Fawlty Towers BBC 1 8.30

[aggi]

And they're, increasingly, more shameless about their left wing anti majority, anti british bias!

Only this week, metropolitan bubble dwellers, Charlie Statham and Naga Munchetty left viewers gobsmacked by their sneering and mocking of a Minister's Union Jack flag.

Some serious back tracking afterwards,in the aftermath however!


https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/18/bbc-brea ... -14269565/

The BBC has an aging viewership. ( average age of BBC 1 viewer is 61, BBC 2 is 62 )

Under 25s barely watch/listen to any of its output. They see no point whatsoever in the television poll tax , the TV licence, therefore no longer pay it.

Theyre becoming increasingly detached from the silent majoritys views which is only hastening the BBC'S inevitable demise.

The BBC is like the polar bear marooned on a rapidly melting strip of ice.

Go woke, go broke.

TICK TOCK.

It sounds like the BBC should be right up your street, you're normally fully in favour of things that the younger generation disagree with.

As an aside, I'm disappointed that they mentioned the flag at the end of the interview, I wanted to see where the ludicrous "I'm more patriotic than you" displays would end up. There were some quality ones on show in the Crime and Policing bill debate.

[gandhisflipflop]

The day you manage to educate me on anything will be a sad day if your posts on here are anything to go by.

Anyhow I'm sure it doesn't get you down as you've already accepted it's ok not to understand.

Now go and find the next pathetic culture war dog whistle to get upset about

Don't worry DA, I was being deliberately patronising as you and it's obviously touched a nerve.

[aggi]

There are some odd lengths that some people will go to to try to make a point. Graphic violence IS often shown and two of the other three are illegal acts. Porn is freely available online. What has that got to do with an old mainstream TV programme?

Isn't racism also illegal, why does that get a pass?

[RingoMcCartney]

We actually have the freedom to do whatever we want with the flag. It's a flag. We fought wars to defend our freedoms, freedoms to burn the flag if we choose.

We even kind of fought a war on people being kinda racist and xenophobic.

You're correct.

And the flag , under which we fought and defeated, "people being kinda racist and xenophobic."

Would that be the very same flag that BBC presenters Charlie Statham and Naga Munchetty shamelessly mocked and sneered at? Would it?

Yes or no?

[ClaretAndJew]

You're correct.

And the flag , under which we fought and defeated, "people being kinda racist and xenophobic."

Would that be the very same flag that BBC presenters Charlie Statham and Naga Munchetty shamelessly mocked and sneered at? Would it?

Yes or no?

Yes. Which they are allowed to do.

[Devils_Advocate]

Don't worry DA, I was being deliberately patronising as you and it's obviously touched a nerve.

Fair do's and you're right I don't tend to have much time and patience for bigots

[RingoMcCartney]

Yes. Which they are allowed to do.

You're ok with BBC presenters mocking and sneering at the Union Jack?

Yes or No?

[ClaretAndJew]

You're ok with BBC presenters mocking and sneering at the Union Jack?

Yes or No?

I'm ok with people expressing their opinions about a flag.

I'm not ok with racial slurs being used on TV that have caused harm to countless BAME people in both this country and elsewhere.

[RingoMcCartney]

I'm ok with people expressing their opinions about a flag.

I'm not ok with racial slurs being used on TV that have caused harm to countless BAME people in both this country and elsewhere.

You're "ok" with what happened.


You see the thing is , people who share your view are in a minority.

Fortunately, the silent majority are voting with their feet and either switching off, or not even switching on in the first place.


As I said in my earlier post, it's only a matter of time before the BBC is forced to call it a day. The disgraceful display of disrespect to the Union Jack shown by the BBC presenters will only hasten its demise.

[RingoMcCartney]

I see the BBC is moving some of its programming to Leeds.

You can just imagine the panic of those relocating.

"I've looked on the Waitrose website , and I simply cannot find a flat cap and whippet! How the hell , in Marx's name, am I expected to blend in with the locals !!?

[ClaretAndJew]

You're "ok" with what happened.


You see the thing is , people who share your view are in a minority.

Fortunately, the silent majority are voting with their feet and either switching off, or not even switching on in the first place.


As I said in my earlier post, it's only a matter of time before the BBC is forced to call it a day. The disgraceful display of disrespect to the Union Jack shown by the BBC presenters will only hasten its demise.

What does it mean to disrespect the flag, Ringo. I mean, honestly, in your opinion, what do you feel it MEANS? Do you hold the flag close to you, not in a literal sense, I just mean, is it that important? If so, why? I'm sure we have similar ties to "the flag" as in, parents, grandparents who fought/died in wars etc. To me, it's just a flag, it means nothing. Someone waving a flag is no more patriotic than someone who isn't. I don't really hold it in any regard.

[gandhisflipflop]

Fair do's and you're right I don't tend to have much time and patience for bigots

Ah, the old buzz word accusation that has no foundation whatsoever and can be thrown around in todays 'modern society'.

[RingoMcCartney]

What does it mean to disrespect the flag, Ringo. I mean, honestly, in your opinion, what do you feel it MEANS? Do you hold the flag close to you, not in a literal sense, I just mean, is it that important? If so, why? I'm sure we have similar ties to "the flag" as in, parents, grandparents who fought/died in wars etc. To me, it's just a flag, it means nothing. Someone waving a flag is no more patriotic than someone who isn't. I don't really hold it in any regard.

Why dont you ask Naga Munchetty?


She's apologised for it!

[Devils_Advocate]

Ah, the old buzz word accusation that has no foundation whatsoever and can be thrown around in todays 'modern society'.

Aye a bit like snowflake, woke and cancel culture.

Well you've definitely cheered me up and given me that Friday feeling

[TheFamilyCat]

What does it mean to disrespect the flag, Ringo. I mean, honestly, in your opinion, what do you feel it MEANS? Do you hold the flag close to you, not in a literal sense, I just mean, is it that important? If so, why? I'm sure we have similar ties to "the flag" as in, parents, grandparents who fought/died in wars etc. To me, it's just a flag, it means nothing. Someone waving a flag is no more patriotic than someone who isn't. I don't really hold it in any regard.

From reading the article it seems they were taking the **** out of a politician rather than "disrespecting" his flag.

It doesn't give the content of the tweets that Naga liked so can't judge on that.

[gandhisflipflop]

Aye a bit like snowflake, woke and cancel culture.

Well you've definitely cheered me up and given me that Friday feeling

Aye, something that you have accused people of on this very thread. Still, hide behind your buzzword.

[Devils_Advocate]

Aye, something that you have accused people of on this very thread. Still, hide behind your buzzword.

Wow you really don't get it do you. Nevermind

[aggi]

Why dont you ask Naga Munchetty?


She's apologised for it!

You need to read the article again. There was no apology for the BBC breakfast comments.

[Jakubclaret]

He always takes peoples points to the extreme, as with the ‘p@ki’ one a few posts up. It is a tactic he uses to belittle people who display different views than him.

He does, he distorts what you post to align with his way of thinking to justify why your behaviour is wrong, you would only need to post that you are taking the dog for a walk around the block & back & a essay stating about 10 different reasons why this was publicly & psychologically unacceptable would be offered.

[RingoMcCartney]

You need to read the article again. There was no apology for the BBC breakfast comments.

Wrong.

You need read my post and the post I was replying to, again.

I was asked "What does it mean to disrespect the flag, Ringo."

I pointed out that Munchetty has had to apologise for "it". "It" being disrespectful to the flag by " liking," therefore approving of , tweets that were disrespectful of the flag. I did not say she was apologising for "for the BBC breakfast comments"


"BBC’s Naga Munchetty apologises for liking ‘offensive’ tweets about minister’s union flag backdrop

‘I apologise for any offence taken,’ Ms Munchetty says"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/medi ... 19384.html

Hoist by your own, pedantic, petard!

[aggi]

Wrong.

You need my post and the post I was replying to, again.

I was asked "What does it mean to disrespect the flag, Ringo."

I pointed out that Munchetty has had to apologise for liking tweets that were disrespectful of the flag. I did not say she was apologising for "for the BBC breakfast comments"

Hoist by your own, pedantic, petard!

Obviously you didn't actually say that (and it's not what she apologised for) but we'll let that slide.

Would that be the very same flag that BBC presenters Charlie Statham and Naga Munchetty shamelessly mocked and sneered at?

So there wasn't an apology for this, glad we've cleared that up. (Although if you really thought they were mocking and sneering the flag you really don't understand the point they were making.)

[RingoMcCartney]

Obviously you didn't actually say that (and it's not what she apologised for) but we'll let that slide.

Would that be the very same flag that BBC presenters Charlie Statham and Naga Munchetty shamelessly mocked and sneered at?

So there wasn't an apology for this, glad we've cleared that up. (Although if you really thought they were mocking and sneering the flag you really don't understand the point they were making.)

You may want " to let it slide" because you've been proven wrong. Your pedantry got the better of you, not for the first time. If your not capable of interpreting what "it" meant given the context in which it was said, that's not my problem, it's yours.

Anyway , if you think I can be arsed wiping the floor with yet again , you've another think coming.

Stayt and Munchetty have simply added fuel to the fire that will help the process of my original analogy. That through demographics and the increasingly woke, anti British agenda its pushing, the BBC is the polar bear marooned on a rapidly melting strip of ice.

Squeaky bum time for the big furry white fella.

[aggi]

You may want " to let it slide" because you've been proven wrong. Your pedantry got the better of you, not for the first time. If your not capable of interpreting what "it" meant given the context in which it was said, that's not my problem, it's yours.

Anyway , if you think I can be arsed wiping the floor with yet again , you've another think coming.

Stayt and Munchetty have simply added fuel to the fire that will help the process of my original analogy. That through demographics and the increasingly woke, anti British agenda its pushing, the BBC is the polar bear marooned on a rapidly melting strip of ice.

Squeaky bum time for the big furry white fella.

Fair enough. I assume in that case you can provide a link to where there was an apology for liking tweets that were "disrespectful to the flag" (hint, the link you provided said nothing of the sort).

I do wonder though why you picked that link rather than some of the other ones about the story. Maybe this one for instance
https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/18/bbc-brea ... -14265901/

[Lancasterclaret]

Uh oh, the sunlight has reached the furthers reaches of the caves

[Bin Ont Turf]

Plenty of them about these days.

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[Volvoclaret]

Sorry to be pedantic Ringo, but it's the Union FLAG not Union Jack
Only Union Jack when flown on boat/ship from the Jackstaff.

[Jakubclaret]

Sorry to be pedantic Ringo, but it's the Union FLAG not Union Jack
Only Union Jack when flown on boat/ship from the Jackstaff.

Sometime around 1674 the British flag became formally known as the 'Union Jack' when mounted on a warship and the ship was not in harbour. At the same time the British flag was referred to as the 'Union flag' on land. ... The Union Jack was amended in 1801 to incorporate the cross of St. Patrick (Ireland).

[RingoMcCartney]

Fair enough. I assume in that case you can provide a link to where there was an apology for liking tweets that were "disrespectful to the flag" (hint, the link you provided said nothing of the sort).

I do wonder though why you picked that link rather than some of the other ones about the story. Maybe this one for instance
https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/18/bbc-brea ... -14265901/

From Munchetty herself-

Naga Munchetty

@TVNaga01

· 18h

I 'liked' tweets today that were offensive in nature about the use of the British flag as a backdrop in a government interview this morning. I have since removed these 'likes'. This do not represent the views of me or the BBC. I apologise for any offence taken. Naga




Now if you're not prepared to accept that , in her own words, "liking tweets today that were offensive in nature about the use of the British flag" is in itself approving of disrespect for the flag . Which is what "it" was when I said that Munchetty has had to apologise for, when I was asked , "What does it mean to disrespect the flag, Ringo." Instead, prefering to continue to stubbornly refuse to accept that if she hadn't disrespected the flag,
then what was she apologising for!!!!!!????

Then I'm afraid I'll have to leave you down that particular deluded reality denying rabbit hole!

Enjoy. X

[RingoMcCartney]

Sorry to be pedantic Ringo, but it's the Union FLAG not Union Jack
Only Union Jack when flown on boat/ship from the Jackstaff.

You're absolutely bang on.

How do you know the one that Stayt and Munchetty were mocking and sneering at, hadn't previously been on a boat or ship!?

I'm jesting.

I take your point. Fair enough.








Pedant!

[RingoMcCartney]

I'm loving how the usual gaggle come rushing to support the anti British metropolitan bubble dwelling agenda displayed by 2 BBC presenters .

2 disrespectful BBC presenters mocking and sneering the Union Jack like 2 Pound Land Emily Thornberrys!!!

What they still dont get is that the BBC, in alienating its core audience, is simply doing what a certain Party did to its former Red Wall!!!

Mr Polar Bear, let me introduce you to some lemmings!

[Volvoclaret]

[TheFamilyCat]

Uh oh, the sunlight has reached the furthers reaches of the caves

Yes, and unfortunately so has wifi

[Volvoclaret]

Sorry Ringo, Lemmings don't go charging over cliffs.
I need an anti-Pedant jab.

[RMutt]

Perhaps using the Union Jack in a tawdry, who’s got the biggest one, who is the most patriotic, in such a transparent populist self serving way is more disrespectful. I couldn’t care less but if you think it is anything more than a self advertising gimmick I think you are mistaken.

[jrgbfc]

So let me get this straight, the same people who think it's fine for terms like n***** and w** to be used on prime time television are getting all offended by a few journalists having a bit of a joke over the Tories latest obsession with displaying flags?

[aggi]

So let me get this straight, the same people who think it's fine for terms like n***** and w** to be used on prime time television are getting all offended by a few journalists having a bit of a joke over the Tories latest obsession with displaying flags?

They're definitely not snowflakes though. No siree.

[TheFamilyCat]

"Anti-British"

"Mocking and sneering at the Union Jack"

The kind of over-egged rhetoric you'd expect to see in an EDL recruitment leaflet.

[AlargeClaret]

I think it was just the Majors bit talking about the cricket that got removed.

Its hard to work out who the snowflakes really are with how upset some people get cos a few scenes in programs get edited to be more in line with the more tolerant and inclusive world we live in these days.

Tbf even back in the 70’s the Major’s quote : ”The strange thing was, throughout the morning she kept referring to the Indians as niggers. “No, no, no,” I said, “the niggers are the West Indians. These people are wogs”.’
was highlighting the language and highly inappropriate views of “ daft old buggers” like the Major

[Volvoclaret]

Tbf even back in the 70’s the Major’s quote : ”The strange thing was, throughout the morning she kept referring to the Indians as niggers. “No, no, no,” I said, “the niggers are the West Indians. These people are wogs”.’
was highlighting the language and highly inappropriate views of “ daft old buggers” like the Major

Agree Alarge, but you've got to understand that there are many well meaning people on here that don't do irony.

[RMutt]

Agree Alarge, but you've got to understand that there are many well meaning people on here that don't do irony.

It may be well the case that in its day it was a lesson in how not to use inappropriate language. And using a daft old buffer helped to make the point. But those were the days when that kind of language was relatively common place. Times have changed, we’ve moved on. We now know that language of that kind is wrong and it is only among a few hard core racists where it’s use persists. Younger people may not understand it’s context within the programme and I don’t think we should necessarily educate them on it, in fact I’m not sure how we could, short of some explanatory short film before airing the episode. Much easier to just remove it.

[Volvoclaret]

I take you point Rmutt, but surely now it's even more obvious that it's ironic. I accept that I may be wrong but that's my view for what it's worth.

[Bosscat]

Agree Alarge, but you've got to understand that there are many well meaning people on here that don't do irony.

I don't do Irony ... thats the wifes domain usually on a Wednesday afternoon

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[Devils_Advocate]

Tbf even back in the 70’s the Major’s quote : ”The strange thing was, throughout the morning she kept referring to the Indians as niggers. “No, no, no,” I said, “the niggers are the West Indians. These people are wogs”.’
was highlighting the language and highly inappropriate views of “ daft old buggers” like the Major

I know, I love Fawlty Towers and I think characters like Alf Garnett are brilliant and really show up how ridiculous and vile people who really hold those views are.

The point where this thread started was that no one has complained about Fawlty Towers or demanded it be censored however the broadcasters decide what they see as appropriate for airing on their platform and they obviously decided that cutting a couple of lines was the right thing to do.

Now in my view this shouldnt cause a fuss but typically the people who like to throw words around like snowflake and woke are the ones who have a hissy fit when something happens that they dont agree with.

If people want to find someone to blame for things like this they should focus their anger on the actual racists and homophobes and general bigots because these are the people who still use things like this to hide their hate behind, attack minorities and make it acceptable within parts of society.

Without racists and racism they would be no need to edit programs where the joke is on the racists but sadly its not a world I'll see in my lifetime

[evensteadiereddie]

That's class, DA.

[ClaretAndJew]

I know, I love Fawlty Towers and I think characters like Alf Garnett are brilliant and really show up how ridiculous and vile people who really hold those views are.

The point where this thread started was that no one has complained about Fawlty Towers or demanded it be censored however the broadcasters decide what they see as appropriate for airing on their platform and they obviously decided that cutting a couple of lines was the right thing to do.

Now in my view this shouldnt cause a fuss but typically the people who like to throw words around like snowflake and woke are the ones who have a hissy fit when something happens that they dont agree with.

If people want to find someone to blame for things like this they should focus their anger on the actual racists and homophobes and general bigots because these are the people who still use things like this to hide their hate behind, attack minorities and make it acceptable within parts of society.

Without racists and racism they would be no need to edit programs where the joke is on the racists but sadly its not a world I'll see in my lifetime

Great post that mate.

[Juan Tanamera]

So anyway, Fawlty Towers.

[houseboy]

Isn't racism also illegal, why does that get a pass?

It depends who defines racism and what it is. In my view comedy comes in all forms, including Eddie Murphy taking the p!ss out of white guys and Jo Brand taking the same out of men. I’m not offended by either. People should just be a bit less sensitive.

[TheFamilyCat]

It depends who defines racism and what it is. In my view comedy comes in all forms, including Eddie Murphy taking the p!ss out of white guys and Jo Brand taking the same out of men. I’m not offended by either. People should just be a bit less sensitive.

The clue is in the word "illegal". Nothing to do with anyone (other than the lawmaker's) definition of racism.

[Bin Ont Turf]

So anyway, Fawlty Towers.

Brilliant comedy Juan.

Apart from the bit in one episode where Basil was taking the michael out of some white German people.

I thought that was very offensive.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Great thread.

Flags and The BBC to get reight angry about.
Hope Lineker gets involved to wind them up even more.