cost of running the team.

I do find it bizarre though that male professional football clubs are propping up the female game when clearly it doesn’t have the audience to be professional. There is nothing wrong with women’s football being amateur if that’s it’s level.

I’m not a Neanderthal. I don’t mind women’s football. One of the most exciting games of football I have ever watched was a women’s game at the London olympics (GB vs Brazil).
I don’t mind female pundits and commentators. Alex Scott is one of the best in the business. I just don’t think it’s helpful to push an amateur sport to the professional level by using the male game to prop it up. As soon as we go down it will more than likely go.

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