Russia Invades

[bfcjg]

Quick question to our American Clarets , is the war getting the same coverage in the States as it is here ie wall to wall on the TV and newspapers, also is the vast majority of opinion as it is here absolute shock and disgust tinged with worry about nuclear escalation ?

[elwaclaret]

Russia will ‘stop in a moment’ if Ukraine meets terms - same old ‘capitulate’ and we’ll stop bombing message, sadly.

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1500 ... 59012?s=21

[Tribesmen]

Now read on another football site ( yer i know ) that this war was costing Russia $10 billion a day , would that be right ?

[Spiral]

$20b.

[elwaclaret]

Quick question to our American Clarets , is the war getting the same coverage in the States as it is here ie wall to wall on the TV and newspapers, also is the vast majority of opinion as it is here absolute shock and disgust tinged with worry about nuclear escalation ?

I’d post that one to Vegasclaret next time he posts - I’m not sure how far he reads back and its likely to get swallowed by follow up posts. Bloody good question though, wish I’d thought of asking it.

[Spiral]

Russia will ‘stop in a moment’ if Ukraine meets terms - same old ‘capitulate’ and we’ll stop bombing message, sadly.

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1500 ... 59012?s=21

As tempting as it would be to *does finger air quotes* end the invasion by conceding the Donbass and Crimea, giving Putin what he wants validates his policy of using murder and not diplomacy to reconfigure the world around Russia. We all know those regions won't be the end, but merely a pause. If Ukraine wants NATO and EU membership they're going to have to inflict a defeat on Russia. I know it's easy for us sat here in the safety of England to say all this, but a peace settlement on the terms Putin wants is just delaying a capitulation to Russia.

[Vegas Claret]

Quick question to our American Clarets , is the war getting the same coverage in the States as it is here ie wall to wall on the TV and newspapers, also is the vast majority of opinion as it is here absolute shock and disgust tinged with worry about nuclear escalation ?

honestly I refuse to watch Cable TV over here. It's beyond political to the point I don't trust a single word either of the main channels say. I know that doesn't answer your question, maybe someone else will be able to say for sure but I would imagine it's wall to wall coverage

[NewClaret]

Now read on another football site ( yer i know ) that this war was costing Russia $10 billion a day , would that be right ?

DA, is that you?

[Vegas Claret]

Russia will ‘stop in a moment’ if Ukraine meets terms - same old ‘capitulate’ and we’ll stop bombing message, sadly.

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1500 ... 59012?s=21

never going to happen

[Lancasterclaret]

As tempting as it would be to *does finger air quotes* end the invasion by conceding the Donbass and Crimea, giving Putin what he wants validates his policy of using murder and not diplomacy to reconfigure the world around Russia. We all know those regions won't be the end, but merely a pause. If Ukraine wants NATO and EU membership they're going to have to inflict a defeat on Russia. I know it's easy for us sat here in the safety of England to say all this, but a peace settlement on the terms Putin wants is just delaying a capitulation to Russia.

Only way that flies I would assume is if Ukraine was free to join NATO/EU , and NATO accepted them in asap

[NewClaret]

$20b.

How so?

Is that including the effect of sanctions or just what it costs to run an army/invasion? Seems a hell of a bill when most of their army aren’t going anywhere!!!

[elwaclaret]

The Elnt News agency (pretty good) reporting that there are more helicopters on view at a Belarusian military base than they have in their entire airforce.

https://twitter.com/gerjon_/status/1500 ... 80224?s=21

[TsarBomba]

https://twitter.com/ajenglish/status/15 ... 60739?s=21

Not sure if this link has been posted already, so apologies if it has.

During a pause in fighting, a news team were able to re-enter Kharkiv.

The devastation is vast.

[elwaclaret]

$20b.

Come on cheeky… you know better than that. We need sources on this thread

[Vegas Claret]

https://twitter.com/ajenglish/status/15 ... 60739?s=21

Not sure if this link has been posted already, so apologies if it has.

During a pause in fighting, a news team were able to re-enter Kharkiv.

The devastation is vast.

horrific

[tiger76]

horrific

Yep! it's horrendous, and the last time I can recall devastation on this scale in Europe is WW2, and the rebuild took decades sadly.

[JarrowClaret]

A good source in the US details from todays pentagon briefing.

https://twitter.com/danlamothe/status/1 ... 72521?s=21

[elwaclaret]

https://twitter.com/ajenglish/status/15 ... 60739?s=21

Not sure if this link has been posted already, so apologies if it has.

During a pause in fighting, a news team were able to re-enter Kharkiv.

The devastation is vast.

No not seen that one, as Vegas says horrific. How many people have died to end scenes like that ever being repeated. Just unimaginable to live through that.

[JarrowClaret]

Did anyone else read about the 30 aircraft destroyed Ukrainian SF on Kherson Airfield last night? I read it this morning but I have only seen it mentioned sporadically since and haven’t really followed the war much today too busy at work.

[elwaclaret]

Spurs 3-0 Everton 39 mins

Second Russian oil tanker refused permission to dock.

https://twitter.com/bbcnews/status/1500 ... 80065?s=21

[elwaclaret]

Did anyone else read about the 30 aircraft destroyed Ukrainian SF on Kherson Airfield last night? I read it this morning but I have only seen it mentioned sporadically since and haven’t really followed the war much today too busy at work.

Only a possible reference from President Bidon in his briefing, words to the effect that the Ukraine are not running short of aircraft.

[JarrowClaret]

Only a possible reference from President Bidon in his briefing, words to the effect that the Ukraine are not running short of aircraft.

Supposedly Russian helicopters destroyed by Ukrainian Special Forces, must have been crap or they would’ve been shouting it from the rooftops

PS

I won’t post it as I don’t think it is right and actually I can’t find it again, but if you get a chance search for the Russian POW interview from yesterday really powerful stuff from him

[PhiladelphiaChris]

Quick question to our American Clarets , is the war getting the same coverage in the States as it is here ie wall to wall on the TV and newspapers, also is the vast majority of opinion as it is here absolute shock and disgust tinged with worry about nuclear escalation ?

Yes wall to wall on tv, not sure about newspapers but would imagine so. Opinion here is absolute disgust, massive collections going on at churches etc. Volunteer ex special forces groups, other veterans volunteering to fight help like medics etc. My area has many people with Ukraine roots for some reason. A lady on my street lost her cousin and cousins husband to bombing in Kyiv a couple of nights ago.

[LeadBelly]

Did anyone else read about the 30 aircraft destroyed Ukrainian SF on Kherson Airfield last night? I read it this morning but I have only seen it mentioned sporadically since and haven’t really followed the war much today too busy at work.

Ukraine has claimed this, Ive seen several reports to this effect though non verified. Eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alJh7I_ ... Warupdates
https://ukranews.com/en/news/839363-ukr ... ar-kherson

[elwaclaret]

Supposedly Russian helicopters destroyed by Ukrainian Special Forces, must have been crap or they would’ve been shouting it from the rooftops

PS

I won’t post it as I don’t think it is right and actually I can’t find it again, but if you get a chance search for the Russian POW interview from yesterday really powerful stuff from him

Not sure they haven’t… there is so many burning armour releases appearing today, I’ve just seen another Ukrainian tank blowing away Russian tanks like an oversized fairground shoot em up.

[aggi]

This one is a BIG deal… often considered the loosest cannon in NATO due to long ties to Russia combined with a right leaning leadership - Hungary has laid their cards on the table and it is NATO and the West where they see as their future.

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1500 ... 77250?s=21

Talking to a Hungarian friend today, they were saying that HUF has absolutely tanked due to the invasion.

I think the way that Hungary, not always the most pro-immigrant country, allowed substantial numbers of refugees showed the way the wind was blowing there.

[Vegas Claret]

unimaginable
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status ... pZqZ7W61tQ

[Lancasterclaret]

Not sure they haven’t… there is so many burning armour releases appearing today, I’ve just seen another Ukrainian tank blowing away Russian tanks like an oversized fairground shoot em up.

You got a link for that, I've not got anything on pure armor v armor

[TsarBomba]

Reports of explosions in Odessa.

If Mykolaiv is taken, and it’s still an if as Ukraine have counterattacked, then the route to Odessa will open up.

I just wonder if we’ll see a softening up of Odessa in the next few days in preparation.

One to keep an eye on.

[elwaclaret]

unimaginable
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status ... pZqZ7W61tQ

The end bit was the other day, someone (sorry forget who) put up an Al Jezeri (sp?) follow up report from the same place. It looks like something you’d see in France during World War Two. Absolutely appalling. I noticed. One of the State Department messages today mentioned they weren’t sure if Russia was targeting civilians, More to do with how inept the Russians are turning out to be, I suspect, than lack of evidence.

[Lancasterclaret]

Reports of explosions in Odessa.

If Mykolaiv is taken, and it’s still an if as Ukraine have counterattacked, then the route to Odessa will open up.

I just wonder if we’ll see a softening up of Odessa in the next few days in preparation.

One to keep an eye on.

Couple of days ago Mykolaiv was defo in Ukrainian hands, and the airbase was full of captured Russian equipment

Still, things change fast

[elwaclaret]

Still looking back Lancaster. Don’t remember seeing this one today

https://twitter.com/artemisapphire/stat ... 74022?s=21

[elwaclaret]

Reports of explosions in Odessa.

If Mykolaiv is taken, and it’s still an if as Ukraine have counterattacked, then the route to Odessa will open up.

I just wonder if we’ll see a softening up of Odessa in the next few days in preparation.

One to keep an eye on.

I think they might be careful with Odessa. It is steeped in Revolutionary history Especially the steps, and they will want the port available asap I should imagine.

[Lancasterclaret]

I think they might be careful with Odessa. It is steeped in Revolutionary history Especially the steps, and they will wan the port available asap I should imagine.

They are not bothering about that anywhere else though

They have flattened Khark'iv, and that is a hugely important political and historical site for Russia for its role in WWII

[Vegas Claret]

on the assumption that Putin will be charged with war crimes surely that closes 90% of the world off to him in the future ?

[Claretnick]

Reports of explosions in Odessa.

If Mykolaiv is taken, and it’s still an if as Ukraine have counterattacked, then the route to Odessa will open up.

I just wonder if we’ll see a softening up of Odessa in the next few days in preparation.

One to keep an eye on.

Saw this tweet about Mykolaiv airport earlier today.

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/sta ... CosV-ZmHsg

[elwaclaret]

They are not bothering about that anywhere else though

They have flattened Khark'iv, and that is a hugely important political and historical site for Russia for its role in WWII

I’m certainly not going to argue with you, they defy any logic; but surely even Russians understand the importance of protecting the Port it certainly beats driving them up from the Crimea by the look of the logistics.

[Lancasterclaret]

Russian deputy PM threatens to cut oil and gas supplies through Nordstream 1

All I'd say to that is whatever damage that does to us, its going to be far worse for them

[Nonayforever]

Russian deputy PM threatens to cut oil and gas supplies through Nordstream 1

All I'd say to that is whatever damage that does to us, its going to be far worse for them

That's what the Russian leadership do - threaten.
They are bullies and get their way by threatening. The West is now standing up to their threats and all of a sudden they are in uncharted territory.
If it could win them the war they would have done it.

[Lowbankclaret]

Russian deputy PM threatens to cut oil and gas supplies through Nordstream 1

All I'd say to that is whatever damage that does to us, its going to be far worse for them

Like I posted earlier.
The EU is looking to plan an 80% reduction in The EU buying Russian oil.

The only way Russia can fight that is to cut it off now. That puts economic pressure on now which the EU is trying to avoid.

Thing is if the EU is forced to move very quickly due to power cuts etc, I think it will succeed. Russia will just fail quicker.

[elwaclaret]

Sorry Lancaster think I got image blind scrolling back, if the footage is retweeted I put it up.

[Elbarad]

Quick question to our American Clarets , is the war getting the same coverage in the States as it is here ie wall to wall on the TV and newspapers, also is the vast majority of opinion as it is here absolute shock and disgust tinged with worry about nuclear escalation ?

Pretty much wall to wall coverage, yes I'd agree. I don't know anyone who's fearful of a nuclear escalation although the news I've watched is not ignoring that idea. Also I don't know anyone who's on the pro-russia side of the story. Everyone cheering the Ukrainians. Also don't know anyone in favor of no fly zone as they understand it would lead to direct confrontation with Russia.

Also, a lot of people who couldn't find the Ukraine on a map, so I'm sure they don't have any opinions anyway.

[TsarBomba]

Saw a figure quoted earlier that EU gas exports are worth $700M per day to Russia.

They can threaten all they want, but I just can’t see how they can go without that now.

[elwaclaret]

Good news from Mykolaiv, as counter attack succeeds.

https://twitter.com/militaryhistori/sta ... 05736?s=21

[Lancasterclaret]

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1500952134937894912

This is getting silly now

How on earth does a command post of a modern army got overrun in a counter attack so that a Major General is killed?

That shouldn't be anywhere near the front

[claretandbluesky]

The slightly ironic thing about nuclear deterrents is that it should allow the west to intervene.
Obviously the fear of an irrational act outweighs the obvious rationale of the deterrent.

[elwaclaret]

A very Irish attack on Dublin Russian Embassy

https://twitter.com/robertbohan/status/ ... 41601?s=21

[claretandbluesky]

The slightly ironic thing about nuclear deterrents is that it should allow the west to intervene.
Obviously the fear of an irrational act outweighs the obvious rationale of the deterrent.

[Spiral]

Did a bit of digging for the article where I read the $20b a-day figure

https://www.consultancy.eu/news/7433/re ... on-per-day

Some passages from the article

Shedding light into the true cost of the invasion on Russia’s war chest is one of the most debated topics. Injecting guidance into the debate, a new study by the Centre for Economic Recovery, consulting firm Civitta and EasyBusiness has delivered a rapid assessment of the costs of the war for the Russian economy, finding that – even according to the most conservative estimates – the country is bleeding money.

The direct losses from the war alone – including liquidated military equipment and casualties among personnel – have in the first 5 days cost Russia about $7 billion. Of this, the loss of human lives alone is forecast to account for $2.7 billion in lost GDP over the coming years.

Beyond this, the scale of the mobilisation – including its logistics, personnel, ammunition, fuel, rocket launches, and so on – will cost more money each day. As a result, according to the researchers, the daily cost of war for Russia is “likely to exceed $20 billion” as the invasion scales.

The headline says 20b euros, the article says dollars. Whether it's euros or dollars it's obscene.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

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