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Long Ball...

Post by burnleymik » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:01 pm

Seems we are pretty good at it...


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Post by Johma » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:02 pm

Ok if theres end product

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Post by Red Fox Rocks Socks » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:06 pm

I’d be interested in the number of inaccurate long passes
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Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:50 pm

Red Fox Rocks Socks wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:06 pm
I’d be interested in the number of inaccurate long passes
The numbers are there, work it out.

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Post by alboclaret » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:05 pm

How are they there ?

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Re: Long Ball...

Post by SalisburyClaret » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:06 pm

It’s the short passes we’re rubbish at - perhaps we should stand further apart

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Post by MACCA » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:13 pm

We are not a long ball side though, definitely not, the UTC posters say so....

Just to add I agree with a poster above
We've struggle with the simple quick 20 yard passes recently, so I'm not sure what the answer is other than lots of work on the training ground needed.

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Post by Stayingup » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:14 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:06 pm
It’s the short passes we’re rubbish at - perhaps we should stand further apart
Yes on Saturday we attempted to play a short pass sideways game, going nowhere at a snails pace and eventually passing to an opposition player. For long balls over the top for example we dont have pace to utilize it. Gray was good for that.

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Post by Darnhill Claret » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:18 pm

Alboclaret, just subtract the ‘accurate long passes’ from 100 and you have the % of inaccurate long passes. We will top that list as well.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:25 pm

Darnhill Claret wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:18 pm
Alboclaret, just subtract the ‘accurate long passes’ from 100 and you have the % of inaccurate long passes. We will top that list as well.
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top ... long_balls

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Post by aggi » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:40 pm

Darnhill Claret wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:18 pm
Alboclaret, just subtract the ‘accurate long passes’ from 100 and you have the % of inaccurate long passes. We will top that list as well.
Pretty sure they're not percentages
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Post by Swizzlestick » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:44 pm

Some interesting stats on the Premier League website linked above - we're bottom of the list for tackles and joint top for being caught offside.

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Post by Vino blanco » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:53 pm

If we are that good at this long ball lark, we should be using it much more often in my opinion.
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Post by Darnhill Claret » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:07 pm

Aggi, you could well be right. My interpretation could easily be wrong. Could just be numbers.

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Post by burnleymik » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:22 pm

Seems like we are accurate with it, but then don't do much with it!

Interestingly some of there other stats has Charlie Taylor as making the 2nd most interceptions and Dwight as being 5th in the Prem for most tackles.

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Post by alboclaret » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:24 pm

Darnhill Claret wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:18 pm
Alboclaret, just subtract the ‘accurate long passes’ from 100 and you have the % of inaccurate long passes. We will top that list as well.
Nothing about percentage
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Post by BigChaCha » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:29 pm

Long ball, short ball, doesn't really matter because we play 'boring ball'!

My 13-year-old son (at the time) made the decision a few seasons ago, along with all his mates to stop watching Burnley because of the mind-sucking football and they went to watch Accrington Stanley instead... Now 2 seasons on and at 15 years of age, he and his mates are absolutely loving going to watch Accy Stanley!... Far better football, attacking intent and a better atmosphere is what he and all his friends say now... In his heart, I think Burnley are still his number one but I have lost count of the number of fans, especially young fans that have deserted Turf Moor because of 'DycheBall'!

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Post by Vino blanco » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:31 pm

Strange isn't it, that most of the teams in that long ball usage list are in the bottom half of the league. I don't see City, Chelsea, Liverpool etc in there.
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Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:41 pm

it's antiquated

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Post by Tall Paul » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:42 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:31 pm
Strange isn't it, that most of the teams in that long ball usage list are in the bottom half of the league. I don't see City, Chelsea, Liverpool etc in there.
It's almost as if the top six aren't included and that table just shows TheOther14 clubs.

How strange.

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Post by Row Z » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:55 pm

BigChaCha wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:29 pm
Long ball, short ball, doesn't really matter because we play 'boring ball'!

My 13-year-old son (at the time) made the decision a few seasons ago, along with all his mates to stop watching Burnley because of the mind-sucking football and they went to watch Accrington Stanley instead... Now 2 seasons on and at 15 years of age, he and his mates are absolutely loving going to watch Accy Stanley!... Far better football, attacking intent and a better atmosphere is what he and all his friends say now... In his heart, I think Burnley are still his number one but I have lost count of the number of fans, especially young fans that have deserted Turf Moor because of 'DycheBall'!
Strange isn't it... long period of sustained "success", yet attendances have fallen over the period, both home and away.

Teams who build their success on "long ball" / "direct" football generally have struggled transitioning to an alternative style of play whilst remaining successful.

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Post by Swizzlestick » Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:04 pm

BigChaCha wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:29 pm
Long ball, short ball, doesn't really matter because we play 'boring ball'!

My 13-year-old son (at the time) made the decision a few seasons ago, along with all his mates to stop watching Burnley because of the mind-sucking football and they went to watch Accrington Stanley instead... Now 2 seasons on and at 15 years of age, he and his mates are absolutely loving going to watch Accy Stanley!... Far better football, attacking intent and a better atmosphere is what he and all his friends say now... In his heart, I think Burnley are still his number one but I have lost count of the number of fans, especially young fans that have deserted Turf Moor because of 'DycheBall'!
Frankly, the less fans like this, the better. The football and results aren't great at the moment but to be so dismissive of one of the most successful managers in our history, who has brought regular Premier League football which I thought I'd never see in my lifetime, removed the Rovers hoodoo and brought some of the best times at the Turf is mindboggling to me. I suggest you all stick with Accy, and don't bother running back when we pick up some results, as you clearly don't understand what supporting the team means.

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Post by Row Z » Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:08 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:31 pm
Strange isn't it, that most of the teams in that long ball usage list are in the bottom half of the league. I don't see City, Chelsea, Liverpool etc in there.
You need the best players to be good at playing short... too many mistakes caused by poor players trying to play out from the back, as we seem to have fallen for recently.

City make it look incredibly easy. Our goal kicks are true 50/50s the majority of the time, yet they roll it out from the back and are on the half way line in possession nearly every time.

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Post by Stockbrokerbelt » Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:11 pm

Ignore stats, they are like a bikini in that they show a lot but not all. If you want to be fair Liverpool play a long ball game in the fact they play long balls which because its Liverpool they get called long pass over the opposing defence for their forwards to chase. As for the stats showing % of play per team another smoke screen in the fact that what they call pretty football is usually so many passes between their own defenders that its bound to rack up & disfigure the true amount a team hurts another team. We have continually been in the top 10 for chances created in the opposition box. So many people forget the number of times we play great football & one of the few teams who can mix it up, i did not hear anyone saying we were boring after the Palace game & again we have been in most games & lost by the odd goal.

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Post by BigChaCha » Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:22 pm

I suggest you all stick with Accy, and don't bother running back when we pick up some results
Results have absolutely nothing to do with it!... We were still boring under SD even when we have done relatively well in terms of results. If every entertainment organisation had your attitude, they'd be out of business. There are a million and one things people can be doing on a matchday so they demand to be entertained or they will do something else... Sitting watching constantly turgid football in the cold is not something to be proud of and is the definition of insanity when watching something that is dull 99% of the time and paying for the pleasure!.. We are not still living in the 1970s!
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Post by Shaggy » Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:26 pm

Dycheball almost makes Cotterball acceptable at least he had an excuse where he generally was hampered with no money and no squad.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:36 pm

Swizzlestick wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:04 pm
Frankly, the less fans like this, the better. The football and results aren't great at the moment but to be so dismissive of one of the most successful managers in our history, who has brought regular Premier League football which I thought I'd never see in my lifetime, removed the Rovers hoodoo and brought some of the best times at the Turf is mindboggling to me. I suggest you all stick with Accy, and don't bother running back when we pick up some results, as you clearly don't understand what supporting the team means.
I know lads that have been going for over 40 years home and away that no longer go. To suggest they don't understand what supporting a team means is frankly laughable.
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Post by Vino blanco » Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:43 pm

I'm the same Vegas, I know quite a lot of my old mates back in Burnley who have stopped going on in the last 18 months because of the lack of enjoyment watching our current style of football. These are lads I have travelled the length and breadth of England with, in all four divisions.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:57 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:43 pm
I'm the same Vegas, I know quite a lot of my old mates back in Burnley who have stopped going on in the last 18 months because of the lack of enjoyment watching our current style of football. These are lads I have travelled the length and breadth of England with, in all four divisions.
exactly the same then, apparently not fans though :?

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Post by RVclaret » Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:58 pm

You’d think after almost 10 years the playing style would have evolved somewhat. If anything, its the worst its ever been. Yes people are going to say ‘oh but he’s had no money to spend’ but it says it all when HIS first choice signings this year were Ashley Young and Marc Albrighton.

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Post by Vino blanco » Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:02 pm

Aged 36 and 32 respectively

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Post by Denno97 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:15 pm

We tried to resign a 39 year old Crouchy. If that doesn’t tell you about Dyches ideal transfer strategy nothing will

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Post by The Enclosure » Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:49 pm

As of today a thing of the past.

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