Pace Out?

[burnley007]

Everyone said give them time. I have. The club is a mess. Our squad is a joke. Any team that has Aaron Lennon as 1st team regular deserves to be relegated.

No more BS Pace. No more.

[claretonthecoast1882]

We are at home Saturday get a protest sorted, if you include Dyche out there are few more on here who will join you.

Could walk down Brunshaw Rd at 5pm Saturday with messages on bedsheets and chants going.

[jedi_master]

Certainly has lost the lions share of support of fans in an exceedingly quick amount of time.

I think there is a lot of truth in the stuff being said in the papers regarding our finances, and this could unravel for him and for us quite quickly if we are relegated. No amount of LED screens, painted turnstiles, professional womens teams and Vizeh co-lab's will make up for it if we lose everything Dyche has built due to a chancer taking us for a ride.

Let us pray this squad and manager somehow keep us up.

[Jakubclaret]

I would like pace to agree to speak to Simon Jordan, I don’t understand why he won’t.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Yes pace out.

We are heading the route of Wigan, Derby, Bolton under this ownership.

The happy clappers won’t say anything until the buckets are out trying to save the club.

[Lancasterclaret]

Loads of owners out there mate

Loads

[burnley007]

Everything Dyche built is crumbling away to dust, the lack of support he has had from the club over the last few years is disgusting. I wouldn't blame him if/when he just walks away.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Yes pace out.

We are heading the route of Wigan, Derby, Bolton under this ownership.

The happy clappers won’t say anything until the buckets are out trying to save the club.

Has our wage bill suddenly started to exceed our income?
Dammit.

[burnley007]

Has our wage bill suddenly started to exceed our income?
Dammit.

After relegation presumably.

[evensteadiereddie]

[SalouClaret]

I would like pace to agree to speak to Simon Jordan, I don’t understand why he won’t.

Ah yes, speaking to Simon Jordan is what all football club owners aspire to do in their spare time.

[Grimsdale]

[daveisaclaret]

The takeover instantly made the club much, much less appealing to buy. And before the takeover the only actual suitors were ALK and their leveraged buyout.

People will realise in their own time just how awful a situation this is for BFC but short of a decision to walk away upon relegation there is absolutely no chance of getting Pace out in any manner other than accelerating our decline.

[Newcastleclaret93]

You are lucky you didn't get banned for good on here after your libellous comment last night, be nice if someone took screenshots and sent them to the correct people.

I have gone through my comments what is libellous? I have said what many other posters have said.

[Newcastleclaret93]

It has been deleted, the fact you think what you posted about Pace wasn't libellous means you should probably not use the internet for anything but reading

I haven’t deleted any posts and I’m almost certain the mods haven’t?

What did it say?

[claretonthecoast1882]

I haven’t deleted any posts and I’m almost certain the mods haven’t?

What did it say?

It has been deleted by a moderator and rightly so

[Newcastleclaret93]

It has been deleted by a moderator and rightly so

What did it say because it certainly wasn’t my post

[Jakubclaret]

Ah yes, speaking to Simon Jordan is what all football club owners aspire to do in their spare time.

It’d certainly answer some questions about the direction of the ownership model.

[Funkydrummer]

Good god above, I think I'll just slash my wrists now and have done with it all.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Everyone said give them time. I have. The club is a mess. Our squad is a joke. Any team that has Aaron Lennon as 1st team regular deserves to be relegated.

No more BS Pace. No more.

Lennon isn't a first team regular last I checked, not with 355 mins played in the PL for us this season anyway

The club was a mess before the takeover

[GodIsADeeJay81]

After relegation presumably.

We have relegation clauses

[Jimscho]

I haven’t deleted any posts and I’m almost certain the mods haven’t?

What did it say?

You said Pace had pocketed the profit from the Wood sale.

[BurnleyFC]

There’s no smoke without fire with regards to the media reports on our finances and we’re still waiting for them to put our minds at ease about how the takeover was structured.

‘The supporters will be very happy about how it was done’ or words to that effect were used, weren’t they?

[Funkydrummer]

‘The supporters will be very happy about how it was done’ or words to that effect were used, weren’t they?

Well, one supposed supporter certainly was !!!!!

[arise_sir_charge]

Everything Dyche built is crumbling away to dust, the lack of support he has had from the club over the last few years is disgusting. I wouldn't blame him if/when he just walks away.

I wish he would, I’m more convinced than ever that he’s one of the major factors in our inability to recruit.

[Boss Hogg]

Whilst this window has been a failure yet again I don’t think anyone can doubt Pace has positive intentions and certainly seems a decent man. Having said that if you talk the talk you need to walk the walk. In the UK actions speak very much louder than words whereas I’m of the opinion in the US they love hype. Pace won’t be going anywhere unless we are have been in the Championship for a few years and the parachute payments have run out or we remain a PL club with much better revenue streams and we are more attractive on the pitch. The latter makes us more attractive to a buyer and profitable for ALK but at the moment it looks like the former is more likely. The latter will probably leave the club in great peril and debt whilst ALK walk away a bit bruised.

[Pearcey]

So, we’ll end up like Wigan etc under these owners but at the same time berrate them for not shelling out more and more money on players. In fact, they have been grossly negligent.

[Zlatan]

Alexa - show me a thread on my favourite football team forum that is a reason why I don't frequent it as much as I used to...

[Burnley1989]

I wish he would, I’m more convinced than ever that he’s one of the major factors in our inability to recruit.

I’ve spoken to agents previously who said they avoid Burnley like the plague, one reason is they can’t squeeze money out of us which I was pleased about, you can however see why over time we will struggle to be attractive to players and agents. I’m at least pleased we seem to be looking abroad now for players

[Colburn_Claret]

I'm all for free speech, opinions are opinions after all, but do we have to listen to this verbal diahorrea.

Coming on this message board gets harder and harder, it's bed wetting nonsense, it's my ball and I'm going home, chuck the toys out of the pram time. Some of the comments on the transfer thread, and this thread topic is embarrassing. I just thank God we didn't have to rely on these so called fans in times of hardship. Who would want to climb out of the trenches with one of these gutless wonders alongside them.


PLEASE, just go and support (thats a joke in itself) someone else. I'm sure UTD or City would welcome you, cry on their shoulders. Seek attention in their many message boards, but leave this club, and this board for real fans. Fans who back their club and don't start crying if things don't go their way. Through thick and thin.
Nobody is happy we didn't get a RW or CM, nobody, but AP as shown by his airmiles has done his best. Circumstances **** on us with the late collapse for Orsic, and fate deemed that Ramsey would rather have an easy life in Glasgow, than work for his money down here.
That's life it's over, so either get behind the team or sod off and stop infesting this board.

[agreenwood]

So, we’ll end up like Wigan etc under these owners but at the same time berrate them for not shelling out more and more money on players. In fact, they have been grossly negligent.

Exactly this. The same supporters who say we’re heading for financial ruin are the ones who would not be posting on this thread if we’d spent £50m yesterday.

The disappointing transfer window left the door ajar and now the lunatics and loose in the asylum.

[JR1882]

Everything Dyche built is crumbling away to dust, the lack of support he has had from the club over the last few years is disgusting. I wouldn't blame him if/when he just walks away.

I feel exactly the same but he won’t help himself. There is no doubt that his style, tactics, inflexibility, and lack of desire to give players a change, will stop people wanting to come here.

[daveisaclaret]

I'm all for free speech, opinions are opinions after all, but do we have to listen to this verbal diahorrea.

No, you don't. You're choosing to.

[Papabendi]

I would like pace to agree to speak to Simon Jordan, I don’t understand why he won’t.

for advice?

[Hedontplayforyou]

To speak to Jordan about what exactly? On how to run a club to near extinction? I thought that’s what you wanted to avoid?

[Jakubclaret]

for advice?

Regarding relegation & sustainability & the dream that got sold.

[Goalposts]

Got to applaud the fishing attempt

[jedi_master]

Exactly this. The same supporters who say we’re heading for financial ruin are the ones who would not be posting on this thread if we’d spent £50m yesterday.

The disappointing transfer window left the door ajar and now the lunatics and loose in the asylum.

Incorrect there, I didn’t want us spending any money this window. I wanted loans for the exact reasons specified. No risk, high gain.

Spending more money we don’t have is the last thing I wanted us to do.

[Sozturf7]

I think CT will be wondering why he bothers to put work into this site, with some of the crazy people that post on this site. One more signing, which had not bad luck prevented would have looked like reasonably good work. One win at the weekend and this site will look different once again.

[Billy Balfour]

I wonder how many of the 'Pace Out' and 'Dyche Out' crowd (on here) go on the Turf? Not many, is my guess. You only have to look at their time stamp (on their posts while we are playing) to realise this. And yes, of course you can post on your phone while actually being there, but given the amount of posts they make, they can't spend much time looking at what's going on at pitch level, that's if they really are there, which I doubt.

[evensteadiereddie]

Aye but they have "principles", you see and they must come first.....

[claretandbluesky]

We got three good players in during the summer. Once they are all playing we will be a better side.

[Belial]

I wonder how many of the 'Pace Out' and 'Dyche Out' crowd (on here) go on the Turf? Not many, is my guess. You only have to look at their time stamp (on their posts while we are playing) to realise this. And yes, of course you can post on your phone while actually being there, but given the amount of posts they make, they can't spend much time looking at what's going on at pitch level, that's if they really are there, which I doubt.

Judging by the odd time I've tried to go on bet 365 whilst on the turf and can't even get the internet to load, I'd say there's a fair chance that anyone regularly posting during a game isn't actually there

[Boss Hogg]

Whilst Jordan is a great pundit IMO and offers a different angle I don’t see why Pace should have to answer to him / talk to him.

[MT03ALG]

Initially I would PACE OUT the pitch to ensure it is the correct size for our new striker

[ClaretPete001]

Incorrect there, I didn’t want us spending any money this window. I wanted loans for the exact reasons specified. No risk, high gain.

Spending more money we don’t have is the last thing I wanted us to do.

Both wrong because loans generate no future value.

I think quite a few live in a bygone era when brass was brass and if you didn't have it you didn't spend it.

The problem we have is exactly the opposite of that at Wigan and its caused by not spending money on playing assets.

Now we have to spend it to feed the debt. It's not irresponsible it's the inevitable consequence of a leveraged buyout.

[randomclaret2]

Say what you like about Mr Pace, but he talks a great game

[BleedingClaret]

Everyone said give them time. I have. The club is a mess. Our squad is a joke. Any team that has Aaron Lennon as 1st team regular deserves to be relegated.

No more BS Pace. No more.

I don't like the whole idea of the leveraged buyout

But

On the squad

We were undermined by the 3 or 4 Windows when the previous owners were trying to keep expenditure down and the balance sheet up to make us look more attractive to a buyer and even depending on what, and at what point, they knew in advance that the funds would be used to help facilitate that buy out.

Under pace the summer transfer window was ok and if we hadn't been blind sided by Zagreb this wouldn't have been too bad if you consider that:

1. We are bottom of the league so we didn't look to a prospective target like they were coming to a premier league club.

2. All the press stories, at a convenient time, suggesting that we were in financial trouble.

3. Newcastle getting the backing of a rich country, possibly Dyche may have tempted Trippier back if we were 11th and Wood would not have been poached but for a ridiculous money is no object bid for him.

I don't like the concept of the of the buyout.

I know that they are making big efforts corporately including tarting up the ground.

I also know that if the squad isn't strong enough and we go down then we're in trouble with this financial method.

We know Wood was on the downward in terms of effectiveness, and we don't know if WW will be better but we have the hope which we didn't with Wood.

From when Pace came in, if I'm correct.

We have:
Cornet.... Very good
Roberts.... looks good
Collins.... looks good
Hennessey... looks good
WW... promising (13mil in the bank even if it services the debt)

A fighting chance... UTC

[jedi_master]

Both wrong because loans generate no future value.

I think quite a few live in a bygone era when brass was brass and if you didn't have it you didn't spend it.

The problem we have is exactly the opposite of that at Wigan and its caused by not spending money on playing assets.

Now we have to spend it to feed the debt. It's not irresponsible it's the inevitable consequence of a leveraged buyout.

The future value is getting players in to give you a chance of staying up and preserve our TV Money.

If we spent £30m yesterday, we could have easily ended up with players who then didn't perform for us and we were lumbered with in the Championship. Remember when Fulham spent £14m on Mitroglou? They still got relegated and then sent him out on loan for three years before getting about £3m for him at sale. That's the risk with shopping in January for permanent signings when you are bottom of the table.

A couple of canny loans yesterday with obligations to buy/bonuses on survival could have made the difference without lumbering us with burdens we cannot afford to sustain if relegated. This isn't 'living in a bygone era' it's financially sound thinking rather than betting the ranch on something that has no guarantee of working whatsoever.

[Gordaleman]

I think CT will be wondering why he bothers to put work into this site, with some of the crazy people that post on this site. One more signing, which had not bad luck prevented would have looked like reasonably good work. One win at the weekend and this site will look different once again.

Spot on. If the Orsic deal had gone through, most people would have been happy. As it is, it didn't. Not due to Alan Pace, but because the selling club changed their minds and left us with very little time to find a replacement. Some posters on here seem to think it would have been easy to find someone else in a matter of a few days, but they are mostly immature glory hunters who just don't understand Burnley F. Cs. place in the football pyramid. (How many top division teams are TOWN teams.) It's my guess that most of the whingers are either still at school, or should be.

Yes, we're all disappointed, but I for one will be on the Turf on Saturday supporting the players we have, and urging them on against Watford as I have done for 69 years. I wonder how many of the whingers will be there? Not many is my guess.