You asked if I’d be happy if we went down?summitclaret wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:27 pmWhere did I say it would be to blame for any relegation?
Do you remember the atmosphere on the Turf for the last game of the 09/10 season? We were already down, but it was one of the best we have ever had.
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I have been on this message board before and said to take things 'one game at a time'. Well on this subject, the best approach to take is 'one day at a time'. A lot can happen between now and June. I would prefer it if we started with allowing people into football grounds at the start of next season. Let's use occasions like the FA Cup Final and Playoff finals as test events to see how things go with allowing supporters into football stadia. I'm hoping that the first couple of fixtures of next season are kind to Burnley and we get a couple of big teams coming to the turf so that we can make the place as noisy as possible.
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Caution is always sensible. But the reality is that 99% of people most susceptible will largely be vaccinated in the coming weeks.leelad wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:12 pmI have been on this message board before and said to take things 'one game at a time'. Well on this subject, the best approach to take is 'one day at a time'. A lot can happen between now and June. I would prefer it if we started with allowing people into football grounds at the start of next season. Let's use occasions like the FA Cup Final and Playoff finals as test events to see how things go with allowing supporters into football stadia. I'm hoping that the first couple of fixtures of next season are kind to Burnley and we get a couple of big teams coming to the turf so that we can make the place as noisy as possible.
There’s so many benefits to that.
Obviously the main risk then becomes mutations. But as the pool to infect gets smaller the risk of that also diminishes.
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Good points, cricketfieldclarets.
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If they do allow fans in for the last game if the season then to be fair they need to allow 50% home and 50% away fans. I would think it would be more sensible to just wait until next season.
Let’s be positive though that we can now see a return to something we’ve missed for so long.
Let’s be positive though that we can now see a return to something we’ve missed for so long.
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It's been a bit of a blessing this season missing the home games.
Next seasons ticket now feels free, so even if we serve up similar dross it wont feel like we have paid.
Also the long awaited return might actually make it seem quite enjoyable for a while should it be similar to this sessons home form.
Might work in our favour
Next seasons ticket now feels free, so even if we serve up similar dross it wont feel like we have paid.
Also the long awaited return might actually make it seem quite enjoyable for a while should it be similar to this sessons home form.
Might work in our favour
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I reckon it will be a carnival atmosphere at every ground for that first game back. After so long away it will be amazing just to be there, no matter how the team is faring.
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Maybe that’s a good enough reason to do away with the idea of a staged return to grounds and let them open when all fans can return
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They'll be plenty of room at turf moor after so many have said they don't want to watch us anymore
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I’m in favour of a ‘Covid vaccination pass’ which enables those who have been vaccinated to return to watch live football, go to the pub etc etc
Ok, those who haven’t been vaccinated will have to wait another three or four more months to get back to relative normality but why should those who have been vaccinated have to wait as well?
It is scientifically irrational.
Ok, those who haven’t been vaccinated will have to wait another three or four more months to get back to relative normality but why should those who have been vaccinated have to wait as well?
It is scientifically irrational.
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It wont even make much of a difference though. Like I posted earlier.TheOriginalLongsider wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:05 amIf they do allow fans in for the last game if the season then to be fair they need to allow 50% home and 50% away fans. I would think it would be more sensible to just wait until next season.
Let’s be positive though that we can now see a return to something we’ve missed for so long.
Last four away fixtures in front of fans:
Man Utd - 73k Won.
Southampton - 26k Won
Newcastle - 52k Drew
Arsenal (return of fans, 4k) Won
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Thats like arguing why are those of us in the low risk category sacrificing so much for those who have the audacity to be old or unwell.Mala591 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:53 amI’m in favour of a ‘Covid vaccination pass’ which enables those who have been vaccinated to return to watch live football, go to the pub etc etc
Ok, those who haven’t been vaccinated will have to wait another three or four more months to get back to relative normality but why should those who have been vaccinated have to wait as well?
It is scientifically irrational.
As above, in the next few weeks almost all of the 99+% most vulnerable will be fully protected. Meaning even if it is spreading like wildfire in Summer and Autumn, the relative risk is significantly lower.
I think part of the thinking is once the most vulnerable are protected they will resume the herd immunity strategy in lower risk groups knowing said groups are going to be harder to convince to vaccinate anyway. They wont admit that. But that will definitely be part of the logic for this commitment to reopen in summer.
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There will be plenty of people not renewing or coming back unfortunately. Not just the ones on here you want to have a dig at.
People not in the financial position to come back, people who have passed away, people who got out of the habit, people who have got bored of football on the telly and realised what a sterile product it is.
Most people are missing the day out with friends and family rather than the football but a big new signing could reignite a few people's passion for the game.
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You will be surprised.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:07 amThere will be plenty of people not renewing or coming back unfortunately. Not just the ones on here you want to have a dig at.
People not in the financial position to come back, people who have passed away, people who got out of the habit, people who have got bored of football on the telly and realised what a sterile product it is.
Most people are missing the day out with friends and family rather than the football but a big new signing could reignite a few people's passion for the game.
There will be loads of people desperate to get on.
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Big decisions by the new owners to make regarding future pricing.
The return to normality is not going to be like turning a switch on and off , the idea of crowds being the size we had before is not going to be realised for some time
The return to normality is not going to be like turning a switch on and off , the idea of crowds being the size we had before is not going to be realised for some time
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Of course there will be. But we will have to attract a hell of a lot of new fans to keep gates as they were.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:09 amYou will be surprised.
There will be loads of people desperate to get on.
I'm sure I remember the ticket office spokesperson saying we had to find 3k new fans every year to replace the old ones and that was when we had gates of 10/12k.
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Absolutely nonsense.Mala591 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:53 amI’m in favour of a ‘Covid vaccination pass’ which enables those who have been vaccinated to return to watch live football, go to the pub etc etc
Ok, those who haven’t been vaccinated will have to wait another three or four more months to get back to relative normality but why should those who have been vaccinated have to wait as well?
It is scientifically irrational.
So millions of young people and by young I mean under 30s possibly 40s have had their lives put on hold for a virus that wouldn’t effect them but to protect the elderly and vulnerable. (I have no issue with that btw)
But you’re okay with them carry on the restrictions for no reason because all those elderly and vulnerable would be vaccinated. So all those we helped protect can do what they want whilst I have to still live under restrictions.
Absolute nonsense.
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generally I agree with what you've stated, but I would err on the side of caution in regards to "pool to infect". Being vaccinated does not mean that you wont get the virus, but it it is likely to reduce the effects of it for you. Once everyone is vaccinated, the virus will still likely be as easy to spread as before, it just means that those who get it will not necessarily keel over and die. That said, I have seen studies where the Pfizer vaccine has significantly reduced the chance of contracting the virus, but it is too early to assume that this is the case.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:24 pmCaution is always sensible. But the reality is that 99% of people most susceptible will largely be vaccinated in the coming weeks.
There’s so many benefits to that.
Obviously the main risk then becomes mutations. But as the pool to infect gets smaller the risk of that also diminishes.
I've had mine weeks ago, and I am still being urged to shield.
Anyway, before the thread gets pulled, I really do think it will be fantastic to get back into the CFS - I'll buy you a pint if you like and we can have a good laugh mate, then cheer on the team.
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Let’s not get too emotive about this. We all have to eventually re integrate together and that includes with those who we either think did or did not help in managing this virus. It’s very early doors yet in this process and much has still to be done in this country to fight it.
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Having a dig? People have said they won't be going, something you agree with, it's a fact, not a dig.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:07 amThere will be plenty of people not renewing or coming back unfortunately. Not just the ones on here you want to have a dig at.
People not in the financial position to come back, people who have passed away, people who got out of the habit, people who have got bored of football on the telly and realised what a sterile product it is.
Most people are missing the day out with friends and family rather than the football but a big new signing could reignite a few people's passion for the game.
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Equally there will be loads that aren't.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:09 amYou will be surprised.
There will be loads of people desperate to get on.
As stated, people get out of the habit, filled that time with things they're enjoying and if they live a distance away, less costly.
It may be a while before some people return, if at all.
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This whole argument is purely hypothetical.
I reckon first game of new season will be a full house, but proof will be in the pudding.
I reckon first game of new season will be a full house, but proof will be in the pudding.
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A few of my mates who don't go regularly any more are talking about wanting to get back on. How long they last remains to be seen. If next season turns into another grim battle for survival I expect the novelty will wear off pretty quickly.
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Without wishing to sound like a super fan, I will be going back on the Turf no matter when we’re finally given the green light and no matter which league we find ourselves in.
It’s of the biggest aspects of my life and I’ve missed everything about it. I didn’t realise just how important it is to me before this horrific situation prevented us from doing it.
It’s of the biggest aspects of my life and I’ve missed everything about it. I didn’t realise just how important it is to me before this horrific situation prevented us from doing it.
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Same for me, I can’t wait to get back on.
I’m sure there will be some who will be hesitant at first, hopefully things will continue to improve and they’ll feel more confident eventually.
To be honest I’ve not spoken to anyone who’s of the thought that it’s made them realise they don’t care anymore.
I’m sure there will be some who will be hesitant at first, hopefully things will continue to improve and they’ll feel more confident eventually.
To be honest I’ve not spoken to anyone who’s of the thought that it’s made them realise they don’t care anymore.
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You sound like a normal fan to me and I love your sentiment that you will support the club whatever happens in the future.ksrclaret wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:54 pmWithout wishing to sound like a super fan, I will be going back on the Turf no matter when we’re finally given the green light and no matter which league we find ourselves in.
It’s of the biggest aspects of my life and I’ve missed everything about it. I didn’t realise just how important it is to me before this horrific situation prevented us from doing it.
Yes life changing times , I bet even the old man who sits in the corner of the pub continually grumbling about everything is being missed by someone .
Just been talking on the phone about match day experiences , who wouldn’t miss the 101 things that go with the experience . Friends shouting over to people they haven’t met in a long time, scarfed up kids proudly holding their mum and dads hands, the smell of the burger van..... its hard to stop thinking about it when it comes into your mind. Like now. UTC forever
Things will return to normal but it will take time.
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Premier League debating the 'fairness' of allowing home fans in for the last game of the season.
Not guaranteed yet even if the numbers stack up.
Not guaranteed yet even if the numbers stack up.
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I get the ‘out of habit’ argument but it’s not like there’s been much else to replace this with! Personally cannot wait to get back on the turf obviously for the football but also the social side of meeting up with friends and family.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:50 amEqually there will be loads that aren't.
As stated, people get out of the habit, filled that time with things they're enjoying and if they live a distance away, less costly.
It may be a while before some people return, if at all.
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Just leave it till next season, no point for one game.gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:05 pmPremier League debating the 'fairness' of allowing home fans in for the last game of the season.
Not guaranteed yet even if the numbers stack up.
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Young kids are going to be 16-18 mths older for example, those kids may not be into football.Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:16 pmI get the ‘out of habit’ argument but it’s not like there’s been much else to replace this with! Personally cannot wait to get back on the turf obviously for the football but also the social side of meeting up with friends and family.
Also getting out of the habit of traveling for a lot of people will make a difference.
There may be some people who've unfortunately lost loved ones during this pandemic and their priorities have shifted.
For some it may be they've got something new to occupy their time, hobbies etc.
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I've never got out of the habit.. And probably never will, and I do agree with the social side of it. There are six of us go who see each other away from football, but we meet up with about 10 others who we only see at the football, so I haven't seen them for a year, none of them live close to us, so roll on next seasonSteve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:16 pmI get the ‘out of habit’ argument but it’s not like there’s been much else to replace this with! Personally cannot wait to get back on the turf obviously for the football but also the social side of meeting up with friends and family.
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I don’t get the other “priority” stuff.
What possibly could they have done over the past 12 months that is only available to do when there’s a Burnley game on?
What possibly could they have done over the past 12 months that is only available to do when there’s a Burnley game on?
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I think short term there'll be a rise in attendances, both home and away before the novelty wears off again and it goes back to broadly how it was before covid. The diehards will still be diehards and the people who are generally happy to watch on TV and attend the odd game will still be happy doing that.
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My daughter is 5, nearly 6 and isn't going to be attending football games for a while yet.
My weekends off work are spent with her, just for an example of a priority.
Like I said, we don't know what else has gone on in peoples lives during this pandemic.
Some people have lost jobs, changed jobs etc.
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ON THE PITCH!!!!!!gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:05 pmPremier League debating the 'fairness' of allowing home fans in for the last game of the season.
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The Premier League clubs are to vote on whether they will allow fans into the last game of the season - from the Guardian
Premier League to vote on allowing fans back for final game of the season
Restrictions due to end in time for 23 May
Move would require approval from 14 of 20 clubs
Sean Ingle - Tue 23 Feb 2021 19.29 GMT
Premier League clubs are to vote on whether to allow fans back for the final day of the season with concerns that home teams could have an significant advantage in the battle for European places and the relegation fight.
Boris Johnson announced the government’s post-lockdown plans on Monday and up to 10,000 spectators could be let into grounds on 23 May, when Fulham are due to play Newcastle at Craven Cottage in what is potentially a relegation decider, and Brighton – currently fifth from bottom – travel to Arsenal. Spurs visit eighth-placed Aston Villa for a match that could be key to Europa League qualification.
Premier League sources said they were consulting with clubs, and confirmed that a vote to allow fans would need the approval of 14 of the 20 clubs at a shareholders meeting.
One potential solution is for pilot matches to be staged from mid-April as part of the government’s test events programme. Such a move could allow between 2,000 and 4,000 fans back inside grounds, although Premier League and government sources stressed much would depend on how smoothly the earlier phases of the lockdown easing measures went.
There is also expected to be an application from the EFL for the Carabao Cup final on 25 April at Wembley to have fans as a pilot event. However, one senior source expressed scepticism, given the number of Manchester City fans that could travel to see them play Spurs.
Meanwhile, the chief executive of Lancashire County Cricket Club, Daniel Gidney, has urged the government to allow the return of spectators for the County Championship. “Cricket is a perfect audience because a lot of them will have been vaccinated,” he said, adding that it was important pilots or trails were not restricted to football.
“I want to be able to get members back watching county championship in April – not in huge numbers but we need to get those pilots away,” he said. “Let’s give the government the data so we don’t rush in blind on 17 May. If you have 500 people going into a store – or 500 in a massive beer garden – how is that different to 500 watching in a cricket ground?”
From 17 May venues will be allowed to have up to 10,000 or 25% of capacity, whichever is smaller, and restrictions will be eased further after 21 June.
While the prospect of a 90,000 capacity crowd inside Wembley for the Euro 2020 final on 12 July remains unlikely – especially given most fans will be using public transport – the hope is that a series of pilots will be able to show attending sport events is safe, especially once all adults have had their Covid vaccinations.
Premier League to vote on allowing fans back for final game of the season
Restrictions due to end in time for 23 May
Move would require approval from 14 of 20 clubs
Sean Ingle - Tue 23 Feb 2021 19.29 GMT
Premier League clubs are to vote on whether to allow fans back for the final day of the season with concerns that home teams could have an significant advantage in the battle for European places and the relegation fight.
Boris Johnson announced the government’s post-lockdown plans on Monday and up to 10,000 spectators could be let into grounds on 23 May, when Fulham are due to play Newcastle at Craven Cottage in what is potentially a relegation decider, and Brighton – currently fifth from bottom – travel to Arsenal. Spurs visit eighth-placed Aston Villa for a match that could be key to Europa League qualification.
Premier League sources said they were consulting with clubs, and confirmed that a vote to allow fans would need the approval of 14 of the 20 clubs at a shareholders meeting.
One potential solution is for pilot matches to be staged from mid-April as part of the government’s test events programme. Such a move could allow between 2,000 and 4,000 fans back inside grounds, although Premier League and government sources stressed much would depend on how smoothly the earlier phases of the lockdown easing measures went.
There is also expected to be an application from the EFL for the Carabao Cup final on 25 April at Wembley to have fans as a pilot event. However, one senior source expressed scepticism, given the number of Manchester City fans that could travel to see them play Spurs.
Meanwhile, the chief executive of Lancashire County Cricket Club, Daniel Gidney, has urged the government to allow the return of spectators for the County Championship. “Cricket is a perfect audience because a lot of them will have been vaccinated,” he said, adding that it was important pilots or trails were not restricted to football.
“I want to be able to get members back watching county championship in April – not in huge numbers but we need to get those pilots away,” he said. “Let’s give the government the data so we don’t rush in blind on 17 May. If you have 500 people going into a store – or 500 in a massive beer garden – how is that different to 500 watching in a cricket ground?”
From 17 May venues will be allowed to have up to 10,000 or 25% of capacity, whichever is smaller, and restrictions will be eased further after 21 June.
While the prospect of a 90,000 capacity crowd inside Wembley for the Euro 2020 final on 12 July remains unlikely – especially given most fans will be using public transport – the hope is that a series of pilots will be able to show attending sport events is safe, especially once all adults have had their Covid vaccinations.
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I agree entirely.cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:09 amYou will be surprised.
There will be loads of people desperate to get on.
On any one Matchday there will be ST holders and then a % of fans that don’t attend every game. I think what you’ll find is that they’ll all be keen to get back and that will create an increase in demand.
I think we’ll all have lost 18 months of good days out, memories, time with friends and family, and of course the excitement of the atmosphere and football. I for one cannot wait and will also be aiming to go to a lot more away games once allowed.
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Completely agree.Dyched wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:31 amAbsolutely nonsense.
So millions of young people and by young I mean under 30s possibly 40s have had their lives put on hold for a virus that wouldn’t effect them but to protect the elderly and vulnerable. (I have no issue with that btw)
But you’re okay with them carry on the restrictions for no reason because all those elderly and vulnerable would be vaccinated. So all those we helped protect can do what they want whilst I have to still live under restrictions.
Absolute nonsense.
The basic issue here is that the most vulnerable to Covid in society are in the age category that are retired (shielders aside). So many have given up so much to protect these parts of society it would be criminal to then allow more freedoms those that have (rightly) been prioritised for vaccination first.
I don’t really like the idea of vaccine passports full stop, but accept they’re likely to be needed in certain scenarios- maybe international travel and mass gatherings like football matches - in which case you can’t introduce them until all members of society have been offered the vaccine.
There will be many
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I’ve no issue with Vaccine passports from another countries point of view. Say Italy for example. If they want to run with Covid passports that’s fine by me. That will happen with the figures for the UK. Many countries will be far stricter for UK citizens than say New Zealand for example.NewClaret wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:18 amCompletely agree.
The basic issue here is that the most vulnerable to Covid in society are in the age category that are retired (shielders aside). So many have given up so much to protect these parts of society it would be criminal to then allow more freedoms those that have (rightly) been prioritised for vaccination first.
I don’t really like the idea of vaccine passports full stop, but accept they’re likely to be needed in certain scenarios- maybe international travel and mass gatherings like football matches - in which case you can’t introduce them until all members of society have been offered the vaccine.
There will be many
I am however very against any Vaccine passport/ticket introduce by our own government when society opens back up.
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By next season every adult will have been offered the jab.NewClaret wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:18 amCompletely agree.
The basic issue here is that the most vulnerable to Covid in society are in the age category that are retired (shielders aside). So many have given up so much to protect these parts of society it would be criminal to then allow more freedoms those that have (rightly) been prioritised for vaccination first.
I don’t really like the idea of vaccine passports full stop, but accept they’re likely to be needed in certain scenarios- maybe international travel and mass gatherings like football matches - in which case you can’t introduce them until all members of society have been offered the vaccine.
There will be many
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Correct, but I was responding to this comment:
"Ok, those who haven’t been vaccinated will have to wait another three or four more months to get back to relative normality but why should those who have been vaccinated have to wait as well?"
So my context was in the context that we can't bring them in until everyone has been offered.
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Even positive news ends up negative on here.
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Just seen that the penultimate games could be pushed back from the weekend to midweek to allow all teams to have some fans back before the end of the season
Know some of initial comments were that it was “unfair” that only half the teams would have had fans, but I still don’t think it’s worth it just for a single game
Know some of initial comments were that it was “unfair” that only half the teams would have had fans, but I still don’t think it’s worth it just for a single game
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I agree it's not worth messing around with ballots for just the one game, along with the safety/social distancing measures clubs will have to take.
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For once I don’t think it’s the usual posters practising their negativity ( well to be good at it you have to practice)
While many have kept their enthusiasm like you, many more have reached the stage that they can’t get excited about it so close to the end of the league season
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As soon as there shut the turnstiles some people’s enthusiasm was shot at whatever the stage of the season, for some people it’s more than just a game of football it’s also the opportunity to socialise with family & friends you wouldn’t normally see.Elizabeth wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:41 pmFor once I don’t think it’s the usual posters practising their negativity ( well to be good at it you have to practice)
While many have kept their enthusiasm like you, many more have reached the stage that they can’t get excited about it so close to the end of the league season
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I want to be able to see my son as soon as poss..........can’t wait.
Then match day with him.............I think they should sod this season for fans now and gear up to next season.......one back all back!!!
Then match day with him.............I think they should sod this season for fans now and gear up to next season.......one back all back!!!
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Find a fiver and moan it’s not £10
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Re: Fans to return
The Premier League are negotiating with the government to offer a 4k trial attendance to all PL games in April - and, presumably, until the next phase starts in mid-Maywilks_bfc wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:29 pmJust seen that the penultimate games could be pushed back from the weekend to midweek to allow all teams to have some fans back before the end of the season
Know some of initial comments were that it was “unfair” that only half the teams would have had fans, but I still don’t think it’s worth it just for a single game