Russia Invades

[Vegas Claret]

The only way I can see that scenario happening is if Putin is overthrown by either his generals or the Russian people, as happened with Slobodan Milosevic in the 1990's, but it's doubtful he could be held personally responsible, even though he quite possibly should be.

The whole thing is a tragedy, and as always it's the innocent civilians who cop the brunt of the indiscriminate violence, so much for only targeting military sites.

it sounds very much like they are running low on weaponry - can't hang around in a foreign country if you don't have the tools to do it, cutting them from swift has just made it even harder for them to re-supply

[JarrowClaret]

Ukraine foreign minister states that the Russians may be planning to use a dirty bomb on there own Country to trick people into thinking it was Ukraine. Madness if true

[JarrowClaret]

Hmmm just read a rumour of 5000 Russian soldiers in Boldegrad rioting and refusing to fight in Ukraine.

Edit Belgorod

[tiger76]

it sounds very much like they are running low on weaponry - can't hang around in a foreign country if you don't have the tools to do it, cutting them from swift has just made it even harder for them to re-supply

Indeed you can't, and this is where the sanctions can have an impact the longer Ukraine can stall any advances.

[TsarBomba]

Russian T-14 Armata tanks spotted travelling through Belgorod towards border- unconfirmed.

Russian troops revolted in Belarus and refused to cross into Ukraine- unconfirmed.

Russian thermobaric rockets on the move in Zaporizhia- confirmed. Would be a significant escalation if deployed. Indiscriminate, especially if fired in urban areas.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

https://inews.co.uk/news/what-is-thermo ... iv-1485984

Link for anyone like me who doesn't know what a thermobaric bomb is..

[Vegas Claret]

Russian thermobaric rockets on the move in Zaporizhia- confirmed. Would be a significant escalation if deployed. Indiscriminate, especially if fired in urban areas.

that changes everything if that's the case. I'd want NATO to bomb the **** out of them immediately

[bfcjg]

Putin has 666 on him somewhere if he can sanction that on human beings that said he did it in Syria. Evil,evil man.

[Vegas Claret]

a little bit of good news for those in Ukraine, pretty much means Russia can't turn off their internet and stop them from sharing what's happening

[Vegas Claret]

Kharkiv getting battered
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/sta ... wWwEIMVxjQ

[Vintage Claret]

https://inews.co.uk/news/what-is-thermo ... iv-1485984

Link for anyone like me who doesn't know what a thermobaric bomb is..

I didn't know either

As if an atomic bomb wasn't an invention that was horrific and scary enough for mankind somebody actually thought "y'know what, I've got an even better idea for a weapon of mass destruction"..

[Vegas Claret]

...

[Vegas Claret]

Oil infrastructure near Vasilkov south of Kyiv is burning

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/14 ... PTjb53xdqQ

[JarrowClaret]

Just read that Putins personal yaught was hacked and sent the wrong macchiato in data and has run aground!

[Vegas Claret]

not good

[Spiral]

Just read that Putins personal yaught was hacked and sent the wrong macchiato in data and has run aground!

Apologies for the tactless levity but I read that and for a second or two thought, why have they hacked his coffee machine?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

North Korea have fired a missile towards the Sea Of Japan ..

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Apologies for the tactless levity but I read that and for a second or two thought, why have they hacked his coffee machine?

I thought exactly the same

[JarrowClaret]

Apologies for the tactless levity but I read that and for a second or two thought, why have they hacked his coffee machine?

Ha ha make it just produce Tea maybe, yeh I couldn’t be arsed to edit after submitting well spotted spiral

[Vegas Claret]

love this

[JarrowClaret]

Apologies for the tactless levity but I read that and for a second or two thought, why have they hacked his coffee machine?

Still no idea how to spell yaught (big boat but smaller than a ferry)

And I think the other but was supposed to be navigation data

[bobinho]

I can only hope there is some truth in the reports that some Russian troops are refusing to attack Ukraine.

I really had believed that war in Europe was no longer a possibility. I suppose a lot of people had.

Good job Western European countries haven't spent the last 30 years cutting defence budgets and drawing down troop levels/deployments whilst under the illusion a democratic Russia was no longer a threat...

I had hoped the evolved nations had evolved more than this.

[Vegas Claret]

I had hoped the evolved nations had evolved more than this.

some days I feel we've gone backwards never mind evolved

[JarrowClaret]

Oil infrastructure near Vasilkov south of Kyiv is burning

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/14 ... PTjb53xdqQ

Wonder if it was deliberate? Would be one of the few precision munitions they have used.

[Vegas Claret]

Wonder if it was deliberate? Would be one of the few precision munitions they have used.

sounds targeted. Hearing more explosions/gun fire on the live feeds now too from Kyiv

[CombatClaret]

If reports of 500 tanks advancing is true that is a huge commitment of forces.

With more countries committing to re-arm they will want to get tanks there before fresh supplies of missiles do. I would even say in the short term (48hours) an encirclement is more important than a capture, to ensure the defenders are cut off.

UK supplied 2,000 man portable Anti Tank missiles in January, they've been visible in the hands of Ukrainian forces. They will be being used on all types of vehicles not just tanks. So with 600 armored vehicles reportedly destroyed you'd imagine they will be through a sizable chunk of these.
I know many will have been destroyed from the air or by other weapons but I'm also factoring in 2 fired for every 1 kill, which is still generous.

[Volvoclaret]

I’ve reconsidered the decision to lock this thread and decided to re-open it. It will remain so if everyone is respectful and that means keeping the topic to one thread and with no personal posts aimed at individuals.

What happened last night was the starting of a sub-thread that shouldn’t have been which received reports that were dealt with. I was then subjected to personal comments from one poster that I found offensive.

If you see any unacceptable posts, please report them.

Thanks.

Thank you Tony. My earlier plea was really heartfelt and I am so grateful that you have reconsidered
Dont let idiots ruin what is an amazing thread
I know it's not football related, but sometimes other worldwide events overtake the world of football.
PS great point today

[KRBFC]

Nukes can be shot down, right? Not sure how easy or accurate nukes are to drop/shoot down.

[box_of_frogs]

Nukes can be shot down, right? Not sure how easy or accurate nukes are to drop/shoot down.

Not really. It’s very very hard to ‘shoot one down’.

Dropping them - pretty chuffing easy in the grand scheme of things if you want to.

[KRBFC]

Not really. It’s very very hard to ‘shoot one down’.

Dropping them - pretty chuffing easy in the grand scheme of things if you want to.

So there is zero defence to nuclear bombs?

[box_of_frogs]

Bombs come off planes. Shoot them down = no bombs.

Warheads also come off ICBMs. That’s where it gets very difficult/ expensive. Hence the best defence is your own warheads with which to ward off the attack anyway. Hence why we have a credible nuclear deterrent despite the protests of some.

[Vegas Claret]

Nukes can be shot down, right? Not sure how easy or accurate nukes are to drop/shoot down.

even if you shoot them down the fall out would be colossal

[Vegas Claret]

Ukrainian nuclear agency says Radon’s radioactive waste site near to Kyiv has been hit by a Russian airstrike, however measurements were taken at the site and there is currently no evidence of a radiation leak.

if that was an intentional strike by Russia........

[box_of_frogs]

even if you shoot them down the fall out would be colossal

Not quite. If it doesn’t detonate then the radioactive material is fairly contained.

Good examples being the bombs onboard USAF B52s that crashed over Spain (and poss others) that were very difficult to find.

Bombs of all types don’t go off un-commanded !

[Vegas Claret]

Not quite. If it doesn’t detonate then the radioactive material is fairly contained.

Good examples being the bombs onboard USAF B52s that crashed over Spain (and poss others) that were very difficult to find.

Bombs of all types don’t go off un-commanded !

not quite sure how you would shoot a missile down without it detonating ? I'd not heard about the B52 over Spain incident, i'll go read about that

edit: B52 incident.........The non-nuclear explosives in two of the weapons detonated upon impact with the ground, resulting in the contamination of a 0.77-square-mile (2 km2) area with radioactive plutonium. The fourth, which fell into the Mediterranean Sea, was recovered intact after a search lasting two and a half months.[5]

[box_of_frogs]

The key point being ‘non nuclear components’. The USAF didn’t accidentally smash half of western Spain!

All I’ll say is, nukes are fairly hard to set off accidentally, and that includes if you managed to shoot one down.

[Vegas Claret]

The key point being ‘non nuclear components’. The USAF didn’t accidentally smash half of western Spain!

All I’ll say is, nukes are fairly hard to set off accidentally, and that includes if you managed to shoot one down.

not saying you are right or wrong, I'm absolutely no expert on it but I would question if that was the case then why would people be so afraid of Putin launching them ?

[Vegas Claret]

this is really bad news

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followed by Marco Rubio's comment (US Intelligence committee)

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[box_of_frogs]

not saying you are right or wrong, I'm absolutely no expert on it but I would question if that was the case then why would people be so afraid of Putin launching them ?

Because you can’t predict what some feckwits will do.

Let’s hope he’s sane enough to not go Nuc.

[Vegas Claret]

and for context on the Tweets above from Christo Grozev - he's about as legit as you are going to get: Emmy & Nannen Prize for investigative journalism 2021, European Prize for Investigative Journalism and London Press Club Prize 2019.

[TsarBomba]

Unconfirmed reports that Russian soldiers are not only running out of fuel, but actively dumping it. Russian advance slowing.

[TsarBomba]

Mykolaiv reportedly under full Ukrainian control.

[Vegas Claret]

Unconfirmed reports that Russian soldiers are not only running out of fuel, but actively dumping it. Russian advance slowing.

I saw that among other things, sounds very much like they don't want to be there at all

[Sottpark1 !]

Thanks Tony for restoring the thread ,

[TsarBomba]

Governor of Kharkiv reporting heavy fighting inside the city.

[Penwortham_Claret]

I wonder if there could be other nations elite forces on the ground unofficially in an ‘advisory’ role to the Ukrainian army?

[NewClaret]

Unconfirmed reports that Russian soldiers are not only running out of fuel, but actively dumping it. Russian advance slowing.

Why would they dump fuel?

[Quickenthetempo]

Why would they dump fuel?

So they can't make the front line/fighting.

[NewClaret]

So they can't make the front line/fighting.

Got you. Hope it’s true then.

[Lancasterclaret]

From yesterday

Russian supply/rear echelon unit destroyed near Khark'iv, and one near Kerson

https://twitter.com/AVindman/status/1497619842551230468

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/statu ... 7726240768

From today

Ukrainian soldiers engaging Russian special forces in Khark'iv

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497845325242982403

Almost impossible to control the rear areas with what Russia has, and though their elite combat troops will be as good as its possibly to be, a lot of their army with be conscripts with no combat experience

This more and more this looks like Russia needs a "win" (ie capturing Kyi'v) so it can say its won, and save face

But its only been four days, so lots of things could change