I’ve always maintained I think SD will stay & I still do, I don’t see Palace raising the compensation or dyche wanting the job, if you look back at the thread it was 1 poster saying some people thought dyche would go & another poster saying he hadn’t heard of any such thing, I just reinforced what the first poster said about some people thinking dyche would leave, albeit the voice of 1 palace fan but others will think the same, the longer this drags out more people will start doubting & subscribe to the possibility dyche could leave.
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Whether SD gets offered another club or stays, just don't see him signing any new contract with us until the window has closed or some of his preferred players are in the building
He will want to see actions more than words from Mr Pace
And that includes "new" money as he won't want to sell Tarks until cover has been brought in first
He will want to see actions more than words from Mr Pace
And that includes "new" money as he won't want to sell Tarks until cover has been brought in first
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I can't see him being too happy about an increased buy-out clause, would make him less attractive to some clubs who may be interested.
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Not happy with this situation. I am beginning to think SD is waiting for a job offer, if none materialises he will sign,Wolves,Everton,Spurs don't want him, Palace would appear to prefer a more expansive manager hence Nuno, now Cooper etc. This is damaging recruitment, the board won't sanction spending in case Dyche doesn't sign and a new manager fancies different signings, Dyche won't sign until money is spent, something has to give first so IMHO either sign now or resign to see who will employ you and your staff on current or improved terms and let us move forward. I really do want SD to sign but how much longer do we wait ? We are better then someone's second or third choice, SD should realise so is he and sign his contract now.
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Do you really think the reason we haven't made a signing yet is because the deal with Dyche isn't signed ?bfcjg wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:33 amNot happy with this situation. I am beginning to think SD is waiting for a job offer, if none materialises wecwill sign,Wolves,Everton,Spurs don't want him, Palace would appear to prefer a more expansive manager hence Nuno, now Cooper etc. This is damaging recruitment, the board won't sanction spending in case Dyche doesn't sign and a new manager fancies different signings, Dyche won't sign until money is spent, something has to give first so IMHO either sign now or resign to see who will employ you and your staff on current or improved terms and let us move forward. I really do want SD to sign but how much longer do we wait ? We are better then someone's second or third choice, SD should realise so is he and sign his contract now.
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Do you really think it hasn't had an effect ? Will I be playing for Mr Dyche or A N Other ?claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:34 amDo you really think the reason we haven't made a signing yet is because the deal with Dyche isn't signed ?
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I am 100% certain it hasn't had an effect.
If we have a bid accepted by a club for any player which question do you think matters most to the player and his agent :-
How much per week am I on or who will be the manager in 6 - 12 months time ?
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Best if the manager is choosing who we bid for.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:37 amI am 100% certain it hasn't had an effect.
If we have a bid accepted by a club for any player which question do you think matters most to the player and his agent :-
How much per week am I on or who will be the manager in 6 - 12 months time ?
It isn't beyond possibility that the manager's negotiations could delay things.
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Sean has always said that he would prefer to get transfer deals done early, so that he can get a full pre season with new players. Therefore, he should be hoping to get his own contract sorted ASAP, should he not?boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:02 amBest if the manager is choosing who we bid for.
It isn't beyond possibility that the manager's negotiations could delay things.
That gives us about three weeks to get Sean signed up and maybe bring in a couple of key signings, as Burnley's pre season starts on July 6th.
We fans are always impatient, but hopefully, things will happen a little quicker this summer.
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boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:02 amBest if the manager is choosing who we bid for.
It isn't beyond possibility that the manager's negotiations could delay things.
In the last 8 seasons how many players have we signed each season in the 1st few days of the window opening
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I haven't a clue.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:13 amIn the last 8 seasons how many players have we signed each season in the 1st few days of the window opening
But, in the same 8 seasons, how often has the manager been in negotiations?
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Haven't a clue.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:25 amI haven't a clue.
But, in the same 8 seasons, how often has the manager been in negotiations?
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I believe most players prefer to know who is going to be managing the club they are about to sign for.
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and how much do you think that has saved in wages? to allow for other thingsclaretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:13 amIn the last 8 seasons how many players have we signed each season in the 1st few days of the window opening
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To recap: Sean Dyche has a contract with Burnley to June 2022, so another season to run on his contract. Alan Pace, the club's new chairman has said that SD is important and the club's new owners, ALK Capital, would like to extend SD's contract. A few weeks back media source reported that SD was expected to sign new contract the following week. So far, (is it 2 weeks later?) there has been no announcement of new contract being signed. Of course, SD's existing contract has 12 months remaining.
Elsewhere, other clubs have had vacancies for new coach/manager. The media rumours and the betting have included SD on their possible interest. There have been reports, several weeks ago, that BFC have been approached by Crystal Palace and asked how much compensation required if they got SD to be their new manager. Most of these clubs without coaches/managers have not got sorted. Similarly, Crystal Palace are reported to be pursuing other options - though no new manager yet announced by CP.
It's been mentioned that Sean Dyche wanted a break from football at the end of a challenging season - where the club, SD and the players, met those challenges successfully and the club is preparing for another season in the Premier League.
We all know, or should know, that Sean Dyche doesn't like talking about all the stuff that may or may not be going on "behind the scenes" at the club. This has always been the case with transfer rumours, whether it concerns incoming or outgoing players. We also know that Sean Dyche doesn't speak publicly and to the media about his own contract situation.
So, maybe Sean Dyche has already signed his new contract, or maybe he's agreed his new contract, but not yet literally "put pen to paper" because he's away on holiday, or it's planned to hold a media session when Sean Dyche and Alan Pace will both sign his new contract, in front of the tv cameras. Maybe the club is waiting for a time when there's the opportunity for more focus on the club - and less on the Euro 2020 competition.
We shouldn't worry that there's been no news: Sean Dyche likes these things to be done quietly and with no fuss and no publicity ahead of the time he and the club have chosen.
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Elsewhere, other clubs have had vacancies for new coach/manager. The media rumours and the betting have included SD on their possible interest. There have been reports, several weeks ago, that BFC have been approached by Crystal Palace and asked how much compensation required if they got SD to be their new manager. Most of these clubs without coaches/managers have not got sorted. Similarly, Crystal Palace are reported to be pursuing other options - though no new manager yet announced by CP.
It's been mentioned that Sean Dyche wanted a break from football at the end of a challenging season - where the club, SD and the players, met those challenges successfully and the club is preparing for another season in the Premier League.
We all know, or should know, that Sean Dyche doesn't like talking about all the stuff that may or may not be going on "behind the scenes" at the club. This has always been the case with transfer rumours, whether it concerns incoming or outgoing players. We also know that Sean Dyche doesn't speak publicly and to the media about his own contract situation.
So, maybe Sean Dyche has already signed his new contract, or maybe he's agreed his new contract, but not yet literally "put pen to paper" because he's away on holiday, or it's planned to hold a media session when Sean Dyche and Alan Pace will both sign his new contract, in front of the tv cameras. Maybe the club is waiting for a time when there's the opportunity for more focus on the club - and less on the Euro 2020 competition.
We shouldn't worry that there's been no news: Sean Dyche likes these things to be done quietly and with no fuss and no publicity ahead of the time he and the club have chosen.
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Hi boatshed bill, aren't you forgetting that an "Increased buy-out clause" means Sean Dyche is earning more at Burnley? What sort of person would logically say "no, don't raise my wage." A higher wage means that Sean Dyche will be earning more at Burnley. It will also mean, if BFC were to dismiss him, his compensation from BFC would be higher. Or, if he was offered a job with another club, while still employed by BFC, he would be offered higher wages than his new higher wages contract at BFC.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:31 pmI can't see him being too happy about an increased buy-out clause, would make him less attractive to some clubs who may be interested.
There's nothing that would make Sean Dyche think "an increased buy-out clause" is bad news for him. If he enjoys working as a football manager/coach he will be delighted that he's got higher wages and "an increased buy-out clause."
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Are you forgetting the possible reluctance that the idea of being tied down & knowing it’s unlikely that other clubs will ever come, because of the high price of the compensation that would have to be paid out to secure your services may not be that appealing to a manager who likes to keep his options open. It’s not very encouraging towards inviting other offers.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:14 amHi boatshed bill, aren't you forgetting that an "Increased buy-out clause" means Sean Dyche is earning more at Burnley? What sort of person would logically say "no, don't raise my wage." A higher wage means that Sean Dyche will be earning more at Burnley. It will also mean, if BFC were to dismiss him, his compensation from BFC would be higher. Or, if he was offered a job with another club, while still employed by BFC, he would be offered higher wages than his new higher wages contract at BFC.
There's nothing that would make Sean Dyche think "an increased buy-out clause" is bad news for him. If he enjoys working as a football manager/coach he will be delighted that he's got higher wages and "an increased buy-out clause."
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£28.75Chester Perry wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:49 amand how much do you think that has saved in wages? to allow for other things
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I suppose that it depends on how much SD really wants to stay. I think the high compensation could put off potential "suitors".Paul Waine wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:14 amHi boatshed bill, aren't you forgetting that an "Increased buy-out clause" means Sean Dyche is earning more at Burnley? What sort of person would logically say "no, don't raise my wage." A higher wage means that Sean Dyche will be earning more at Burnley. It will also mean, if BFC were to dismiss him, his compensation from BFC would be higher. Or, if he was offered a job with another club, while still employed by BFC, he would be offered higher wages than his new higher wages contract at BFC.
There's nothing that would make Sean Dyche think "an increased buy-out clause" is bad news for him. If he enjoys working as a football manager/coach he will be delighted that he's got higher wages and "an increased buy-out clause."
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If he signs a new contract with an increased buy out clause it's obvious he's perfectly happy with it, otherwise he wouldn't sign a new contract with that figure in.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:31 pmI can't see him being too happy about an increased buy-out clause, would make him less attractive to some clubs who may be interested.
It's part of the negotiation no doubt and if/when he does sign it will be figure all the people involved are happy with.
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Quite possibly, but they'll also be aware that said manager could leave next week.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:43 amI believe most players prefer to know who is going to be managing the club they are about to sign for.
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boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:43 amI believe most players prefer to know who is going to be managing the club they are about to sign for.
If Dyche signed a 3 yr deal today do you think that means he can't leave in the near future ?
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Obviously he could.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:52 amIf Dyche signed a 3 yr deal today do you think that means he can't leave in the near future ?
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Not happy with what situation? Dyche is under contract until next summer in any case but we don’t know whether he’s been offered a new one and if he has whether he’s likely to sign it.bfcjg wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:33 amNot happy with this situation. I am beginning to think SD is waiting for a job offer, if none materialises he will sign,Wolves,Everton,Spurs don't want him, Palace would appear to prefer a more expansive manager hence Nuno, now Cooper etc. This is damaging recruitment, the board won't sanction spending in case Dyche doesn't sign and a new manager fancies different signings, Dyche won't sign until money is spent, something has to give first so IMHO either sign now or resign to see who will employ you and your staff on current or improved terms and let us move forward. I really do want SD to sign but how much longer do we wait ? We are better then someone's second or third choice, SD should realise so is he and sign his contract now.
The owners want him to stay so I’m assuming they’ve had contract talks but then they have to agree it with goodness knows how many other people involved including agents, lawyers, accountants. There’s also the situation of his staff to consider and getting their deals done.
I don’t think for one minute that recruitment is being damaged. We’ve already had players in for detailed talks and but for Villa coming in I believe we’d be close to our first signing.
I just think you are way off track.
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Fair enough.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:34 amNot happy with what situation? Dyche is under contract until next summer in any case but we don’t know whether he’s been offered a new one and if he has whether he’s likely to sign it.
The owners want him to stay so I’m assuming they’ve had contract talks but then they have to agree it with goodness knows how many other people involved including agents, lawyers, accountants. There’s also the situation of his staff to consider and getting their deals done.
I don’t think for one minute that recruitment is being damaged. We’ve already had players in for detailed talks and but for Villa coming in I believe we’d be close to our first signing.
I just think you are way off track.
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Just on Villa, given the money they are spending...the expectancy on Smith is going to be enormous. Decent Manager...Not at all sure he is the man who can take them to levels the Owners crave.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:34 amNot happy with what situation? Dyche is under contract until next summer in any case but we don’t know whether he’s been offered a new one and if he has whether he’s likely to sign it.
The owners want him to stay so I’m assuming they’ve had contract talks but then they have to agree it with goodness knows how many other people involved including agents, lawyers, accountants. There’s also the situation of his staff to consider and getting their deals done.
I don’t think for one minute that recruitment is being damaged. We’ve already had players in for detailed talks and but for Villa coming in I believe we’d be close to our first signing.
I just think you are way off track.
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As has been pointed out, last season they finished 11th, after finishing 4th from bottom two years ago.
We finished 10th and 4th from bottom on a fraction of their budget.
He's not decent, he's useless.
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They have a very ambitious CoE there, a lot of players being thrust on him. Not always a good idea to have to many players...never know what your best side is.
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I think it is close to £2m
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Yes, we all know he likes to do it behind the scenes when it suits him.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:03 am
We all know, or should know, that Sean Dyche doesn't like talking about all the stuff that may or may not be going on "behind the scenes" at the club. This has always been the case with transfer rumours, whether it concerns incoming or outgoing players. We also know that Sean Dyche doesn't speak publicly and to the media about his own contract situation.
So, maybe Sean Dyche has already signed his new contract, or maybe he's agreed his new contract, but not yet literally "put pen to paper" because he's away on holiday, or it's planned to hold a media session when Sean Dyche and Alan Pace will both sign his new contract, in front of the tv cameras. Maybe the club is waiting for a time when there's the opportunity for more focus on the club - and less on the Euro 2020 competition.
We shouldn't worry that there's been no news: Sean Dyche likes these things to be done quietly and with no fuss and no publicity ahead of the time he and the club have chosen.
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Wasn’t very behind the scenes when he was whining like a little baby every chance he got when being interviewed because we wouldn’t offer ageing squad players new deals.
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Irony, thought that would have been right up your street
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Hi Jakub, yes, I'm forgetting why it's thinking about things the wrong way round and making the argument why it's thinking about things the wrong way round: more pay or less pay, which option do you expect anyone to choose? Of course, there may be other reasons to choose one place over another, whether it is a job in football coaching and management or any other choice any of us has to make, but, if it's Premier League club B (for Burnley) where you currently have a job or Premier League club X, which could be any one of 19 other clubs, where you don't currently have either a job or a job offer, don't you think it's logical to choose B?Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:22 amAre you forgetting the possible reluctance that the idea of being tied down & knowing it’s unlikely that other clubs will ever come, because of the high price of the compensation that would have to be paid out to secure your services may not be that appealing to a manager who likes to keep his options open. It’s not very encouraging towards inviting other offers.
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Hi dj2, yes, I feel Sean Dyche let the emotion of the season being suspended and then re-started "get to him" last June/July. Possibly, also influenced by the possibility of the club changing ownership and Sean Dyche's personal experience of new owners coming in at Watford while he was "starting out" in management.djemba-djemba wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:04 pmYes, we all know he likes to do it behind the scenes when it suits him.
Wasn’t very behind the scenes when he was whining like a little baby every chance he got when being interviewed because we wouldn’t offer ageing squad players new deals.
I think your description of "whining like a little baby" is a little ott, but each to their own, I guess.
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Any normal person would weigh up what’s best for themselves & there family & choose that option & I expect that’s exactly what SD is doing, him extending might be the best option for us but not the best option for himself.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:44 pmHi Jakub, yes, I'm forgetting why it's thinking about things the wrong way round and making the argument why it's thinking about things the wrong way round: more pay or less pay, which option do you expect anyone to choose? Of course, there may be other reasons to choose one place over another, whether it is a job in football coaching and management or any other choice any of us has to make, but, if it's Premier League club B (for Burnley) where you currently have a job or Premier League club X, which could be any one of 19 other clubs, where you don't currently have either a job or a job offer, don't you think it's logical to choose B?
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Hello friend. You are right, it got to him massively and it was highly unprofessional of him to speak like that to the press.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:54 pmHi dj2, yes, I feel Sean Dyche let the emotion of the season being suspended and then re-started "get to him" last June/July. Possibly, also influenced by the possibility of the club changing ownership and Sean Dyche's personal experience of new owners coming in at Watford while he was "starting out" in management.
I think your description of "whining like a little baby" is a little ott, but each to their own, I guess.
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Yes, but Garlick's actions or lack of..... nearly got us relegated.djemba-djemba wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:56 pmHello friend. You are right, it got to him massively and it was highly unprofessional of him to speak like that to the press.
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We weren't close to being relegatedWokingclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:03 pmYes, but Garlick's actions or lack of..... nearly got us relegated.
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I think Sean is waiting to see if the new owners are all talk and no action. Until he sees quality signings over the line, he will hold out and wait for better offers. I don't blame him.
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I think the manager is working hard with the new owners planning for next season
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Dyche is under contract and isn't being offered other jobs, what's the mass panic? why does he need to sign a new contract urgently?
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As someone has commented earlier, some players may not sign until they know status of the manager.
Some players won't care either way as managers have a short work lifespan normally, but uncertainty over manager may not be helping.
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I would love someone to find me a player who wouldn’t sign at a club because of the status of the manager.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:48 pmAs someone has commented earlier, some players may not sign until they know status of the manager.
Some players won't care either way as managers have a short work lifespan normally, but uncertainty over manager may not be helping.
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Good point. Man City only won the league because they have a good manager and there were no better teams.Wokingclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:34 pmYes, because we have a good manager and there was 3 teams worse
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So what your saying is we have nothing to worry about?ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:53 pmThe mass panic is because some tabloid journalist got a story wrong and all the click bait sites followed.
Dyche is signing a new contract and we are going to strengthen the starting eleven this window?
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He won't be signing he is off to West Brom
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