TWO JABS for entry

[GodIsADeeJay81]

So you'd be quite happy for kids to miss out on an education?

The teachers are the ones who should all be jabbed by now, and everyone else employed at the schools.

Kids are currently exempt from jabs, but tests are currently ongoing to determine if they're safe for kids.
If it's confirmed they are then I'd expect kids to be vaccinated.

However, if we are making Covid jabs compulsory and in need of passports I'd be very interested to know why we've never done the same for things like MMR etc.

[RVclaret]

Absolute madness the amount of people going along with this. So you need a jab to get into crowded places, does that include colleges, universities, schools etc? Someone's education determined by whether they have the jab is a sick joke.

Agree some of these comments on here, wow, unbelievable.

[Lancasterclaret]

I've no problem with my kids being jabbed

My problem is with the vaccine passports effectively telling people "conform or else"

And its worth mentioning, if this government had handled the pandemic better over the past years and a bit, then we wouldn't need them at all

[martin_p]

Absolute madness the amount of people going along with this. So you need a jab to get into crowded places, does that include colleges, universities, schools etc? Someone's education determined by whether they have the jab is a sick joke.

Given there’s no plan to vaccinate all under 18s it won’t apply to schools and colleges.

[bfcjg]

If you could snort the vaccine the Cricketfield stand would be fully protected in no time.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Agree some of these comments on here, wow, unbelievable.

Discussions can be uncomfortable, but its healthy to have them.

[Grumps]

I've no problem with my kids being jabbed

My problem is with the vaccine passports effectively telling people "conform or else"

And its worth mentioning, if this government had handled the pandemic better over the past years and a bit, then we wouldn't need them at all

Every other country seems to need them, so perhaps we ain't all that different

[Lancasterclaret]

Given there’s no plan to vaccinate all under 18s it won’t apply to schools and colleges.

Yet

Surprising amount of faith in what this government says there mate

[martin_p]

I've no problem with my kids being jabbed

My problem is with the vaccine passports effectively telling people "conform or else"

And its worth mentioning, if this government had handled the pandemic better over the past years and a bit, then we wouldn't need them at all

But I don’t think that’s unreasonable where public health is concerned. You can’t drive if you haven’t passed a driving test to protect public health. You can’t eat and drink while smoking in a public place to protect public health. You can’t drive a car without a seatbelt to protect public health.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Every other country seems to need them, so perhaps we ain't all that different

That is part of the issue, other countries get on with it. Too many in this country have spent too long crying over who is in power and looking for anything to rebel against.

We have had dickheads protesting this week about being anti lockdown, while being allowed to go anywhere and protest.

[ŽižkovClaret]

What is ridiculous, is that i've had 2 jabs, back in May now, and yet because my vaccines were administered in the EU, the UK government doesn't recognise them and so i would be treated as if unvaccinated were i to visit the UK

[Jakubclaret]

I guess it depends on the individual.
If I hadn't had the jabs, but it was required for entry, I wouldn't even attempt to gain entry. Some people just don't think rules apply to them.

I think you can safely file that under common sense, I wouldn’t dream of trying to access somewhere exposing myself (no innuendos please) if the policy was a strict non admission for non vaccinated people. Some people still believe the virus is a conspiracy theory hence not wanting to be vaccinated that’s the reason why some people have refused to be vaccinated & will always refuse for that reason alone.

[Lancasterclaret]

But I don’t think that’s unreasonable where public health is concerned. You can’t drive if you haven’t passed a driving test to protect public health. You can’t eat and drink while smoking in a public place to protect public health. You can’t drive a car without a seatbelt to protect public health.

And I think its reasonable to put proper effort into controlling the disease, so these rules are not required

Essentially these proposals have only come in because of the failure to control it

Don't get me wrong, if I have to have one to get into a football match, then I will do it, but that doesn't change the fact that its wrong.

[ŽižkovClaret]

I think you can safely file that under common sense, I wouldn’t dream of trying to access somewhere exposing myself (no innuendos please) if the policy was a strict non admission for non vaccinated people. Some people still believe the virus is a conspiracy theory hence not wanting to be vaccinated that’s the reason why some people have refused to be vaccinated & will always refuse for that reason alone.

"Some people" think the moon landings were faked. It is high time some people didn't dictate to the rest

[Dyched]

But I don’t think that’s unreasonable where public health is concerned. You can’t drive if you haven’t passed a driving test to protect public health. You can’t eat and drink while smoking in a public place to protect public health. You can’t drive a car without a seatbelt to protect public health.

How’s it protecting health.

If the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated then there is/was no need to do the rest.

Look at the figures for deaths under 50, under 40 and so on. Then, actually look at the deaths covid has actually caused for those age groups. I’m not talking about tested positive within 28 days of being hit by a tractor. I mean actual covid deaths. Kids being vaccinated is completely wrong.

[ŽižkovClaret]

How’s it protecting health.

If the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated then there is/was no need to do the rest.

Look at the figures for deaths under 50, under 40 and so on. Then, actually look at the deaths covid has actually caused for those age groups. I’m not talking about tested positive within 28 days of being hit by a tractor. I mean actual covid deaths. Kids being vaccinated is completely wrong.

Does death have to be the benchmark?

Is it not worth it to avoid hospitalization? To avoid intubation?

[martin_p]

And I think its reasonable to put proper effort into controlling the disease, so these rules are not required

Essentially these proposals have only come in because of the failure to control it

Don't get me wrong, if I have to have one to get into a football match, then I will do it, but that doesn't change the fact that its wrong.

I agree that these proposals have only come in because of failure to control the virus, but that’s a historical fact now and the reason (in my opinion) why the new measures are reasonable. You could even argue that at last (belatedly) the government are taking measures to control the virus (although I accept it’s at odds with lots of other things they’re doing like abandoning masks, etc).

[martin_p]

How’s it protecting health.

If the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated then there is/was no need to do the rest.

Look at the figures for deaths under 50, under 40 and so on. Then, actually look at the deaths covid has actually caused for those age groups. I’m not talking about tested positive within 28 days of being hit by a tractor. I mean actual covid deaths. Kids being vaccinated is completely wrong.

It’s protecting health by stopping the infection numbers going up further and (more importantly in my opinion) helping to avoid new variants brought about by high numbers.

[Billy Balfour]

I've no problem with my kids being jabbed

My problem is with the vaccine passports effectively telling people "conform or else"

Or else what. Or else you can't go into a nightclub? This is hardly the stuff of a Stasi police state.

You can't drive a car on your own without a full licence. So guess what - you have to pass a test to make sure you are competent and not a liability to others. Some people probably think this is so unfair because it discriminates against those who can't be bothered to get off their arse and pass their driving test.

[RVclaret]

Does death have to be the benchmark?

Is it not worth it to avoid hospitalization? To avoid intubation?

Yes death should be benchmark. People get hospitalized everyday for all sorts of illnesses. It is what it is and that's what healthcare is for.

Of course there are preventions for some and not for others.

Here is an article from 2018 of a flu epidemic in the states where they didn't have enough beds!

https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-hand ... -patients/

Did they start forcing flu jabs for all?

I am no conspiracy theorist I prefer to look at facts such as 450 people die everyday in the UK from cancer.

The average age of deaths from Covid - 80. The average age of deaths in general in the UK 80.

Yet here we are looking to force a vaccine on people (young people now) who are at more or less zero risk of serious illness from this, let alone dying!

[Lancasterclaret]

Or else what. Or else you can't go into a nightclub? This is hardly the stuff of a Stasi police state.

You can't drive a car on your own without a full licence. So guess what - you have to pass a test to make sure you are competent and not a liability to others. Some people probably think this is so unfair because it discriminates against those who can't be bothered to get off their arse and pass their driving test.

Its not the same though is it?

[Murger]

What is ridiculous, is that i've had 2 jabs, back in May now, and yet because my vaccines were administered in the EU, the UK government doesn't recognise them and so i would be treated as if unvaccinated were i to visit the UK

So you think it's ridiculous you're vaccine isn't recognised by the uk, but it's perfectly fine for kids to be injected? Talk about selfish.

[ŽižkovClaret]

So you think it's ridiculous you're vaccine isn't recognised by the uk, but it's perfectly fine for kids to be injected? Talk about selfish.

Yes, assuming its passed as safe for kids, of course

[Murger]

Yes, assuming its passed as safe for kids, of course

Doesn't that mean that the vaccine you've had is deemed unsafe to the Uk?

[ŽižkovClaret]

Doesn't that mean that the vaccine you've had is deemed unsafe to the Uk?

Ive had the Pfizer vaccine. The exact same one administered in the UK. It is farcical that it isn't recognised

[claretonthecoast1882]

So you think it's ridiculous you're vaccine isn't recognised by the uk, but it's perfectly fine for kids to be injected? Talk about selfish.

It isn't as selfish as someone who refuses to either have the vaccine or prove they have had it then them sitting potentially next to an elderly vulnerable member of the public all because they are a bit too cool for that.

[Greenmile]

Absolute madness the amount of people going along with this. So you need a jab to get into crowded places, does that include colleges, universities, schools etc? Someone's education determined by whether they have the jab is a sick joke.

You can determine someone’s education / intelligence by whether they’ve had the jab or not already (apart from medical exemptions, of course).

[RVclaret]

It isn't as selfish as someone who refuses to either have the vaccine or prove they have had it then them sitting potentially next to an elderly vulnerable member of the public all because they are a bit too cool for that.

1. You can still pass the virus on if you have had both jabs.
2. The 'elderly vulnerable' person will have had both jabs and therefore has 95% + chance of not developing serious illness.

[claretonthecoast1882]

1. You can still pass the virus on if you have had both jabs.
2. The 'elderly vulnerable' person will have had both jabs and therefore has 95% + chance of not developing serious illness.

Agree but it is about reducing risk and protecting others rather than being selfish

[RVclaret]

You can determine someone’s education / intelligence by whether they’ve had the jab or not already (apart from medical exemptions, of course).

embarassing.

[Greenmile]

embarassing.

You can also determine someone’s education by their ability (or otherwise) to spell basic English words.

[Murger]

You can determine someone’s education / intelligence by whether they’ve had the jab or not already (apart from medical exemptions, of course).

I've had my jab so your statement is moronic.

[Billy Balfour]

Ive had the Pfizer vaccine. The exact same one administered in the UK. It is farcical that it isn't recognised

The app will recognise your vaccination status by the end of this month, according to the Javid.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Perhaps they taken your advice and have educated themselves , and concluded that having, what is , an experimental vaccine administratered to themselves and their children isn't such a good idea.

Given the number of doses already administered by this point, just how much more testing would you like before you are happy with it?

[martin_p]

Perhaps they taken your advice and have educated themselves , and concluded that having, what is , an experimental vaccine administratered to themselves and their children isn't such a good idea.

It’s been approved by just about every major medical authority in the world.

[KRBFC]

The idea is to increase vaccine uptake in the 18/30 age group. The govt get a lot of wrong, like the current state of Pingland, however they are bang on the money with this one.

How is forcing young healthy people into getting the vaccine, spot on? Tell me, what happens 5 years after you get the vaccine? What are the possible complications and risks? I'm not against vaccination in general, I wont be putting this **** into my body though, I'd rather take the risk of Covid.

I forgot to mention, you're putting that crap into your body for what? You still have a high chance of catching Covid.

[ŽižkovClaret]

The app will recognise your vaccination status by the end of this month, according to the Javid.

I do hope so, but i won't be holding my breath. It feels political, not practical.

There already is a perfectly good app showing my status, all they need is to ensure they can read the QR code provided.

[WazzaClaret]

I'm in no way anti vax, I've had all of my previous jabs as has my son. Now because I am hesitant to take THIS vaccine still on trial until 2023 (long term effects unknown) when I'm at very low risk from covid anyway I am in fact the selfish one? This is what gets peoples backs up, labelling them for not wanting to be injected by something they aren't confident in for the benefit of others peace of mind. If you're vaccinated then great surely if they are that effective it won't matter if the person sat next to you hasn't. Or are they not that effective? And if not why are we putting them at a higher regard than a negative test?

[Greenmile]

I've had my jab so your statement is moronic.

This can only mean that you consider yourself to be lacking in intelligence / education.

There are exceptions to every rule, of course.

[RVclaret]

It’s been approved by just about every major medical authority in the world.

No, full approval has not yet been given.

[ŽižkovClaret]

How is forcing young healthy people into getting the vaccine, spot on? Tell me, what happens 5 years after you get the vaccine? What are the possible complications and risks? I'm not against vaccination in general, I wont be putting this **** into my body though, I'd rather take the risk of Covid.

I forgot to mention, you're putting that crap into your body for what? You still have a high chance of catching Covid.

5 years? I'll be on the 4th or so version of the vaccine, expecting that it has been improved and adapted to combat new variants.

[Lancasterclaret]

Just want to qualify, for my own sanity if nothing else, my objections to this are limited solely to vaccine passports.

Everyone should take this vaccine, ignore the people who say its not safe with very limited evidence, if any, so that we don't need vaccine passports.

Cheers!

[Greenmile]

You can determine someone’s education / intelligence by whether they’ve had the jab or not already (apart from medical exemptions, of course).

Perhaps they taken your advice and have educated themselves , and concluded that having, what is , an experimental vaccine administratered to themselves and their children isn't such a good idea.

How is forcing young healthy people into getting the vaccine, spot on? Tell me, what happens 5 years after you get the vaccine? What are the possible complications and risks? I'm not against vaccination in general, I wont be putting this **** into my body though, I'd rather take the risk of Covid.

I forgot to mention, you're putting that crap into your body for what? You still have a high chance of catching Covid.

QED

[RingoMcCartney]

Given the number of doses already administered by this point, just how much more testing would you like before you are happy with it?

The number of doses administratered is utterly irrelevant.

It doesn't change the fact that given the amount ot time passed since the first vaccinations were administratered is only a matter of months and the long term effects individuals or any children they may have in the future . Means for all intents and purposes , the vaccine is by its very nature, experimental.

[claret_in_exile]

Its wrong

Its either safe to have big crowds or it isn't

Exactly this. The selectiveness is abhorrent to me. Either the virus is serious enough to lock down the country or it's not. The government has let the power go straight to their heads.

[NottsClaret]

So far on here there’s not one surprising vaccine refusenik.

[RingoMcCartney]

It’s been approved by just about every major medical authority in the world.

Doesn't change the fact that the amount of time that's past since the first doses were given it would be impossible to assess any potential longterm detrimental side effects . It's still experimental.

[martin_p]

Exactly this. The selectiveness is abhorrent to me. Either the virus is serious enough to lock down the country or it's not. The government has let the power go straight to their heads.

But it’s not that black and white anymore. Six months ago I’d probably have agreed with you but it’s got to the stage now with vaccine take up where the reduced risk starts to be manageable.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Exactly this. The selectiveness is abhorrent to me. Either the virus is serious enough to lock down the country or it's not. The government has let the power go straight to their heads.

The point is, in the vaccinated, the symptoms are generally mild, and manageable. Of course there will be exceptions.

The risk of large gatherings is mitigated, but wont ever be zero.

We have moved into the phase of living with covid, and the risk of doing so is markedly less if you have had both jabs.

[fidelcastro]

How is forcing young healthy people into getting the vaccine, spot on? Tell me, what happens 5 years after you get the vaccine? What are the possible complications and risks? I'm not against vaccination in general, I wont be putting this **** into my body though, I'd rather take the risk of Covid.

I forgot to mention, you're putting that crap into your body for what? You still have a high chance of catching Covid.

Firstly, what proof do you have that the vaccine is crap?

Secondly, if you're a man of your word, does that mean you going to the Turf will soon be a thing of the past, if this proof of vaccine is required?