What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

chipped in with important goals too

Hes not very popular at newcastle either but if were going to bring anyone back i would rather it be him

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Pace said this weekend that the rebuilding is a multi-window project. I agree with that as we try to recover from the tail end of Garlick. It means we have to include long term planning (signings such as Nathan Collins) but there also have to be stopgaps (which is one reason I thought Ashley Young would have been excellent).

What Pace has to do now, along with everyone else involved, is ensure this window takes us forward from where we were. Right now it hasn't really, other than one new, young central defender. I know there is some confidence in some of the young players but that's not an answer now. Hopefully we will make a couple of good signings before the window closes in just over a couple of weeks time.

Agreed feels like we need to get some dynamism back in the side an unpredictable pacy player like Saint Maximan etc

[DCWat]

He’d certainly be a useful addition, because of his versatility and ability to help to maintain our structure.

However, if it was to be as a starter, it’d be a big no. We really do need someone who can deliver more than Jeff was able to.

[ClaretTony]

Agreed feels like we need to get some dynamism back in the side an unpredictable pacy player like Saint Maximan etc

He doesn't have that many good games but when he does he's very effective.

[DCWat]

He doesn't have that many good games but when he does he's very effective.

Booked his next one in for the 4th of December.

[ClaretTony]

Booked his next one in for the 4th of December.

Does seem to against us - he even did coming off the bench on the Turf. Even so, I think Pope would have saved both goals that day.

[Wile E Coyote]

he has delivered magical experiences, victories over giants in recent times, made a bond between my son and myself that no money could buy.

[bf2k]

But evidently all of the above isn't deemed good enough by a small minority of entitled Burnley fans, who seem to think that we can compete on an equal footing with the mage rich clubs of the EPL.

A small minority. Not the majority think this way, but a long shot. I don’t think anyone is saying we should be competing with the mega rush of this league either, just our equals ( Brentford, Brighton, et al)

[Jakubclaret]

I think Stoke's problem was bringing in players that didn't fit with the dressing room, players who didn't have the desired commitment. Blackburn's problem was employing an incompetent manager.

I don’t think Stoke have been the same side since pulis left, regarding the other lot it’s never been right since the WT sold out to the chicken farmers, the venkys will never be accepted by some fans who can’t forget the good old days of jack.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

A small minority. Not the majority think this way, but a long shot. I don’t think anyone is saying we should be competing with the mega rush of this league either, just our equals ( Brentford, Brighton, et al)

Brighton owe Bloom £200 million and rising.

In no way are they our equals.

[bf2k]

Brighton owe Bloom £200 million and rising.

In no way are they our equals.

I think the end of season table will tell you they are.

[ClaretTony]

Brighton owe Bloom £200 million and rising.

In no way are they our equals.

Absolutely, they'd be nowhere near the Premier League without Bloom.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I think the end of season table will tell you they are.

Their accounts will tell you they aren't.

[bf2k]

Their accounts will tell you they aren't.

That level of debt can’t be sustained over a long period. Ask Bolton. However, I’d say we have a similar draw when it comes to player recruitment and year on year we’ll be in and around the same positions.

Maybe to compete in this league you have to “bet the ranch”? As sad as that is. It’s why I actually thought the super league was a good idea for the good of the game in an odd way. Get rid of the play thing clubs and let the rest of us play the game without the inflated price tags.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

That level of debt can’t be sustained over a long period. Ask Bolton. However, I’d say we have a similar draw when it comes to player recruitment and year on year we’ll be in and around the same positions.

Maybe to compete in this league you have to “bet the ranch”? As sad as that is. It’s why I actually thought the super league was a good idea for the good of the game in an odd way. Get rid of the play thing clubs and let the rest of us play the game without the inflated price tags.

I'm well aware of Bolton and other clubs ref sustainability.

Define compete first

Competing is being a regular finisher in 7th or above for the European spots.

There are several clubs who are of the belief that they can break into that top 7 and become a mainstay, Wolves' owner set a 5yr target to qualify for the champions League, but I suspect they now realise it's not doable
Leicester have thrown a lot of money at it over the years, won a title because everything went their way and have now got themselves a good manager who can make them more competitive on a regular basis but it's helped that they've had a superb scouting network in recent years and their income from player sales has been excellent.

Everton are another club who've thrown a lot of money at it, to enable them to compete, I think it's half a billion in recent years and I'm not really seeing a lot of return, but maybe that changes with Rafa, maybe it doesn't.

We cannot do that right now, we don't have the right owners for it, what we need from our manager, and owners, is to become a regular fixture in the PL, with good cup runs and where possible a foray into Europe via league position or a cup win.
We also need the academy to become a production line for first team players for us and/or to produce players that we can sell on for reasonable money and that's starting to happen.

We do need a slightly different transfer strategy, but the fact we are chasing Cornet so hard may suggest that's being implemented.

We need to stop comparing ourselves to other clubs, we are (were?) unique in this league in that we try very hard to operate to a strict financial model and we don't rely on owners to pump funds in or write off debts regularly.

[Damo]

I respect your views IanMcl but I think a statue is going a little overboard. SD has done well but let’s not forget it’s still just a job in the grand scheme of things and one for which he’s being paid millions of pounds per year. The people/ person who created the Vaccine is IMO more deserving.

Jesus wept

[Herts Clarets]

The problem we have is that our strongest midfield is weaker than nearly, if not all, other Premier League sides. Something that cannot be said of other areas.

At the back Pope and Tarky and possibly Mee would get in a number of other starting 11s. Up front Chris Wood and possibly Vydra the same. It is possible McNeil might make it into a couple of other teams, that aside I doubt Westwood, Cork, JBG or Brownhill would even make the bench elsewhere. We are pedestrian across the whole middle, one dimensional in that they all put a shift in and support the back 4 but don't possess the skill, vision or pace to create something for our front 2. Until that problem is fixed, and i know how much good midfielders cost, we will be susceptible to more days like Saturday and more winless home games.

Totally agree with the sentiments of the OP, but we cannot spend our time looking in the rear view mirror at how nice the journey has been when out of the front screen there are potential car crashes ahead.

[bf2k]

Define compete first

Compete to me is regular mid-table finishes. A good season would be the European places, a poor season would be scrapping survival. A decent crack at the cups each year wouldn’t go amiss.

We cannot do that right now, we don't have the right owners for it, what we need from our manager, and owners, is to become a regular fixture in the PL, with good cup runs and where possible a foray into Europe via league position or a cup win.

Couldn’t added more

We also need the academy to become a production line for first team players for us and/or to produce players that we can sell on for reasonable money and that's starting to happen.

Again couldn’t agree more

We do need a slightly different transfer strategy, but the fact we are chasing Cornet so hard may suggest that's being implemented.

Again agreed

I’m business savvy enough to know we can’t do a Wolves, Everton, Leicester. To be honest I can’t see that model surviving the rest of time when their owners get board of chasing a dream which is not in realistic reach. However, his the club are operating at the minute (transfer strategy and contracts wise) I fear will harm us in the long run. As I said further up the thread, with the amount of debt we are in as a club, if we are relegated I’m worried the debt isn’t sustainable because of the lack of financial income. I suppose we’ve dig ourselves in a little hole with the takeover that needs some time to get back out of.

[mikeS]

Sean Dyche. Best Burnley manager since Harry Potts.
To keep Burnley in the Premier League for successive seasons has been remarkable achievement when you compare our financial situation with United Man City' and Chelsea.

[Devils_Advocate]

both were on the back of fans moaning about style of play though, Hughes replaced Pullis and they forced Allardyce out at Ewood because they didn't have a clue - I personally thought the level of competency shown by Steve Kean was exceptional and one we should be eternally thankful for

Stoke got relegated 5 years after they appointed Hughes so this idea that Pulis leaving caused a downturn in Stokes Premier League fortunes is just not true. Hughes managed Stoke for the same time in the Premier League that Pulis did and achieved 3 top 10 finishes on the bounce again something that Pulis didnt do once.

Of course it went wrong eventually but then not many clubs like us and Stoke manage to stay in the top flight for over a decade.

[RalphCoatesComb]

Respect. Dignity. Loyalty. Humour.

Many in the football World like Sean and his style, if not his style of play - the latter being a product of lack of budget.

When he talks, you can hear strains of Cloughie and of his Sean's Mum and Dad. There is a working-class honesty in him that, sadly, as a Society, we have lost. (Could Society ever recover these values? Nah!)

Sean Dyche has been loyal to the Club and knows better than anyone our financial contraints. He's not a spend now, pay later kind of guy - something that I guess was instilled in him when growing up. He is also loyal to his players. Many times this has irked supporters on this Board... how can his still play "so-and-so"? Probably because so-and-so puts in 100% and returns the loyalty shown to him. (As an aside, I believe Ben Mee would make a good Sean of the future).

I suspect that Alan Pace gets Sean and his values - totally ! Given time, I believe that this will become a winning formula. Does that mean that we'll stay in the top tier? Not necessarily. But, as a Club, we can hold our heads up even though we are punching way above our weight.

Forget the Pep's, Klopp's and Jose's... anyone can win with money.

Tin hat already on

[Stayingup]

Feelings running deep after that capitulation on Saturday. Sean Dyche has been utterly fantastic for Burnley. He has been Burnley. Unfortunately he hasn't been backed enough in the transfer market and he does have a fault. Substitutions. Often too late and as on Saturday the worng ones - in my humble opinion - but he has been terrific. Never too up and never too down. Potter didn't hang around with his subs on Saturday and it turned the game. We didn't react to negate it. Good manager also is Harry.

[Elizabeth]

Amazing 9 years for the club and hopefully this tricky transitional period will be successful and it comes out well

[ewanrob]

9 years and struggling to affect a game with subs - where are we now then? League One? You are taking things away from what has gone before clearly with that statement. What I will say is clear is that he has no chance with some.

What did happen on Saturday is that one of the greatest managers this club has ever had, one who against all the odds has now kept us in the Premier League for a sixth successive season, received the sort of wonderful reception from the Burnley supporters that his achievements deserve.


And well done tiger76, brilliant opening post that gets it spot on.

As I said, taking nothing from him for the great work he has done or the journey he has taken us on....and I take exception to your perception that I knock everything he does (no chance with some) Saturday was a game we should have won given how dominant we were 1st half. His starting 11 and substitutions were puzzling...Explain how Vydra once again becomes the 4th striker....are we not allowed to challenge his tatics in isolation...or shall we just ignore them because of what a good manager he has been for the last 9 years.

[Shaggy]

Theres no doubt that Dyche has the club in a better situation than when he started but I dont buy that we were championship Paupers when he joined. Howe vastly underperformed with our squad/resources and Dyche organised and managed them resources much better.

We are organised, have a good dressing room and have Premier league football, there was also that one season in Europe,

However,

for quite a while now we have been treading on water, with the squad getting older and weaker every transfer window. Dyche isnt completely to blame for this but the players he targets are a huge problem. We have been trying to stick a plaster on it for the past few seasons and that becomes more expensive down the road. Our squad is a proper state just now its weak and relatively expensive to maintain. the rumour of signing Aaron Lennon again is proof that this method is madness.

Tactics, We have an effective plan A.. when it works its effective, when it doesnt then we dont have any other plan to go to. Plan A or bust. Its kept us in the league but it really is survival football and is dull to watch. Use of subs well a factor of the previous 2 points we dont have any other plans to go too and dont have any better players to affect the game.

Cup runs? we dont do cup runs under Dyche, frustrating as a fan at the lack of an exciting cup run.

Dyche probably is only still with us because no one else really wants him. His style of play and transfer record basically rule him out any job in the top flight.

Are we at the stage where its in the interest of both parties to go our own separate ways? IMO i would say we were at that stage a couple of years ago.

[AfloatinClaret]

I remember the sketch, but not the particular reference. Quite amazing how many the Oxford graduates actually got wrong in that list.

Steady on old boy, if there were historical errors then I'm sure that those must've been made by Chapman, Cleese or Idle; they were the Cambridge chaps.

[ClaretCliff]

I respect your views IanMcl but I think a statue is going a little overboard. SD has done well but let’s not forget it’s still just a job in the grand scheme of things and one for which he’s being paid millions of pounds per year. The people/ person who created the Vaccine is IMO more deserving.

Surely they are not mutually exclusive .

[Blatherwickstattoo]

Stability, resilience, a strong jaw,. But with this, not much change for progression tactically. It’s bizarre because at times (Everton,palace) away last season we looked like a proper footballing side.

[ClaretTony]

As I said, taking nothing from him for the great work he has done or the journey he has taken us on....and I take exception to your perception that I knock everything he does (no chance with some) Saturday was a game we should have won given how dominant we were 1st half. His starting 11 and substitutions were puzzling...Explain how Vydra once again becomes the 4th striker....are we not allowed to challenge his tatics in isolation...or shall we just ignore them because of what a good manager he has been for the last 9 years.

You were taking away from the great work he's done.

He's already explained the Vydra situation regarding him being behind the others in terms of fitness. He's already explained why he brought on Barnes. So I'm not sure how you have determined that it has labelled Vydra 4th choice striker.

[IanMcL]

I respect your views IanMcl but I think a statue is going a little overboard. SD has done well but let’s not forget it’s still just a job in the grand scheme of things and one for which he’s being paid millions of pounds per year. The people/ person who created the Vaccine is IMO more deserving.

Of course, Beddoe. I don't think Burnley folk are into statues, however, you get the drift of the thought, I am sure.

A 75k town, surrounded by giants, staying in the prem, is a miracle.

[ewanrob]

You were taking away from the great work he's done.

He's already explained the Vydra situation regarding him being behind the others in terms of fitness. He's already explained why he brought on Barnes. So I'm not sure how you have determined that it has labelled Vydra 4th choice striker.

Tony that just not true...I said "Not taking anything away from what has gone before" so Im acknowledging what he has done for us all.

near end of JulySD said on Vydra
“He will do a few tough days just to bring him up to speed,” he said.
“He’s pretty fit because he had a period with the Czech team so we hope to get him up to speed quite quickly.”

So not sure how he is behind the curve, pretty much because he was the 4th choice on the day....listen not going to argue over it. Im not a anti SD at all...but he made fundemental errors on Saturday...just look at any SM Posts when Barnes came on...everyone questioned it.

[ClaretTony]

So not sure how he is behind the curve

The manager said he was, said he was going to get a game for him this week. You either believe what the manager says or you don't.

Unlike Wood in the Olympics, Vydra wasn't playing much football in the Euros, he then went on holiday and came back late so I can imagine he is very much behind the others.

[AlargeClaret]

We should have won on Saturday, his tactics 2nd half we terrible....9 years and he still struugles to effect a game with his subs. Not taking anything away from what has gone before, but we have to beat our relegation rivals at home...end of.

Worth noting that we were 1-0 up and relatively comfortable when he brought Barnes on to shore things up /win the odd free kick etc ( all good IMO ) then mins later we’re 1-2 . As you well know we don’t have the players to change a game and we couldn’t risk going 1-3 at 80mins.

[boatshed bill]

Worth noting that we were 1-0 up and relatively comfortable when he brought Barnes on to shore things up /win the odd free kick etc ( all good IMO ) then mins later we’re 1-2 . As you well know we don’t have the players to change a game and we couldn’t risk going 1-3 at 80mins.

Was Rodriguez tiring? That may explain what appeared to be an odd substitution.
A worrying feature of some of our more recent defeats is our inability to keep the leads we have earned early in games. Probably due to poor benches compared to our opposition

[ewanrob]

The manager said he was, said he was going to get a game for him this week. You either believe what the manager says or you don't.

Unlike Wood in the Olympics, Vydra wasn't playing much football in the Euros, he then went on holiday and came back late so I can imagine he is very much behind the others.

True on game time, but he will have been doing rigourous training no doubt and his fitness would have been ok you would assume... and manager alluded to the fact he was only a few days off where he should have been at the end of July. Again why not play Vydra 1st 60-70 minutes if fitness not quite there, a massive difference coming on chasing a game than starting one...buy heyho all about opinions.

[ClaretMov]

For those who bizarrely think we'd be better off without Sean Dyche at the helm, let me just list a few of his achievements.

Promotion in 2013/14 season with a sparse budget, and a small squad, also we'd sold our main striker Charlie Austin on the eve of the campaign.
Promotion again in 2015/16 season at the first time of asking, and to boot the Championship trophy, plus a 23 match unbeaten run to end the campaign in style.
93 points, and only 5 defeats in both those seasons.
We're now embarking on a 6th successive PL season.
2 top 10 PL finishes, including a 7th placed finish in the 17/18 campaign to secure European football for Burnley for the first time in over 50 years.
Famous wins at Anfield, Goodison, Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge & The Emirates to name just a few, venues where we hadn't tasted success in decades.
Enabled the club to embark on building the new training facility at Barnfield.
Turned the likes of Heaton, Ings, Keane, Pope Tarkowski & Trippier into England internationals.
Made vast profits on Gray, Heaton, Ings, Keane & Vokes amongst others.
Beaten Rovers 4 times in a row, with the other 3 ending in draws.

But evidently all of the above isn't deemed good enough by a small minority of entitled Burnley fans, who seem to think that we can compete on an equal footing with the mage rich clubs of the EPL.

Reality check we can't, however what we can do is remain at the top table, and slowly grow the club on and off the pitch, and our best chance of remaining a PL club is by keeping hold of our biggest asset in the manager. Is he perfect? No! of course he isn't, but if he was he wouldn't still be at Burnley, he'd have been snapped up by a bigger fish, but he's certainly been the best BFC manager in my lifetime, and we should enjoy him and this success well we can, because it may not last forever.

Brilliant under Dyche for about the first 5 season's (best I've ever seen us playing in the last 45+ year's)

But treading water for the last 4 season's and its sad to see, not backed by the owner's, poor substitutions, no plan B and other managers tactically finding him out more and more often each season.

[jackmiggins]

Unfortunately, he's stuck with this squad now. Pains me to say this, but they can't possibly deliver many winning performances this season.

[ClaretTony]

True on game time, but he will have been doing rigourous training no doubt and his fitness would have been ok you would assume... and manager alluded to the fact he was only a few days off where he should have been at the end of July. Again why not play Vydra 1st 60-70 minutes if fitness not quite there, a massive difference coming on chasing a game than starting one...buy heyho all about opinions.

And the manager said he was behind

[randomclaret2]

And the manager said he was behind

Hence him playing at OT today presumably

[Rileybobs]

True on game time, but he will have been doing rigourous training no doubt and his fitness would have been ok you would assume... and manager alluded to the fact he was only a few days off where he should have been at the end of July. Again why not play Vydra 1st 60-70 minutes if fitness not quite there, a massive difference coming on chasing a game than starting one...buy heyho all about opinions.

Why would he start a player knowing that he will be forced to take him off after 60 minutes? It doesn’t make sense, especially not for a manager who will happily go through a game without making a change. Dyche was already starting one striker who hasn’t had a full pre-season, it’s completely logical that he wouldn’t pair him with another striker who hasn’t.

And we did very well with Jay up too for 60-70 minutes so I’m not sure why you think playing Vydra for that time would have made any difference to the outcome.

[Rileybobs]

Unfortunately, he's stuck with this squad now.

Despite the transfer window remaining open for 2 more weeks?

[ClaretTony]

Hence him playing at OT today presumably

He said he was going to get him a game this week. I'd, wrongly, assumed he was going to play last night.

[randomclaret2]

He said he was going to get him a game this week. I'd, wrongly, assumed he was going to play last night.

Last nights line up for the 23s now makes a bit more sense Tony

[ClaretTony]

Last nights line up for the 23s now makes a bit more sense Tony

Must confessed I was surprised when I saw the team news last night but all those I expected to play are now playing in this game today. I think, once the season settles down, we'll get more as we would expect with the squads and these lads will get games at u23 level.

[randomclaret2]

Must confessed I was surprised when I saw the team news last night but all those I expected to play are now playing in this game today. I think, once the season settles down, we'll get more as we would expect with the squads and these lads will get games at u23 level.

You would think, given United's line up today, our youngsters will have learnt more today than they might have done playing against West Broms under 23s

[ewanrob]

Why would he start a player knowing that he will be forced to take him off after 60 minutes? It doesn’t make sense, especially not for a manager who will happily go through a game without making a change. Dyche was already starting one striker who hasn’t had a full pre-season, it’s completely logical that he wouldn’t pair him with another striker who hasn’t.

And we did very well with Jay up too for 60-70 minutes so I’m not sure why you think playing Vydra for that time would have made any difference to the outcome.

So did he start Jay thinking he would last 90 minutes, he was jiggered after 60....but its ok if hes one of your favourites.

[ClaretTony]

So did he start Jay thinking he would last 90 minutes, he was jiggered after 60....but its ok if hes one of your favourites.

What an unnecessary response

[randomclaret2]

You would think, given United's line up today, our youngsters will have learnt more today than they might have done playing against West Broms under 23s

Particularly considering that Lindelof and Fred were introduced at half-time, while Paul Pogba, Phil Jones, Bruno Fernandes, Mason Greenwood, Dan James, Luke Shaw, Aaron Wan-Bissaka, James Garner and Hannibal Mejbri all came on for the last 30 minutes.

[Rileybobs]

So did he start Jay thinking he would last 90 minutes, he was jiggered after 60....but its ok if hes one of your favourites.

As far as I know. And what is it about how Dyche has used Rodriguez since he joined to make you think he's one of his 'favourites'? The way that some of you get so upset whenever Vydra doesn't start a game or is substituted you'd think he averages better than a goal every 10 games.

[Bacupboy]

Won and lost by fine margins. We could easily have been 3 up by half time but for the woodwork. Goodmundson chose the wrong option prior to hitting the post - Wood was running into space and would have had a better chance to score. Unusually, the defence were not savvy enough. Brighton had been trying cutbacks before they scored two using that method. Did the defence learn? No. It is easy to blame the manager when we lose.