Russia Invades

[alboclaret]

£2 p/l bring it on. Least we can do is put up with a few extra quid. I wouldn't expect to hear many complaining about it.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I work in the fuel industry and £2 a litre is not an unrealistic prediction. I talk to a lot of transport managers and one today said he saw 1.80 on the motorway.

Sounds like I'd better get myself a moped for work then, as it's slowly becoming unviable to run my car like I have been.

[Colburn_Claret]

Fuel prices have jumped 3p today, now at £160.9per ltr.

Where AWE is, Tadley, it's jumped 10p over the last 48hrs.

I'm expecting it to hit £2 in the next week or so.

It's a bummer, but before we moan about the price of petrol, I hope everyone remembers the price the Ukraine is paying.
If paying more helps them in anyway then I've no complaints.

[Vegas Claret]

Iranian President not too happy with Putin

https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/sta ... 5803579402

wow

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It's a bummer, but before we moan about the price of petrol, I hope everyone remembers the price the Ukraine is paying.
If paying more helps them in anyway then I've no complaints.

The only complaint I've got is fuel was £1.20 ish a ltr during the nationwide lockdown, because there was a surplus and it's now an extra 40p a ltr, I think it's a massive p-take especially as most of that will be taxes.

[Vegas Claret]

https://twitter.com/JM_Szuba/status/1499456111497334787

No wonder Ukraine is doing so much better than everyone thought

Bet they are getting real time troop/aircraft intelligence that the Russians can only dream of

well we know there are Awacs up 24/7 and I'll guarantee a U2 is up there somewhere too

[Lancasterclaret]

Ukrainians selling captured Russian Tanks on e-bay

https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status ... 9599950848

[Vegas Claret]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newswe ... 31%3famp=1
This guy has some balls to do that on live tv, there are more and more people going off message.

the presenter's face is a picture

[Cubanforever]

The only complaint I've got is fuel was £1.20 ish a ltr during the nationwide lockdown, because there was a surplus and it's now an extra 40p a ltr, I think it's a massive p-take especially as most of that will be taxes.

Market forces are what they are but it pales into the background at the moment....life is the most valuable commodity

[elwaclaret]

well we know there are Awacs up 24/7 and I'll guarantee a U2 is up there somewhere too

I think there might be more than that up there, there was a knowing grin (that a reporter also commented on live) during the State of the Union address that suggests Bidon is pretty confident Russia would not be nuking America whatever else he tries.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Market forces are what they are but it pales into the background at the moment....life is the most valuable commodity

That's true

Just looking at average prices across Europe and we aren't the highest as of end of Feb, but there's quite a distance between what we pay and other countries pay
https://www.tolls.eu/fuel-prices

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Ukrainians selling captured Russian Tanks on e-bay

https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status ... 9599950848

Collection only !

[elwaclaret]

Collection only !

You expect to get the goldfish too at that price though.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Ukrainians selling captured Russian Tanks on e-bay

https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status ... 9599950848

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[IanMcL]

Grandad...you fought in the war. Did you ever see a Luger?

Yes I have one locked in the drawer.

Cor Grandad....what about those funny hats they wore?

Yes I have one of those, as a souvenir too.

Cor Grandad....well what about those big coats they all wore?

Yes I have one covering the tank in the loft.

GRANDAD!!!!! YOU'VE GOT A TANK!!!!!!!!

[elwaclaret]

Ukrainian winter playing havoc with Russian supply attempts, poor maintenance leading to buckling wheels (says the same for the planes).

https://twitter.com/benjskipper/status/ ... 35016?s=21

[IanMcL]

Probably running on Red diesel!

[Vegas Claret]

don't know if this has been posted
https://twitter.com/MarkUrban01/status/ ... 1kk-xDj92w

[elwaclaret]

don't know if this has been posted
https://twitter.com/MarkUrban01/status/ ... 1kk-xDj92w

No not seen that and its certainly interesting but watched Newsnight on th BBC2 - doing a fantastic nightly roundup with a lot of top level (World Authorities of various kinds every night) including Russians (those brave enough on either side).

[Lancasterclaret]

don't know if this has been posted
https://twitter.com/MarkUrban01/status/ ... 1kk-xDj92w

Reservists, with limited training, and out of date equipment, going to street fighting with an enemy motivated by defending their own homes, armed with everything they can throw at them

Still most of March is the mud season as well, and if its 90% of their combat power already involved, and its taken hits, then

I bet Putin is screaming at his commanders to do things quicker, and that cost the Russians really heavily in WWII

And it goes without saying, anyone seeing a drop in the Ukrainian will to fight?

Nah, me neither

[Dressinggown]

War Crimes:

Stupid question but if Putin is found guilty of War Crimes then what is the punishment ? Can he just say FO, come and get me ?

What happens then ? He is hardly going to hand himself in without some dreadful legacy.

[elwaclaret]

War Crimes:

Stupid question but if Putin is found guilty of War Crimes then what is the punishment ? Can he just say FO, come and get me ?

What happens then ? He is hardly going to hand himself in without some dreadful legacy.

Total paralysis. Russia becomes totally isolated, even those still defending him are obliged to stop dealing with the country until such times as those in power that are found guilty are removed to stand trial at The Hague. Makes sanctions pointless to a large degree, no one outside Russia recognises it.

Just to add there is no precedent for a convicted leader not being given up… at least in time.

[Lancasterclaret]

I think we really need China to step up to the plate here

It can't be happy with what is going on, and will start to get really worried about the economic consequences

[elwaclaret]

I think we really need China to step up to the plate here

It can't be happy with what is going on, and will start to get really worried about the economic consequences

China far, far from happy. They have spent billions building into the trade system and to great effect, only for COVID and then within a week Putin killing the fatted calf that China relies on. They are now stuck between a rock and a hard place - it has serious implications if they are seen siding with the West, even against their traditional enemies. If the War Crimes comes back positive, its a huge out for China which is already getting plenty of disgruntled messages from its SE neighbours over trade. It would I think suit China down to the ground for Putin to be found guilty sooner rather than later.

[Lancasterclaret]

Jewish Holocaust survivors, hiding in a bunker in Kyi'v, telling Putin where to go

https://twitter.com/JewishChron/status/ ... 7610562563

[TheFamilyCat]

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[elwaclaret]

Interesting comments from Rory Stewart. Suggesting a reason for Bidon’s confidence regarding nuclear war.

https://twitter.com/bbcsounds/status/14 ... 53826?s=21

[Cubanforever]

Interesting comments from Rory Stewart. Suggesting a reason for Bidon’s confidence regarding nuclear war.

https://twitter.com/bbcsounds/status/14 ... 53826?s=21

In all this s hit its nice to hear some recognisable reassurance, thank you

[JarrowClaret]

China far, far from happy. They have spent billions building into the trade system and to great effect, only for COVID and then within a week Putin killing the fatted calf that China relies on. They are now stuck between a rock and a hard place - it has serious implications if they are seen siding with the West, even against their traditional enemies. If the War Crimes comes back positive, its a huge out for China which is already getting plenty of disgruntled messages from its SE neighbours over trade. It would I think suit China down to the ground for Putin to be found guilty sooner rather than later.

I read somewhere or someone said in the radio that China has eyes on parts of Russia the more they push at Ukraine it could get interesting on that border as well.

[elwaclaret]

I read somewhere or someone said in the radio that China has eyes on parts of Russia the more they push at Ukraine it could get interesting on that border as well.

Watching Newsnight - China have announced it always respects and insists other accept existing borders. At first flush it sounds like they are looking to extricate themselves from their previous position. Causing as little collateral damage to their own relationships as possible (or be potentially on the losing side, I suspect).

[tarkys_ears]

China creaming themselves.


Buying up Russia like it's a giant supply depot for 10c on the Dollar within the month.

They're playing the LOOOOOOOOOONG game

[tarkys_ears]

wow

He's not the Iranian president anymore.

[Cubanforever]

BBC iPlayer - Panorama - Putin's War in Ukraine
BBC
3 days ago

Don't think it will come through as a link but it's on iplayer and worth a watch

[LoveCurryPies]

The Russian people and the military need to bring Putin down.

[NewClaret]

Watching Newsnight - China have announced it always respects and insists other accept existing borders. At first flush it sounds like they are looking to extricate themselves from their previous position. Causing as little collateral damage to their own relationships as possible (or be potentially on the losing side, I suspect).

Hope this is true and they start to sense the way the wind is blowing on this.

There’s a post below saying the Russians/military should overthrow Putin, and I could see that, but only really if China back the West.

I can’t see why they wouldn’t. They need the West and our consumers a lot more than they need Russia.

[CrosspoolClarets]

I just cannot see Russia being dominant in this century given their economy is the size of Spain, will reduce with sanctions to a fraction of that, and the world is loosening its dependence on hydrocarbons.

China is another matter, and they are just as fierce and authoritarian. Just cleverer about it. I agree they are playing the long game, slowly growing. Their demographic time bomb from the one child policy gives me hope but I can just see them trying to hoover up Russia’s vast commodities due to this crisis.

We have to ensure democracy and freedom prevails, that will lead to a lot of belt tightening but I just cannot see the West backing down now. We simply have too much to lose.

Linking that to Ukraine, Konstantine Kisin (who is very good) on Question Time tonight suggesting this can only end in a diplomatic settlement where Russia take Crimea amd Eastern Ukraine formally with us getting some concessions in return. I agree. We just need to get there ASAP and avoid further bloodshed. p.s. I don’t see us releasing all sanctions in return though.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Parts of the biggest nuclear power station in Europe are on fire after the Russians shelled it...

[GodIsADeeJay81]

If Putin gets Eastern Ukraine, along with Crimea then he will feel emboldened and will try to take the rest of the country in the near future.
Then he starts looking at other countries because he knows he gets what he wants through invasions/bloodshed

[Wile E Coyote]

Wounded animal scenario, Putin has acted as many believed he would. He seems to be insane, and dangerously powerful.
Not looking good for those that believe common sense will prevail.
The sanctions will have cut deep, but he knows this, and for all the condemnation of his strategies, and murderous tactics, He appears oblivious.
Russia is a frightening enemy, colossal forces, and capable of convincing its own populace that they are doing the right thing. Western alliances and accord will only strengthen his resolve. China is an irrelevance.

[Swizzlestick]

Just awful https://twitter.com/megkinnardap/status ... 84896?s=21

[Vegas Claret]

I thought they might sabotage some facilities in case things didn't go according to Putin's plan

[Vegas Claret]

...

[Taffy on the wing]

I think we really need China to step up to the plate here

It can't be happy with what is going on, and will start to get really worried about the economic consequences

You'll be waiting a very long time!

[Vegas Claret]

New Jersey city votes to halt licenses of gas stations tied to Russia's Lukoil

[Vegas Claret]

...not often you hear a US politician call for an assassination

[Vegas Claret]

Equipment losses for Russia and Ukraine - staggering for Russia

"This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here"


https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/a ... pment.html

[Damo]

This is the most mental thing ive seen on social media

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It's a sad indictment of how easily people are controlled by what they read on the Internet.
We really are f***ed

[Vegas Claret]

This is the most mental thing ive seen on social media
IMG_20220304_052742.jpg
It's a sad indictment of how easily people are controlled by what they read on the Internet.
We really are f***ed

Damo, you've taken it at it's literal meaning, try reading between the lines mate.

[alboclaret]

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This is the most mental thing ive seen on social media
IMG_20220304_052742.jpg
It's a sad indictment of how easily people are controlled by what they read on the Internet.
We really are f***ed

https://donation.dec.org.uk/ukraine-hum ... an-appeal/

Here's another "mental thing" for you.

[Lancasterclaret]

This is the most mental thing ive seen on social media
IMG_20220304_052742.jpg
It's a sad indictment of how easily people are controlled by what they read on the Internet.
We really are f***ed

I read it and liked it because I think putting up with some disruption to what we normally do is worth it

I assume (well hope to be honest) that you think its profiteering and isn't necessary, rather than the slightly more darker explanation