Juergen Klopp - The unprofessional One

[martin_p]

We're also talking about different Klopp incidents though.

Some people on this board have criticised Klopp heavily and have a really negative opinion of him because he moaned about the tackle Ben Mee made on Gomez. Some of the same people have the exact same distorted view to a tackle that happened to one of our players that Klopp had for one of his players.

I wasn't talking about the professionalism of Klopp with regards this weekends incident but with regard to him getting upset about the tackle Mee made. Managers getting upset about tackles and moaning about decisions in after match interviews is par for the course and apart from being wrong I dont think Klopp was unprofessional at all in his views around the Mee incident. Biased - Yes, Incorrect - Yes but not unprofessionally.

Your focus is on something different to mine but I have seen Klopp hammered over and over again on here about the Gomes/Mee incident and just took the opportunity to reference the hypocrisy of how some fans talk about both the Mee incident and the JBG incident. Its like they have a completely different take on things depending on which side of the incident Burnley was on.

Ok, but that’s a bit like pointing out bears defecate in the woods.

[taio]

We're also talking about different Klopp incidents though.

Some people on this board have criticised Klopp heavily and have a really negative opinion of him because he moaned about the tackle Ben Mee made on Gomez. Some of the same people have the exact same distorted view to a tackle that happened to one of our players that Klopp had for one of his players.

I wasn't talking about the professionalism of Klopp with regards this weekends incident but with regard to him getting upset about the tackle Mee made. Managers getting upset about tackles and moaning about decisions in after match interviews is par for the course and apart from being wrong I dont think Klopp was unprofessional at all in his views around the Mee incident. Biased - Yes, Incorrect - Yes but not unprofessionally.

Your focus is on something different to mine but I have seen Klopp hammered over and over again on here about the Gomes/Mee incident and just took the opportunity to reference the hypocrisy of how some fans talk about both the Mee incident and the JBG incident. Its like they have a completely different take on things depending on which side of the incident Burnley was on.

I could well be wrong with the passage of time - I'm not the best at remembering such things - but I thought the Mee and JBG incidents were very different. And I like to think that I look.at things objectively when it comes to Burnley - I've on many occasions given what I thought was an honest view against a burnley player or the manager where I thought it was fair.

[Goobs]

Can totally see why a red was given. He jumps into a flying tackle and is out of control (hence him landing on Elliot's ankle.

Not malicious but definitely not in control and had both feet of the ground studs up.

[evensteadiereddie]

It wasn't a tackle from behind. Unfortunately and accidentally the momentum of his trailing leg caused the injury. It's often the case that innocuous incidents cause the severest injuries, therefore they will always happen from time to time. I think most people who have played the game at a decent level will disagree with the red card.

Not from behind ? Jeez.
You do realise the Leeds guy is in white and the bin dipper in red, I hope.

[taio]

Not from behind ? Jeez.
You do realise the Leeds guy is in white and the bin dipper in red, I hope.

It wasn't from behind in my view and, yes, funnily enough I do realise who was playing in what colours. What a peculiar comment.

[bf2k]

We're also talking about different Klopp incidents though.

Some people on this board have criticised Klopp heavily and have a really negative opinion of him because he moaned about the tackle Ben Mee made on Gomez. Some of the same people have the exact same distorted view to a tackle that happened to one of our players that Klopp had for one of his players.

I wasn't talking about the professionalism of Klopp with regards this weekends incident but with regard to him getting upset about the tackle Mee made. Managers getting upset about tackles and moaning about decisions in after match interviews is par for the course and apart from being wrong I dont think Klopp was unprofessional at all in his views around the Mee incident. Biased - Yes, Incorrect - Yes but not unprofessionally.

Your focus is on something different to mine but I have seen Klopp hammered over and over again on here about the Gomes/Mee incident and just took the opportunity to reference the hypocrisy of how some fans talk about both the Mee incident and the JBG incident. Its like they have a completely different take on things depending on which side of the incident Burnley was on.

Think you're missing the point DA. We as fans see the game through our respective club coloured glasses (well most do). Klopp is a supposed professional football manager yet constantly his actions are anything but professional. He should have seen that tackle for what it was and not acted like a spoilt brat.

[evensteadiereddie]

It wasn't from behind in my view and, yes, funnily enough I do realise who was playing in what colours. What a peculiar comment.

Sorry the comment went over your heads boys but at no time is the Leeds bloke even level with Elliott hence it is a tackle from behind.
You're welcome.

[arise_sir_charge]

One of the big issues with Klopp is the inconsistency of his views when it’s a Liverpool player dishing it out.

VanDijk in Martins, Milner in Benzema, nothing wrong with them according to Klopp yet in my opinion they are both worse than the StruJik and Mee challenges.

[Steve1956]

Keep digging...your making damn fine progress with that hole unsteaddie.

[evensteadiereddie]

Christ, just what is your problem, Steve ?
You need to sort yourself out, fella. Put forward any counter argument by all means but, please, keep your creepy, stalking and personal stuff out of it.

[Steve1956]

I'm commentating on your outrageous take on yesterday's events,and your cheek asking a poster if he knew what colour each team was playing in yesterday.

[evensteadiereddie]

Disagreeing with you is "outrageous" and pointing out the difference between the fella with the ball in front and the bloke charging in from behind, albeit sarcastically, is "cheek", is it ?
Aye, OK.

[taio]

Disagreeing with you is "outrageous" and pointing out the difference between the fella with the ball in front and the bloke charging in from behind, albeit sarcastically, is "cheek", is it ?
Aye, OK.

The problem is you tried to mock in a cheap way quoting my post that was non-confrontational. When in fact the majority of people don't recognise it as a tackle from behind and a red card, and there was plenty of respectful debate prior to you intervening.

[evensteadiereddie]

The Leeds player was behind the Liverpool player , end of.
And, just for the record, if you can be bothered to look back through the thread, it'd Old Stevie who puts an end to any "respectful debate" by continuing his agenda against me.
As I said, I can't really be bothered with all the creepy, personal stuff but , hey, let's not start making stuff up.

[Devils_Advocate]

Ok, but that’s a bit like pointing out bears defecate in the woods.

You'd think and hope so but for some its not that clear

[Devils_Advocate]

I could well be wrong with the passage of time - I'm not the best at remembering such things - but I thought the Mee and JBG incidents were very different. And I like to think that I look.at things objectively when it comes to Burnley - I've on many occasions given what I thought was an honest view against a burnley player or the manager where I thought it was fair.

They were different, the Lincoln players tackle was a foul and not a great one whereas whilst Mee's challenge was pretty robust it was a fair tackle. You're not the kind of posters I had in mind with my original comment and Im sure you dont go OTT in any direction and are pretty balanced and fair in your views

[Devils_Advocate]

Think you're missing the point DA. We as fans see the game through our respective club coloured glasses (well most do). Klopp is a supposed professional football manager yet constantly his actions are anything but professional. He should have seen that tackle for what it was and not acted like a spoilt brat.

Again im talking about the Gomez/Mee incident and I dont see that much difference between Klopp getting upset at a tackle he perceived as a bad foul when it really wasnt and Dyche getting upset about some of the penalty decisions and other fouls he moaned about that really wasn't.

Is it professional to constantly berate the 4th official like Dyche does? By your standards it probably isnt although im guessing you'd only get upset if you saw Klopp in the 4th officials ear or Henderson in the refs ear but wouldnt be too bothered if it was Dyche or Westwood.

[Rileybobs]

I also think it can be classed as a tackle from behind. One of Struijk’s legs goes around Elliott and wins the ball, the other goes into the back of his legs and caused the unfortunate tangle.

Not sure I want to see red cards for those type of challenges although I do see how it can be considered as reckless and out of control and certainly endangering an opponent more than a tackle from the front or side. I doubt Leeds will have any joy if they decide to appeal.

[taio]

I also think it can be classed as a tackle from behind. One of Struijk’s legs goes around Elliott and wins the ball, the other goes into the back of his legs and caused the unfortunate tangle.

Not sure I want to see red cards for those type of challenges although I do see how it can be considered as reckless and out of control and certainly endangering an opponent more than a tackle from the front or side. I doubt Leeds will have any joy if they decide to appeal.

An interesting assessment. I can understand why you would think it's a tackle from behind if focussing on the trailing leg. But for me the trailing leg is a by-product of natural movement and momentum following a fair challenge. At the point of making the challenge I think he was almost parallel to Elliott.

[evensteadiereddie]

Almost.

I'd be astonished if the red card were to be rescinded. We'll see.

[taio]

Almost.

I'd be astonished if the red card were to be rescinded. We'll see.

Give it a rest. I know you disagree.

[Rileybobs]

An interesting assessment. I can understand why you would think it's a tackle from behind if focussing on the trailing leg. But for me the trailing leg is a by-product of natural movement and momentum following a fair challenge. At the point of making the challenge I think he was almost parallel to Elliott.

Yeah, I think there’s two ways of looking at it as we can see by the mixed response. As I said I’m not sure if I want to see red cards for challenges like that, but Struijk must have known that the direction of his challenge would cause him to clash into the back of Elliott. Usually this is harmless but the awkward tangle of legs caused the nasty injury.

You reference playing the game above, so I’m sure you’ve been in a position where you’re winding up for a shot and an opposition player sticks his leg in from behind, it causes quite an entanglement which is made worse by the fact that you can’t see the opponent so don’t have chance to react. I think Strujik approaching from Elliott’s blindside, or from behind as I see it, endangered Elliott.

It’s a completely fair point that many are making that all challenges on a football pitch endanger the opponent to some degree though, so I can see both sides of the argument.

[evensteadiereddie]

Give it a rest. I know you disagree.

Sorry again for any offence you've decided to take.
Just pointing out that being almost parallel is not being parallel, it's being behind.
Opinions, eh ?

[taio]

Yeah, I think there’s two ways of looking at it as we can see by the mixed response. As I said I’m not sure if I want to see red cards for challenges like that, but Struijk must have known that the direction of his challenge would cause him to clash into the back of Elliott. Usually this is harmless but the awkward tangle of legs caused the nasty injury.

You reference playing the game above, so I’m sure you’ve been in a position where you’re winding up for a shot and an opposition player sticks his leg in from behind, it causes quite an entanglement which is made worse by the fact that you can’t see the opponent so don’t have chance to react. I think Strujik approaching from Elliott’s blindside, or from behind as I see it, endangered Elliott.

It’s a completely fair point that many are making that all challenges on a football pitch endanger the opponent to some degree though, so I can see both sides of the argument.

You have presented a very balanced argument. These are often fine lines. I was convinced it was never a red card and still think that's the case but you've put forward some good points to balance that while saying yourself you don't really want to see red cards for that type of challenge.

[Steve1956]

It wasn't a foul...but the outcome of the tackle made it a foul to the Referee the Referee didn't even stop the game,Get well soon Harvey.

[Tall Paul]

An interesting assessment. I can understand why you would think it's a tackle from behind if focussing on the trailing leg. But for me the trailing leg is a by-product of natural movement and momentum following a fair challenge. At the point of making the challenge I think he was almost parallel to Elliott.

If the trailing leg is a by product of his momentum, surely that makes it out of his control and the fact that Elliot suffered a serious injury means it's endangering his opponent's safety. Both together makes it a red card I think.

[thedoge]

Harvey today has said ,it was never a red card.

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

If the trailing leg is a by product of his momentum, surely that makes it out of his control and the fact that Elliot suffered a serious injury means it's endangering his opponent's safety. Both together makes it a red card I think.

Every sliding tackle is out of control then, once sliding you can’t immediately stop yourself. For me, this was probably a foul but not a red card.

[taio]

If the trailing leg is a by product of his momentum, surely that makes it out of his control and the fact that Elliot suffered a serious injury means it's endangering his opponent's safety. Both together makes it a red card I think.

I take your point. But what you're suggesting embargos too may sliding tackles in my view. Not what I want to see.

[evensteadiereddie]

A correctly executed sliding tackle, PYCnB, is a thing of defensive beauty. A sliding tackle from behind is outlawed for exactly the reason we saw yesterday.

[taio]

Harvey today has said ,it was never a red card.

Just seen this. Good to see that despite a serious injury he recognises it. Get well soon.

[taio]

Harvey Elliott:

"Wasn't his fault what so ever!  Neither was it a red card just a freak accident but these things happen in football"

Pretty much what the majority of what people are saying.

[bf2k]

Again im talking about the Gomez/Mee incident and I dont see that much difference between Klopp getting upset at a tackle he perceived as a bad foul when it really wasnt and Dyche getting upset about some of the penalty decisions and other fouls he moaned about that really wasn't.

Is it professional to constantly berate the 4th official like Dyche does? By your standards it probably isnt although im guessing you'd only get upset if you saw Klopp in the 4th officials ear or Henderson in the refs ear but wouldnt be too bothered if it was Dyche or Westwood.

Well you’re guessing wrong YET again.

[superdimitri]

He's so un-German like it's kinda weird tbh. The guy has no control over his emotions, nor can he look at the bigger picture.

[tiger76]

Harvey Elliott to undergo ankle surgery.

And to the surprise of no-one Leeds are appealing the sending off.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58558740

Hope the young lad gets fit and well soon.

And I equally hope commonsense prevails, and Leeds win their appeal.

An unfortunate incident for all concerned, but sadly just one of those things.

[Billy Balfour]

You know what? If Dyche had done the same, after a serious injury to a player whose barely an adult, we would be praising him to the high hills for his passion and concern.

[thedoge]

Leeds lose appeal against Struik's. red card.

[Tall Paul]

Appeal rejected.