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Post by alwaysaclaret » Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:51 pm

Phil Jones in the man u team to face wolves, I wonder if a certain Sean dyche is in the crowd, hope not. No doubt utd are putting him in the shop window.

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:44 pm

No not that old chestnut
If we getting cbs in Nat Phillips is an obvious one.Jones is very much yesterdays news

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Post by taio » Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:48 pm

alwaysaclaret wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:51 pm
Phil Jones in the man u team to face wolves, I wonder if a certain Sean dyche is in the crowd, hope not. No doubt utd are putting him in the shop window.
Maguire, Lindelof and Bailly are all injured I think.

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Post by Spijed » Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:49 pm

Nixon alluded to panic stations with regards to our transfer policy.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:54 pm

Spijed wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:49 pm
Nixon alluded to panic stations with regards to our transfer policy.
Where’s he said that?

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Post by burnleymik » Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:54 pm

Spijed wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:49 pm
Nixon alluded to panic stations with regards to our transfer policy.
Saw that and thought it was a sign that they are not giving up on the Premier League just yet.

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Post by elwaclaret » Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:59 pm

Spijed wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:49 pm
Nixon alluded to panic stations with regards to our transfer policy.
Suspect that has more to do with the number of enquiries we are making, which Nixon is seeing without knowing what the actual recruiting policy is; therefore it appears random.

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Post by Spijed » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:05 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:54 pm
Where’s he said that?
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Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:08 pm

Even Burnley don't panic on on the 3rd of January

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:09 pm

Spijed wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:05 pm
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I can’t see that on Twitter. Has he deleted it?

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Post by Spijed » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:10 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:09 pm
I can’t see that on Twitter. Has he deleted it?
If you scroll down a couple of pages (21 hours ago) it should be there.

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Post by taio » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:16 pm

Spijed wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:49 pm
Nixon alluded to panic stations with regards to our transfer policy.
I read it as a response to yesterday's awful performance and result.
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Post by superdimitri » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:25 pm

From a fans perspective it's always good to have a bad run of form before a transfer window. It means we will likely make more signings.

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Post by kentonclaret » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:28 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:25 pm
From a fans perspective it's always good to have a bad run of form before a transfer window. It means we will likely make more signings.

We lost 3 in a row leading up to the Summer transfer window. :x

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Post by superdimitri » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:31 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:28 pm
We lost 3 in a row leading up to the Summer transfer window. :x
Yes, and it would have been worse if we finished higher.
A higher placed finish gets you more money, but a lower place finish is proof you need better players.
In January it's the best place to be entering with poor form. The club isn't going to resign itself to relegation.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 03, 2022 7:59 pm

Anyone heard any rumours about Burnley chasing Charles De Ketelaere? Can’t see anything on Twitter but had two or three texts saying we are after him

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Post by taio » Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:04 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 7:59 pm
Anyone heard any rumours about Burnley chasing Charles De Ketelaere? Can’t see anything on Twitter but had two or three texts saying we are after him
Unaffordable

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Post by randomclaret2 » Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:06 pm

taio wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:04 pm
Unaffordable
£33m seems to be the figure Bruges are after

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:07 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:06 pm
£33m seems to be the figure Bruges are after
I would suggest Taio is right then.

Oh well thought it was something I could get excited about

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Post by NewClaret » Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:16 pm

Don’t believe there is anything to read in to the Nixon tweet. Can’t believe for a second that our transfer strategy would change dramatically a few hours after a disappointing loss. Or that he would hear about it if it did. Just him expressing his opinion in his usual way.

Judging by Pace’ interview, we’re not anticipating much this window. I think the next 4 weeks are critical for him and ALK’s plan. We’ll see how ambitious they are. He talks of having faith in the squad to keep us up but as a man that likes data, he can’t ignore the obvious facts that the stats suggest we’re going down. I think blind faith in a group that have done it before is somewhat naïve, but if the money isn’t there then there’s not much he can do.

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Post by elwaclaret » Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:23 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:16 pm
Don’t believe there is anything to read in to the Nixon tweet. Can’t believe for a second that our transfer strategy would change dramatically a few hours after a disappointing loss. Or that he would hear about it if it did. Just him expressing his opinion in his usual way.

Judging by Pace’ interview, we’re not anticipating much this window. I think the next 4 weeks are critical for him and ALK’s plan. We’ll see how ambitious they are. He talks of having faith in the squad to keep us up but as a man that likes data, he can’t ignore the obvious facts that the stats suggest we’re going down. I think blind faith in a group that have done it before is somewhat naïve, but if the money isn’t there then there’s not much he can do.
I think it would have been exceptionally optimistic of Pace and Co. sign Cornet with a view to making a profit at the end of the current season. For that reason alone to sign Cornet as a one off makes little sense; A flair player requires service to look good. For that reason I am more inclined to believe (the often reliable) Ben Wicks that this transfer window will see some (at least attempted) major transfer activity.

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Post by NewClaret » Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:36 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:23 pm
I think it would have been exceptionally optimistic of Pace and Co. sign Cornet with a view to making a profit at the end of the current season. For that reason alone to sign Cornet as a one off makes little sense; A flair player requires service to look good. For that reason I am more inclined to believe (the often reliable) Ben Wicks that this transfer window will see some (at least attempted) major transfer activity.
I hope that’s right. As you say, makes little sense to sign a player of his quality without then following that up. And I’m sure even Pace is feeling sorry for Cornet given the huge gulf in performance levels between him and his team mates.

If there are to be signings, I’d hope we’ve been planning them a while and are going to move quickly. This FA cup week gives us some time. And secondly that Dyche plays them quickly. His loyalty and support for his players is admirable but if we bring in quality he needs to play them and not want to work with them for two months.
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Post by NewClaret » Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:39 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:07 pm
I would suggest Taio is right then.

Oh well thought it was something I could get excited about
Spurs, West Ham, Everton and Leicester all interested and a £33m asking price. Think you should block those contacts :lol:

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Post by clarethomer » Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:42 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:16 pm
Don’t believe there is anything to read in to the Nixon tweet. Can’t believe for a second that our transfer strategy would change dramatically a few hours after a disappointing loss. Or that he would hear about it if it did. Just him expressing his opinion in his usual way.

Judging by Pace’ interview, we’re not anticipating much this window. I think the next 4 weeks are critical for him and ALK’s plan. We’ll see how ambitious they are. He talks of having faith in the squad to keep us up but as a man that likes data, he can’t ignore the obvious facts that the stats suggest we’re going down. I think blind faith in a group that have done it before is somewhat naïve, but if the money isn’t there then there’s not much he can do.
I think it's important to understand that there will be a narrative they want the public to hear and there will be an internal plan which may not truly align to that narrative. Under promise, over deliver is one phrase that may be a good way of explaining the approach they are taking for the reason that they know that deals do not always come off so would rather manage expectations than disappoint. I get the approach and it's a sensible one.

There was a good chance that if we won yesterday, It would have bought a bit more time. Sounds daft that one game could make such a difference but it wasn't just the result yesterday, it was the performance and what we all saw that set off a reaction from the fans that I don't think I have seen for a long time. Some of the people who were reacting yesterday weren't just the usual posters but also posters that generally have a fairly balanced view of things.

I would therefore rather than saying our strategy has changed, our plan B probably had to be implemented to try and protect their investment.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:45 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:39 pm
Spurs, West Ham, Everton and Leicester all interested and a £33m asking price. Think you should block those contacts :lol:
I saw the teams linked but genuinely thought because of the cornet deal there might be something in it.

However with that price there is no chance

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Post by NewClaret » Mon Jan 03, 2022 9:10 pm

clarethomer wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:42 pm
I think it's important to understand that there will be a narrative they want the public to hear and there will be an internal plan which may not truly align to that narrative. Under promise, over deliver is one phrase that may be a good way of explaining the approach they are taking for the reason that they know that deals do not always come off so would rather manage expectations than disappoint. I get the approach and it's a sensible one.
I totally agree, and it’s a very sensible approach if behind the scenes they are working on a plan. If not it’s just expectation management.

If there is indeed a plan b, I really hope it’s only an acceleration of what we were otherwise planning to do since I don’t think many knee-jerk reactions often work. And acceleration is exactly what we need from Pace now.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Jan 03, 2022 9:36 pm

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 03, 2022 9:41 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 9:36 pm
Nixon
From his reply it looks like it’s going to be a challenge based on finances

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Post by ksrclaret » Mon Jan 03, 2022 9:45 pm

Just bring those sorts in (Neil and Hill) this window as they'll be ready to hit the ground running in the Championship next year.

I've read a few comments today insinuating that we simply don't have the finances to bring in the quality needed this window. Fine. No excuses for not going for these young sorts though.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Jan 03, 2022 9:54 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 9:41 pm
From his reply it looks like it’s going to be a challenge based on finances
I'd say the opposite, they realise they are going to need some players that walk into the team. Time will tell

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:01 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 9:54 pm
I'd say the opposite, they realise they are going to need some players that walk into the team. Time will tell
Someone replies saying I just don’t see there being the finances to sign first team players. He responds with “major test”.

To me that means we are looking but it’s going to be difficult due to limited funds

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Post by elwaclaret » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:06 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:01 pm
Someone replies saying I just don’t see there being the finances to sign first team players. He responds with “major test”.

To me that means we are looking but it’s going to be difficult due to limited funds
I just read, that like us he has no idea of what the full financial structure behind Burnley football club actually is.

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Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:08 pm

Id sell McNeil or Tarks if we have a genuine midfielder target that can pass the ball through to Wood and Cornet.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:17 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:01 pm
Someone replies saying I just don’t see there being the finances to sign first team players. He responds with “major test”.

To me that means we are looking but it’s going to be difficult due to limited funds
I hadn't seen that reply, i'll go look

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Post by jojomk1 » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:24 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:01 pm
Someone replies saying I just don’t see there being the finances to sign first team players. He responds with “major test”.

To me that means we are looking but it’s going to be difficult due to limited funds
When you suddenly realise we are likely to go down this summer and you have already saddled the club with debt then Mr Pace will find very little appetite to splash out more cash that we don't have

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:26 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:06 pm
I just read, that like us he has no idea of what the full financial structure behind Burnley football club actually is.
Unlike earlier, I agree with Elwa.

Try and get major targets and also try and secure the likes of Hill and Neil for the future regardless of where we are or where we could be.

People getting all carried away on threads about our squad and rebuild etc, this is where it happens, picking up lower league stars and building a squad.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:29 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:26 pm
Unlike earlier, I agree with Elwa.

Try and get major targets and also try and secure the likes of Hill and Neil for the future regardless of where we are or where we could be.

People getting all carried away on threads about our squad and rebuild etc, this is where it happens, picking up lower league stars and building a squad.
The signings of Hill and Neil are great for the future but to be honest they are not what we need right now. We need first team talent. If we have a big January there’s still a chance we can stay up.

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:40 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:29 pm
The signings of Hill and Neil are great for the future but to be honest they are not what we need right now. We need first team talent. If we have a big January there’s still a chance we can stay up.
Agreed, but you sign them when there is a chance.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:43 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:40 pm
Agreed, but you sign them when there is a chance.
I just don’t understand the logic around signing someone like Dan Neil.

He’s 20, played 20 odd games in league one. They want a rumoured 4m for him.

We sold a 21 year CM for around 1m only 6 months ago. That had 6 premier league apps, now 16 championship apps and 12 in league 2.

Surely if we wanted to build a young team we will would have been better keeping benson
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Post by arise_sir_charge » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:48 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:43 pm
I just don’t understand the logic around signing someone like Dan Neil.

He’s 20, played 20 odd games in league one. They want a rumoured 4m for him.

We sold a 21 year CM for around 1m only 6 months ago. That had 6 premier league apps, now 16 championship apps and 12 in league 2.

Surely if we wanted to build a young team we will would have been better keeping benson

Maybe Neil is better than Benson?

It’s not as linear as who’s played where and when. If we sign Neil now and keep him rather than loan him back he could have played more prem games than Benson come summer.

People seem to think you’ve to sign players in a particular order, if funds allow, sign them when they are available rather than wait another 6 months by which point the price might double.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:51 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:48 pm
Maybe Neil is better than Benson?

It’s not as linear as who’s played where and when. If we sign Neil now and keep him rather than loan him back he could have played more prem games than Benson come summer.

People seem to think you’ve to sign players in a particular order, if funds allow, sign them when they are available rather than wait another 6 months by which point the price might double.
He very well might be better but I just can’t see him coming in and turning the tide like we require right now.

If we are planning for championship then fair enough it makes sense to get him in now and bed him in.

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Post by ksrclaret » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:52 pm

If we wait 6 months to sign Neil specifically, we simply won’t get him. Not because of the price really, but because we’ll probably be in the same league as Sunderland.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:54 pm

As a separate matter it looks like Newcastle are serious for Aaron Ramsey now.

If they sign Trippier, Botsman and Ramsey this window they will be a different animal

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:57 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:51 pm
He very well might be better but I just can’t see him coming in and turning the tide like we require right now.

If we are planning for championship then fair enough it makes sense to get him in now and bed him in.
It doesn’t matter where we think we could be, if we think that ultimately he will be good enough and we want him, if we can afford and not forgo immediate starters in doing so, sign him.

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Post by IanMcL » Mon Jan 03, 2022 11:38 pm

Sign Barclay and we stay up.

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Post by Pearcey » Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:21 am

IanMcL wrote:
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Sign Barclay and we stay up.
Wouldn’t bank on it.
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Post by jojomk1 » Tue Jan 04, 2022 7:21 am

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Sign Barclay and we stay up.
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Re: January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

Post by MACCA » Tue Jan 04, 2022 7:25 am

Interesting signing, but I wouldn't be using the savings on him.

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Re: January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

Post by superdimitri » Tue Jan 04, 2022 7:38 am

The thread should be about signings not singing.

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Re: January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

Post by NewClaret » Tue Jan 04, 2022 7:56 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:01 pm
Someone replies saying I just don’t see there being the finances to sign first team players. He responds with “major test”.

To me that means we are looking but it’s going to be difficult due to limited funds
Wouldn’t hang on every word Nixon says. He’s not likely to know our financial situation any better than we do, hence why he uses vague terms like “major test” that neither suggest we have or haven’t got funds.

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