England vs Poland

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:05 pm

Why is Kane crossing the ball?

You'd never see Chris Wood or Ashley Barnes doing that.

WazzaClaret · Post by **WazzaClaret** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:05 pm

This is exactly what i mean, it was a good ball but why the f*** is Kane the one putting that in?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:05 pm

Top Claret wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:03 pm
I blame Southgate. Pope should have gone long but the manager insist that he plays the ball out to the defenders, which puts them under pressure when closed down

Not sure how Southgate can be blamed for that, or Pope. Pope gave the ball to Stones who is a better passer of the ball, stones had loads of time but inexplicably turned inside onto his weak foot.

People looking too much into things. This isn’t about playing from the back, it’s about simple decision making.

EricaJacko · Post by **EricaJacko** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:05 pm

Very split here. You can normally get a good idea from who the trolls support on social media, but it's literally split between Pope and Stones.

As there's more chance of them being City flogs, then it's more likely the majority support Pope in this one.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:05 pm

Pope should have done better with his feet there.

And we need a CB more comfortable with the ball at his feet.

Time to play Pickford at CB

gsyclaret · Post by **gsyclaret** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:05 pm

Stones should have played it up the line rather than turn back inside

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:05 pm

matttheclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:03 pm
Put him in trouble? That's simply not true, as I suspect you know. Stones was in no trouble whatsoever, all the time in the world and got himself into trouble (as he has plenty of times before), only one person to blame for that.

Stones had to go backwards to the ball and receive it facing his own goal. Thats never easy for a defender and whilst Id give the majority of the blame to Stones it still was poor by Pope

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:05 pm

Still in shock that a Southgate team got caught out trying to fanny around with it at the back.

Just don't know what to think any more.

BobSykes · Post by **BobSykes** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:06 pm

Pope looks a nervous wreck with the England defenders he has in front of him, the defenders look like a nervous wreck with Pope behind them.

Just hope the shaky performances from Nick in these two games don't knock his confidence for our final run in. We need him on form, not turning into Frank Spenser!

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:06 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:00 pm
Pope's ball to Stones was under hit and put him in trouble

Bollards! Stones should just have got rid, but no he wants to play fancy dandy football.

That has been coming though Poland have been much better 2nd half, and England have been sloppy since the break.

No chance for Pope with the finish I'm afraid that was clinical.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:07 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:05 pm
Why is Kane crossing the ball?

You'd never see Chris Wood or Ashley Barnes doing that.

Probably cos Kane is a miles better player than the pair of them

gsyclaret · Post by **gsyclaret** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:07 pm

just been said stones had plenty of time, his cock up

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:07 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:05 pm
Why is Kane crossing the ball?

You'd never see Chris Wood or Ashley Barnes doing that.

He’ll be taking corners next

Conroysleftfoot · Post by **Conroysleftfoot** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:09 pm

Whatever Southgate said at halftime it was wrong.

WazzaClaret · Post by **WazzaClaret** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:09 pm

joey13 wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:07 pm
He’ll be taking corners next

Dont be so stupid

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:10 pm

“If he gets a looping header he’s got a chance” has he ****!!

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:10 pm

How poor is Maguire

Conroysleftfoot · Post by **Conroysleftfoot** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:11 pm

The Polish right winger is giving Chilwell some problems, might be an answer for us.

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:11 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:01 pm
You’re looking a bit desperate to be honest.

Really? I thought I was a Burnley fan saying it how it is and defending our player when other “fans” want to criticise him unfairly.

Are you sure you support our club? You and a few others are all too eager to have a pop at our players given a chance

EricaJacko · Post by **EricaJacko** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:12 pm

expoultryboy wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:10 pm
How poor is Maguire

That central defence will ALWAYS be a problem.

WazzaClaret · Post by **WazzaClaret** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:13 pm

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:11 pm
Really? I thought I was a Burnley fan saying it how it is and defending our player when other “fans” want to criticise him unfairly.

Are you sure you support our club? You and a few others are all too eager to have a pop at our players given a chance

I dont get it.
I think theyre trying that hard to seem impartial they end up too far the kther side.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:13 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:07 pm
Probably cos Kane is a miles better player than the pair of them

Never!!!

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:13 pm

Everything this team does under Southgate looks forced, unnatural, the players uneasy. There's no flow at all. It's a sad sight.

I hope he gets binned after the Euros but I've more chance of boning Keira Knightly than that!

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:14 pm

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:11 pm
Really? I thought I was a Burnley fan saying it how it is and defending our player when other “fans” want to criticise him unfairly.

Are you sure you support our club? You and a few others are all too eager to have a pop at our players given a chance

I’m not having a pop at anyone. Your attempts to deflect any criticism at all away from Pope appears desperate to me. As do suggestions about Stones apologising for taking away Pope’s clean sheet. It’s not about being a Burnley fan it’s about having a balanced view of things instead of defending our player no matter what.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:15 pm

Can I make a suggestion?

Watch the game without the claret specs on.

Pope has looked a shadow of his Burnley self.
Comments about Maguire are probably hinting at Tarks being better...

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:15 pm

And Beast ref is ******* awful.

I certainly hope he ain't going to the world cup

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:16 pm

Feel sorry for Stones he's been outstanding of late. Pope is never going to dislodge Pickford, I understand comments from Dyche were made to give Pope confidence ( Nick Popes feet/kicking will improve) but I don't think they/ it will, it's either in you or it's not. I'm not wanting to set out to criticise Pope but that's how I see it.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:18 pm

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:15 pm
And Beast ref is ******* awful.

I certainly hope he ain't going to the world cup

I’m convinced you’ve never watched a game without saying that the referee is awful

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:18 pm

International football is Gash...roll on the Southampton game...proper football.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:18 pm

If Pope played the way he does for Burnley and cleared it, would it still be 1v0?

gsyclaret · Post by **gsyclaret** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:19 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:15 pm
Can I make a suggestion?

Watch the game without the claret specs on.

Pope has looked a shadow of his Burnley self.
Comments about Maguire are probably hinting at Tarks being better...

Thats because he hasn't got decent defenders in front of him

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:20 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:18 pm
If Pope played the way he does for Burnley and cleared it, would it still be 1v0?

I guess. But Stones could have made that error at any point during the game. The fact that Pope touched the ball before Stones is just incidental.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:20 pm

Take Philips off

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:20 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:18 pm
If Pope played the way he does for Burnley and cleared it, would it still be 1v0?

If he played the way he does for Burnley he would have saved the shot.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:21 pm

Kalvin Phillips is a millions miles away from being a good international centre midfielder.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:21 pm

Midfield is crap, no spirit, no desire and no bloody commitment

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:21 pm

gsyclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:19 pm
Thats because he hasn't got decent defenders in front of him

Walker - Maguire - Stones - Chilwell

Vs

Lowton - Tarkowski - Mee - Taylor

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:22 pm

My comments about Maguire had absolutely nothing to do with tarks . His positioning is poor and he's sooo slow .

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:22 pm

Maybe I am defending Pope a lot, is it any surprise when there are so many trolls on here repeating the media propaganda about him which looks like it self-prophesising each time he plays.

Check out the stats link on the other thread. Popes kicking is statistically only marginally worse than Pickfords, who in turn is head and shoulders behind Allison and Ederson (who both have highly skilled and drilled teams in front of them which really helps)

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:23 pm

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:21 pm
Kalvin Phillips is a millions miles away from being a good international centre midfielder.

Very good young player.

I wouldn’t have him starting games for England at the moment though.

But I also wouldn’t be playing two holding players!!

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:23 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:05 pm
Stones had to go backwards to the ball and receive it facing his own goal. Thats never easy for a defender and whilst Id give the majority of the blame to Stones it still was poor by Pope

Anyone that says Pope didn’t do something wrong there is simply just biased.

Pope did a misplaced pass that made stones run about 15 yards backwards towards his own goal.

Unfortunately this will most likely be his last appearance for England. He has looked like a fish out of water.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:23 pm

Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:09 pm
Whatever Southgate said at halftime it was wrong.

It's frightening how poor England have been 2nd half, and bear in mind this is a Poland team missing their star striker, this would be a great point for them if they hold on.

When the heck is Gareth going to make a sub?

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:23 pm

This group of England players or losers and will never win anything wearing that England shirt. Lack of leadership in this squad stands out and unless Southgate addresses this England are yet again going to disappoint

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:23 pm

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:22 pm
Maybe I am defending Pope a lot, is it any surprise when there are so many trolls on here repeating the media propaganda about him which looks like it self-prophesising each time he plays.

Check out the stats link on the other thread. Popes kicking is statistically only marginally worse than Pickfords, who in turn is head and shoulders behind Allison and Ederson (who both have highly skilled and drilled teams in front of them which really helps)

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:25 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:23 pm

Whatever... I’ll no longer reply to trolls on here anymore, can’t be ar5ed anymore, goodnight

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:25 pm

gsyclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:19 pm
Thats because he hasn't got decent defenders in front of him

That is arguably one of the top 5 back fours in the Euros this summer each costing over £50m. Not sure what you are going on about

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:25 pm

Ffs someone take the bull by the horns

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:26 pm

Such a pedestrian performance by England.

When you have a team full of attacking talent what is the point of setting up and playing so conservatively against a team like Poland? When you have a one goal lead the other side is always in the game and Poland got a sniff. The defensive side of our game is the biggest weakness , so why not just go to outscore sides like this.

Clevedon Claret · Post by **Clevedon Claret** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:26 pm

Good goal 2.1

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:26 pm

Tarkowski would have hit that shot harder.