Burnley v Newcastle - Match Day Thread

[Gordaleman]

Not lucky at all with the "pen"

If you aren't allowed to defend in your box you may as well get rid of defenders!

Precisely. What's Tarky supposed to do? Just let Longstaff head it in?

[Vino blanco]

Decent first half against a poor team. If we can get the ball forward to Wood and Vydra better we will get more goals. Also, it wasn't a penalty.

[Devils_Advocate]

And dangerous play is an indirect freekick, not direct and therefore not a pen in the area.

Debatable is this as

"If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick."

Tarks challenge although he got the ball could be adjudged as careless

"Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed"

As it Tarks challenge involved contact it could be given as a pen.

I can see your position though and the ref could just deem it as dangerous play so its definitely not black or white.

The one thing it definitely was though is a foul

[tarkys_ears]

Ben Mee, blood and guts - what a warrior !

I hope we send him for regular check ups because he doesn't half get his head smashed in !

[Belgianclaret]

Sky Sports, saying it was a pen to Newcastle...

If so, it was also a pen on Mee

Right decision for me, no doubt

[Cirrus_Minor]

Newcastle must have Messi and Ronaldo on the bench by the way Sky are playing up their subs

[claretcarrot93]

The two certainly look good together.

I'm so pleased for Vydra. So patient and dignified with it.

We were often told he wasn't good enough to start.

Its all about pace and movement in behind. Creates space for others then as well.

[Dark Cloud]

Shelvey is their Grealish. He does everything for them and it's him plus 10 others.

[NewClaret]

Newcastle must have Messi and Ronaldo on the bench by the way Sky are playing up their subs

Two good subs to have to be fair. Think we’ll see them sooner rather than later.

[Tribesmen]

We did sit back once we scored but i still think we have too much for this lot no matter who they bring on

[Belgianclaret]

Westwood and Gudmundsson have stood out for me today, best JBG has played for a long while IMO. We look very strong all over the pitch with Vydra and Wood very, very threatening.

Great performance but they will get stronger with Wilson and ASM to come on. We need to keep the pressure on.

Yeah, shame JBG is so injury prone.

Nevertheless, I think we should keep him contrary to Brady

[scouseclaret]

And how about the half a dozen derogatory things? He's a terrible commentator. Always was when he worked for Granada.

It’s not Jim Beglin, it’s Andy Hincliffe, who is usually complimentary to us. Not sure he ever worked for Granada.

[jedi_master]

Very reminiscent of Ings/Vokes at times today.

[Top Claret]

Wood picks himself always as, but now we have another 1st choice in Vydra who is far better player than Barnes or Rodriguez

[FCBurnley]

Similar game to last week. Hope I am wrong. Wilson and SM to come no doubt. We need a second goal for sure and they look weak at the back but so we’re Saints !

[Tall Paul]

Debatable is this as

"If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick."

Tarks challenge although he got the ball could be adjudged as careless

"Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed"

As it Tarks challenge involved contact it could be given as a pen.

I can see your position though and the ref could just deem it as dangerous play so its definitely not black or white.

The one thing it definitely was though is a foul

It's not debateable.

If the offence is dangerous play, the punishment is an indirect free kick.

[NewClaret]

Both pen's for me

Have to say, I agree.

Takes boot was high/dangerous. Also thought Mee’s should have been before that and suspect that played its part.

[Targetman]

Hes cemented his place now
Jay wont start again

Well not this week anyway!

[wilks_bfc]

It’s not Jim Beglin, it’s Andy Hincliffe, who is usually complimentary to us. Not sure he ever worked for Granada.

Depends what he’s watching

Beglin is doing the commentary on the “worldwide”broadcast (BEIN etc)

[Devils_Advocate]

It's not debateable.

If the offence is dangerous play, the punishment is an indirect free kick.

Contact means direct free kick so I think you're wrong. But hey I've explained in my previous post so if you disagree thats up to you

[fidelcastro]

It’s not Jim Beglin, it’s Andy Hincliffe, who is usually complimentary to us. Not sure he ever worked for Granada.

I'm not watching on SKY. Hinchcliffe doesn't have an Irish accent.

[Stevie Morgan]

Contact means direct free kick so I think you're wrong. But hey I've explained in my previous post so if you disagree thats up to you

No, cos he was playing the ball.

[claretfern]

For me, Vydra should've been in the side over 12 months ago....

[Longsidebogs]

As I get older, I’m finding that technology is overtaking me a little. I’m not a technophobe by any means, but there are certainly things I don’t fully understand. I never thought I wouldn’t understand the rules of football though. And then VAR happened. What else could Tarky have done? He’s a central defender. He played the ball. But by the new rules, that I no longer understand, it should have been a penalty to the Geordies? I suspect the new season will be my last as a paying spectator. And that makes me sad.

[Vino blanco]

Lochhead and Irvine, great combination.

[taio]

Good effort Lowton. One of them if either side it's a goal.

[diamondpocket]

Precisely. What's Tarky supposed to do? Just let Longstaff head it in?

If it had been Longstaff doing the kicking looking for a goal and Tarks with his head trying to defend it, it would easily be a free kick and we'd all be claiming it as a free kick!

[Zlatan]

Alan Shearer having kittens about the pen claim on Twitter.. it’s so funny

[Tall Paul]

Contact means direct free kick so I think you're wrong. But hey I've explained in my previous post so if you disagree thats up to you

How am I wrong? I said that if it's dangerous play it's not a penalty, that's an indisputable fact.

Maybe there's an argument that it wasn't dangerous play, it was a different offence, but that's not what I said or passed comment upon.

All the pundits and commentators were saying dangerous play, for what it's worth.

[taio]

Corners today have been excellent by Westwood and McNeil.

[Zlatan]

Cardboard box

[Devils_Advocate]

No, cos he was playing the ball.

Doesnt matter. If the ref judges a challenge was careless, reckless or made with excessive force then it doesnt matter if the player won the ball first as it is a foul and if as part of that challenge contact was made the free kick is direct.

[taio]

Doesnt matter. If the ref judges a challenge was careless, reckless or made with excessive force then it doesnt matter if the player won the ball first as it is a foul and if as part of that challenge contact was made the free kick is direct.

A neither the ref or the VAR thought that applied. Correct.

[Stevie Morgan]

Doesnt matter. If the ref judges a challenge was careless, reckless or made with excessive force then it doesnt matter if the player won the ball first as it is a foul and if as part of that challenge contact was made the free kick is direct.

Disagree. It wasn't a challenge, he was clearing it. He wasn't aware player was there. We need a resident ref to give their opinion.

[Devils_Advocate]

How am I wrong? I said that if it's dangerous play it's not a penalty, that's an indisputable fact.

Maybe there's an argument that it wasn't dangerous play, it was a different offence, but that's not what I said or passed comment upon.

All the pundits and commentators were saying dangerous play, for what it's worth.

Just to clarify I am debating if the challenge was deemed as a careless challenge or a dangerous challenge under the laws of the game.

You stated you thought it was dangerous play so thats where I disagree and think that opinion is wrong.

I agree with you that if dangerous play was awarded it would not be a pen

Hope that clears up where we are actually disagreeing

[Vino blanco]

Wood taking ball to goal line like Jimmy Mac.

[BleedingClaret]

Foul on Tarks for me
Kicks the ball when no opposition player is in his eyeline
Longstaff comes in late from Tarks blindside knowingly ducks his head into the ball when it’s clear Tarks is already in the process of kicking the ball Longstaff catches Tarks foot late with his head

[Tall Paul]

Just to clarify I am debating if the challenge was deemed as a careless challenge or a dangerous challenge under the laws of the game.

You stated you thought it was dangerous play so thats where I disagree and think that opinion is wrong.

I agree with you that if dangerous play was awarded it would not be a pen

Hope that clears up where we are actually disagreeing

Where did I state that I thought it was dangerous play?

[Devils_Advocate]

A neither the ref or the VAR thought that applied. Correct.

Ref and VAR didnt think Wood was fouled last week. Correct

[wilks_bfc]

Can’t remember the last time we won so many corners in a game

[Zlatan]

Foul on Tarks for me
Kicks the ball when no opposition player is in his eyeline
Longstaff comes in late from Tarks blindside knowingly ducks his head into the ball when it’s clear Tarks is already in the process of kicking the ball Longstaff catches Tarks foot late with his head

That’s word for word what DA would say if it was the other way round

[taio]

Ref and VAR didnt think Wood was fouled last week. Correct

Wrong again.

[Devils_Advocate]

Where did I state that I thought it was dangerous play?

Surely it would've been an indirect freekick anyway, not a pen.

[Tall Paul]

Nowhere then.

[taio]

Some great balls into the box today

[tarkys_ears]

Is that 10 or 11 corners and nothing...

Not good enough

[Devils_Advocate]

Nowhere then.

So what did you mean when you said it would be an indirect free kick if you was not referring to it being dangerous play?

[Zlatan]

Just watch the game lads

[superdimitri]

Might be putting the ball in good areas but we haven't made anything of it.

[icu81b4]

Rats