January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[Newcastleclaret93]

I don't particularly want a discussion with you but for now here goes. We are bottom, no denying and I think we all know that. However the season is usually decided when equal number of games are played. Additionally , I will make judgement when the transfer window is closed. I can stamp my feet and moan like hell, but it won't make any difference to something I can't directly influence.

So you would rather moan at a poster you don’t know on a message board than show your displeasure at our poor transfer business?

This was one of the most important transfer windows of our recent history. The club have failed if we just sign a replacement striker.

[agreenwood]

The club deserve to be beaten. How can we be 48 hours from the window closing and it’s apparent we are not going to strengthen the worst team in the league?

On the flip side, we all know you secretly enjoy our transfer struggles. You’re the first to post about our failings and highlight other clubs signing players. It’d ruin your modus operandi if we had a good window.

[ClaretAL]

Lingard...

https://weallfollowunited.com/2022/01/2 ... e-man-utd/

[RVclaret]

Let’s judge on Feb 1st but I agree with others that if we only sign a replacement striker the window has been a failure no matter which way you want to dress it up.

[LTUK89]

Nixon saying we’re in for Lansbury, done deal.

[Newcastleclaret93]

On the flip side, we all know you secretly enjoy our transfer struggles. You’re the first to post about our failings and highlight other clubs signing players. It’d ruin your modus operandi if we had a good window.

I am also one of the first to post links from Twitter etc…

Maybe just maybe I am posting about transfers on a transfer discussion thread. It’s just unfortunate we fail more than we succeed.

[Wokingclaret]

This is what I said about 10 pages back. As a club you have to expect some deals will fall through. It's acceptable, especially for a club like ours, and in our present position.

The time to be critical is if there are no backups lined up instead, as has been the case in previous years.

At least we're trying to sign quality players, there's no way the previous ownership would have even tried to sign Orisic.

Not knocking but just may be that last line is part of the problem, we didn't need world beaters, we needed better than what we have we have now! i.e better than Cork, better than Guddy, better than Woody. But so far in the last how many windows, only 1 player has actually improved the starting 11.

[Jakubclaret]

So you would rather moan at a poster you don’t know on a message board than show your displeasure at our poor transfer business?

This was one of the most important transfer windows of our recent history. The club have failed if we just sign a replacement striker.

“Replacement striker” you’ve got more faith in me we’ll even do that 1 it wouldn’t surprise me if the window shut empty.

[Conroy92]

It strikes me that if DZ had pulled the rug from under Orsic then he'd most likely be downing tools and forcing the move through.
The fact he isn't suggests to me that the player has changed his mind on coming/was never interested in the first place.
Still hoping this is all a ploy so he plays tomorrow and we come back with a "new offer". Would appease there fans perhaps and equally make us look look like we've pulled out all the stops. Still looks very unlikely.
Let's get WW over the line and concentrate on a CM.

[ClaretAL]

Wow we got some real empty heads on here tonight

[quoonbeatz]

The club deserve to be beaten. How can we be 48 hours from the window closing and it’s apparent we are not going to strengthen the worst team in the league?

Lol

[tiger76]

I am also one of the first to post links from Twitter etc…

Maybe just maybe I am posting about transfers on a transfer discussion thread. It’s just unfortunate we fail more than we succeed.

Maybe we fail because we're chasing higher profile targets, and they'll always be harder to get over the line.

Still a couple of days left yet, so while we have time we still retain hope, at least I still retain hope anyway even if that's folly.

[fatboy47]

I think it's too early for the knockers to be out.

Over 2 days yet.. Lots can happen

[boatshed bill]

“Replacement striker” you’ve got more faith in me we’ll even do that 1 it wouldn’t surprise me if the window shut empty.

I believe I am right (quoting CT) that we have our new target man subject to a medical.

[Wokingclaret]

I think it's too early for the knockers to be out.

Come back at midnight

[quoonbeatz]

I think it's too early for the knockers to be out.

Over 2 days yet.. Lots can happen

Tbf the same biffs have been out all month.

[Tall Paul]

Wow we got some real empty heads on here tonight

Tonight?

[jedi_master]

I think it's too early for the knockers to be out.

Over 2 days yet.. Lots can happen

Absolutely.

We can’t judge a thing till it ‘slams’ shut.

[Silkyskills1]

Little or no urgency? We’ve been working flat out to try to bring players in. We might not have succeeded as yet but no way am I having it that there has been any lack of urgency.

Maybe I could have worded it better. The right wing( right side of midfield) position has been crying out for attention long before this transfer window. We've 'made do' until Gudmundsson got back to playing regularly. Then it became glaringly obvious that this Gudmundsson appeared to be an imposter; surely he used to be better than this. Meanwhile we've slid to bottom of the league with no apparent player ready to fill that position. I'm not looking for argument/confrontation as certain posters do, I'm just offering the opinion of an ordinary, regular attending fan. Of course we are all frustrated at recent developments but I am still believing that all is not lost yet. I have to.!

[Newcastleclaret93]

Tbf the same biffs have been out all month.

Resorting to name calling. A proper fan

[bfcjg]

I think it's too early for the knockers to be out.

Over 2 days yet.. Lots can happen

Did you watch a lot of Carry on films ?

[Rowls]

I think it's too early for the knockers to be out.

Over 2 days yet.. Lots can happen

(.)(.)

[Guller Bull]

Linked with a player called Helm-Creative deep midfielder from a Premiership Club youth set up. No Fee - Increased wages but incrementally minimal outlay.

[DCWat]

Absolutely.

We can’t judge a thing till it ‘slams’ shut.

We’ve heard that one somewhere, once or twice before.

[Vegas Claret]

Linked with a player called Helm-Creative deep midfielder from a Premiership Club youth set up. No Fee - Increased wages but incrementally minimal outlay.

we signed Helm from Man Utd in the summer

[Roosterbooster]

Ok
I am staying positive.
One will be confirmed by page 98 and one on page 104

I thought this was a but negative yesterday

Now I'm worried we might get to page 198

Or even 19/8!!!!

I'm not blaming Pace at all. But these markets are insanely difficult to manage

[quoonbeatz]

Resorting to name calling. A proper fan

Lol.

[Guller Bull]

we signed Helm from Man Utd in the summer

Ooooh did we?

Perhaps we could play him then?

[beddie]

What’s the reason for Orsic not coming? Anyone know.

[Colburn_Claret]

No we still needed two strikers even supposing we get Weghorst as what would be the plan if w=he got injured. I thought it was generally agreed we needed a striker before we sold Wood and after selling him we need two.

In an ideal world I'd agree with you, but this is the real world. What's the point of getting 1,2 or 3 strikers, if we have no one to set them up with chances. We need a supply line far more urgently, and just keep our fingers crossed that WW avoids injury.
We aren't going to get another striker, a RW and a CM, we just don't have the money to chuck at it this late in the window. If we have to put all our eggs in one basket, then a CM or a RW are far more important.

[ksrclaret]

Ooooh did we?

Perhaps we could play him then?

One does not simply play a young player.

[Jimscho]

What’s the reason for Orsic not coming? Anyone know.

Yes he read this forum.

[ksrclaret]

Yes he read this forum.

Shame if true. If the “biffs” vs the “throbbers” wasn’t to his liking then we’re better off without him. Dodged a bullet IMO.

[Guller Bull]

One does not simply play a young player.

I know! - Foolish beyond the extreme!

Better to let these players move on from the DEVELOPMENT squad and sign aging but trusted injury prone pro's

[minnieclaret]

I assume Daryl Dike's dream move was West Brom then, or the players Watford have signed. What you said made zero logical sense given we signed Collins very early in the summer.

In Collins, as with Brownhill, you have a young player progressing their career and happy to take our offer. With seasoned internationals it’s a bit more difficult.

[clarethomer]

What’s the reason for Orsic not coming? Anyone know.

I’m not sure anyone knows for sure other than the player himself.

Theories/reported reasons include

- the amount to pay was agreed, but the method of payment wasn’t - I.e. upfront v instalments

- the club wanted him to play in this weekends clash as it’s too 2 teams playing.

- the player was reported to be happy to come to us and play championship games if we got relegated but then reports of him saying he didn’t think a 4-4-2 formation would suit him.

- the club was happy to let him go but the player had a change of mind.

- the ultras have got into him.

- the club have offered him a deal to keep him

Whatever it is- it doesn’t seem to be BFCs fault unless you listen to some of the usual critics of the club.

[Hedontplayforyou]

I’ve heard from a few people that he received death threats aimed at his child/children, which if true is absolutely disgusting .

[Culmclaret]

If we do get only Weghorst I guess we will have a new plan A. Hoof into far right corner, win throw, Roberts takes throw, Weghorst nods in: simples

[TheFamilyCat]

I’ve heard from a few people that he received death threats aimed at his child/children, which if true is absolutely disgusting .

The only person you could really hear that from is Orsic himself.

I think what you mean is that it's been wildly speculated that he's received death threats.

[HahaYeah]

Is it not possible that his club simply didn't want to sell him at this time?

[LaLigaClaret]

In an ideal world I'd agree with you, but this is the real world. What's the point of getting 1,2 or 3 strikers, if we have no one to set them up with chances. We need a supply line far more urgently, and just keep our fingers crossed that WW avoids injury.
We aren't going to get another striker, a RW and a CM, we just don't have the money to chuck at it this late in the window. If we have to put all our eggs in one basket, then a CM or a RW are far more important.

Yes this is the real world and right now the real world says we have strikers who couldn't find the net if they were tied to it. The injured Vydra, the not match fit Barnes and the misfiring JayRod are all hopelessly out of form. We lost Wood and his replacement is hopefully WW. Players who we were linked with such as Orsic, Fofana, Fulgini etc are all players capable of playing as a number ten, second striker or a winger. All were capable goal scorers. Players like Ramsay and the above are all a level above what we currently have and all capable of supplying chances along with Cornet. If WW got injured then we would be in a very difficult situation without having players of the calibre that I mentioned. The CM. RW and two strikers that are needed are out there and at prices we can afford especially if we can get someone in on loan. We are not chucking money at it and we don't have to put all our eggs in one basket. The bids for the three I mentioned earlier were around £31m based on reports. WW is around a reported £12m. Of course these figures could be wrong but we did receive £25m for Wood and there was supposed to be more funds available in addition to those. We could have sold Tarks and released some players who were out of contract. We might have tried selling Cork ang got some money from a Championship side. We are bottom, lost Wood and this is a very important window for us. Even bidding for Knight or Lawrence at Derby would have improved our squad and in the mess Derby are in then modest bids would surely have had a chance of getting them in.

[superdimitri]

Not knocking but just may be that last line is part of the problem, we didn't need world beaters, we needed better than what we have we have now! i.e better than Cork, better than Guddy, better than Woody. But so far in the last how many windows, only 1 player has actually improved the starting 11.

To be fair the issue last season was more injuries than quality. What saved us was Wood getting some form in the second part of the season.
I think you're right though, we needed more quality coming in. Players like Brownhill work hard and offer quite a bit defensively but don't really help us with our lack of creativity going forward.

[ervi34]

I’ve heard from a few people that he received death threats aimed at his child/children, which if true is absolutely disgusting .

That's not true. Jesus...

[Guller Bull]

That's not true. Jesus...

Have you got a handle on what is the truth that you are willing to share?

[Boss Hogg]

2 days to go but it shouldn’t really have got to this. If the team isn’t stronger by the close of the window than the start of it then judge then. That would be failure no matter how hard we’ve tried or how it’s dressed up. I’m sure the club are pulling out all stops though to deliver the signings we need.

[spt_claret]

The only person you could really hear that from is Orsic himself.

I think what you mean is that it's been wildly speculated that he's received death threats.

My gut feeling leaned towards this as soon as it was reported there were ultras outside his house.
Call me cynical but with rentamob businesses like Crowds On Demand, and the sheer number of dodgy owners and dirty deals in big money clubs these days, no amount of corruption or intimidation would surprise me.

Weghorst does represent a significant upgrade on Wood in my view (albeit PL unproven as of yet), but swapping a proven scorer for an ostensibly better player is still a pretty poor window all in all when we have 2 strikers injured, 1 out of form and 1 who's a winger really leaving us little cover. If we had Weghorst and still had Wood, that's more encouraging (out of form or not Wood can get goals, he went on a tear late last season). But that still would lack crucial midfield strengthening.

I think even if unrealistic it is not unreasonable for a 1 win team at the bottom of the league to want 1-2 CMs, a winger/attacking mid and 1-2 strikers even in the tough January window. All 5 is beyond us but a few days ago 3 seemed possible and exactly what we need.

There's a lot of negative posters out for attention or having a pop, but insipid positivity and uncritical "theyre doing their best" is as bad as being impossible to please. There's been some deeply odd takes like fans not being allowed to have any expectations. The previous board didn't get judged on trying their best, nor should they, and nor should this. It's a tight end position now and results are all that matter.

I'm hopeful but far from optimistic now. I'd love to be wrong- and that's the other problem. Too many posters are more interested in being right about the club's competence and willingness or lack thereof in the market, than about the best outcome. If we pull off the deals we need the moaners should walk it all back, if all we get is Weghorst then as much as I rate him I don't know that it's enough and the blind faith posters will be hard pressed to explain. Either way focus on rallying round the team rather than winning a debate on a bloody message board.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Got back from golf and noticed another 250 posts, got excited but it seems just people have got some kind of spread bet on to get to 105 pages before 7pm.

We need WW and one other by Monday evening. I’ll judge then. But much has been said about the owners (most of it by neutral financial football reporters) yet all I have seen so far is a bolder approach to transfers which may or may not work but in the interim may give us some excitement. I’m not criticising that. Far better than the last lot fattening up the turkey then eating it themselves so the turkey disappears. Let’s see what they come up with.

[Aclaret]

Weghorst & Billy Sharp up front...job sorted.
WW winning the headers to Sharp in the 6 yard box...goal every time.

[ervi34]

Have you got a handle on what is the truth that you are willing to share?

Don't know why the deal feel through, but neither Orsic or his family were threatened. First of all, people who believe that are overestimating the power of Dinamo fans. Dinamo have already sold one local boy (Majer) earlier this season and there was no problem with that. The message they left was not violent by any means, it basically said "Don't go, PLEASE stay". Maybe he changed his decision because of that because he supports Dinamo and is their star, but there were no death threats. Don't believe everything you read on Twitter, especially info based on stereotypes of Eastern Europe.

[BabylonClaret]

Tbf the same biffs have been out all month.

Biffs!