Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

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Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by ClaretLoup » Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:13 pm

Some rare colour footage of Burnley vs Manchester United at Turf Moor 19th April 1957 a Good Friday fixture

https://vimeo.com/254322775?fbclid=IwAR ... XVEHyjo4i8

I lifted this via Facebook from the Clarets Bar pages.

The game was the first of three in four days against the Champions Elect, the Busby Babes. Burnley played Manchester City at home the day after
and then United on Easter Monday at Old Trafford. United won the league by some distance ( 8 points ) and scored 103 goals.

Burnley lost all three of those fixtures, 1 - 3, 0 -3 and 0 - 2 respectively. Interestingly the Clarets built their success in this period on their mean defence, so to concede three goals in a match was unusual and especially vs City who were relegation candidates. It was Burnley's first home loss of the season, Burnley finished seventh, 18 points behind Man Utd., scoring only 56 goals but conceding four fewer.

The team was McDonald Angus (18 at the time) Winton Seith Adamson Miller (20) Newlands Jimmy Mac. Shackleton Cheeseborough and Pilkington

It was the same team the day after and on Monday Lawson replaced Shackleton.

The attendances were interesting, 37,832 Burnley' highest home attendance of the season, the day after it was down to 16746 for the City game and the week after only 12,048 for the last home game vs Spurs.
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Re: Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by lewishamclaret » Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:30 pm

Fantastic footage- thanks for posting. Not seen that before I don’t think. Great shots of a packed beehole end and long side. V good quality for 1957.

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Re: Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by groove » Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:45 pm

Great footage thanks for sharing 👍

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Re: Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:54 pm

Cheers for that.
Anybody know the history of the CFS supports? They are in the stand on the video. Later Ray Pointer ran into one when they weren’t. Not being an engineer I’d guess they took the crowd back a bit and exposed them. Because of Pointers accident were they then wrapped or moved again?

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Re: Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by CleggHall » Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:57 pm

Thanks nice film, what a crowd!
Burnley team a mixed bag in the run up to the 59/60 Championship, 10 months later United downed at Munich.

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Re: Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by Royboyclaret » Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:19 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:54 pm
Cheers for that.
Anybody know the history of the CFS supports? They are in the stand on the video. Later Ray Pointer ran into one when they weren’t. Not being an engineer I’d guess they took the crowd back a bit and exposed them. Because of Pointers accident were they then wrapped or moved again?
Huw.....the answer to your question is the perimeter wall was moved back at the end of the 1960/61 season. For a more detailed explanation, take a look at the Burnley FC in Pictures thread (Page 12 about two-thirds of the way down).
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Re: Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:36 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:19 pm
Huw.....the answer to your question is the perimeter wall was moved back at the end of the 1960/61 season. For a more detailed explanation, take a look at the Burnley FC in Pictures thread (Page 12 about two-thirds of the way down).
Cheers, Royboy. I knew you wouldn’t let me down. I’ll go and check now.

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Re: Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by Wile E Coyote » Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:46 pm

That was great to see. such a poignant piece of film in many ways.

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Re: Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by FCBurnley » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:07 am

Sam Hanna was my woodwork teacher at BGS. Nice guy but I hated woodwork

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Re: Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by mdd2 » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:59 am

I was in the CFS for that United game directly behind the goal; they were head and shoulders above us.

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Re: Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by superdimitri » Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:57 am

Does anyone think it's possible to attract that many fans again? Supposing we had a new stadium of course.

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Re: Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:05 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:19 pm
Huw.....the answer to your question is the perimeter wall was moved back at the end of the 1960/61 season. For a more detailed explanation, take a look at the Burnley FC in Pictures thread (Page 12 about two-thirds of the way down).
I knew it had been discussed before

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Re: Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by Vino blanco » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:38 pm

I was on the game, being ten years old at the time. It brings back incredible memories of the time: this was the team I first knew, McDonald, Seith, Newlands, Pilky etc. little did I know what was round the corner.
Sam Hannah also taught me woodwork in my last year at the old Grammer School in town: I remember we had to walk down from the school to a small building in the he center somewhere for our woodwork lessons. I was useless at the subject and Sam once held up one of my poorer efforts to show the rest of the class saying "In all my years of teaching woodwork at Burnley Grammer School, I have never seen anything as bad as that". I felt quite proud in a strange sort of way.
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Re: Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by ClaretLoup » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:21 pm

Vino, can you remember if United had already won the title when they turned up for this match?

Also did you also go to the City game the day after? How come they lost only their second home match to such lowly opponents?

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Re: Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:27 pm

ClaretLoup wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:21 pm
Vino, can you remember if United had already won the title when they turned up for this match?
They hadn't - was still possible for three teams to pass them

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Re: Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:28 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:38 pm
I was on the game, being ten years old at the time. It brings back incredible memories of the time: this was the team I first knew, McDonald, Seith, Newlands, Pilky etc. little did I know what was round the corner.
Sam Hannah also taught me woodwork in my last year at the old Grammer School in town: I remember we had to walk down from the school to a small building in the he center somewhere for our woodwork lessons. I was useless at the subject and Sam once held up one of my poorer efforts to show the rest of the class saying "In all my years of teaching woodwork at Burnley Grammer School, I have never seen anything as bad as that". I felt quite proud in a strange sort of way.
Hannah taught me woodwork at BGS too and I was useless. Maybe it was him then. :D

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Re: Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by StuffyClaret » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:41 pm

Bring back the days of wearing a flat cap, jacket and tie to the game :shock:

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Re: Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by exilecanada » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:43 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:38 pm
I was on the game, being ten years old at the time. It brings back incredible memories of the time: this was the team I first knew, McDonald, Seith, Newlands, Pilky etc. little did I know what was round the corner.
Sam Hannah also taught me woodwork in my last year at the old Grammer School in town: I remember we had to walk down from the school to a small building in the he center somewhere for our woodwork lessons. I was useless at the subject and Sam once held up one of my poorer efforts to show the rest of the class saying "In all my years of teaching woodwork at Burnley Grammer School, I have never seen anything as bad as that". I felt quite proud in a strange sort of way.
I've no intention of hijacking the thread, but I found your last sentence amusing. I'm around your age and back in those days it wasn't unusual for a teacher to chastise a pupil for whatever reason. These days it would be looked upon with total shock! Teacher would probably be fired and sentenced to 10 years hard labour, the pupil would spend the next decades in intense therapy. :lol:

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Re: Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by FCBurnley » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:17 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:38 pm
I was on the game, being ten years old at the time. It brings back incredible memories of the time: this was the team I first knew, McDonald, Seith, Newlands, Pilky etc. little did I know what was round the corner.
Sam Hannah also taught me woodwork in my last year at the old Grammer School in town: I remember we had to walk down from the school to a small building in the he center somewhere for our woodwork lessons. I was useless at the subject and Sam once held up one of my poorer efforts to show the rest of the class saying "In all my years of teaching woodwork at Burnley Grammer School, I have never seen anything as bad as that". I felt quite proud in a strange sort of way.
Sounds like you are same age as me and about the same skill level me at woodwork!!!! Maybe we tied last. Think I got 3% in one test

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Re: Burnley vs Manchester United April 1957

Post by ClaretLoup » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:03 pm

Not sure why you were doing woodwork at BGS, not the ideal preparation for the aspiring, upwardly mobile intelligentsia, however
the North West Film Archive has more Sam Hanna films and here he expounds his philosophy which you BGS types were the recipients of......

https://vimeo.com/107803716

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