Fawlty Towers BBC 1 8.30

[ClaretAndJew]

Not allowing the word ni**er and w*g on TV is political correctness? Amazing.

[ClaretAndJew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_JCBmY9NGM

It's time to bring this to the forefront.

[TheFamilyCat]

Yes but not to the level we are seeing now, I can’t mention some of the words, certain words are banned now & wasn't before, I’d like to see a return of stronger language without even warnings but broadcast when the kids should have gone to bed.

All you liberal wet lettuces have deprived poor old Jakub from saying "P*ki" in public.

I hope you can sleep at night.

[ClaretAndJew]

All you liberal wet lettuces have deprived poor old Jakub from saying "P*ki" in public.

I hope you can sleep at night.

I wish people would just admit that that's what they want to do. Own it. Ya know?

[houseboy]

Loads of stuff was censored “back in the day” on tv.

The censorship back then was mainly about bad language, gratuitous violence and sex which these days seems to be okay. Personally I have long held the belief that the only censorship that should ever happen is personal censorship. If you don’t like it don’t watch it, read it or listen to it, but I suppose that is to much like common sense.

[Rileybobs]

The censorship back then was mainly about bad language, gratuitous violence and sex which these days seems to be okay. Personally I have long held the belief that the only censorship that should ever happen is personal censorship. If you don’t like it don’t watch it, read it or listen to it, but I suppose that is to much like common sense.

I suppose the BBC could just not broadcast it then, which means everybody loses.

[Jakubclaret]

I suppose the BBC could just not broadcast it then, which means everybody loses.

Or broadcast it & people not watch it, Judging off this thread I don’t think some people realise that there’s 4 buttons on all TV remote controls, 1 button is for mute & another button is for on/off & finally the other 2 buttons allows you to change channels by selecting up or down, the buttons are allowed to be used by the viewer.

[Boss Hogg]

Channel flicking is only good for people who are trying to find a broadcast that is offensive to them

[SammyBoy]

[ClaretAndJew]

My favourite TV show of all time.

[SammyBoy]

My favourite TV show of all time.

It is an amazing show, definitely in my top 5 comedies. That said, I felt the quality fell off a cliff after season 10 and my interest waned, could just be me though.

[evensteadiereddie]

Or broadcast it & people not watch it, Judging off this thread I don’t think some people realise that there’s 4 buttons on all TV remote controls, 1 button is for mute & another button is for on/off & finally the other 2 buttons allows you to change channels by selecting up or down, the buttons are allowed to be used by the viewer.

Exactly - so don't watch any programme that will cause you offence because they've had the racist bits cut. Use those buttons, Jakub.
There must be plenty of stuff online you could follow instead.

[houseboy]

I suppose the BBC could just not broadcast it then, which means everybody loses.

No they should broadcast uncensored. If the easily offended don’t like it no one forces them to watch it. I find things offensive to the intelligence like TOWIE, Love Island, Big Brother and others but I have never called for them to be banned, I just don’t watch them. Simple.

[ClaretAndJew]

No they should broadcast uncensored. If the easily offended don’t like it no one forces them to watch it. I find things offensive to the intelligence like TOWIE, Love Island, Big Brother and others but I have never called for them to be banned, I just don’t watch them. Simple.

But that's because being on a stupid, badly acted half reality half soap show isn't offensive. Racial slurs are. And not in the "Oh I'm offended" kind of way. It's in the way that literally degrades and dehumanises other races. It's how racism exists now, because people can so easily use a term for someone else just because of the colour of their skin.

[houseboy]

Exactly - so don't watch any programme that will cause you offence because they've had the racist bits cut. Use those buttons, Jakub.
There must be plenty of stuff online you could follow instead.

No. You’re not getting this are you? People are arguing for non censorship of something they appreciate in it’s entirety. Would you read a book with pages torn out? Anger at censorship is not the same as being offended. No one is ‘offended’ at the censorship, they are ‘angry’ at the needless dilution of a piece of work because some, probably a minority, might just possibly have their feelings hurt. Ironically the same offendees probably wouldn’t watch it anyway so the censorship is kind of pointless in the final analysis.

[Rileybobs]

No they should broadcast uncensored. If the easily offended don’t like it no one forces them to watch it. I find things offensive to the intelligence like TOWIE, Love Island, Big Brother and others but I have never called for them to be banned, I just don’t watch them. Simple.

So you're happy for the BBC to broadcast a programme in which people are referred to as ni**ers and w*gs? Before the watershed? You're happy for kids to hear that?

If that language was used on any of the other programmes you've mentioned it would also be censored. No idea why you're talking about programmes being banned as Fawlty Towers is being broadcast, not banned.

[TheFamilyCat]

No they should broadcast uncensored. If the easily offended don’t like it no one forces them to watch it. I find things offensive to the intelligence like TOWIE, Love Island, Big Brother and others but I have never called for them to be banned, I just don’t watch them. Simple.

Here's a thought for you: some people find Fawlty Towers funny but don't want to hear racist jokes.

This isn't all-in or all-out. There can be some middle ground where everyone can enjoy watching it. Surely you can still enjoy it without parts being cut?

[aggi]

No. You’re not getting this are you? People are arguing for non censorship of something they appreciate in it’s entirety. Would you read a book with pages torn out? Anger at censorship is not the same as being offended. No one is ‘offended’ at the censorship, they are ‘angry’ at the needless dilution of a piece of work because some, probably a minority, might just possibly have their feelings hurt. Ironically the same offendees probably wouldn’t watch it anyway so the censorship is kind of pointless in the final analysis.

Out of curiosity, where would you draw the line (if at all)? Graphic violence, paedophilia, bestiality, pornography, etc all OK to be shown on the BBC?

[dsr]

Although the major uses naughty words, it seems to have been overlooked that the joke isn't against the racial epithets, the joke is against an old man with dementia. Now there's something for the censors to get after. Though I hope they don't!

[Volvoclaret]

Out of curiosity, where would you draw the line (if at all)? Graphic violence, paedophilia, bestiality, pornography, etc all OK to be shown on the BBC?

Would that be flogging a dead foal?

[Jakubclaret]

No. You’re not getting this are you? People are arguing for non censorship of something they appreciate in it’s entirety. Would you read a book with pages torn out? Anger at censorship is not the same as being offended. No one is ‘offended’ at the censorship, they are ‘angry’ at the needless dilution of a piece of work because some, probably a minority, might just possibly have their feelings hurt. Ironically the same offendees probably wouldn’t watch it anyway so the censorship is kind of pointless in the final analysis.

It’s a rarity that poster getting anything to be fair, a lot of this boils down to the parents not putting they children to bed at a reasonable respectable hour & letting the kids run riot until silly o’clock & expecting everybody else in different circumstances to watch Mary poppins TV, that’s what it’s all about. Show some consideration when the children start yawning be arsed & do the right thing.

[evensteadiereddie]

Yet another personal attack from Jakub.

If "getting it" means spouting the incoherent and irrelevant garbage you do, Jakub, I'm delighted I don't.
Your post makes no sense whatsoever.

[TheFamilyCat]

It’s a rarity that poster getting anything to be fair, a lot of this boils down to the parents not putting they children to bed at a reasonable respectable hour & letting the kids run riot until silly o’clock & expecting everybody else in different circumstances to watch Mary poppins TV, that’s what it’s all about. Show some consideration when the children start yawning be arsed & do the right thing.

I can guarantee that if the BBC were showing Fawlty Towers at 1am the same scenes would be cut.

Nothing to do with kids not going to bed early enough.

On the subject of sleep, you still functioning ok on your three hours per night?

[evensteadiereddie]

Clearly not.

[Boss Hogg]

Here's a thought for you: some people find Fawlty Towers funny but don't want to hear racist jokes.

This isn't all-in or all-out. There can be some middle ground where everyone can enjoy watching it. Surely you can still enjoy it without parts being cut?

I’m taking it you would approve of the red button for uncensored and censored versions.

[TheFamilyCat]

I’m taking it you would approve of the red button for uncensored and censored versions.

No, I approve of it being removed because there is no place for it.

Times have changed, some of you need to change too.

[chewie]

That’s right, let’s just delete and censor the past, that way we will never learn and move forward. If the BBC is going to show it then it should be uncensored. As should any television programme or film that has been made that has any kind of controversy in it. It should be down to the viewer whether they watch it or not.

[TheFamilyCat]

That’s right, let’s just delete and censor the past, that way we will never learn and move forward. If the BBC is going to show it then it should be uncensored. As should any television programme or film that has been made that has any kind of controversy in it. It should be down to the viewer whether they watch it or not.

Ok show programmes with characters shouting "w*g", the only people who will watch will be people who find that acceptable.

So tell me, who will "learn and move forward?"

[Devils_Advocate]

That’s right, let’s just delete and censor the past, that way we will never learn and move forward. If the BBC is going to show it then it should be uncensored. As should any television programme or film that has been made that has any kind of controversy in it. It should be down to the viewer whether they watch it or not.

Censoring the past is the govt passing legislation to prevent National Trust properties (stately homes and castles) from displaying historical facts about its history. Editing a film or tv program is definitely not censoring the past

Its amazing which one winds the boot lickers up these days

[Volvoclaret]

Ok show programmes with characters shouting "w*g", the only people who will watch will be people who find that acceptable.

Footballers Wives programme full of Wags shouting. Who would believe it, a football comment on this thread.

[Pstotto]

When something is deemed offensive, it's never backed up as to why or how or who?

Would the offended German please stand up.


If you're offended by Fawlty Towers then you're the one with the problem, not the program.

[Jakubclaret]

Yet another personal attack from Jakub.

If "getting it" means spouting the incoherent and irrelevant garbage you do, Jakub, I'm delighted I don't.
Your post makes no sense whatsoever.

Give over with these “personal attacks” you give as good as you get if not more like I said as long as some people put the children to bed at reasonable times you could have extreme versions of frankie Boyle on telly & it wouldn’t make a difference, some people are putting the children to bed far too late & encountering television unsuitable for children hence the problems.

[evensteadiereddie]

Well for a poster that's whinged non-stop for the last two weeks about being attacked because others don't agree with him, you don't half dish out the snidey stuff.............
Thanks for repeating your earlier post - children's bedtimes and the cutting of racist Fawlty Towers lines are in no way connected so you're still talking your usual cack.

[claretonthecoast1882]

"Some people put their children to bed"

Some people put they children to bed
Some people put the children to bed

No wonder someone wants to keep it simple

[evensteadiereddie]

Quality.

[houseboy]

So you're happy for the BBC to broadcast a programme in which people are referred to as ni**ers and w*gs? Before the watershed? You're happy for kids to hear that?

If that language was used on any of the other programmes you've mentioned it would also be censored. No idea why you're talking about programmes being banned as Fawlty Towers is being broadcast, not banned.

Who said anything about before watershed? And its down to parents to control what kids see.

[houseboy]

Here's a thought for you: some people find Fawlty Towers funny but don't want to hear racist jokes.

This isn't all-in or all-out. There can be some middle ground where everyone can enjoy watching it. Surely you can still enjoy it without parts being cut?

That is not the issue and besides if people find it funny they have seen it before and, one would presume, not been offended.

[houseboy]

Out of curiosity, where would you draw the line (if at all)? Graphic violence, paedophilia, bestiality, pornography, etc all OK to be shown on the BBC?

There are some odd lengths that some people will go to to try to make a point. Graphic violence IS often shown and two of the other three are illegal acts. Porn is freely available online. What has that got to do with an old mainstream TV programme?

[Rileybobs]

Who said anything about before watershed?

Erm, the thread title.

[dsr]

Remember that Fawlty Towers was popular in an era when Burnley had a popular winger known as "Taffy". (A racial epithet often heard on Dad's Army, incidentally.) I'm sure nowadays that wouldn't be tolerated.

[Jakubclaret]

Who said anything about before watershed? And its down to parents to control what kids see.

Not possible when the children rule the roost in some households. It’s a massive problem to some people that the programmes need to be modified because of the incapability to send the children off at the right time.

[evensteadiereddie]

I think you're kind of missing the point again and/or making stuff up again to try and disguise the fact you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

[Jakubclaret]

Or I’m hitting a raw nerve about some people’s parental skills, it’s very easy to hide behind censorship things don’t need censoring when the minors are asleep to start with that crucial point is being overlooked, it’s easier to imply certain groups have a tendency to watch TV content with racist overtones than admit another problem lurks closer to home with the children’s sleeping routines out of kilter.

[TheFamilyCat]

Or I’m hitting a raw nerve about some people’s parental skills, it’s very easy to hide behind censorship things don’t need censoring when the minors are asleep to start with that crucial point is being overlooked, it’s easier to imply certain groups have a tendency to watch TV content with racist overtones than admit another problem lurks closer to home with the children’s sleeping routines out of kilter.

Are you being deliberately thick? You can't possibly be this stupid. Sone things just aren't acceptable at anybgine, be that pre-watershed or at 3.00 in the morning when there's only you awake.

[TheFamilyCat]

That is not the issue and besides if people find it funny they have seen it before and, one would presume, not been offended.

Why this obsession with people being "offended" and terms like "the easily offended brigade"?

It seems like a poor excuse to scapegoat people for the fact that times have changed and the language we used has changed with it.

There's a difference between recognising something is offensive and actually being offended by it.

[evensteadiereddie]

Are you being deliberately thick? You can't possibly be this stupid. Sone things just aren't acceptable at anybgine, be that pre-watershed or at 3.00 in the morning when there's only you awake.

He does this every time - makes a hash of whatever theory he's trying to put forward, panics and then scatterguns anybody and everybody with a new accusation, in this case neglecting our children's welfare.
Absolutely worthless.

[Firthy]

Censoring scenes because people find them offensive and not wanting their children to see them is not the right way to go IMO. It's just shielding children from what is out there every day. Children should be able to watch these scenes and parents can explain that sort of thing is not acceptable these days. What happens when your child hears the word nigger at school and wants to know what it means, surely it's better to educate children in advance rather than just edit these scenes out so they never see them.

[Jakubclaret]

Are you being deliberately thick? You can't possibly be this stupid. Sone things just aren't acceptable at anybgine, be that pre-watershed or at 3.00 in the morning when there's only you awake.

Stop bitching like a little girl & put your kids to bed at the right time.

[TheFamilyCat]

Censoring scenes because people find them offensive and not wanting their children to see them is not the right way to go IMO. It's just shielding children from what is out there every day. Children should be able to watch these scenes and parents can explain that sort of thing is not acceptable these days. What happens when your child hears the word nigger at school and wants to know what it means, surely it's better to educate children in advance rather than just edit these scenes out so they never see them.

Brilliant. Let kids see their knuckle-dragging dads ******* themselves when someone gets called a p*ki.

This is exactly how children will hear the word n*gger at school - because some knobhead is using it at home in front of their kids.

Anyway, this isn't about children, don't let that tool Jakub lead you down his path of enlightenment.

[evensteadiereddie]

I'd love to know how Jakub knows you don't put your kids to bed "at the right time", Family.
Quite disturbing that he claims to.
Still, at least he's not getting personal....