Summer 2021 Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[Guller Bull]

Sure I saw a quote from Lennon where he said “Give Pace a chance!”

[Goobs]

Sure I saw a quote from Lennon where he said “Give Pace a chance!”

Not really a surprise he is after a new contract after all

[BurnleyFC]

I don’t recall the Egyptian consortium being a particularly popular option on here.

Certainly wasn’t. Letters of protest were sent to the club, supposedly.

[minnieclaret]

Cut the sh!t, lets have it right, 95% of professional footballers would give their left testicle to play Premier League football on £50k-60k a week wages.

Correct but those 95% are not already playing PL football and there’s a reason. They are not good enough. Of the small percentage that are good enough some would be Championship players, like Brownhill, that many on here don’t see as upgrades and some would be abroad and, like Cornet, don’t fancy either of England or Burnley. If they are any good at all they will have counter offers from Spain, Italy or Germany. Quality leagues that pay good, if not PL, salaries.

[Lancasterclaret]

Pace is a chancer, it's simply an opportunity to make money for him and ALK. They aren't going to invest a single dollar from their own pockets, if it all goes tits up, they will sell the club and get a nice little payday and ride off back to America leaving the club in debt.

for ALK it's a win win win, they simply cannot financially lose.

It's genuinely incredible the PL approved the deal, Gary Neville was quite right to question Richard Scudamore about why the PL approved it. How on earth do you take full control of a PL club with £130m income yearly without spending a single dime on shares and without saddling yourself in debt.

The proof of funds check must've been lenient.

You'll have to take me through the (undoubtedly) complex accounting required where they spend money to buy the club, run it into the ground (by spending money on players and the ground) and then manage to sell it at a profit

Look, there are some of you on here who appear to spend your entire time trying to outdo the last, completely ridiculous, unbelievably negative and frankly childish posts posted by one of you.

Can you give it a rest please!

[Stalbansclaret]

There’s a difference, I take it you’re not looking to invest in a larger house
I’m amazed that the deal to purchase the club actually went through, our former custodians played a blinder for themselves.

I would very much like to move from my flat here into a house as it happens but prices in St Albans are, like those of Premier League quality footballers, crazy.

[Tall Paul]

lol KRBFC

How can ALK have acquired shares with a value of £170m (or whatever it is) without paying any of their own money or accruing a debt to another company or person? For every asset acquired there has to be a liability.

[joey13]

So you wanted Garlick to sell but to someone other than AKL - is that right?

If so what as far as you are aware was the other deal Garlick could have taken?

Im not trying to catch you out here im just trying to work out what people wanted who seem to be unhappy with Garlick not investing in the club and also unhappy with Garlick selling the club for what ALK were willing to pay. You at least seem to have another option but im honestly not aware of a second confirmed bid that could have been accepted by Garlick

I don’t know if the other deal was better for Burnley Football Club , what I do know is Garlick looked after himself and other shareholders, yet he’s lorded as some kind of saint on here , people need to open their eyes .

[joey13]

I’m not speaking for everyone in any way shape or form. I’m saying that I doubt that many, if any of us, would sell a football club for far less than its worth. Why would you do that?

I would have invested the moneys earned by the football club into the first team not my own pocket.

[Murger]

I don’t know if the other deal was better for Burnley Football Club , what I do know is Garlick looked after himself and other shareholders, yet he’s lorded as some kind of saint on here , people need to open their eyes .

It became clear what Garlick was up to after numerous shocking transfer windows. He was a businessman first and being a fan came a distant second.

[jojomk1]

Lennon to sign before 1.00pm deadline ?

[Hipper]

Sure I saw a quote from Lennon where he said “Give Pace a chance!”

Good imagine nation there.

[Claret_tinted]

It appears to me that Mr Garlick did what was best for Mr Garlick, to the detriment of Burnley FC. I am not sure how the rest of the former directors fared. Advantageously, in all probability.

Morally not why they were supposedly there.

The previous board invested their personal money, and therefore have every right to maximise that investment to their advantage.

At the time BFC wasn't an attractive investment, I’d even go as far to say it was a bad investment. The board brought us the world class training facilities, the thriving academy, and sustained Premier League football. The board and chairman had every right to ‘cash out’ their investment when they did. Morally they acted in the best interests of BFC, they left the place in a much better condition than they found it.

If they had been a front for private investment portfolios then you could discuss the morals of their actions and the deal.

The current board are equity investors, they’re looking to make money in and around the football club. Crackpots and sensible alike have spoke about there intentions over the last 18 months on the board.

[Claret_tinted]

I would have invested the moneys earned by the football club into the first team not my own pocket.

And if you win the lottery tonight you’ll invest say 80 million into BFC and never expect a penny of return? You’ll happily turn down the 7/8% (5 million ish) you’d return annually for doing nothing with it and run the risk of losing half of it if we’re relegated?

You’d run the liabilities of the club up to 100% and effectively bankrupt the club I’d say a global pandemic hits, or you’re club is relegated?

You’d do exactly or damn near enough the same as the board. Don’t pretend otherwise.

[KRBFC]

You'll have to take me through the (undoubtedly) complex accounting required where they spend money to buy the club, run it into the ground (by spending money on players and the ground) and then manage to sell it at a profit

Look, there are some of you on here who appear to spend your entire time trying to outdo the last, completely ridiculous, unbelievably negative and frankly childish posts posted by one of you.

Can you give it a rest please!

Spend money to buy the club? they reportedly haven't....

spending money on players and the ground? not their own money......

Sell it at a profit? there's absolutely no way they will sell at a profit if we are relegated....

If they sell the club for £20m right now, they've made a nice payday

[Devils_Advocate]

I don’t know if the other deal was better for Burnley Football Club , what I do know is Garlick looked after himself and other shareholders, yet he’s lorded as some kind of saint on here , people need to open their eyes .

In what way did he look after himself by selling the club?

Whoever he sold it to he would have got the money that the club was worth. There's an argument the way the deal is supposedly structured that if things goes badly Garlick might get back a debt ridden worthless club for the £Xm he is apparently still owed which feels far worse for Garlick than just selling it lock stock and barrel up front and walking away with all the cash

You can think that Garlick isn't some super fan/saint whilst still accepting that when you sell something you get paid what its worth and if that is a lot more that it was when you bought it well then thats just how buying and selling works.

The only other option it seems to you (and please correct me if im wrong) is that Garlick should have sold the club for less than what it is worth but all that does is let the new people who are nothing to do with the town or club have it on the cheap.

[KRBFC]

lol KRBFC

How can ALK have acquired shares with a value of £170m (or whatever it is) without paying any of their own money or accruing a debt to another company or person? For every asset acquired there has to be a liability.

The MSD debt of £60m is against the club, if ALk leave, the debt doesn't.

[Tall Paul]

The MSD debt of £60m is against the club, if ALk leave, the debt doesn't.

Explain how that works. What does "against the club" mean? If the club has taken on a liability, there must be a corresponding asset - ie ALK owes that money back to the club.

It's not as simple as you make out. ALK can't have acquired the club with no risk.

[Rileybobs]

What do you mean by they would, surely you meant they have got it on the cheap?

Are you aware the MSD loan is loaned against the club and not ALK?

Also, ALK haven't had to spend on shares, that money was already in the club.


You're acting like ALK have loaned against ALK and then bought the rest of the shares with their own money, confusing.

With respect it seems like you don’t know what you’re talking about. And despite numerous posters trying to assist in your understanding of the situation, you’re unwilling or incapable of listening. So for that reason, I’m out.

[jojomk1]

Have we signed anyone yet ?

Put any issues re takeover on another thread please !

[Rileybobs]

I would have invested the moneys earned by the football club into the first team not my own pocket.

You sound totally clueless.

[claretonthecoast1882]

You sound totally clueless.

You have far too much patience taking 2 on at the same time

[joey13]

And if you win the lottery tonight you’ll invest say 80 million into BFC and never expect a penny of return? You’ll happily turn down the 7/8% (5 million ish) you’d return annually for doing nothing with it and run the risk of losing half of it if we’re relegated?

You’d run the liabilities of the club up to 100% and effectively bankrupt the club I’d say a global pandemic hits, or you’re club is relegated?

You’d do exactly or damn near enough the same as the board. Don’t pretend otherwise.

Don’t tell me what I would or wouldn’t do , you don’t know me .

[Newcastleclaret93]

I suspect Lennon will sign today before 1pm so he can be registered for tomorrow.

Either that or maybe put Thompson on the bench as a back up RM

[joey13]

In what way did he look after himself by selling the club?

Whoever he sold it to he would have got the money that the club was worth. There's an argument the way the deal is supposedly structured that if things goes badly Garlick might get back a debt ridden worthless club for the £Xm he is apparently still owed which feels far worse for Garlick than just selling it lock stock and barrel up front and walking away with all the cash

You can think that Garlick isn't some super fan/saint whilst still accepting that when you sell something you get paid what its worth and if that is a lot more that it was when you bought it well then thats just how buying and selling works.

The only other option it seems to you (and please correct me if im wrong) is that Garlick should have sold the club for less than what it is worth but all that does is let the new people who are nothing to do with the town or club have it on the cheap.

Seriously

[jedi_master]

I suspect Lennon will sign today before 1pm so he can be registered for tomorrow.

Either that or maybe put Thompson on the bench as a back up RM

I hope he does to be honest, we need another option on the bench and with that now being nine spaces large, he is at least 'something' to throw on for 15 minutes (or sooner if JBG gets injured.....!). I am assuming Lennon coming in does not alter any of our 'intended' business so I have warmed to the idea of it as a pure squad depth addition. It absolutely needs to be Lennon plus - at least - another player though.

[LeadBelly]

Sure I saw a quote from Lennon where he said “Give Pace a chance!”

I heard he was trying to get to Holland or France- but, you know, it's not easy.

[Devils_Advocate]

Seriously

Im being serious. I dont have a foot in either camp but as i've said im trying to understand the viewpoint of people who wanted Garlick to sell and now are unhappy with him for selling the club.

Statements like "Garlick looked after himself" are easy to say but im trying to get down to real detail and facts that drive this opinion. You seemed open to discuss with me so im just pushing to get beneath the sweeping statements and emotive feelings and give me your real thought out reasons why Garlick selling the club for what it was worth was wrong and caused you to be unhappy.

I appreciate if you dont want to carry on but thats all im after as there's noone else whose come close to try and give a reason for what I see as a bit of a contradictory position.

Again I am not someone who has lauded Garlick as anything and just people cos some people may have gone overboard on how great he was does not justify any position relating to how he sold the club. So forget what other people think and explain the positions "Garlick should sell the club" "Garlick was wrong to sell the club" that you seem to have

[Lancasterclaret]

I don’t know if the other deal was better for Burnley Football Club , what I do know is Garlick looked after himself and other shareholders, yet he’s lorded as some kind of saint on here , people need to open their eyes .

Did Garlick put his own money in at the start?

Yes

Is he entitled to then sell his stake on when he wants to leave?

Yes

Has he been the chairman when we've had our most successful spell for decades?

Yes

[minnieclaret]

Brownhill is our back up wide right. Our squad of multi-positional players get us out of many holes.

[Lancasterclaret]

Argh

Forgot you can't edit anymore

Anyway, its perfectly possible that ALK turn out to be a disaster, but to blame Garlick for selling his shares (when loads wanted him to) to them is still unfair, especially when you bear in the mind the only other alternative was an unknown Egyptian grocery magnate, who was represented by someone who had helped almost destroy Charlton

[claretonthecoast1882]

Argh

Forgot you can't edit anymore

Anyway, its perfectly possible that ALK turn out to be a disaster, but to blame Garlick for selling his shares (when loads wanted him to) to them is still unfair, especially when you bear in the mind the only other alternative was an unknown Egyptian grocery magnate, who was represented by someone who had helped almost destroy Charlton

The problem being is that Pace and his group aren't taking the sugar daddy approach. This has been the cause of dislike for the noisiest from the beginning. They didn't want someone to come in and run the club the wanted them throwing money at players out their own pocket, once that didn't happen then the bad mouthing began.

[Devils_Advocate]

Argh

Forgot you can't edit anymore

Anyway, its perfectly possible that ALK turn out to be a disaster, but to blame Garlick for selling his shares (when loads wanted him to) to them is still unfair, especially when you bear in the mind the only other alternative was an unknown Egyptian grocery magnate, who was represented by someone who had helped almost destroy Charlton

Yep there are lots of logical positions to take beyond those like me who are just unsure and undecided

I wanted Garlick to sell, but Im unhappy who has ended up taking over the club
I wanted Garlick to sell and its much better under the new owners
I didnt want Garlick to sell but actually im happy now it has happened
I didnt want Garlic to sell and im unhappy with how the club is now owned

The strange position is those who wanted Garlick to sell and are unhappy that he got the money the club was worth from selling the club and somehow it is his fault if the buyers dont turn out to be the perfect new owners fans wanted

[Guitargeorge]

I find 95% of the comments on this transfer topic irrelevant and exasperating. Let’s stick to the subject matter and keep our views on the previous and present regimes for another time. Yes, they may be linked, but they are subjective views and who knows what is going on behind the scenes. I am sure the new regime understand that keeping this club in the Prem is the only way they and their investors will profit from the situation.

[Lancasterclaret]

The problem being is that Pace and his group aren't taking the sugar daddy approach. This has been the cause of dislike for the noisiest from the beginning. They didn't want someone to come in and run the club the wanted them throwing money at players out their own pocket, once that didn't happen then the bad mouthing began.

100%

In their defence, the premier league is full of clubs being run as vanity projects by insanely rich businessmen/countries/crooks and its accepted as "great for the brand" by far too many people.

[Devils_Advocate]

There is no transfer news to discuss and I can guarantee if some comes along all other side discussions will stop and there will be pages and pages just discussion the transfer news itself.

[Bigvince]

Oops wrong thread! Has anybody got a link for the transfer thread?

[claretburns]

Amad Diallo available for loan from Man Utd - https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... d-21290347

[Devils_Advocate]

Oops wrong thread! Has anybody got a link for the transfer thread?

High level summary to save you looking

[Goody1975]

Oops wrong thread! Has anybody got a link for the transfer thread?

No but I've got one to the takeover thread if that's any use?

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... start=9100

[joey13]

Did Garlick put his own money in at the start?

Yes

Is he entitled to then sell his stake on when he wants to leave?

Yes

Has he been the chairman when we've had our most successful spell for decades?

Yes

Has the manager, players, background staff, and supporters played their part in that success

Yes

Oh and by the way he hasn’t left

[Claret_tinted]

Don’t tell me what I would or wouldn’t do , you don’t know me .

I don’t, and I am thankful for that.

By the same logic, don’t tell the board what they should or shouldn’t have done. You weren’t in there shoes.

You’re a fan, that’s it. Be thankful that the previous board gave you all the brilliant memories and moments they did.

[Shaggy]

Got to admit as a tolerant person I’m even starting to get a bit fed up of the constant bickering about the owners/board on here.

All we know by those who do know a little about what’s going on is that we are trying to sign players. Which to me is positive.

Yes like the rest I will be gutted if all we manage to bring in from the remaining time I’m the window is Lennon but ever hopeful that we land one or 2 gems this window. Over and out.

[Boss Hogg]

I suspect Lennon will sign today before 1pm so he can be registered for tomorrow.

Either that or maybe put Thompson on the bench as a back up RM

I’m keeping my fingers crossed until 1pm then that it doesn’t happen.

[Jakubclaret]

100%

In their defence, the premier league is full of clubs being run as vanity projects by insanely rich businessmen/countries/crooks and its accepted as "great for the brand" by far too many people.

Or a more alternative genuine slant being passionate owners who are willing to sacrifice their own money in order for a business to become successful, just because our owners don’t seem to share that same vision I don’t think it’s sufficient grounds to criticise others.

[alwaysaclaret]

Not much regarding transfer window rumours in the last 20/30 posts, the argument of how alk acquired or didn't acquire the club or how much its now worth belongs on another thread imo, although I'm even less in favour of the takeover now than I was when it happened and that wasn't much, and to be fair not much to report in terms of transfer rumours, but whilst I've now mentioned transfer rumours, reports suggest this morning that pace is fully behind bringing recruits into the club, so where does the problem lie, imo part of it lies with dyche, it seems a prospective signing literally has to jump through hoops and back again to fit his criteria, it's clear that there are players out there he likes and who play in positions required but we just never seem to get past the rumours, just what's going on.

[Zom Zom]

The problem being is that Pace and his group aren't taking the sugar daddy approach. This has been the cause of dislike for the noisiest from the beginning. They didn't want someone to come in and run the club the wanted them throwing money at players out their own pocket, once that didn't happen then the bad mouthing began.

Exactly this ^^^

Lots of knee jerk reactions aimed at the new board and owners. We still need to be run viably, or we may just turn out to be another white elephant like Rovers. I know what I prefer.

Just because they are not sending ripples through the media about the players they are chasing, doesn’t mean that nothing is happening. And as I said before, and Mr Pace has alluded to, they are trying to build the club up. Not just the first team. The entire structure and infrastructure. Looking at new revenue streams, improving what we have and almost certainly developing Burnley as a marketable name on a much bigger scale. It takes time. And never have they suggested that they were going to take any other approach.

[ClaretTony]

Not much regarding transfer window rumours in the last 20/30 posts, the argument of how alk acquired or didn't acquire the club or how much its now worth belongs on another thread imo

Spot on - this is the transfer rumours thread

[kentonclaret]

All hypothetical, but it would have been interesting to see how long the squad rebuilding process (suggested by many posters on here to be a monumental task) would have taken at Crystal Palace had Dyche moved there. With new players needing to meet a certain set of criteria (or so it appears) it would not have been a relatively straightforward task. Even with extra funds available the right players have to be available,identified and brought in.

[KRBFC]

The problem being is that Pace and his group aren't taking the sugar daddy approach. This has been the cause of dislike for the noisiest from the beginning. They didn't want someone to come in and run the club the wanted them throwing money at players out their own pocket, once that didn't happen then the bad mouthing began.

What has purchasing their own shares got to do with being a sugar daddy?