January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[ElectroClaret]

Carroll to West Brom according to the ever reliable John Percy.

Having a medical there today or this weekend, according
to five live.

Can't say I'm heartbroken...

[Gordaleman]

Having a medical there today or this weekend, according
to five live.

Can't say I'm heartbroken...

Personally, I'm delighted. Our great disciplinary record wouldn't last long with that thug in the team.

[ClaretMov]

On paper McNeil, Cornet and Orsic all seem to be naturally left sided mid fielders. It will be interesting to see how they are utilised, assuming they all play at the same time, which surely they must. Im’m definitely not being negative at all by the way.

Cornet is a more naturally right sided midfielder

In a 4231 we could play

......................Pope

Roberts....Tarkowski....Mee....Taylor

............DM..................DM

Cornet..........McNeil..........Orsic

..................Weghorst

Or 4132

......................Pope

Roberts....Tarkowski....Mee....Taylor

.......................DM

Cornet.........McNeil........Orsic

........Weghorst......Vydra

It would be nice to get away from the set in stone 442

[JR1882]

Seen a report this morning that whilst Orsic is keen to join, Dinamo are having second thoughts about selling. Hope there’s nothing in this and it’s just a minor complication.

[claretandbluesky]

Interesting that their scoring record at international level drops away significantly. Neither in the age range we’d been expecting but certainly more likely to hit the ground running than youngsters and could be significant contributors to a quick return if we got relegated. In the short term probably astute signings if they go through. Maybe a hint that McNeil is off come the summer.

[Commy]

Agents fees will take some of the remaining money but, if there is any left, could it not go towards a decent CM loan?

[jedi_master]

Interesting that their scoring record at international level drops away significantly. Neither in the age range we’d been expecting but certainly more likely to hit the ground running than youngsters and could be significant contributors to a quick return if we got relegated. In the short term probably astute signings if they go through. Maybe a hint that McNeil is off come the summer.

I think they’re substitutes for their countries so get less minutes.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Could the top 6 clubs offer us players on loan to help relegate newcastle?

[claretandbluesky]

They both might be hard to get over the line with everything being out in the open.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Germany a "smaller nation than ours " ?

He’s Dutch. My post you replied to was about how glam it is to be living in Manchester, I don’t see a life in Holland and then in tiny Wolfsberg as a problem.

If he was from Rome or Madrid I would be more concerned for example.

[claretandbluesky]

We tend to forget Wood was a seasoned international with nearly a goal every other game at that level.

[mybloodisclaret]

If we are at the work permit stage, the deal will done and the contract signed, subject to work permit. Just a case of that being processed now and there shouldn’t be any issues there

If Weghorst was at Gawthorpe yesterday as suggested I'd imagine they were doing the photos and welcome video hopefully.

[Paul Waine]

Could the top 6 clubs offer us players on loan to help relegate newcastle?

Do you think ManU would loan Lingard to Burnley and pay us a "going down" bonus of £12.5 million if we beat Newcastle and send them down on the last day?

UTC

[Lancasterclaret]

Remember that Wood scored 10 plus Premier League goals for the past four seasons

Thats quite a challenge for a new striker

[Spijed]

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[daveisaclaret]

Could the top 6 clubs offer us players on loan to help relegate newcastle?

They've probably clocked on that sending loan players to sit on our bench won't benefit them or their players.

[claretonthecoast1882]

We tend to forget Wood was a seasoned international with nearly a goal every other game at that level.

scoring against the likes of Solomon Islands, Oman, Fiji, New Caledonia and Oman

Fair play using these kind of stats to enhance a negative stance you have on signings

[Burnley1989]

Interesting that their scoring record at international level drops away significantly. Neither in the age range we’d been expecting but certainly more likely to hit the ground running than youngsters and could be significant contributors to a quick return if we got relegated. In the short term probably astute signings if they go through. Maybe a hint that McNeil is off come the summer.

Glass half empty sir?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Do you think ManU would loan Lingard to Burnley and pay us a "going down" bonus of £12.5 million if we beat Newcastle and send them down on the last day?

UTC

I think they could offer us someone of the Barkley/Lingard type at a discounted rate in the hope it helps us relegate newcastle.

[Burnley1989]

Agents fees will take some of the remaining money but, if there is any left, could it not go towards a decent CM loan?

Agents take a % of the fee or signing on fee, it’s generally not an additional charge as such. In most cases the player pays the agent fee of the duration of his contract, very complex these days.

[burnley007]

Will we still be looking for more signings if these 2 happen today/tomorrow?
I'd like to think so.

[Spijed]

Weghorst certainly looks a better player than Wood.

[Paul Waine]

He’s Dutch. My post you replied to was about how glam it is to be living in Manchester, I don’t see a life in Holland and then in tiny Wolfsberg as a problem.

If he was from Rome or Madrid I would be more concerned for example.

I know a guy from the north west who moved to Netherlands and couldn't stand it there. He said he missed the hills, there were no hills in Netherlands and everything was flat.

Do you think it could be the same in reverse, a Dutch guy might dislike the hills around Burnley and long for his life back in Netherlands in the flatness of the poldars?

Great to see "levelling up" is gaining traction; describing "how glam it is to be living in Manchester." What do you think of Amsterdam, exotic?

UTC

[RVclaret]

I think they could offer us someone of the Barkley/Lingard type at a discounted rate in the hope it helps us relegate newcastle.

It’s a fair point. Have they got any central midfielders they can lend us?

[Iloveyoubrady]

Come on, weghorst has better stats than Wood and looks a vastly better footballer. Hopefully he does it in the prem but you can guarantee he’ll do better than Wood has this season.

Using the international thing, Wood wouldn’t have got near the Dutch side in his whole career.

These are two exciting signings that give us a lot more hope to stay up than keeping Wood would have. Also, despite being 29, they should both have a few years left in them to drag us out of the championship.

[Pearcey]

Remember that Wood scored 10 plus Premier League goals for the past four seasons

Thats quite a challenge for a new striker

You can’t be seen to be sticking up for Wood you know! Hopefully Weghorst can transfer his goal scoring from the Bundesliga. I like the look of him on the videos. Fingers crossed.

[Pearcey]

Weghorst has better stats in an inferior league. Hopefully he’ll match those stats for us if he comes.

[Iloveyoubrady]

Weghorst has better stats in an inferior league. Hopefully he’ll match those stats for us if he comes.

Yes but they are very impressive in a league which is still a very good standard. 20 bundesliga goals last season, 35 goal involvements...

[Pearcey]

Yes but they are very impressive in a league which is still a very good standard. 20 bundesliga goals last season, 35 goal involvements...

Absolutely and I’m very excited at the prospect of him coming.

[RicardoMontalban]

Personally, I'm delighted. Our great disciplinary record wouldn't last long with that thug in the team.

See this said a lot, but I don’t think Carroll’s disciplinary record is anything to get worked up about. Obviously we all saw him lose his head at the turf but as far as I can find he’s only had 3 red cards in his entire career. Hardly Arsenal worthy.

I’m just glad we’re signing someone that appears to be significantly better than him.

[spt_claret]

I follow quite a lot of overseas football, I was extremely excited back when we were linked with Defour, struck me as a real step up.
Orsic I don't know bags about but certainly seems an exciting if mildly short term fix.
The Seferovic loan looks unlikely to me but would be a very good signing. He has impressed me every time I've seen him especially at international level.
Weghorst would be a coup. He was my dark horse pick for Euros golden boot, underwhelmed in the end but the Dutch side is still rebuilding, he is a superb player. Despite his size he is much more technically gifted than Wood, I would almost consider him a poor man's Zlatan. Would be delighted with him.
Even just signing Weghorst and Orsic would have a real spread of formation options, 442, 4321, 4441, 433, all with the same XI on the pitch. To the people saying "but he's out of position", positional rigidity is not a prerequisite for any team or player. Dyche has employed unusual positional setups before despite his tendency for 442- Arfield was more a mezzola (half-wide) than out and out wide man, and we switched to 433 late Vs Chelsea to great success.

I've been very critical of Pace, and still think we desperately need at least one centre midfielder ideally two (and Dyche clearly knows this too) but if these deals come off I will be delighted to retract a large number of my reservations about the financial aspects at the club.

[Quickenthetempo]

Remember that Wood scored 10 plus Premier League goals for the past four seasons

Thats quite a challenge for a new striker

With nearly half a season gone I would suggest 7 goals from our new striker (this season ), would replace Wood at his best and if he gets 3 then he has mirrored this season.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

I follow quite a lot of overseas football, I was extremely excited back when we were linked with Defour, struck me as a real step up.
Orsic I don't know bags about but certainly seems an exciting if mildly short term fix.
The Seferovic loan looks unlikely to me but would be a very good signing. He has impressed me every time I've seen him especially at international level.
Weghorst would be a coup. He was my dark horse pick for Euros golden boot, underwhelmed in the end but the Dutch side is still rebuilding, he is a superb player. Despite his size he is much more technically gifted than Wood, I would almost consider him a poor man's Zlatan. Would be delighted with him.
Even just signing Weghorst and Orsic would have a real spread of formation options, 442, 4321, 4441, 433, all with the same XI on the pitch. To the people saying "but he's out of position", positional rigidity is not a prerequisite for any team or player. Dyche has employed unusual positional setups before despite his tendency for 442- Arfield was more a mezzola (half-wide) than out and out wide man, and we switched to 433 late Vs Chelsea to great success.

I've been very critical of Pace, and still think we desperately need at least one centre midfielder ideally two (and Dyche clearly knows this too) but if these deals come off I will be delighted to retract a large number of my reservations about the financial aspects at the club.

Great post

[ClaretTony]

I don't know if I've missed something or I'm being a bit slow but how come we are linked with most of our targets from abroad, what's changed, have we new scouts. I know the better bargains are from out of England with fee's and wages compared to players even in the championship and I'm 100 percent not complaining its fantastic, but it's not what we've done In all the year's we've played in the premier league, how are we finding these player's like Cornet now, long may it continue.

Cornet is interesting in that Chris Brass revealed recently in an interview that we were monitoring him (Cornet) when he (Brass) was scouting at Burnley. But Dyche has said many times that the previous board (chairman) were reluctant to use the European market.

[wilks_bfc]

See this said a lot, but I don’t think Carroll’s disciplinary record is anything to get worked up about. Obviously we all saw him lose his head at the turf but as far as I can find he’s only had 3 red cards in his entire career. Hardly Arsenal worthy.

I’m just glad we’re signing someone that appears to be significantly better than him.

It’s the same mentality that opposing fans have of our players being “thugs” due to their players being on the end of physical but fair tackles

[KRBFC]

Pope
Roberts Collins Mee Taylor
Mcneil Fofana Ramsey Orsic
Cornet Weghorst


Looks pretty good to me

[PadihamThickNeck]

Thought he had lost his eyesight for a moment.

[PadihamThickNeck]

Like the look of that team though.

[KRBFC]

It’s the same mentality that opposing fans have of our players being “thugs” due to their players being on the end of physical but fair tackles

fair tackles from our players is a little different than Andy Carroll swinging his elbows around.... not what I would call fair challenges.

[ClaretPete001]

Interesting to debate with some caveats..

Firstly, it's not Alan Pace's vision it is a lot of media speculation. By all accounts the Wood sale came as a shock and I guess much of this is being paid for by the Wood sale so it's probably more of a knee jerk reaction than a vision. Secondly the media is yet again reporting on the financial problems at Burnley should we get relegated and that is related to Alan Pace's vision, thirdly anything looks good on a football forum if you squint hard enough and finally you only have to wait until Monday to know the reality of the situation.

[Lancasterclaret]

With nearly half a season gone I would suggest 7 goals from our new striker (this season ), would replace Wood at his best and if he gets 3 then he has mirrored this season.

Oh no doubt

Be well impressed if he gets seven in the games we have left tbh

[bobinho]

Yeah, but ten goals man!!! TEN GOALS!!!!

Look, Wood has gone. At the money mentioned, it’s a marvellous deal, absolutely marvellous. Had it been £7m, I’d be annoyed, but it was £27m and that is simply outrageous. Even Andy Carroll until the end of the season would have been an upgrade on the Chris Wood we sold for £27. He HAD been a good goal scorer, and he HAD been a good outlet, but not anymore. Going on about ‘ten goal’ Chris Wood is akin to talking about Billy Hamilton’s 10+ in ‘82. Neither are capable of that anymore.

Had he still been here, I’d be advocating a period of rest for Wood, as him playing like he had been (and has so far continued to do for Newcastle) was like us starting a game with 10 men. Not only wasn’t he scoring, he wasn’t doing anything else either. Wood has gone and Wood is done. Wood is in the past and his stats are as irrelevant today as King Billy’s.

It’s what happens next that is important. If weghorst comes in and only gets 8 next season will we be calling it a failure? I sincerely hope not.

[wilks_bfc]

fair tackles from our players is a little different than Andy Carroll swinging his elbows around.... not what I would call fair challenges.

That’s not the point I’m making

People are saying he has a bad disciplinary record.
He’s had 2 red cards in his career, 1 of which was against us.

If he hadn’t had that red card against us, there wouldn’t have been half as many comments of his perceived bad record as there have been

[Lancasterclaret]

Yeah, but ten goals man!!! TEN GOALS!!!!

Look, Wood has gone. At the money mentioned, it’s a marvellous deal, absolutely marvellous. Had it been £7m, I’d be annoyed, but it was £27m and that is simply outrageous. Even Andy Carroll until the end of the season would have been an upgrade on the Chris Wood we sold for £27. He HAD been a good goal scorer, and he HAD been a good outlet, but not anymore. Going on about ‘ten goal’ Chris Wood is akin to talking about Billy Hamilton’s 10+ in ‘82. Neither are capable of that anymore.

Had he still been here, I’d be advocating a period of rest for Wood, as him playing like he had been (and has so far continued to do for Newcastle) was like us starting a game with 10 men. Not only wasn’t he scoring, he wasn’t doing anything else either. Wood has gone and Wood is done. Wood is in the past and his stats are as irrelevant today as King Billy’s.

It’s what happens next that is important. If weghorst comes in and only gets 8 next season will we be calling it a failure? I sincerely hope not.

Yes, but the standard we have to replace is 10 plus goals

Take those goals away and we go down

I agree with the £25-£27 million being a good deal for us, but now we have to see if we can actually replace his goals

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Yeah, but ten goals man!!! TEN GOALS!!!!

Look, Wood has gone. At the money mentioned, it’s a marvellous deal, absolutely marvellous. Had it been £7m, I’d be annoyed, but it was £27m and that is simply outrageous. Even Andy Carroll until the end of the season would have been an upgrade on the Chris Wood we sold for £27. He HAD been a good goal scorer, and he HAD been a good outlet, but not anymore. Going on about ‘ten goal’ Chris Wood is akin to talking about Billy Hamilton’s 10+ in ‘82. Neither are capable of that anymore.

Had he still been here, I’d be advocating a period of rest for Wood, as him playing like he had been (and has so far continued to do for Newcastle) was like us starting a game with 10 men. Not only wasn’t he scoring, he wasn’t doing anything else either. Wood has gone and Wood is done. Wood is in the past and his stats are as irrelevant today as King Billy’s.

It’s what happens next that is important. If weghorst comes in and only gets 8 next season will we be calling it a failure? I sincerely hope not.

Second time in a night! Great post.

[dibraidio]

IF both signings come through, I would be VERY surprised if Dyche starts the Watford game with Orsic, Cornet and Weghorst in the starting XI. I can imagine him starting with Cornet and Weghorn who apparently already defends from the front and is used to pressing defenders, with Orsic coming on in the second half to replace Cornet who Dyche has repeatedly said is still not up to speed with the physical requirements of the Premier League.

I can't see him starting Orsic at left wing as some have suggested because of the defensive responsibilities that he expects from his wingers and we know it takes time for new players to learn and adapt to the framework. I can't see SD taking the risk in such a vital game.

Having those three players in the squad really is an exciting prospect, hopefully their presence will take some of the pressure off Dwight and he'll be able to rediscover the attacking side of his game.

[NewClaret]

Yes, but the standard we have to replace is 10 plus goals

Take those goals away and we go down

I agree with the £25-£27 million being a good deal for us, but now we have to see if we can actually replace his goals

Not necessarily from one player. Our issue in the past is that we’ve been far too reliant on Wood for goals - very little from anywhere else.

Including Cornet we’ve replaced him with three internationals with goal scoring pedigree, and in Cornets case he’s already proven to score more goals per game than Wood.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Interesting to debate with some caveats..

Firstly, it's not Alan Pace's vision it is a lot of media speculation. By all accounts the Wood sale came as a shock and I guess much of this is being paid for by the Wood sale so it's probably more of a knee jerk reaction than a vision. Secondly the media is yet again reporting on the financial problems at Burnley should we get relegated and that is related to Alan Pace's vision, thirdly anything looks good on a football forum if you squint hard enough and finally you only have to wait until Monday to know the reality of the situation.

So. Analogy. I have a VW GTI MK V from 2008.it’s a turbo and isn’t as great as it once was. Someone comes in offers me 8 Grand because it’s a car and loved by racers. Cars worth 5 Grand maybe. With that 8 grand, I buy a steady Camry, a basic truck, and a starter car for my daughter.

You’re telling me this is a bad deal?

[Selby Claret]

Top goalscorers last season:
Wood 12
Barnes 3

Top goalscorers this season so far:
Cornet 6
Wood 3

Strikes me that Wood's replacement for goals only has six to get for us to be on a par with last year

[Rowls]

In every crisis there is opportunity.

The Wood sale was indeed a crisis in that it was not in our plans.

But we may come out of it in better shape than we were before.