Burnley v Brighton - Player Ratings

[ksrclaret]

Pope 6
Lowton 6
Tarkowski 6
Mee 6
Taylor 6
JBG 7
Westwood 6
Cork 6
McNeil 6
Wood 6
Rodriquez 5

Barnes 4

Great to be back and the goal after 2 mins was fabulous. The realities of our squad meant that we couldn't sustain a performance over 90 minutes though and Brighton did look a different team in the second half. 17th would be a miracle if we can pull it off.

[Burnley1989]

Yes and….

He likes a big lad

Had the same issue with my first Mrs

[CrosspoolClarets]

Pope 6
Lowton 6
Tarkowski 7
Mee 5
Taylor 6
Gudmundsson 8
Westwood 6
Cork 5
McNeil 6
Wood 6
Rodriguez 5

Barnes 4

A puzzling throw away which is unlike us so hopefully these are cobwebs to be shaken off fast.

Mee was odd in not only missing the header at one end but also missing blocks for either of their goals (from his side). Wood looked tired after Japan. McNeil very poor but they doubled up well. Barnes did nothing but his mates lumped it up by then to the three tallest, most one dimensional CBs in the league. Why Vydra didn’t play earlier is one of life’s mysteries. It is another of those weird Dychisms where all the fans can see the same thing - that their CBs would hate pace and movement.

It was all very odd. Maybe I was just in a daze after being bombarded by that AstroPay advert for 90 minutes. But good to be back nonetheless.

[Peter Loo]

He likes a big lad

Had the same issue with my first Mrs

Weather he likes a big lad or not most would agree that Vydra offers something different which has to be a positive thing.

11 giants in a team means nothing in a team.

[Peter Loo]

Was Collins on the bench today or not.

[COBBLE]

Hope you can work out that I meant to give Ben an 8 for being him. Oh God we need to change midfield. No edit is going to be a life changer for this board.

[Stacks]

Next week

Same starters except

Brownhill - Cork
Vydra - Jay

[DAVETHEVICAR]

Pope 7
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 7
Mee 7
Taylor 7

Gudmundsson 7
Westwood 6
Cork 6
MacNeil 6

Wood 6
Rodriguez 6

Barnes 6

[Peter Loo]

So was Collins injured?

[Dark Cloud]

Hope you can work out that I meant to give Ben an 8 for being him. Oh God we need to change midfield. No edit is going to be a life changer for this board.

Agreed!! Lack of editing is bloody killing me!!!

[IanMcL]

Pope 6
Lowton 6
Tarkowski 6
Mee 6
Taylor 7
JBG 7
Westwood 6
Cork 5
McNeil 5
Wood 6
Rodriguez 6

Barnes 5

[THEWELLERNUT70]

A difficult one to mark imo because for 60 minutes we played well... However we are so rigid, can't adapt to change, we don't learn from our mistakes and it will always cost us.
I love Dyche and we will never be relegated under him, but Fcku me it's a frustrating what by en large

Pope 8
Lowton 6
Mee 6
Tarkowski 6
Taylor 5
JBG 8 mom
Westwood 5
Cork 5
McNeil 5
Wood 5
Rodriguez 4

Barnes 3 done at this level and it's pathetic he was considered adequate or or a game changer in front of Vydra
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[Zenwisdom]

Pope 7
Lowton 6
Tarks 7
Mee 6
Taylor 5
Jbg 8
Cork 4
Westwood 3
MCNeil 5
Wood 6
Rodriguez 5
Barnes 3

Dyche 4
Agree with vino blanco
Game of 2 half’s ran out of steam and ideas
2nd half
Vydra spends to much time on the floor to have an impact
not sure why though fragile ?

[Flat Stanley]

Pope 6
Lowton 6
Tarks 7
Mee 6
Taylor 5
McNeil 6
Cork 5
Westwood 5
JBG 7
Wood 5
J Rod 6

Barnes 3

[Colburn_Claret]

Pope 7
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 7
Mee 7
Taylor 7

Gudmundsson 7
Westwood 6
Cork 6
MacNeil 7

Wood 6
Rodriguez 6

Barnes 6


Strange game should have had it seen up by half time, but as legs tired 2nd half, our football went downhill. Better subs could have helped, and better timing of rhe subs, but oh for the days when we looked like we could run for 110 mins and the other team looked knackered.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Pope 7
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 7
Mee 6
Taylor 6
JBG 8
Westwood 6
Cork 6
McNeil 6
Rodriguez 5
Wood 6

Barnes 3

[strayclaret]

Pope 6
Lowton 6
Tarkowski 6
Mee 6
Taylor 7
JBG 7
Westwood 6
Cork 6
McNeil 5
Wood 6
Rodriguez 6

Barnes 4
Controlled the game for 70 minutes. Strange substitution possibly cost us, but they were slick down our left hand side and we don’t do slick. I am afraid we need slick to survive and I can’t see it coming. The old workhorse ethnic is catching us up

[ClaretMov]

First half

Team 6 or 7's
Dyche 5 Vydra needs to partner Wood without him he looks average

Second half
Team 4's and the odd 5
Dyche 1, where were you tactically wise ?? Why can't you change a game like other managers do, why don't you have a plan B

[ClaretMov]

Pope 7
Lowton 7
Tarkowski 7
Mee 7
Taylor 7

Gudmundsson 7
Westwood 6
Cork 6
MacNeil 7

Wood 6
Rodriguez 6

Barnes 6


Strange game should have had it seen up by half time, but as legs tired 2nd half, our football went downhill. Better subs could have helped, and better timing of rhe subs, but oh for the days when we looked like we could run for 110 mins and the other team looked knackered.

That's never going to happend when we have a care home xl on the pitch, this team is at least 2 seasons past its use by date

[ClaretMov]

Pope 7
Lowton 6
Tarks 7
Mee 6
Taylor 5
Jbg 8
Cork 4
Westwood 3
MCNeil 5
Wood 6
Rodriguez 5
Barnes 3

Dyche 4
Agree with vino blanco
Game of 2 half’s ran out of steam and ideas
2nd half
Vydra spends to much time on the floor to have an impact
not sure why though fragile ?

Maybe because he runs a lot gets blocked, fouled, it's something we aren't seeing often with this old squad and forgot when a player with a little bit of pace plays

[claretblue]

Pope 6
Lowton 6
Mee 7
Tarka 7
Taylor 6
JBG 7
Westwood 6
Cork 5
McNeil 7
Rodriguez 5
Wood 6

Brownhill 5
Barnes 4
Vydra 6

[bfcjg]

Pope 6 surprisingly little to do however I think he hesitated coming for the ball for the first goal
Lowton 6
Tarkowski 7
Mee 7
Taylor 6
JBG 8 mom, hope he keeps it up.
Westwood 6
Cork 5
McNeil 6
Wood 6 garbage service for him
Rodriguez 4

Barnes 3 past it, embarrassing.
Dyche 3 judged on decisions he got them all wrong again.

[nil_desperandum]

Great to be back and the goal after 2 mins was fabulous. The realities of our squad meant that we couldn't sustain a performance over 90 minutes though ......

But is that true?
Once Lallana came on they totally dominated play in midfield, and Macneil, JBG and the strikers couldn't get in the game.
It was crying out for Pieters and Brownhill to provide new legs and a slightly different shape in midfield, and of course fresh legs in Vydra upfront.
It wasn't lack of bodies on the bench that lost us this match, but failure to utilise them correctly. (IMO)
Would we have conceded either of the goals had Pieters been on for Macneil?

[Stayingup]

But is that true?
Once Lallana came on they totally dominated play in midfield, and Macneil, JBG and the strikers couldn't get in the game.
It was crying out for Pieters and Brownhill to provide new legs and a slightly different shape in midfield, and of course fresh legs in Vydra upfront.
It wasn't lack of bodies on the bench that lost us this match, but failure to utilise them correctly. (IMO)
Would we have conceded either of the goals had Pieters been on for Macneil?

Yes a point I have raised on another thread had Pieters been on would we have conceded? When they started to dominate midfield and we were one up the golden rule dont concede should have been applied. Meaning shore it up

[the_magic_rat]

Pope 6

Lowton 7
Tarkowski 7
Mee 7
Taylor 6

Gudmundsson 7 MOM
Westwood 6
Cork 6
McNeil 5

Wood 6
Rodriguez 6

Barnes 5
Brownhill 5

[Peter Loo]

Pope 7
Lowton 7
Tarks 7
Mee 7
Taylor 6
Westwood 6
Cork 6
JBG 8
McNeil 7
Jayrod 6
Wood 5

Barnes 4

Let's be honest the best team lost. Clarets were much the better side basically throughout, but mainly in the first half. Yet Brighton stole the points with their only 2 incisive attacks (other than very decent corners) in the entire game. I feel I can't be churlish because we do it all the time and have been doing it for 6 years. Playing second fiddle and yet winning games, so fair enough! I was actually heartened by how good we looked tbh and by how good JBG was in particular, but ultimately we got nowt from a lower table rival and that's got to be a real worry.

I wasn't at the game but that's reasuring for the future DC.

[ksrclaret]

But is that true?
Once Lallana came on they totally dominated play in midfield, and Macneil, JBG and the strikers couldn't get in the game.
It was crying out for Pieters and Brownhill to provide new legs and a slightly different shape in midfield, and of course fresh legs in Vydra upfront.
It wasn't lack of bodies on the bench that lost us this match, but failure to utilise them correctly. (IMO)
Would we have conceded either of the goals had Pieters been on for Macneil?

Who knows if we'd have conceded that goal with Pieters on. That's not a question anyone can answer. You'd think it less likely but that's not to say we wouldn't have conceded at all.

It all boils down to the fact that Dyche does not have sufficient confidence in his bench to make the changes when required. Everyone in the stadium could see that Brighton were dominating in the middle and we needed something different. I don't actually believe that Dyche is the only person who couldn't see what was happening. He just didn't have the options that he was confident could help us out. And we all know by now that Dyche would rather make no changes at all than bring someone on for the sake of it.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Who knows if we'd have conceded that goal with Pieters on. That's not a question anyone can answer. You'd think it less likely but that's not to say we wouldn't have conceded at all.

It all boils down to the fact that Dyche does not have sufficient confidence in his bench to make the changes when required. Everyone in the stadium could see that Brighton were dominating in the middle and we needed something different. I don't actually believe that Dyche is the only person who couldn't see what was happening. He just didn't have the options that he was confident could help us out. And we all know by now that Dyche would rather make no changes at all than bring someone on for the sake of it.

I said it a while ago. I don’t think Dyche has confidence in Brownhill. I thought Cork was great in the first half but was obviously struggling in the second physically. The change should have happened just after half time.

[KateR]

Pope 7
Taylor 7
Tarks 8
Mee 7
Lowton 6
Cork 7
Westwood 7
Gudmundsson 8
McNeil 7
Wood 6
Rodriguez 6

Subs

Barnes 6
Brownhill na
Vydra na

[BabylonClaret]

Makes me laugh here when people are talking about scoring up and changing g shape to block out midfield. If Dyche had done that he would have been battered on here .

He made the change to try and get the 2nd (which at that time looked more likely than a poor Brighton team scoring). Sadly Barnes struggled (can't understand d why he didn't bring on Vydra unless he felt Ash would present more of a physical challenge for their back 3) then we got hut by a lucky breakaway and a decent counter attack.

Even Brighton fans coming off couldn't believe they won that. When an away fan tells you "hard luck you deserved something there and you must feel like you were muggsd" you know that should be 3 points for the home side and Brighton deserved nothing. But that's the way ut goes.

Marks
Pope 6 (literally nothing to do all game)
Lowton 7
Tarks 7
Mee 7
Charlie 6
Guddy 8
Cork 6
Westwood 7
Dwight 6
Jay 5
Wood 6

Barnes 4

[Vino blanco]

Didn’t someone say previously on here that Sean’s reason for bringing Barnes on was that “he defends from the front”. Says it all really.

[nil_desperandum]

Makes me laugh here when people are talking about scoring up and changing g shape to block out midfield. If Dyche had done that he would have been battered on here .

He made the change to try and get the 2nd (which at that time looked more likely than a poor Brighton team scoring).

And yet just about everyone on this board (and everyone I know) thought that Brighton were way on top for the 15 / 20 minutes or so leading up to the Barnes substitution, and we looked almost shot. We could hardly keep hold of the ball, and Bissouma and Lallana were dominating midfield.
That's why pretty much everyone on here felt that we needed fresh legs in midfield and wide at least 10 minutes before he threw Barnes on "to defend from the front". (Dyche's words)
No point having JBG and Macneil wide, and two up front if they hardly get a foot on the ball.

[BabylonClaret]

And yet just about everyone on this board (and everyone I know) thought that Brighton were way on top for the 15 / 20 minutes or so leading up to the Barnes substitution, and we looked almost shot. We could hardly keep hold of the ball, and Bissouma and Lallana were dominating midfield.
That's why pretty much everyone on here felt that we needed fresh legs in midfield and wide at least 10 minutes before he threw Barnes on "to defend from the front". (Dyche's words)
No point having JBG and Macneil wide, and two up front if they hardly get a foot on the ball.

Except the Brighton fans I was talking to thought they got away with robbery. And most of our fans I've talked to (except a bunch on here) thought although they did well 2nd half they created the square root of **** all and their first goal was a lucky break to send Bissouma racing through.

Bottom line is we should comfortably won and without a huge slice of bad luck (plus a shite ref decision which should have seen them down to 10 men for a cynical last man foul on the edge of the area) we would have

[Scott Arfield's Swag]

Pope 6
Lowton 6
Tarkowski 6
Mee 6
Taylor 6
JBG 7*
Westwood 6
Cork 6
McNeil 5
Rodriguez 6
Wood 5

Barnes 3

[Ric_C]

Frustrating and strange game, as others have said, our weak bench and lack of options was cruelly exposed unfortunately. On another day we'd have won that fairly comfortably.

Pope 6 - Didn't have anything to do really
Lowton 7 - Thought he was very good
Tarkowski 7 - Standard
Mee 6 - Badly positioned for both goals?
Taylor 5 - Thought he was good going forward, but seemed to be half a yard short, and out of gas. Seeing MOTD was even worse, as he ambled out to meet the crosser both times, must do better
JBG 7 - Very good first half, then in the second reverted to type, cut inside everytime and delivered a barrage of floaty crosses.
Westwood 6 - Did ok
Cork 6 - Same as Westwood. Are they too similar?
McNeil 5 - Off day for him. Looked shattered after 60 mins. If we'd have actually bought some wingers already, he'd have been taken off for fresh legs after 60 mins.
Rodriguez 5 - I'm sorry to say, he offers very little at the moment.
Wood 5 - Poor day at the office

Barnes 4 - Tried hard, but seemed to lose it every time we got it.

Vydra has to start from now on.

[nil_desperandum]

Except the Brighton fans I was talking to thought they got away with robbery.

Well they did to the extent that we dominated the first half and should have been out of sight. But anyone who thinks we weren't completely outplayed in the second half needs to change their claret and blue tinted glasses.
All the stats suggest that Brighton were well on top in the second half. We produced absolutely nothing.

[Stacks]

How anybody can even comment on Vydra is beyond me. He only played 6 minutes.

I have heard many comments about how he cant stay on his feet and he needs Chris wood. Come on folks