Everton (A) Match Thread

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:59 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:58 pm
Genuine question how many players tonight for us would get in any other premier league team?

I’m gonna go for 4? 5 max

Max cant even get in our side

colne-claret · Post by **colne-claret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:59 pm

PremierLeagueClass wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:52 pm
It’s embarrassing. But sadly this is how they get their kicks. You have to feel for them I guess, they’re clearly very unhappy people.

Or people are just sick of seeing the same half hearted, pathetic performances week after week. I don't enjoy Burnley anywhere near as much as I used to. It feels more like a chore than pleasure and that is down to the god awful football that we play. I will still watch us week in week out but it doesn't mean that I have to sit silent and not offer any criticism because of 'how well they have served us' etc. I want to see us evolve and improve going forward both on the field and off it. People are passionate about this club and want to see us compete with the best but something has got to change and fast.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:00 pm

You cannot excuse that collapse tonight and the role Dyche played in it . Referring to his past achievements is a limp excuse

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:00 pm

That one was well and truly down to Dyche and his total reluctance to change anything tactically. An inability to react to an opposition managers changes as it would mean changing from his beloved 442. Any changes are like for like and change little.

This season is feeling different. I am worried. Very worried.

berbs78 · Post by **berbs78** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:01 pm

superdimitri wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:54 pm
I just watched the disallowed goal again. Pickford is never getting to the ball runs out and touches Wood who's looking the other way. I can understand if you're trying to interfere with play but Wood was literally just standing his ground doing nothing.

Are you stupid?do you understand the game?He was offside FML

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:01 pm

burnley007 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:50 pm
If the definition of a fool, is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result, then Sean Dyche is a fool.

Yes the same fool who's kept us in the PL for 6 straight seasons.

We played well tonight, took the lead, and then they quickly equalised, then they score a stunner for the second, and then get the 3rd soon after.

To put it into context we've lost against the teams sitting 3rd, 4th, and 6th, and the one team we've faced that's down the bottom end we should have beaten.

So although we've endured another slow start it's far too early to press the panic button, and as for suggesting getting rid of the manager, that's just barmy.

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:02 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:35 pm
Fail to see why that was ruled out, Pickford ran into Wood and was nowhere near the ball.

VAR does it’s job tonight and it’s 3-3 now, if not more complimentary than that.

The Premier League has kicked VAR into touch

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:02 pm

The worrying pattern is that all 3 games where we've taken the lead we looked comfortable and in relative control. The opposition just make changes and blow us away. Until we gave Kean the freedom of Goodison, Everton where awful and the crowd flat..

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:02 pm

Belgianclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:51 pm
Usual scenario, good first 60 mins, opposing manager makes a change, they score (a few), then SD and IW stand talking to each other for 10 mins on how things went wrong (again)..

Spot on and a concerning trend. I would feel totally demoralised if I was Cornet, when Lennon comes on instead of him.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:02 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:47 pm
No it was not obvious, it was contentious. Pickford ran into Chris Wood who was offside, and both were nowhere near the ball. Pickford running into Wood had no bearing on whether Tarky’s header was going in - he was miles away from the ball. This is a DEBATABLE point.

It was about as clear an offside as you will see, unless you aren't aware that offside players cannot interfere with play. Wood standing in the line of Pickford is interfering with his line of sight and path to the ball.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:03 pm

Everton 3 Burnley 1, toe to toe football at the start of the season, a heavyweight fixture worldwide and I think Everton fans would agree that it is a famous traditional football fixture worldwide in terms of football status and a worthy one at that, regardless of the mutual hate and venom, built up over the centuries.

So, it could have gone either way, it happened out as that.

Both teams took the risks and win or lose just the same.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:03 pm

SussexDon1inIreland wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:56 pm
I say it again
Tarks incident nothing given should have been a penalty
Disallowed goal
They score a worldie

Taylor MOM

Just back at the car. Can’t recall the Tarks incident you mention, what was that?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:04 pm

superdimitri wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:54 pm
I just watched the disallowed goal again. Pickford is never getting to the ball runs out and touches Wood who's looking the other way. I can understand if you're trying to interfere with play but Wood was literally just standing his ground doing nothing.

Standing his ground in the line of Pickford, in an offside position.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:04 pm

Tribesmen wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:58 pm
Look we did well apart from the mad 6 minutes .

Chin up everyone if you look at the table to those who have beaten us .

Plus another 5 at least when Everton could have netted 3 further timed

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:04 pm

The main issue was the first goal. Defenders out of position and Strikers not marking in the box. We played great for 60 minutes and their first goal followed so quickly by a worldie and the formation change completely blitzed us. Overall we played well but it is a worrying trend of letting leads slip. Very unlike us.

ewanrob · Post by **ewanrob** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:05 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:58 pm
Genuine question how many players tonight for us would get in any other premier league team?

I’m gonna go for 4? 5 max

We have an ageing squad, and the close season no longer re charges batteries...they were done after 60 mins. And more importantly we have a manager (taking away all the sentiment), who has been found out. There will be them who cling onto finishing 7th and 10th....but thats been and gone...and so should he. I'm totally in the minority I know, but I really detest his style of play.

SussexDon1inIreland · Post by **SussexDon1inIreland** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:06 pm

Tarks blocked off in their penalty box and wrestled to the ground 100% penalty

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:07 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:03 pm
Just back at the car. Can’t recall the Tarks incident you mention, what was that?

First half.
Was pulled back.
Saw a penalty given very recently from almost identical scenario.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:08 pm

Belgianclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:51 pm
Usual scenario, good first 60 mins, opposing manager makes a change, they score (a few), then SD and IW stand talking to each other for 10 mins on how things went wrong (again)..

Rinse and repeat next week.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:09 pm

ewanrob wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:05 pm
We have an ageing squad, and the close season no longer re charges batteries...they were done after 60 mins. And more importantly we have a manager (taking away all the sentiment), who has been found out. There will be them who cling onto finishing 7th and 10th....but thats been and gone...and so should he. I'm totally in the minority I know, but I really detest his style of play.

All due respect the majority of that team have played 4 games in 3 months?

Am I missing something

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:09 pm

For all those not wanting any criticism of the manager please give some facts or observations to defend him. Don’t just slate other fans for valid opinions.

Not a single goal or assist from subs in 42 PL games. Defend that please. We had 2 former England attackers and 2 more attackers who were international starters last week (including a goalscorer) on the bench tonight. Yet we posed no threat from the bench at all.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:10 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:07 pm
First half.
Was pulled back.
Saw a penalty given very recently from almost identical scenario.

Thanks. Don’t recall that. Did Sky pick up on it?

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:13 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:10 pm
Thanks. Don’t recall that. Did Sky pick up on it?

They did. Briefly.
But didn't make a meal of it.
It was a genuinely good penalty shout. You see them given like that a little more these days.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:14 pm

When you come to statistics like that, that CrosspoolClarets has pointed out, the obvious looms.

However, one doesn't know whether the team wants to go to the toilet or not, psychologically or thematically, in other words one doesn't see the substitution and goals but then one doesn't see what Dyche see maybe to keep the thing together.

Maybe he should go to SpecSavers, maybe not.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:15 pm

Hibsclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:04 pm
The main issue was the first goal. Defenders out of position and Strikers not marking in the box. We played great for 60 minutes and their first goal followed so quickly by a worldie and the formation change completely blitzed us. Overall we played well but it is a worrying trend of letting leads slip. Very unlike us.

I really do agree. We USED to be so bloody brilliant at getting our noses in front and then being unbelievably dogged and difficult to break down and more often than not we'd cling on to our lead, despite massive pressure. Nowadays we simply can't hold on and it was the same against Brighton and against Leeds. Tonight, overall I thought we played pretty well and at 1-0 up, as the away team, we were good value for the lead, but the Keane goal was so, so unlike us and it fired Everton and their fans up and got them almost immediately back in the game. You can't "unpick" the second goal because it's basically going to happen once in a blue moon and I've absolutely no idea what was happening for the third. Our Berlin wall style defense of what we have has evaporated and if we don't get it back soon we're in trouble.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:16 pm

Hibsclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:04 pm
The main issue was the first goal. Defenders out of position and Strikers not marking in the box. We played great for 60 minutes and their first goal followed so quickly by a worldie and the formation change completely blitzed us. Overall we played well but it is a worrying trend of letting leads slip. Very unlike us.

Very similar to the goal scored by Jota only two games ago

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:16 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:10 pm
Thanks. Don’t recall that. Did Sky pick up on it?

Would add, if Arsenal get a shout anything like, they'll get it given.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:19 pm

I'm not much good at looking up stats, but I'd like to know how our over-all effort in kms compares now to the early days in SD's tenure.

Loyalclaret · Post by **Loyalclaret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:22 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:10 pm
Thanks. Don’t recall that. Did Sky pick up on it?

Yes, they also covered it at half time just before going back to the players coming out

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:23 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:13 pm
They did. Briefly.
But didn't make a meal of it.
It was a genuinely good penalty shout. You see them given like that a little more these days.

Great. I’m even more annoyed than I was now!!!

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:24 pm

If you play to a mind-set then that discipline of the mind can stall awareness.

Never discipline the mind.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:24 pm

That’s 3 sides who’ve totally sussed us out 2nd half and incredibly 3 2nd half leads scuppered . Dyche’s game management was little short of disgraceful in the 2nd ,I never thought I’d ever say that

mill hill claret · Post by **mill hill claret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:34 pm

MT03ALG wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:02 pm
The Premier League has kicked VAR into touch

And that's what the majority wanted ..last season we would have had a penalty ...looks like we're going back to the bad old times where decisions are missed and for a smaller club like burnley ..that is vital

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:38 pm

'a really good away performance'
'wait for it to happen rather than make it happen'
'lack of reaction'
'just waiting for things to happen'
Selected comments from Sean's pot-match interview....

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:38 pm

Even post-match interview !

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:43 pm

If Wood had buried the first half chance, as he should have done, the disallowed goal would probably not have mattered. Wood is scared of physical challenges and just chickened out. Barnes or Mee in the same position would BOTH have scored. No striker in the world could ask for a better cross.

Next week, let's start with Barnes and Vydra.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:45 pm

Andreshotboots wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:35 pm
Just shows what complete nonsense this "Dyche fit" is.. we fade in games, the opposition get stronger..

I think its more to do with the aging first XI.
5 years ago nobody could compete with us for the last 20ins, now we can't live with anyone else.
It's not a finger pointing game, the players are still good players, but when we need fresh legs we do nothing, or if we do make changes its something like Barnes for JayRod as in Brighton, which just leaves me baffled.
I've said for the last 3 games we need to react quicker, and when we react make it fresh legs in the key areas, and in 3 of those 4 games it wasn't in attack.
So frustrating that we could be sat here on 9 pts, and instead we've got 1.

mill hill claret · Post by **mill hill claret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:52 pm

Gordaleman wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:43 pm
If Wood had buried the first half chance, as he should have done, the disallowed goal would probably not have mattered. Wood is scared of physical challenges and just chickened out. Barnes or Mee in the same position would BOTH have scored. No striker in the world could ask for a better cross.

Next week, let's start with Barnes and Vydra.

The thing is ..Barnes would be no where near the Cross in the first place

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:52 pm

I’m not one to over react but I think we’re in trouble this year. I’m a huge fan of Dyche but I think it’s going to end up being his fault if he doesn’t change his own approach and quickly.

Continuing to play the anonymous Barnes ahead of Vydra is ludicrous. Barnes is static and offers nothing. Vydra may not be the best finisher in the world but at least his movement and pressing cause issues for defences and pulls them out of shape.

Secondly, his complete faith in 4-4-2 will ruin us. We had Cork on the bench today & should have brought him on straight after our goal. Genuinely think the subsequent two goals right through the middle of the park don’t happen if he packs the midfield.

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:54 pm

mill hill claret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:52 pm
The thing is ..Barnes would be no where near the Cross in the first place

If he was the main striker, he would have been, but he does all the hold up work for Wood who can't trap a bag of cememt.

Anyway, that wasn't my point. Wood is a softie. Barnes and Mee certainly aren't.

mill hill claret · Post by **mill hill claret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:54 pm

And to say Wood is scared of physical challenges is absolute nonsense ...our best striker by a country mile

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:55 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:52 pm
I’m not one to over react but I think we’re in trouble this year. I’m a huge fan of Dyche but I think it’s going to end up being his fault if he doesn’t change his own approach and quickly.

Continuing to play the anonymous Barnes ahead of Vydra is ludicrous. Barnes is static and offers nothing. Vydra may not be the best finisher in the world but at least his movement and pressing cause issues for defences and pulls them out of shape.

Secondly, his complete faith in 4-4-2 will ruin us. We had Cork on the bench today & should have brought him on straight after our goal. Genuinely think the subsequent two goals right through the middle of the park don’t happen if he packs the midfield.

Statistically we score less goals and earn less points when Vydra starts. Can understand why he doesn’t play him, unfortunately there are no better options

mill hill claret · Post by **mill hill claret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:55 pm

Gordaleman wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:54 pm
If he was the main striker, he would have been, but he does all the hold up work for Wood who can't trap a bag of cememt.

Would couldn't trap a bag of cement ..did you see him bring the ball down in the 1st half near the bye line ??

mill hill claret · Post by **mill hill claret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:56 pm

Wood *

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:56 pm

mill hill claret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:54 pm
And to say Wood is scared of physical challenges is absolute nonsense ...our best striker by a country mile

In YOUR opinion.

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:57 pm

mill hill claret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:56 pm
Wood *

Fine, Wood. I don't know how it came out as Would.

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 pm

mill hill claret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:55 pm
Would couldn't trap a bag of cement ..did you see him bring the ball down in the 1st half near the bye line ??

Yes, but doing that once a season isn't good enough.

mill hill claret · Post by **mill hill claret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 pm

Gordaleman wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:57 pm
Fine, Wood. I don't know how it came out as Would.

You wouldn't..it was my spelling mistake

mill hill claret · Post by **mill hill claret** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:59 pm

Gordaleman wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 pm
Yes, but doing that once a season isn't good enough.

Top scorer last three seasons

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:02 pm

mill hill claret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:59 pm
Top scorer last three seasons

Even he can score when it's put on a plate for him. Truth is, he should score at least double with the chances he gets provided with.

Anyway, I was refering to his first touch. It's usually crap.