All those empty seats

[taio]

People are bored,it's a great day is Saturday during the football season the build up to the game is brilliant a few beers and Banter with your buddies...but then you have to watch the same old same old on the pitch,let's face it,its boring simple as that,people are bored with the same 11 players and the lame excuses,its dying a death

Best not to try to speak for everyone. I know several people who couldn't attend but not because they were bored.

[fidelcastro]

Exactly that's why there is so many empty seats.

If your posts are anything to go by, you won't be missed.

[Dinks]

If your posts are anything to go by, you won't be missed.

Ok,you still didn't get out of your crass post.

[fidelcastro]

Ok,you still didn't get out of your crass post.

Which crass post?

[Dinks]

Which crass post?

Look up the meaning of Crass in the dictionary then you will know
Have a nice day

[fidelcastro]

Look up the meaning of Crass in the dictionary then you will know
Have a nice day

I know what it means. I just don't see how it relates to my posts.

Have a nice day.

[what_no_pies]

£50 for a walk on ticket to sit with my family now. I'll not be going as often as a result.

A friend (would be a brand new supporter) tried to buy a season ticket online last week and called me to ask why he couldn't. I didn't know. He's since decided he'll wait and see if they'll do a half season ticket instead.

Shooting ourselves in the foot.

[ClaretLoup]

The season ticket thing on the web site is weird. Its says they are available then immediately below says they aren’t. There is no indication of whether they are available via phone or visiting the ground in person and there appears to be no price list so I assume sales are all finished.

[paulatky]

I would buy a ST even at £360. That's £20/match with 18 games left.
I will not pay £30, when I could pay £20.

On principal, I will not drive (80 mile round trip) to Burnley in order to buy a ST.
I have just checked, they are still not for sale online.
Last time their excuse was, that there isn't time to post one out.
Now, I wonder, what the excuse is?

They clearly, aren't bothered if I am there or not.
I am getting to that point too.

16,910. I doubt there were that many on.
Even so, is that not our lowest ever Premier League attendance?

Cant you order by email and have the ST posted out.

[Top Claret]

The attendance is concerning, you always get a bumper gate for the 1st home game of the season know matter who you are playing.

[joey13]

Yep - how about the foodbank and BFC in the community working together with supporters to provide 4500 parcels since start of the year providing food to 10,500, which 4000 of which were children.

Also providing a recent donation of £10k to MIND in terms of helping support for those with mental health issues.

What about the free game that they balloted at the end of the last season and when those turned up - provided a free facemask, bottle of water and hand sanitiser?

I'm pretty sure too that this is evidence of how Burnley is a community club. It's not about providing access to the premier league for nothing to those on low incomes.

It sounds harsh but you can get reasonably priced tickets and season tickets. If they are not affordable then that is unfortunate but the way that they can continue to help the community and town is by being a successful football club on and off the field.

To do this they have to generate commercial income and whilst I am not suggesting the club should have a blank cheque to charge what they want, I think the recent changes to pricing were inevitable given the years of price freezes.

So why all the empty seats then ?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Only a few thousand less than the first home games of 2018 and 2019 seasons.

Considering what's gone on in the world that's not bad.

[joey13]

Only a few thousand less than the first home games of 2018 and 2019 seasons.

Considering what's gone on in the world that's not bad.

Did other clubs attendances suffer like ours , the likes of Huddersfield managed to shift nearly 15k season tickets even with their on/off field problems

[clarethomer]

So why all the empty seats then ?

I’ve already suggested why there may have been empty seats.

- people on holiday as I’m pretty sure my block was showing sold out for tickets and there were a few gaps.

- I think there have been delays in corporate areas if I had understood what pace had said on an interview.

- undoubtedly there will be people who just cannot afford or justify the spend given their situation.

Doesn’t mean the club are not supporting the community though. Being a community club doesn’t mean they have a model which means everyone in the community can attend.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Did other clubs attendances suffer like ours , the likes of Huddersfield managed to shift nearly 15k season tickets even with their on/off field problems

Do your own research.

[joey13]

Do your own research.

So you made a comment without doing your own research then , bog standard for you that ,well done

[gawthorpe_view]

Judging by the queue for the “sniff boxes” in the CFS at half time, doesnt appear to be a shortage of money round these parts.

What's a 'sniff box'?

[IanMcL]

Sad.
Get the seats filled!

Come on you Clarets

[GodIsADeeJay81]

So you made a comment without doing your own research then , bog standard for you that ,well done

I checked our previous normal season opening home games compared to this one and made my comment that we aren't that far down on numbers.

19k and 18k if you're wondering.

You've asked me about another club and I've told you to look for yourself.

Standard for you more like to not bother checking and expect someone else to do it for you.

Go use the internet and do your own research.

[rats]

Don't be drawn in joey13 certain posters won't accept it was a **** poor turn out

[GodIsADeeJay81]

What's a 'sniff box'?

Cocaine.

[joey13]

I checked our previous normal season opening home games compared to this one and made my comment that we aren't that far down on numbers.

19k and 18k if you're wondering.

You've asked me about another club and I've told you to look for yourself.

Standard for you more like to not bother checking and expect someone else to do it for you.

Go use the internet and do your own research.

Wow , I guessed you was ignorant but you’ve excelled there

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Wow , I guessed you was ignorant but you’ve excelled there

20210810_233022.jpg (21.37 KiB) Viewed 3815 times

[joey13]

I’ve already suggested why there may have been empty seats.

- people on holiday as I’m pretty sure my block was showing sold out for tickets and there were a few gaps.

- I think there have been delays in corporate areas if I had understood what pace had said on an interview.

- undoubtedly there will be people who just cannot afford or justify the spend given their situation.

Doesn’t mean the club are not supporting the community though. Being a community club doesn’t mean they have a model which means everyone in the community can attend.

Aren’t sold tickets included in the attendance (sorry for not researching the answer)

[KRBFC]

I checked our previous normal season opening home games compared to this one and made my comment that we aren't that far down on numbers.

19k and 18k if you're wondering.

You've asked me about another club and I've told you to look for yourself.

Standard for you more like to not bother checking and expect someone else to do it for you.

Go use the internet and do your own research.

''a few thousand down'' is a considerable drop though.... Almost 20% down.
Not to mention, the numbers posted are never actually accurate to how many seats are sat in.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

''a few thousand down'' is a considerable drop though.... Almost 20% down.
Not to mention, the numbers posted are never actually accurate to how many seats are sat in.

Season ticket sales are always included in attendance figures yes.

Hence why holidays will explain some of the seats being empty, work etc.
Where I sat yesterday, longside lower, front row, block 6, No 125, the 5 seats next to me were all season ticket holders but 2 of them weren't there.

[taio]

Season ticket sales are always included in attendance figures yes.

Hence why holidays will explain some of the seats being empty, work etc.
Where I sat yesterday, longside lower, front row, block 6, No 125, the 5 seats next to me were all season ticket holders but 2 of them weren't there.

Holidays wont necessarily explain why we are down on previous seasons especially when you consider so many people aren't going abroad this summer. In any case hopefully it was a one-off blip because of course we need to be maximising revenues in any which we can.

[rats]

so you were one of the 10 sat in there

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Holidays wont necessarily explain why we are down on previous seasons especially when you consider so many people aren't going abroad this summer. In any case hopefully it was a one-off blip because of course we need to be maximising revenues in any which we can.

Covid - several on here whinged about the potential spot checks.

[fidelcastro]

Covid - several on here whinged about the potential spot checks.

That reminds me. Did anyone actually get asked for photo ID or proof of vaccination?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

That reminds me. Did anyone actually get asked for photo ID or proof of vaccination?

I didn't, didn't see anyone else being asked either.
I had everything handy incase though

[fidelcastro]

I didn't, didn't see anyone else being asked either.
I had everything handy incase though

I didn’t hear of anyone being asked either.

Perhaps it was all a bit of scaremongering, eh?

[KRBFC]

Season ticket sales are always included in attendance figures yes.

Hence why holidays will explain some of the seats being empty, work etc.
Where I sat yesterday, longside lower, front row, block 6, No 125, the 5 seats next to me were all season ticket holders but 2 of them weren't there.

Holidays doesn't explain the actual attendance figure being significantly down though, as you say tickets sold is the figure not seats sat in.

[claretandy]

Plenty of empty seats near me, (middle of JMU ST holders).

[Quickenthetempo]

I didn’t hear of anyone being asked either.

Perhaps it was all a bit of scaremongering, eh?

It was all a load of baloney.

What was the point of asking someone when whatever the answer was, you could still go in?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Holidays doesn't explain the actual attendance figure being significantly down though, as you say tickets sold is the figure not seats sat in.

Money - school holidays, so keeping kids entertained plus Furlough is still in use meaning monies are down.

Covid - some people are genuinely concerned about being amongst large crowds, especially as we have anti vaxxers around, plus some don't want to bother proving who they are and their Covid status.

My 2 teenage boys couldn't come, they wouldn't pass a Covid test as they've had it very recently.

Work - Saturday afternoon, some are at work

Habit - the habit of football games has been eroded for 18mths now, people found other ways to pass their time.

There will be some who just genuinely cannot be bothered anymore though for footballing reasons.

[fidelcastro]

It was all a load of baloney.

What was the point of asking someone when whatever the answer was, you could still go in?

It's all relative, but I noticed Chelsea's crowd was slightly down on pre-covid levels.

I'm guessing this is because they insisted on proof of vaccine?

Therefore, if our attendances are low now, then come October...

[barrowclaret]

I have been watching Burnley for over 50 years and have been a season ticket holder for most of those, including the last 20 or so. My Dad took me to the match from the age of 5, an example I followed with my own children. This year I didn't renew. Reasons for this include:- my son who I normally attend with is now away at Uni; there has been no significant investment in the team for 3 years; the style of play is turgid and inflexible; Premier League wages are an insult to hard working people; the former directors sold our "dry powder keg" to the highest bidder and left the club in debt; I don't understand why the new owners wanted to buy a football club and it doesn't seem they have the money to allow us to 'compete' in the Premier League.
The achievements of the last few years have been incredible, down to a manager who gets the best out of honest players who sweat blood for the shirt. A turning point for me was last year's exit from the FA cup - we didn't seem to value the possibility of a Wembley experience, it wasn't deemed worthy of risking our Premier league status for. This was anathema to me:a potential memorable football club experience sacrificed for Premier League survival and a continued relegation battle against the odds. This is no longer a dream I wish to dare about and to get excited by, despite it providing riches for management and players.
I'm content to take a break from the football and see how things develop. Burnley football club is still very much in my blood and I will watch with interest how things develop. Maybe a new league, manager and a return to the youth policy and style of play of the 70s will do it for me. I really hope so.

[KRBFC]

Money - school holidays, so keeping kids entertained plus Furlough is still in use meaning monies are down.

Covid - some people are genuinely concerned about being amongst large crowds, especially as we have anti vaxxers around, plus some don't want to bother proving who they are and their Covid status.

My 2 teenage boys couldn't come, they wouldn't pass a Covid test as they've had it very recently.

Work - Saturday afternoon, some are at work

Habit - the habit of football games has been eroded for 18mths now, people found other ways to pass their time.

There will be some who just genuinely cannot be bothered anymore though for footballing reasons.

I agree with your reasoning but I don't think increasing ticket prices is the answer to selling more seats.

[BurnleyFC]

I have been watching Burnley for over 50 years and have been a season ticket holder for most of those, including the last 20 or so. My Dad took me to the match from the age of 5, an example I followed with my own children. This year I didn't renew. Reasons for this include:- my son who I normally attend with is now away at Uni; there has been no significant investment in the team for 3 years; the style of play is turgid and inflexible; Premier League wages are an insult to hard working people; the former directors sold our "dry powder keg" to the highest bidder and left the club in debt; I don't understand why the new owners wanted to buy a football club and it doesn't seem they have the money to allow us to 'compete' in the Premier League.
The achievements of the last few years have been incredible, down to a manager who gets the best out of honest players who sweat blood for the shirt. A turning point for me was last year's exit from the FA cup - we didn't seem to value the possibility of a Wembley experience, it wasn't deemed worthy of risking our Premier league status for. This was anathema to me:a potential memorable football club experience sacrificed for Premier League survival and a continued relegation battle against the odds. This is no longer a dream I wish to dare about and to get excited by, despite it providing riches for management and players.
I'm content to take a break from the football and see how things develop. Burnley football club is still very much in my blood and I will watch with interest how things develop. Maybe a new league, manager and a return to the youth policy and style of play of the 70s will do it for me. I really hope so.

Difficult to argue with a lot of those points.

[Rileybobs]

Let’s not forget the number of people who are having to isolate, and just those who don’t quite feel ready to be in and amongst large crowds of people. Plenty of empty seats on show at Spurs now.

[KRBFC]

I have been watching Burnley for over 50 years and have been a season ticket holder for most of those, including the last 20 or so. My Dad took me to the match from the age of 5, an example I followed with my own children. This year I didn't renew. Reasons for this include:- my son who I normally attend with is now away at Uni; there has been no significant investment in the team for 3 years; the style of play is turgid and inflexible; Premier League wages are an insult to hard working people; the former directors sold our "dry powder keg" to the highest bidder and left the club in debt; I don't understand why the new owners wanted to buy a football club and it doesn't seem they have the money to allow us to 'compete' in the Premier League.
The achievements of the last few years have been incredible, down to a manager who gets the best out of honest players who sweat blood for the shirt. A turning point for me was last year's exit from the FA cup - we didn't seem to value the possibility of a Wembley experience, it wasn't deemed worthy of risking our Premier league status for. This was anathema to me:a potential memorable football club experience sacrificed for Premier League survival and a continued relegation battle against the odds. This is no longer a dream I wish to dare about and to get excited by, despite it providing riches for management and players.
I'm content to take a break from the football and see how things develop. Burnley football club is still very much in my blood and I will watch with interest how things develop. Maybe a new league, manager and a return to the youth policy and style of play of the 70s will do it for me. I really hope so.

I'm in the exact same boat, the clubs stale and boring for me, the matchday atmosphere has really gone downhill, I prefer packed out away games than quiet empty home games, it's a bit soulless.

[fidelcastro]

I have been watching Burnley for over 50 years and have been a season ticket holder for most of those, including the last 20 or so. My Dad took me to the match from the age of 5, an example I followed with my own children. This year I didn't renew. Reasons for this include:- my son who I normally attend with is now away at Uni; there has been no significant investment in the team for 3 years; the style of play is turgid and inflexible; Premier League wages are an insult to hard working people; the former directors sold our "dry powder keg" to the highest bidder and left the club in debt; I don't understand why the new owners wanted to buy a football club and it doesn't seem they have the money to allow us to 'compete' in the Premier League.
The achievements of the last few years have been incredible, down to a manager who gets the best out of honest players who sweat blood for the shirt. A turning point for me was last year's exit from the FA cup - we didn't seem to value the possibility of a Wembley experience, it wasn't deemed worthy of risking our Premier league status for. This was anathema to me:a potential memorable football club experience sacrificed for Premier League survival and a continued relegation battle against the odds. This is no longer a dream I wish to dare about and to get excited by, despite it providing riches for management and players.
I'm content to take a break from the football and see how things develop. Burnley football club is still very much in my blood and I will watch with interest how things develop. Maybe a new league, manager and a return to the youth policy and style of play of the 70s will do it for me. I really hope so.

So, what you're saying is, that if we get relegated, you'll consider going back on?

Strange logic.

[2 Bee Holed]

Cant you order by email and have the ST posted out.

I suppose it's then how to pay.

Should customers be having to go to such lengths?

[KRBFC]

So, what you're saying is, that if we get relegated, you'll consider going back on?

Strange logic.

I'm not sure who you are to question his decision

[buzzclarets79]

I have been watching Burnley for over 50 years and have been a season ticket holder for most of those, including the last 20 or so. My Dad took me to the match from the age of 5, an example I followed with my own children. This year I didn't renew. Reasons for this include:- my son who I normally attend with is now away at Uni; there has been no significant investment in the team for 3 years; the style of play is turgid and inflexible; Premier League wages are an insult to hard working people; the former directors sold our "dry powder keg" to the highest bidder and left the club in debt; I don't understand why the new owners wanted to buy a football club and it doesn't seem they have the money to allow us to 'compete' in the Premier League.
The achievements of the last few years have been incredible, down to a manager who gets the best out of honest players who sweat blood for the shirt. A turning point for me was last year's exit from the FA cup - we didn't seem to value the possibility of a Wembley experience, it wasn't deemed worthy of risking our Premier league status for. This was anathema to me:a potential memorable football club experience sacrificed for Premier League survival and a continued relegation battle against the odds. This is no longer a dream I wish to dare about and to get excited by, despite it providing riches for management and players.
I'm content to take a break from the football and see how things develop. Burnley football club is still very much in my blood and I will watch with interest how things develop. Maybe a new league, manager and a return to the youth policy and style of play of the 70s will do it for me. I really hope so.

This is the best post I’ve read possibly on this board. The FA cup exit especially, such a great chance in our hands and we basically threw it away.

It’ll be interesting to see attendances say in Nov/Dec if there is no investment in first 11, and we continue to struggle at home. There’s no easy games and it’s hard to see where that home win is going to come from.

[taio]

So, what you're saying is, that if we get relegated, you'll consider going back on?

Strange logic.

He's said much more than that in his considered post.

[fidelcastro]

I'm not sure who you are to question his decision

Just a supporter, like him (or at least he was).

I fail to understand how being in the Premier League forces people away.

[Vegas Claret]

I know a couple of lads that have long been going on the Turf as season ticket holders and as walk ons over the last 40 years, this season they have ditched it and are going to various non league games because they hate the Premier League. I suspect there are a few others doing the same

[fidelcastro]

He's said much more than that in his considered post.

Read his last paragraph. He mentions a new manager, new league, and a return to 70's football!

He may get his wish, apart from the 70's football bit, as the game has moved on.