Russia Invades

[Vegas Claret]

Russia clearly just now doing indiscriminate bombing of civilians

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1499414309645991957

horrendous situation for Ukraine. Where does NATO go from here ? **** scrared (for obvious reasons) of going in to Ukraine but how long do the West allow that to continue ?

[elwaclaret]

Russia clearly just now doing indiscriminate bombing of civilians

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1499414309645991957

I don’t think there is any shortages for war crimes. Putin is erecting his own gallows, making it even more dangerous from here.

[Lancasterclaret]

horrendous situation for Ukraine. Where does NATO go from here ? **** scrared (for obvious reasons) of going in to Ukraine but how long do the West allow that to continue ?

All this is doing is turning 45 million Ukrainians into absolutely hating Russia

How on earth (assuming he wins) does he keep control?

It makes no sense at all

[JarrowClaret]

None of it will end well there are war crimes on both sides all of which could end up in the Hague when it all unravels at the end.

[elwaclaret]

US about to follow UK in fresh swoop of Sanctions.

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1499 ... 90505?s=21

[Vegas Claret]

All this is doing is turning 45 million Ukrainians into absolutely hating Russia

How on earth (assuming he wins) does he keep control?

It makes no sense at all

I've just been listening to a BBC correspondent from Kyiv, he said the shelters there are emptying out very quickly with people choosing to leave - hence the quick rise in refugee numbers over the last few days. I just can't see a way here where it doesn't escalate to such a degree that the option of watching from afar becomes increasingly difficult to justify. Look at the last 2 or 3 years and now this

[Lancasterclaret]

US about to follow UK in fresh swoop of Sanctions.

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1499 ... 90505?s=21

Follow?

Thats far more than we've done to the oligarchs isn't it?

[taio]

Follow?

Thats far more than we've done to the oligarchs isn't it?

The UK has certainly led the way on many aspects of the strategy for sanctions and consequences.

[elwaclaret]

Follow?

Thats far more than we've done to the oligarchs isn't it?

A lot ongoing seems to be the message BBC just interviewing Law firm who advises most of them… he basically said hurry up with getting on with sanctioning them all because until they announce it there is nothing he can do but advise what they are/not allowed to mitigate losses.

And all Russian banks also being cut off. Massive pressure over Abramovich, understood billionaires lining up to buy all his British assets.

[Vegas Claret]

Follow?

Thats far more than we've done to the oligarchs isn't it?

When the US and all continue to buy their oil is it really making much of a difference ? Putin clearly isn't listening

[Lancasterclaret]

The UK has certainly led the way on many aspects of the strategy for sanctions and consequences.

No, we've been very good at that, but we've got some catching up to do in regards to the Oligarchs

[GodIsADeeJay81]

All this is doing is turning 45 million Ukrainians into absolutely hating Russia

How on earth (assuming he wins) does he keep control?

It makes no sense at all

He can't keep control because his army isn't big enough.
They've mentioned on the radio the other day what the ratio of soldiers to civilians needs too be, I've just forgotten it, I just know the expert said even before the invasion began the army wasn't big enough.

[elwaclaret]

Major Russian Oil executive calls for end of war. Their website has since been taken down, BBC business editor just announced.

[Vegas Claret]

He can't keep control because his army isn't big enough.
They've mentioned on the radio the other day what the ratio of soldiers to civilians needs too be, I've just forgotten it, I just know the expert said even before the invasion began the army wasn't big enough.

I saw that and don't remember, I do remember one that said Russia lost in Afghanistan when the ratio was 1 Russian to 9 Afghans and the current situation in Ukraine was 1 to 144

[elwaclaret]

Warcrimes Commission sitting now.

[Vegas Claret]

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[elwaclaret]

Ukraine President asking NATO to give him the planes to create his own no fly zone.

[corporal jones]

When the US and all continue to buy their oil is it really making much of a difference ? Putin clearly isn't listening

yes thats right, lets buy our oil from the Saudis......oh hang on!

[Vegas Claret]

yes thats right, lets buy our oil from the Saudis......oh hang on!

Canada has over DOUBLE the oil reserves of Russia

[elwaclaret]

yes thats right, lets buy our oil from the Saudis......oh hang on!

Not necessarily. Biden is under pressure to sanction the opening of closed oil fields and several new ones he’s been sitting on - on the back of his Buy America First Address speech. If he does there will be a big swing in Republican support.

[Mala591]

Why doesn’t Ukraine join NATO immediately? As soon as they are members then NATO can demand that Russia withdraw from Ukraine or they will be removed by the combined military power of Europe and the U.S.

Putin would be furious and threaten all sorts of Armageddon like scenarios including nuclear war but (imo) the reality ‘on the ground’ is Russia will have to either fight a non-nuclear ‘traditional’ war or withdraw.

[taio]

Why doesn’t Ukraine join NATO immediately? As soon as they are members then NATO can demand that Russia withdraw from Ukraine or they will be removed by the combined military power of Europe and the U.S.

Putin would be furious and threaten all sorts of Armageddon like scenarios including nuclear war but (imo) the reality ‘on the ground’ is Russia will have to either fight a non-nuclear ‘traditional’ war or withdraw.

Because things would escalate substantially

[ŽižkovClaret]

Might be a dumb question, but if Abramovich is sanctioned, would anyone buying Chelsea or his other assets not be breaking sanctions?

[Lancasterclaret]

This kind of thing will be happening behind the Russian lines all over Ukraine

(I don't think Poltava oblast is behind Russian lines yet btw but it gives you an idea)

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/14 ... 8281625601

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Might be a dumb question, but if Abramovich is sanctioned, would anyone buying Chelsea or his other assets not be breaking sanctions?

Probably, which is why he wants a very quick sale of the club

[Lancasterclaret]

They are haemorrhaging equipment at a ridiculous rate

https://twitter.com/free_esports/status ... 7076846592

[Colburn_Claret]

All this is doing is turning 45 million Ukrainians into absolutely hating Russia

How on earth (assuming he wins) does he keep control?

It makes no sense at all

The strange thing about this war, is I've never felt, and still don't, feel like we are at war with Russia. The Russian people aren't to blame for this, and I don't believe ordinary Ukrainians will blame ordinary Russians. This is one despots last throw of the dice, to hold on to an outdated ideology.
It's even sadder for how pathetic it is.

[Firthy]

Ukraine President asking NATO to give him the planes to create his own no fly zone.

That's what I've said all along. Would be the best aid NATO can give them apart from sending troops or pilots in.

[grapidianclaret]

The strange thing about this war, is I've never felt, and still don't, feel like we are at war with Russia. The Russian people aren't to blame for this, and I don't believe ordinary Ukrainians will blame ordinary Russians. This is one despots last throw of the dice, to hold on to an outdated ideology.
It's even sadder for how pathetic it is.

Once the cities have been leveled and the dead counted, I think all Ukrainians will hate the very ground all Russians walk on.

[Lancasterclaret]

Once the cities have been leveled and the dead counted, I think all Ukrainians will hate the very ground all Russians walk on.

This

All this is doing is guaranteeing hatred for Russia from Ukraine, and reawakening that hatred in the old Eastern European states

Your ordinary Russian will pay for this, long after Putin has gone sadly

[Firthy]

Once the cities have been leveled and the dead counted, I think all Ukrainians will hate the very ground all Russians walk on.

I think a lot of other people in the world will.

[Mala591]

Because things would escalate substantially

Then let them drastically escalate in the short term until Russia is thrown out of Ukraine. This is 2022 not 1922, if we carry on standing by wringing our hands in fear of nuclear war then tens of thousands of innocent civilians and innocent soldiers will die.

[taio]

Then let them drastically escalate in the short term until Russia is thrown out of Ukraine. This is 2022 not 1922, if we carry on standing by wringing our hands in fear of nuclear war then tens of thousands of innocent civilians and innocent soldiers will die.

More would die.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Then let them drastically escalate in the short term until Russia is thrown out of Ukraine. This is 2022 not 1922, if we carry on standing by wringing our hands in fear of nuclear war then tens of thousands of innocent civilians and innocent soldiers will die.

Yes, it's 2022 and we have the weapons to match the time.
Weapons that are so much more devastating than 1922.

Putin is stark raving mad, as shown by his comments in the last few hours.
You might be willing to sacrifice millions, but the rest of us aren't.

[bfcjg]

I was always ambivalent towards nuclear weapons, however when you have a cowardly bully with them it would be insane for us not to have them.
Regarding the US buying Russian oil I read a report earlier that the big US importers have stopped, the Russians are discounting the oil,there is a glut of it but no takers.

[elwaclaret]

Then let them drastically escalate in the short term until Russia is thrown out of Ukraine. This is 2022 not 1922, if we carry on standing by wringing our hands in fear of nuclear war then tens of thousands of innocent civilians and innocent soldiers will die.

I was all for calling Putin’s bluff at the start, but the sanctions are proving far more effective than I would have previously believed. So long as we get on with supplying quietly and ramp up the pressure again soon or the signs coming out of Russia are that Russians are increasingly unhappy as realisation spreads.

[Lancasterclaret]

Some good news, sounds like there is an agreement on humanitarian corridors out of the war zones

Course Russia will be bang in favour of this, as more refugees is more pressure on the West

[bfcjg]

Some good news, sounds like there is an agreement on humanitarian corridors out of the war zones

Course Russia will be bang in favour of this, as more refugees is more pressure on the West

If it saves lives it has to be a good thing, The world is a massive place we can be rehome them even if temporarily their stories will steel the world against the likes of Putin .

[Lancasterclaret]

Not so good news, Putin is telling Russians that Russia and Ukrainians are one people

The fact that 45 million Ukrainians don't want that is complicating that a tad

Oh, and apparently the operation is all going according to plan

Lots and lots of videos from various parts of the front suggest that is about as far from the truth as its possible to be

(not posting a lot of them because there are very clearly bodies of dead Russian soldiers in them)

[elwaclaret]

Toyota close Russian car manufacturing plants.

[Zlatan]

More would die.

Yes, including all of us with them

[Lancasterclaret]

https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1 ... 9183607809

Price of Russian crude on the market

Its tanked, I mean, look at that graph!

[KRBFC]

I think any civilian men remaining in Ukraine need to take up arms, civilian areas are being targeted and cities being bombed to the ground while we keep seeing stories like ''civilian roadblocks stopping tanks'', it's about time the civilians weren't stopping the tanks but decimating them and the people inside.

[Lancasterclaret]

Russia airlines getting planes seized at international airports

Refusing to return leased planes - the long term consequences for the Russian economy are absolutely horrendous if they do that

https://twitter.com/jakluge/status/1499373653372420099

[KRBFC]

I don't think NATO needs troops on the ground, the Ukrainian population can win this war easily on sheer numbers alone, if provided with the necessary equipment.

[TheFamilyCat]

I don't think NATO needs troops on the ground, the Ukrainian population can win this war easily on sheer numbers alone, if provided with the necessary equipment.

Probably, but at what cost?

[bfcjg]

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ru ... urce=upday
Interesting business slant.

[KRBFC]

Probably, but at what cost?

Whatever cost it takes, they haven't got a choice.

[summitclaret]

Then let them drastically escalate in the short term until Russia is thrown out of Ukraine. This is 2022 not 1922, if we carry on standing by wringing our hands in fear of nuclear war then tens of thousands of innocent civilians and innocent soldiers will die.

And millions around the world including in the UK could die and radiation could be around for decades. It's not for us to get directly involved unless he takes on Poland or another Nato country.

[KRBFC]

And millions around the world including in the UK could die and radiation could be around for decades. It's not for us to get directly involved unless he takes on Poland or another Nato country.

People are seriously overreacting if they think Putin can/will just press a button and wipe out the entire world. Too many video game Call of Duty players