January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[KRBFC]

more so than hypothetically (had he not gone we would play him) continuing to play Wood up front with his 3 goals and no assists ? Whilst I think it would be a short term thing I would suggest Carroll would win an awful lot more in the air than Wood, and seeing as that's where we play our football.....

mate he's scored 1 Championship goal all season, him leading a PL line would result in relegation, no doubt about it. While I agree we were toast with Wood upfront, the finances coming in means we can upgrade a few areas now and shake things up not go back to frittering money away on even more squad fillers, we've a squad full of them atm.

[Safron]

I think if we were to sign Carrol it signals that the club with half the season to play have give up the fight just has the players have, we need a fresh start and a change of mindset and drop the little old Burnley shite and get in 3 new players with hunger and fight and passion to wear the shirt and give a bloody good go , and this starts with dyche

[jojomk1]

Because we are ok for centre half’s at the minute

Trouble is, a couple of our CB's look to be in their comfort zone for the last few games

[Vegas Claret]

mate he's scored 1 Championship goal all season, him leading a PL line would result in relegation, no doubt about it. While I agree we were toast with Wood upfront, the finances coming in means we can upgrade a few areas now and shake things up not go back to frittering money away on even more squad fillers, we've a squad full of them atm.

any idea how many games he's played an how many assists he's got at Reading ? I've no idea, just asking

[Vegas Claret]

Anyone at Derby worth a punt on ? Their players have been told to speak to the Administrators if they want to leave, fire sale required

[kentonclaret]

You're seriously delusional if you think we'll stay up with Carroll, a guy who has scored 1 Championship goal all season.

Jay Rodriguez has yet to score a league goal this season. An indicator of the perilous situation we have helped create for ourselves by not bringing in at least 1 striker who was not approaching 30 years old and could have at least been suitable back up.

[RVclaret]

any idea how many games he's played an how many assists he's got at Reading ? I've no idea, just asking

7 games 1 goal 1 assist.

[RVclaret]

Anyone at Derby worth a punt on ? Their players have been told to speak to the Administrators if they want to leave, fire sale required

We were linked with Jason Knight in the past. Not sure if he's still injured (Rooney slide tackle in training ). He'd be a decent signing for midfield.

Tom Lawrence probably an upgrade on JBG and Lennon too and would be good for the Championship next year. He's also out of contract this summer.

[warksclaret]

Anyone at Derby worth a punt on ? Their players have been told to speak to the Administrators if they want to leave, fire sale required

Jason Knight-you would hope he was on our radar

[Paul Waine]

I find it fascinating following all the discussion amongst the football analysts on this mb. Keep it up, guys.

UTC

[warksclaret]

You would think if you were a manager and had been for 12 years that you would have shortlist of players you would like to see in a Burnley shirt, across the positions. The same for the assistant manager.You would hope the chase now we have £25m would be already on. Still if we dont use the money it will all help the owners fund the debt they created

[Newcastleclaret93]

I find it fascinating following all the discussion amongst the football analysts on this mb. Keep it up, guys.

UTC

It’s exciting times

[KRBFC]

I find it fascinating following all the discussion amongst the football analysts on this mb. Keep it up, guys.

UTC

thankyou mr football financial expert.

I noticed you quickly dropped the exciting times gimmick

[Taffy on the wing]

WOW!......I get up and see there's 5 new pages of rumors...has to be something of substance right?..


......Nope!.....Just 5 pages of bickering & DROSS.

[warksclaret]

Forget what people on here are saying-we have the two extremes. What I find more interesting is hearing what the more reputable pundits are saying about selling our top scorer to our main relegation rival, and the supposedly interested in Carroll who has been on the scrap heap for almost 4 years.I dont think they can believe whats happening and how little we value our PL status.He is so wanted by other clubs he is prepared to earn £1k a week at Reading with no medium or long term contract

[Paul Waine]

thankyou mr football financial expert.

I noticed you quickly dropped the exciting times gimmick

It’s exciting times

Hi guys, this thread is headed "Transfer Window Rumours" - though, we know no one sticks to the subject. I found the photo of a "Jersey Passport" cover interesting.

Yes, transfers include having the money to pay for the incoming players, however, other than that, most of this thread does not qualify, in my view, for my "exciting times" acclaim. (My use of "exciting times" is not a gimmick).

However, as you've asked, I'm pleased to acclaim

Exciting Times

and

UTC

[kentonclaret]

Hi guys, this thread is headed "Transfer Window Rumours" - though, we know no one sticks to the subject. I found the photo of a "Jersey Passport" cover interesting.

Yes, transfers include having the money to pay for the incoming players, however, other than that, most of this thread does not qualify, in my view, for my "exciting times" acclaim. (My use of "exciting times" is not a gimmick).

However, as you've asked, I'm pleased to acclaim

Exciting Times

and

UTC

Perhaps the acclaim needs changing to "Desperate Times"

[AfloatinClaret]

WOW!......I get up and see there's 5 new pages of rumors...has to be something of substance right?..


......Nope!.....Just 5 pages of bickering & DROSS.

Just had exactly the same experience; well, I assume so: As I reached the first post on each page still discussing Andy Carroll (never more than two!) I just scrolled on to the next page until I arrived here.

[Long Time Lurker]

Joel Piroe is being watched.

Hardly surprising. After the Chris Wood bomb dropped it was inevitable. I'm guessing that the first name out of the mouth of our FT European Scout ( Lee Jones ) was probably Kieffer Moore, followed closely by Joel Piroe. When he first joined us I pointed out that his active scouting experience had been focussed on Welsh football and League 2. I don't think it is a coincidence that our transfer targets since his arrival have had a very pronounced Welsh flavour.

We set ourselves up to fail yet again. Prior to this window we where already singing the Mike Rigg Mantra " doing business in the Winter window is far to difficult ". Despite waving a long overdue good riddance to Mike Rigg we are still suffering from the excuse laden culture that he brought with him to the club. We made to clear to the football world that we wouldn't be doing anything in this window, unless something dropped in our lap. The last time that we did that we got lucky with Brownhill. This time we got hit with a huge problem.

Once again we are paying the price for a sit back and put the kettle on approach to making a difference. A big part of our recent troubles have been down to a lack of proactivity. We don't seem to realise that business can be done before the transfer windows open ( putting everything in place and then completing all the paper work when the window opens ). Neither do we appear to know that things like pre-contracts exist.

Daryl Dike moved to West Brom when this window opened for 8m. Jan Kuchta, a solid physical target man and Czech International went to Loko Moscow for 4.5m. Erik Botheim was signed by Krasnodar from Boldo Glint for 4.5m, another respectable young target man. Any of these strikers would have made a decent acquisition for us at a reasonable price. With an ageing front line and the possibility that Vids may leave us on a free transfer at the end of his contract we should have been looking at strikers in this window - without the unexpected departure of Woody.

For me it doesn't end there. We need a decent midfielder who can put in a defensive shift and elevate our passing game. I've been harping on about Patrick Berg for a few windows now. Well, after announcing his desire to leave Boldo Glint ahead of this window, he was quickly snapped up by RC Len as a quality midfield back up and future starter. The paid a paltry end of contract 4m for him. His fellow team member Fredrik Andre Bjorken, an athletic left back, went to Hertha BSC on a free transfer. He would have made a good replacement for Pieters. Anthony Caci, a quality two footed left back for RC Strasbourg, with an excellent passing game, signed a pre-contract with FSV Mainz. He will join the next season on a free transfer. In my opinion he would have been an excellent acquisition for us. He could have filled either our left back or right back slots and from the games that I watched he had everything necessary to make a good right winger.

But ............ doing business in the Winter Window is far to difficult ".

I think that only holds true if you have a recruitment team that isn't up to scratch and one that has become complacent and lazy.

For our American owners I offer up a quote - Abraham Lincoln " Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle ". If we had added Patrick Berg, Anthony Caci, Fredrik Bjorken ( and possibly a striker ) to our squad we could have really refreshed our squad for a very small outlay. Even if we go down we would have had an excellent Championship midfield for next season. I'm guessing part of the reason behind our reluctance to act in this window is the fallacious belief that recruitment in the Championship is easier. If we spend money in this window we won't have any left to spend in the Summer ( the old Mike Rigg argument - we don't want to compromise what we could do in the Summer ) probably had a lot to do with it as well.

We deserve everything we are getting and will get, because our recruitment is embarrassing on every level. I'm also including the last window in that assessment as well. It will be interesting to see who we end up with as a new striker, if anyone.

Andy " sick bay " Carroll is an interesting one. Cheap and he would fit how we play, or I should say how we used to play. I read another thread that questioned whether we should change how we play. That left me somewhat bemused. In my opinion we have already changed how we play and that is why we are doing so badly.

We used to have a simple plan, Dwight and Taylor overlap down the left to provide us with a creative outlet, crosses are made into the box with the target being Wood who is positioned in the centre of the box. That provides him chances where he likes to take them. Wood also uses makes use of his hold up play so our slower players can get up the field an assist in attacks. We nick more than our fair share of goals from corners. The net result is that we were a defensively solid outfit who were awkward to play against.

This season I'm guessing the tactical changed revolved around the notion or " if we increase our goals from midfield and up our tally we will move up the table ". So we played Dwight as an inverted winger or when he was on the left he was encouraged to roam into the centre more. That meant our crossing outlet to Wood dried up when Dwight was on the right and when he was on the left he went walk about which nullified the productive over lap that he had with Taylor and diminished his crosses to Wood from the left.

I bought up the idea of Dwight being one footed on another thread, but that doesn't mean I think he is a bad player. If somebody comes to me and they ask for a tool to knock in nails I would give them a hammer and it would do a good job. Should another person come to me an ask for a tool to saw a piece of wood in half I could give them the same hammer, but it would do a bad job. Same hammer, two different results.

Dwight is excellent for us on the left, but on right he is average. Playing him on the right didn't result in more chances being created. I've looked at the stats and the number of created chances is roughly the same as last year. However, the type of chances we have created this season are different. Instead of all the central shooting opportunities favoured by Wood we have seen far more around the left and right edges of the box ( with a lot more on the left ). This probably explains why the shots on target stats fell noticeably for Chris Wood this season. It was down from his usual average of 50% to below 30%. We stopped giving him the type of service that made him a double digit PL striker.

The arrival of Cornet appeared to throw another spanner into the mix. Last season Woods job was as our primary scorer and hold up man. This season he seemed to spend more time occupying defenders to give Cornet the freedom to move about and shoot. He was relegated to a nursery maid support role. All of the above might explain why he seemed a bit unhappy at times.

The final crunch was the return punches we experienced. The reduced quality of our crosses meant that a lot of them were intercepted or picked up and translated into counter attacking opportunities. Pushing a higher line in search of more chances and goals also meant we were slower to regain our defensive shape. Crossing to shorter players who had little chance in duels with taller defenders didn't help either. The outcome, sloppy defending and goals conceded on the break. Leeds exploited this to the full.

So our tactical change for this year nullified our primary creative outlet, stifled our main goal threat and weakened our defence. Is it any wonder that our results are a lot worse than last year ?

For me, our best chance to turn things around would have been to go back to playing how we used to play. That boring but effective football that has kept us in PL. Unfortunately, with the departure of Wood this is no longer an option. Newcastle played a master stroke. They weakened us ( we have money, but a poor recruitment set up to spend it and little time ) and they strengthened themselves a lot ( they must be salivating at the thought of Wood on the end of all those crosses from Tripps ).

Sorry for the ramble, but I'm hugely disappointed in us.

To bring things back on track. The obvious target man striker we should be pursuing is Elijah Adebayo of Luton. He is as close to a Chris Wood player as we are likely to get, providing we are looking at a long term player and not a sticking plaster ( Carroll could do that if he can stay fit ).

Another option would be a loan for Liam Delap. Man City were listening to loan offers for him at the start of the season, but they lost a couple of first team strikers and he picked up some niggling injuries so nothing materialised. Delap might be back fit and they might be open to offers again.

Looking to the future I might consider Sam Lammers who is currently on loan at Eintracht Frankfurt, who love their target men. The PL league is probably to big a jump for him now ( if he could be recalled from loan ) but I think he could do a job for us in the Championship. He fits the bill physically, his hold up play would suit us, his shooting needs work, but he would be more inclined to act as second fiddle to a striker like Cornet ( if that is his future ).

Other Championship options would be the out of contract Lys Mousset, Carlton Morris ( who looked okay as a CF at the beginning of last season and less than okay as a winger after that ). Viktor Gyokeres is doing well at Coventry, but they only bought him recently.

Depressing times.

[Long Time Lurker]

Anyone at Derby worth a punt on ? Their players have been told to speak to the Administrators if they want to leave, fire sale required

Max Bird

[blake's wand]

This is an interesting article - suggesting who would be a good replacement based on Wood's stats/style of play: https://totalfootballanalysis.com/data- ... at-burnley

[ClaretPete001]

Hi guys, this thread is headed "Transfer Window Rumours" - though, we know no one sticks to the subject. I found the photo of a "Jersey Passport" cover interesting.

Yes, transfers include having the money to pay for the incoming players, however, other than that, most of this thread does not qualify, in my view, for my "exciting times" acclaim. (My use of "exciting times" is not a gimmick).

However, as you've asked, I'm pleased to acclaim

Exciting Times

and

UTC

We currently have 3 strikers who have scored 8 goals between them in two seasons. Statistically, at best, that is a goal every 4 or so games, which means we potentially have the ability to win 1 in every fourth game by 1-0. With 21 games to play that is 12 points still about 15 away from securing our premiership place.

So, at it's most exciting we can look forward to 4 wins of 1-0, 15 draws and 2 losses in the remaining games. Weighed against that is we may sign a player that transforms the team. And of course we may not and things get much worse.

Based on probability theory excitement in the current situation is probably unlikely. A reality, which Andy Carroll is unlikely to change given the facts of his career. But as with any prediction I could be wrong.

[Vegas Claret]

This is an interesting article - suggesting who would be a good replacement based on Wood's stats/style of play: https://totalfootballanalysis.com/data- ... at-burnley

I for one don't want anyone like Wood but that's because the football is mostly playing hopeful percentages. I am naively hoping him leaving will prompt a directional change from our most predictable 4-4-2 give it to Mee and Tarks to thunder **** it up field. Interesting article though and one thing it does show is how distinctly average Wood was

[KRBFC]

I'd be on the phone to Pep for Liam Delap

[ClaretPete001]

I for one don't want anyone like Wood but that's because the football is mostly playing hopeful percentages. I am naively hoping him leaving will prompt a directional change from our most predictable 4-4-2 give it to Mee and Tarks to thunder **** it up field. Interesting article though and one thing it does show is how distinctly average Wood was

If I was Sean Dyche and could get hold of a younger replacement for Woods to slot into the team I would. A bit of confidence and Cornet back we could stay up. The bigger problem is the money required to re-build an ageing squad; whether, we get a replacement for Wood or not.

[ClaretMov]

I think if we were to sign Carrol it signals that the club with half the season to play have give up the fight just has the players have, we need a fresh start and a change of mindset and drop the little old Burnley shite and get in 3 new players with hunger and fight and passion to wear the shirt and give a bloody good go , and this starts with dyche

It signals we need cover, at the moment we have one forward who can play, Rodriguez, Vydra looks out for the season and God only knows about Barnes, if Jay Rod gets injured we are playing Lennon upfront ffs.

No one is saying Carroll is the player to score all the goals and save us but he could come in on low wages to cover the bench just incase we can't bring anyone in or Jay Rod is injured

[Guller Bull]

It signals we need cover, at the moment we have one forward who can play, Rodriguez, Vydra looks out for the season and God only knows about Barnes, if Jay Rod gets injured we are playing Lennon upfront ffs.

No one is saying Carroll is the player to score all the goals and save us but he could come in on low wages to cover the bench just incase we can't bring anyone in or Jay Rod is injured

I'd far rather start Tuesdays game against Watford with Andy Carroll available than just Aaron Lennon. He is not someone that I want to build our future on but as an immediate back up then yeah!

[Jakubclaret]

This is an interesting article - suggesting who would be a good replacement based on Wood's stats/style of play: https://totalfootballanalysis.com/data- ... at-burnley

It’s of little use if you can’t afford them or don’t want to spend the money, Carroll is being pitched because he’s dirt cheap & obtainable & suits what the club are after.

[Firthy]

It signals we need cover, at the moment we have one forward who can play, Rodriguez, Vydra looks out for the season and God only knows about Barnes, if Jay Rod gets injured we are playing Lennon upfront ffs.

No one is saying Carroll is the player to score all the goals and save us but he could come in on low wages to cover the bench just incase we can't bring anyone in or Jay Rod is injured

Just in case we can't bring anyone in?? If that's the case then we might as well give up now, I doubt we would even survive in the championship with the current squad.

[DCWat]

Hardly surprising. After the Chris Wood bomb dropped it was inevitable. I'm guessing that the first name out of the mouth of our FT European Scout ( Lee Jones ) was probably Kieffer Moore, followed closely by Joel Piroe. When he first joined us I pointed out that his active scouting experience had been focussed on Welsh football and League 2. I don't think it is a coincidence that our transfer targets since his arrival have had a very pronounced Welsh flavour.

I’ve not digested the whole tome, but do wonder why you’ve come to the conclusion that our recruitment has a “very pronounced Welsh flavour”?

We signed one Welsh player who many felt was a good signing and a back up Welsh keeper, which was needed. It hardly suggests that we will only focus on Welsh players or that the scout in question can only scout Welsh players (you’re guessing yourself at two Welsh options).

I don’t know anything about Lee Jones, but if he’s a decent scout and finds decent players, I don’t give two hoots if he looks in Wales or wherever.

[frankinwales]

Hardly surprising. After the Chris Wood bomb dropped it was inevitable. I'm guessing that the first name out of the mouth of our FT European Scout ( Lee Jones ) was probably Kieffer Moore, followed closely by Joel Piroe. When he first joined us I pointed out that his active scouting experience had been focussed on Welsh football and League 2. I don't think it is a coincidence that our transfer targets since his arrival have had a very pronounced Welsh flavour.

We set ourselves up to fail yet again. Prior to this window we where already singing the Mike Rigg Mantra " doing business in the Winter window is far to difficult ". Despite waving a long overdue good riddance to Mike Rigg we are still suffering from the excuse laden culture that he brought with him to the club. We made to clear to the football world that we wouldn't be doing anything in this window, unless something dropped in our lap. The last time that we did that we got lucky with Brownhill. This time we got hit with a huge problem.

Once again we are paying the price for a sit back and put the kettle on approach to making a difference. A big part of our recent troubles have been down to a lack of proactivity. We don't seem to realise that business can be done before the transfer windows open ( putting everything in place and then completing all the paper work when the window opens ). Neither do we appear to know that things like pre-contracts exist.

Daryl Dike moved to West Brom when this window opened for 8m. Jan Kuchta, a solid physical target man and Czech International went to Loko Moscow for 4.5m. Erik Botheim was signed by Krasnodar from Boldo Glint for 4.5m, another respectable young target man. Any of these strikers would have made a decent acquisition for us at a reasonable price. With an ageing front line and the possibility that Vids may leave us on a free transfer at the end of his contract we should have been looking at strikers in this window - without the unexpected departure of Woody.

For me it doesn't end there. We need a decent midfielder who can put in a defensive shift and elevate our passing game. I've been harping on about Patrick Berg for a few windows now. Well, after announcing his desire to leave Boldo Glint ahead of this window, he was quickly snapped up by RC Len as a quality midfield back up and future starter. The paid a paltry end of contract 4m for him. His fellow team member Fredrik Andre Bjorken, an athletic left back, went to Hertha BSC on a free transfer. He would have made a good replacement for Pieters. Anthony Caci, a quality two footed left back for RC Strasbourg, with an excellent passing game, signed a pre-contract with FSV Mainz. He will join the next season on a free transfer. In my opinion he would have been an excellent acquisition for us. He could have filled either our left back or right back slots and from the games that I watched he had everything necessary to make a good right winger.

But ............ doing business in the Winter Window is far to difficult ".

I think that only holds true if you have a recruitment team that isn't up to scratch and one that has become complacent and lazy.

For our American owners I offer up a quote - Abraham Lincoln " Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle ". If we had added Patrick Berg, Anthony Caci, Fredrik Bjorken ( and possibly a striker ) to our squad we could have really refreshed our squad for a very small outlay. Even if we go down we would have had an excellent Championship midfield for next season. I'm guessing part of the reason behind our reluctance to act in this window is the fallacious belief that recruitment in the Championship is easier. If we spend money in this window we won't have any left to spend in the Summer ( the old Mike Rigg argument - we don't want to compromise what we could do in the Summer ) probably had a lot to do with it as well.

We deserve everything we are getting and will get, because our recruitment is embarrassing on every level. I'm also including the last window in that assessment as well. It will be interesting to see who we end up with as a new striker, if anyone.

Andy " sick bay " Carroll is an interesting one. Cheap and he would fit how we play, or I should say how we used to play. I read another thread that questioned whether we should change how we play. That left me somewhat bemused. In my opinion we have already changed how we play and that is why we are doing so badly.

We used to have a simple plan, Dwight and Taylor overlap down the left to provide us with a creative outlet, crosses are made into the box with the target being Wood who is positioned in the centre of the box. That provides him chances where he likes to take them. Wood also uses makes use of his hold up play so our slower players can get up the field an assist in attacks. We nick more than our fair share of goals from corners. The net result is that we were a defensively solid outfit who were awkward to play against.

This season I'm guessing the tactical changed revolved around the notion or " if we increase our goals from midfield and up our tally we will move up the table ". So we played Dwight as an inverted winger or when he was on the left he was encouraged to roam into the centre more. That meant our crossing outlet to Wood dried up when Dwight was on the right and when he was on the left he went walk about which nullified the productive over lap that he had with Taylor and diminished his crosses to Wood from the left.

I bought up the idea of Dwight being one footed on another thread, but that doesn't mean I think he is a bad player. If somebody comes to me and they ask for a tool to knock in nails I would give them a hammer and it would do a good job. Should another person come to me an ask for a tool to saw a piece of wood in half I could give them the same hammer, but it would do a bad job. Same hammer, two different results.

Dwight is excellent for us on the left, but on right he is average. Playing him on the right didn't result in more chances being created. I've looked at the stats and the number of created chances is roughly the same as last year. However, the type of chances we have created this season are different. Instead of all the central shooting opportunities favoured by Wood we have seen far more around the left and right edges of the box ( with a lot more on the left ). This probably explains why the shots on target stats fell noticeably for Chris Wood this season. It was down from his usual average of 50% to below 30%. We stopped giving him the type of service that made him a double digit PL striker.

The arrival of Cornet appeared to throw another spanner into the mix. Last season Woods job was as our primary scorer and hold up man. This season he seemed to spend more time occupying defenders to give Cornet the freedom to move about and shoot. He was relegated to a nursery maid support role. All of the above might explain why he seemed a bit unhappy at times.

The final crunch was the return punches we experienced. The reduced quality of our crosses meant that a lot of them were intercepted or picked up and translated into counter attacking opportunities. Pushing a higher line in search of more chances and goals also meant we were slower to regain our defensive shape. Crossing to shorter players who had little chance in duels with taller defenders didn't help either. The outcome, sloppy defending and goals conceded on the break. Leeds exploited this to the full.

So our tactical change for this year nullified our primary creative outlet, stifled our main goal threat and weakened our defence. Is it any wonder that our results are a lot worse than last year ?

For me, our best chance to turn things around would have been to go back to playing how we used to play. That boring but effective football that has kept us in PL. Unfortunately, with the departure of Wood this is no longer an option. Newcastle played a master stroke. They weakened us ( we have money, but a poor recruitment set up to spend it and little time ) and they strengthened themselves a lot ( they must be salivating at the thought of Wood on the end of all those crosses from Tripps ).

Sorry for the ramble, but I'm hugely disappointed in us.

To bring things back on track. The obvious target man striker we should be pursuing is Elijah Adebayo of Luton. He is as close to a Chris Wood player as we are likely to get, providing we are looking at a long term player and not a sticking plaster ( Carroll could do that if he can stay fit ).

Another option would be a loan for Liam Delap. Man City were listening to loan offers for him at the start of the season, but they lost a couple of first team strikers and he picked up some niggling injuries so nothing materialised. Delap might be back fit and they might be open to offers again.

Looking to the future I might consider Sam Lammers who is currently on loan at Eintracht Frankfurt, who love their target men. The PL league is probably to big a jump for him now ( if he could be recalled from loan ) but I think he could do a job for us in the Championship. He fits the bill physically, his hold up play would suit us, his shooting needs work, but he would be more inclined to act as second fiddle to a striker like Cornet ( if that is his future ).

Other Championship options would be the out of contract Lys Mousset, Carlton Morris ( who looked okay as a CF at the beginning of last season and less than okay as a winger after that ). Viktor Gyokeres is doing well at Coventry, but they only bought him recently.

Depressing times.

Thanks long time lurker...I always enjoy your posts...you must watch a lot of football on tv...I agree we are in a mess...We dont look coherent and really we seem quite amateurish..

I hope we can yet get in some gems..

Up the Clarets.

[arise_sir_charge]

Thanks long time lurker...I always enjoy your posts...you must watch a lot of football on tv...I agree we are in a mess...We dont look coherent and really we seem quite amateurish..

I hope we can yet get in some gems..

Up the Clarets.

FFS if you have to quote LTL, don’t quote the whole thing, it makes reading the board on a mobile a complete pain in the arse.

[Guller Bull]

FFS if you have to quote LTL, don’t quote the whole thing, it makes reading the board on a mobile a complete pain in the arse.

Just quoting part of LTL would be like chopping out huge sections of William Shakespeare's finest works.

[arise_sir_charge]

Just quoting part of LTL would be like chopping out huge sections of William Shakespeare's finest works.

Aye but you don’t have to recite the entirety of Hamlet to use the phrase “to be or not to be”.

[DCWat]

FFS if you have to quote LTL, don’t quote the whole thing, it makes reading the board on a mobile a complete pain in the arse.

It takes ten minutes just to reduce the quote to a manageable size

[Vegas Claret]

LTL has it spot on with recruitment

[Guller Bull]

LTL is the Bard and the Messiah (plus Lemmy) all rolled into one!

Don't you dare condense his words!

[jrgbfc]

It signals we need cover, at the moment we have one forward who can play, Rodriguez, Vydra looks out for the season and God only knows about Barnes, if Jay Rod gets injured we are playing Lennon upfront ffs.

No one is saying Carroll is the player to score all the goals and save us but he could come in on low wages to cover the bench just incase we can't bring anyone in or Jay Rod is injured

If it's Carroll or nothing, then it's obviously better. But then we get to summer and Dyche wants to give him a new 12 month deal, and the whole muddled, short term thinking mess carries on.

[Iloveyoubrady]

Let’s see what happens before criticising our recruitment. As far as I’m concerned, even if we go down, £25M is better invested on a couple of players with growth potential than Chris Wood. It’s the start of the rebuild. The new owners have done well so far, the summer showed some forward thinking and planning for the future. Selling a 30 year old striker in poor form for a record over 30 price is good business, now it’s about investing wisely. Give the owners at least a little time to pull off what they can.

[KlyBfc]

Let’s get it right Andy Carroll would be a horrendous signing and a huge downgrade from Woody in almost every scenario.. Except this one. We need miles better players than him, we want and need younger talent. However that’s not going to be done swiftly and we desperately need another attacking option for Tuesday. So if that has to be Carroll then so be it. I’d rather have him in the squad v Watford than be left with 1 striker. However we would still need to chase someone new before the window closes as Carroll is not the answer to any question.

[boatshed bill]

If it's Carroll or nothing, then it's obviously better. But then we get to summer and Dyche wants to give him a new 12 month deal, and the whole muddled, short term thinking mess carries on.

It would be just about the final nail in the coffin of our squad;s morale.
Better to sign no-one, and make it clear to all why.

[fatboy47]

I'd say, in all honesty, that if we're genuinely considering Carroll then it's fairly obvious we're phooked financially and bereft of any innovation in playing style.

[ClaretMov]

It would be just about the final nail in the coffin of our squad;s morale.
Better to sign no-one, and make it clear to all why.

Sign no one omg just goes to show the mentally on here of some fan's

[Long Time Lurker]

I’ve not digested the whole tome, but do wonder why you’ve come to the conclusion that our recruitment has a “very pronounced Welsh flavour”?

We signed one Welsh player who many felt was a good signing and a back up Welsh keeper, which was needed. It hardly suggests that we will only focus on Welsh players or that the scout in question can only scout Welsh players (you’re guessing yourself at two Welsh options).

I don’t know anything about Lee Jones, but if he’s a decent scout and finds decent players, I don’t give two hoots if he looks in Wales or wherever.

I count 4 so far. We brought in Will Rickard, who has left the club, and we chased after Harry Wilson, but didn't sign him. I'm not complaining about the signings of Connor Roberts and Wayne Hennessey. Hennessey has played well and I feel a lot more comfortable with him as a deputy for Pope that Bailey Peacock-Farrell. If you look back at my threads you will notice that I predicted that we would sign Roberts over a year ago and we got him for a pretty good price.

However, when you factor in that apart from our Welsh targets the only other foreign player we have chased after is Cornet then I don't think that my pronouncement of a Welsh flair was entirely wide of the mark. We definitely don't seem to be on the ball and aware of all the foreign players that are available during the windows. Neither do we seem to able to identify cheap gems or have much intention of doing so. Our interest still seems to be focussed on well known players in the 10-15m price bracket.

Still, if we drop to the Championship all this talk of European scouting will be academic. I doubt that many of the players at the top division clubs will want to sign up with us and the lower leagues ( the leagues that house all of those cheap hidden gems ) are closed off to us because of Brexit.

We would have to re-sign our veteran players to expensive contracts ( in Championship terms ) which would eat into our parachute payments. Apart from those that jump ship and the ones we sell to service our substantial debt. We would then have to conduct a major squad rebuild focussing on expensive domestic talent bought from clubs who would be actively looking to price gouge us.

I think we would find out in the first window that recruitment is far more difficult in the Championship ( especially after Brexit ) than recruitment in the Premier League - unless you are making life difficult for yourselves by chasing after players who aren't available, don't want to join your team or aren't available for the price you are expecting to pay.

[ClaretPete001]

Let’s see what happens before criticising our recruitment. As far as I’m concerned, even if we go down, £25M is better invested on a couple of players with growth potential than Chris Wood. It’s the start of the rebuild. The new owners have done well so far, the summer showed some forward thinking and planning for the future. Selling a 30 year old striker in poor form for a record over 30 price is good business, now it’s about investing wisely. Give the owners at least a little time to pull off what they can.

I agree. In reality, I doubt whether ALK is going to invest 50 million quid per season or anything like it. The last time we went down Dyche had a team of seasoned Championship players - this time he will have an ageing squad that has been in the Premiership for 6 seasons.

I don't necessarily think selling Wood was good business nor intended but replacing him with a player who has scored 1 PL goal in the last 3 seasons is pointless. Better than nothing but only 0.02 per game better than nothing. Even if you went to 4-5-1 with Jay Rod or Lennon it would make more sense if it meant buying better players and adding value to the squad.

[KRBFC]

I enjoy Simon Jordan's opinion, his thoughts were it instantly screamed ''bank the cash from the Wood sale to pay off debts'', this is a huge window for ALK and will show us all their real intention. If we are selling players who were here before ALK, to pay ALK debts, we are truly in the mud.

[Spijed]

I enjoy Simon Jordan's opinion, his thoughts were it instantly screamed ''bank the cash from the Wood sale to pay off debts'', this is a huge window for ALK and will show us all their real intention. If we are selling players who were here before ALK, to pay ALK debts, we are truly in the mud.

The signing of Cornet does show however that they are willing to spend money, likewise Collins.

[frankinwales]

No need to be rude sir charge... If you review all my posts then you will not find me swearing at another Burnley fan.

I don't know how to quote a portion of a post.

UP THE CLARETS.

[KRBFC]

The signing of Cornet does show however that they are willing to spend money, likewise Collins.

The clubs money.... in instalments, that who knows if we'll be able to finance fully

[LaLigaClaret]

We needed a number of new players before losing Wood. I said on other posts that posters shouldn't be so euphoric over losing Wood and in response there was a load of nonsense spoken about being willing to drive him to Newcastle, that he was shite and all the rest of it. So then how all of them must feel now, are they so happy about the prospect of the injury prone, slow, old and totally past it Carroll that is not even good enough for the Championship being linked with us ? FFS what a pathetic travesty and a complete joke. Its surely a wind up.