usual arsenal love in

[Wile E Coyote]

I knew it, arsenal lose, so we end up with a what went wrong session on MOTD2, we lose by same score and nothing.
The bias is never ending .
Arsenal are also rans thesedays, but you wouldn't know it judging by tv and radio.

[tim_noone]

I knew it, arsenal lose, so we end up with a what went wrong session on MOTD2, we lose by same score and nothing.
The bias is never ending .
Arsenal are also rans thesedays, but you wouldn't know it judging by tv and radio.

On our budget we are Expected to lose ..on there budget there should be a discussion...Arteta is / and has been clueless imo.

[Wile E Coyote]

it shouldnt be about budgets Tim, we are where we are on merit. we generally are regarded as ghosts in this division. The focus on these london based clubs is way off the mark. even city and united are overlooked when they succeed in favour of the failing gunners analysis. My hatred of arsenal knows no bounds.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

We're seeing the decline of a once great club, of course they're going to discuss it in detail.

The malaise runs deep, I suspect the job is beyond Arteta's capabilities but even a new manager would still need time and money.

They blundered selling Martinez to Villa and I suspect the sale of Willock to Newcastle will also end up being a bad idea.

Edu looks like another out of his depth.

[Wile E Coyote]

We're seeing the decline of a once great club, of course they're going to discuss it in detail.

The malaise runs deep, I suspect the job is beyond Arteta's capabilities but even a new manager would still need time and money.

They blundered selling Martinez to Villa and I suspect the sale of Willock to Newcastle will also end up being a bad idea.

Edu looks like another out of his depth.

****** you're doing it now. I don't care about them. We were once a great club, how far back do you want to go ?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

****** you're doing it now. I don't care about them. We were once a great club, how far back do you want to go ?

You can go back as far as you want if it makes you feel better, this is recent and still ongoing.
At least Utd stayed in the top 6, have managed to turn themselves around and finished 2nd last season.
Arsenal looks absolutely miles off breaking into the top 4 again.

[tim_noone]

****** you're doing it now. I don't care about them. We were once a great club, how far back do you want to go ?

come on Wile your Hatred for London clubs is common knowledge let's Enjoy being above Arsenal tonight.

[brexit]

I am happy areta will be gone soon and Dyche will replace him

[Rileybobs]

I am happy areta will be gone soon and Dyche will replace him

Isn’t Dyche going to West Brom?

[brexit]

No they spelt his name wrong in his parking spot

[elwaclaret]

I knew it, arsenal lose, so we end up with a what went wrong session on MOTD2, we lose by same score and nothing.
The bias is never ending .
Arsenal are also rans thesedays, but you wouldn't know it judging by tv and radio.

Our main problem was the gap between the centre halves was to big leading to a lack of communication between Tarks and Mee. How I saw it as a former centre half and I’m pretty sure SD said as much post match, so not really much to point out.

[RammyClaret61]

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[CFS]

Our main problem was the gap between the centre halves was to big leading to a lack of communication between Tarks and Mee. How I saw it as a former centre half and I’m pretty sure SD said as much post match, so not really much to point out.

It's a habit of dyche to start the season with a more expansive style and crunch time he reverts to type and gets the points.

[Woodleyclaret]

I was at our 5-0 hammering ,Wengers last game where we rightly abused the Arsenal fans for singing the praises of a guy they had slagged off and forced him to leave.
A manager who has made the club very rich with astute signings and one that won trophies.
It's an old but true adage, especially poignant for the sack Dyche brigade, becareful what you wish for. Arteta gone by Christmas?
The odds are now too unattractive for a bet

[beddie]

As the pundits pointed out they were so open for Rom to receive the ball at his feet, it’s certainly not the Arsenal of old that’s for sure. As for Dyche, I can’t see him going to Arsenal, they’ll look for a bigger name than him, thank goodness.

[Colburn_Claret]

They have a lot of expensive players, but a lot of average players. Which of the other, so called, big 6 have players that couldn't get into Burnleys starting XI.

The biggest laugh for me was to see the Emirates half empty. The first game fans could attend in 2 years and so many stayed at home, against a big rival like Chelsea. The fans are as pathetic as the team.

[dougcollins]

I'm not bothered what they say on the telly so long as we turn 'em over whilst they're in 'trouble'.

[Devils_Advocate]

I really want Arteta to succeed. Arsenal were brilliant under Wenger and if Arteta can get them playing that kind of football it can only be good for the Premier League

[Targetman]

No they spelt his name wrong in his parking spot

A bit like you did with Arteta?

[tim_noone]

I really want Arteta to succeed. Arsenal were brilliant under Wenger and if Arteta can get them playing that kind of football it can only be good for the Premier League

Ffs! Your up early....

[tiger76]

Arteta already coming out with the excuses,https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58300570

My heart bleeds for him it really does, even with those 9 players missing, he still had the likes of Aubameyang & Pepe to call upon, £130m combined in that dup alone, plus a host of other internationals, many of whom featured at the recent Euro's.

[nil_desperandum]

They have a lot of expensive players, but a lot of average players. Which of the other, so called, big 6 have players that couldn't get into Burnleys starting XI.

Seriously?, which Burnley players, (other than maybe Pope) would get in the Arsenal team.
They are seriously underachieving as a "team" under Arteta.

[Peter Loo]

My heart bleeds for them it really does

[KRBFC]

Arteta already coming out with the excuses,https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58300570

My heart bleeds for him it really does, even with those 9 players missing, he still had the likes of Aubameyang & Pepe to call upon, £130m combined in that dup alone, plus a host of other internationals, many of whom featured at the recent Euro's.

Aubameyang shouldn't have been playing, he'd had 1 training session after covid. I don't think Arteta is any good but it's a valid excuse.

They were missing their 2 best central defenders (White and Gabriel), their best midfield player (Partey), their most creative midfielder (Odegaard) and their two main strikers (Lacazette and Aubameyang).

If you take out the very best 5/6 players from any team, they will struggle and I don't care if you're Man City or Burnley. Liverpool struggled without their best 2 central defenders last year, even with their main forwards/midfielders fit and available.

Take out Tark Mee Mcneil Wood Westwood Vydra from our team, it would be a valid excuse.

[Colburn_Claret]

Seriously?, which Burnley players, (other than maybe Pope) would get in the Arsenal team.
They are seriously underachieving as a "team" under Arteta.

If you think Mee and Tarks, aren't better than Holding and whoever else they have at centre back you need to give your head a shake.

[nil_desperandum]

If you think Mee and Tarks, aren't better than Holding and whoever else they have at centre back you need to give your head a shake.

But that isn't by any means their first choice pairing, and have you been watching Tarkowski and Mee in the past two games?
Not saying that they aren't good players, but if you are going to single out Holding then we must analyse the soft goals we've conceded too.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

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[tiger76]

Aubameyang shouldn't have been playing, he'd had 1 training session after covid. I don't think Arteta is any good but it's a valid excuse.

They were missing their 2 best central defenders (White and Gabriel), their best midfield player (Partey), their most creative midfielder (Odegaard) and their two main strikers (Lacazette and Aubameyang).

If you take out the very best 5/6 players from any team, they will struggle and I don't care if you're Man City or Burnley. Liverpool struggled without their best 2 central defenders last year, even with their main forwards/midfielders fit and available.

Take out Tark Mee Mcneil Wood Westwood Vydra from our team, it would be a valid excuse.

Of course any team missing several 1st teamers will struggle, but Arsenal's troubles run far deeper than that, the whole club seems to be in a rut, and even if and when those players return I'm not convinced Arsenal will drastically improve, they will clearly improve, but I can't see them being anywhere near the top 4, or indeed even the European places, and a club of their stature should expect to at least be competing in European competition of some description.

What would worry me as an Arsenal fan is the lack of fight in their ranks, newly promoted Brentford simply out fought them last week, and whatever line-up you field there's simply no excuse for not being up for the battle, that's a basic element of football at any level, and if your not committed to the cause you won't win games.

TBF to Arteta he is trying to root out the bad apples, but it'll take time to see what impact that strategy has, however whether he'll be given that time must be up for debate, I sense Stan Kroenke may need a convenient scapegoat soon, and MA may well be that man.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The love in will continue this weekend at least

[Wile E Coyote]

really saddened that it was only 5. long may their bad run continue.

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[Vino blanco]

I used to like watching Arsenal in the days of Bergkamp, Viera, Petit, Henri etc. Now I can’t stand them, I really hope they go down, down, deeper and down.

[JohnMac]

Good to see them struggle but not a chance they will ever go down. Captain Black's days are numbered without a doubt.

[Bosscat]

I used to like watching Arsenal in the days of Bergkamp, Viera, Petit, Henri etc. Now I can’t stand them, I really hope they go down, down, deeper and down.

That would restore the "Status Quo"

[Woodleyclaret]

A great result from the once mighty Arsenal

[tiger76]

I used to like watching Arsenal in the days of Bergkamp, Viera, Petit, Henri etc. Now I can’t stand them, I really hope they go down, down, deeper and down.

They cheated relegation back in the post WWI days, but I would take great delight in them experiencing the drop, even more so given that a potential ESL club would then be plying their trade in the Championship, sadly I honestly can't see them going down, they struggled at periods last season, but then had a couple of good runs, and with the quality in their squad they shouldn't be down the bottom for long you wouldn't think.

However there is a famous saying that no team is too good to go down, and that rings true even for a team of Arsenal's calibre.

Arteta will probably get the bullet in the next few days, but that alone won't solve all their problems, the whole club is toxic right now, and there's far too many players stealing a living on huge salaries, and not living up to their star billing.

[warksclaret]

Wonder how many would take Arsene Wenger back right now

[tiger76]

Wonder how many would take Arsene Wenger back right now

Indeed! or even Emery.

[longside72]

Indeed! or even Emery.
Dick ?

[Colburn_Claret]

Indeed! or even Emery.
Dick ?

Dick Emery isn't as funny as Arsenal TV........

[Caernarfon_Claret]

They cheated relegation back in the post WWI days, but I would take great delight in them experiencing the drop, even more so given that a potential ESL club would then be plying their trade in the Championship, sadly I honestly can't see them going down, they struggled at periods last season, but then had a couple of good runs, and with the quality in their squad they shouldn't be down the bottom for long you wouldn't think.

However there is a famous saying that no team is too good to go down, and that rings true even for a team of Arsenal's calibre.

Arteta will probably get the bullet in the next few days, but that alone won't solve all their problems, the whole club is toxic right now, and there's far too many players stealing a living on huge salaries, and not living up to their star billing.

I believe they were relegated initially because two teams colluded in last match of the season - I think before the break during WW1 and then after the war we're promoted despite finishing only in sixth in the division - in essence to make up for the cheating - so it was possibly being reelected into the first division rather than actual promotion - I think Liverpool might have been one of the two corrupt teams. But it's easy to check.

[tiger76]

I believe they were relegated initially because two teams colluded in last match of the season - I think before the break during WW1 and then after the war we're promoted despite finishing only in sixth in the division - in essence to make up for the cheating - so it was possibly being reelected into the first division rather than actual promotion - I think Liverpool might have been one of the two corrupt teams. But it's easy to check.

I can't remember all the datils, but there was certainly plenty of jiggery pokery going on in that era, Leeds City I'm sure were one of the clubs involved who went bust around that time.

A brief snippet from Wiki that covers how they were voted back into the new First Division, and at the expense of local rival Sours, that I wasn't aware of.

In 1913, soon after relegation back to the Second Division, Woolwich Arsenal moved to the new Arsenal Stadium in Highbury, North London. This saw their third change of name: the following year, they reduced Woolwich Arsenal to simply The Arsenal. In 1919, The Football League voted to promote The Arsenal, instead of relegated local rivals Tottenham Hotspur, into the newly enlarged First Division, despite only finishing fifth in the Second Division's last pre-war season of 1914–15. Later that year, The Arsenal started dropping "The" in official documents, gradually shifting its name for the final time towards Arsenal, as it is generally known today

[tiger76]

I believe they were relegated initially because two teams colluded in last match of the season - I think before the break during WW1 and then after the war we're promoted despite finishing only in sixth in the division - in essence to make up for the cheating - so it was possibly being reelected into the first division rather than actual promotion - I think Liverpool might have been one of the two corrupt teams. But it's easy to check.

Yes Liverpool & Man Utd were involved in the match fixing scandal of 1915, more details here,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1915_Brit ... g_scandal

[Caernarfon_Claret]

Yes I'm wrong but only because it was quite complex. Arsenal relegated. Then finished third in second Division, then fifth before war. First Division expanded to 22 teams in 1919 - It was Chelsea the victims of a betting controversy who retained their place despite being one of relegated teams - The other relegated team was Spurs who should have kept their place because of the expansion but Arsenal got it instead. That's the controversy.

[Caernarfon_Claret]

Yes I'm wrong but only because it was quite complex. Arsenal relegated. Then finished third in second Division, then fifth before war. First Division expanded to 22 teams in 1919 - It was Chelsea the victims of a betting controversy who retained their place despite being one of relegated teams - The other relegated team was Spurs who should have kept their place because of the expansion but Arsenal got it instead. That's the controversy. Essentially - Spurs (20th first division), Barnsley (3rd), Wolves (4th) and Arsenal (6th as it was believed) all were put forward for that final place and Arsenal were awarded it. Although at the time it was thought Arsenal had finished 6th they actually finished 5th, an amendment that was only made in 1975.

[KRBFC]

I love when Arsenal lose, gives me a great hour of entertainment on Arsenal fan tv to catch up on.

[Damo]

Arteta needs to go back to putting the cones out for a proper manager

[SouthLondonexile]

Arsenal have had their day. It will be many years before they rise again.
Their command of the referee’s watch has been lost at long last.
Their players collapsing on to the pitch, whenever the opposition have a promising attack is an awful feature of their play.
Their buying and selling of players has bought little return recently.
Their failure to nurture their academy talent into the first team is lamentable.
You're right I don’t like them.
They have a fantastic stadium and that is all

[DCWat]

Is there one leader in that Arsenal team!?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Arteta needs to go back to putting the cones out for a proper manager

Clement is available to show him how that's done.