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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Spiral » Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:15 pm

Very interesting thread on the 'Z' symbol seen marked on Russian vehicles. I thought it was just for identification purposes, but it turns out it's part of a wider propaganda campaign designed to muster support in Russia for the not-a-war war. According to the thread the campaign isn't working very well.

https://twitter.com/irgarner/status/1500875002647822336

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:19 pm

Possessor of Strategic Studies at St. Andrews Universities take on the war.

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/sta ... 35296?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:32 pm

I see Twitter have missed the return of MFA Russian propaganda. A human shield or students gobbling off because a TV camera is pointing at them, who don’t look particularly threatened? You decide.

https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1 ... 71621?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:35 pm

Often overlooked in ‘Apple World’, but original PC giants IBM pull out of Russia.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/150 ... 94627?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:41 pm

So both sides of the political divide in the US have agreed on not buying Russian oil from now on.

Biden is allegedly undecided on weather to sign it. Why would that be

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tatus.html

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:43 pm

16,000 have joined the International Brigade in Ukraine, Reuters

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1500 ... 69067?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:52 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:41 pm
So both sides of the political divide in the US have agreed on not buying Russian oil from now on.

Biden is allegedly undecided on weather to sign it. Why would that be

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tatus.html
His election campaign vowed to end use of fissile fuels - he’s been wrestling against Republican pressure - since OPEC refused to up production he needs new Oil fields and hence the EXXON deal today; which we can assume is just the first - but they will take time to get up and running. He trying to reach a balance to minimise the impact, much like Europe - but I expect it to happen soon.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:05 am

Ukrainian Premier Zelenskiy to address the House of Commons later today.

https://twitter.com/reutersuk/status/15 ... 22496?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:21 am

elwaclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:52 pm
His election campaign vowed to end use of fissile fuels - he’s been wrestling against Republican pressure - since OPEC refused to up production he needs new Oil fields and hence the EXXON deal today; which we can assume is just the first - but they will take time to get up and running. He trying to reach a balance to minimise the impact, much like Europe - but I expect it to happen soon.
I watched the whole two weeks of COP in Glasgow.
I am big on green energy, but this turns it all on its head.
Just maybe this gets people to wake up.

Short term we go back to coal, other oil places etc. but perhaps it wakes people up to move faster to renewables .

If we had massive wind farms giving us our energy, No country could just turn it off, well as long as they cannot stop the wind blowing that is. Or with solar, stopping the sun shining.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:25 am

elwaclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:19 pm
Possessor of Strategic Studies at St. Andrews Universities take on the war.

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/sta ... 35296?s=21
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Re: Russia Invades

Post by G0foste » Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:33 am

Potential turning point for the West

https://bylinetimes.com/2022/03/04/coul ... QoKUWhIVi4
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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:34 am

NEXTA reporting Ukrainian Air Force report of Russian air loses. (Nexta is accurate, Ukrainian figures may be)

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/150 ... 97766?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Hipper » Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:39 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:02 pm
honestly I refuse to watch Cable TV over here. It's beyond political to the point I don't trust a single word either of the main channels say. I know that doesn't answer your question, maybe someone else will be able to say for sure but I would imagine it's wall to wall coverage
Yesterday's New York Times front page:

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/03 ... e/scan.pdf

Don't know how representative that is.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Hibsclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:41 am

G0foste wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:33 am
Potential turning point for the West

https://bylinetimes.com/2022/03/04/coul ... QoKUWhIVi4
Let’s hope so. Lots of good points in this article.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Hipper » Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:44 am

TsarBomba wrote:
Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:09 pm
https://twitter.com/ajenglish/status/15 ... 60739?s=21

Not sure if this link has been posted already, so apologies if it has.

During a pause in fighting, a news team were able to re-enter Kharkiv.

The devastation is vast.
He only showed about four streets where he stood. I agree it doesn't look good but where's the evidence that the 'devastation is vast'?

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Hibsclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:47 am

Hipper wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:39 am
Yesterday's New York Times front page:

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/03 ... e/scan.pdf

Don't know how representative that is.
If ever a picture tells a story with no words needed it’s that one on the front of the NY times. Let’s hope we can get the Klitchko brothers in a room with Putin for 5 minutes so that they can show him the photo and beat him to a pulp.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by fatboy47 » Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:48 am

G0foste wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:33 am
Potential turning point for the West

https://bylinetimes.com/2022/03/04/coul ... QoKUWhIVi4
Nothing we didn't know, but a well presented encapsulation of how we got here.
In short, just as with Hitler, our complicity, greed and naivety have made us the architects of this situation.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:52 am

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1501115916939055107

Ukrainian UAV (drone) photographing artillery strikes on Russian supply trucks

Clearly a huge target for the Ukrainians, and the damage being done to the Russian ability to move and fight is very significant

Thing is, only the military analysts at NATO will know how close the Russian supply system is to being incapable of supplying an advance (I think they will always have enough to maintain a defensive posture)

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Hipper » Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:01 am

elwaclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:35 pm
Often overlooked in ‘Apple World’, but original PC giants IBM pull out of Russia.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/150 ... 94627?s=21
Blimey. They effectively didn't pull out of Nazi Germany. See this excellent book:


https://www.amazon.co.uk/IBM-Holocaust- ... C61&sr=1-1

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:06 am

https://twitter.com/WarintheFuture/stat ... 5408652293

Very good analysis of the fighting in the south, where it is clearly much more dangerous for Ukraine than in the north (backs up Jarrowclarets stuff about logistics being better)

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by ClaretLoup » Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:42 am

Just to remind people what a bunch of lying toads the Russians are and how impossible they will be to deal with in trying to end this war as they live in some kind of alternate reality.

Remember the statement at the outbreak of the "Special Military Operation"?

- The Russian Defense Ministry has said that its forces are not attacking cities, key military infrastructures being its main targets. The civilian population is not at risk, the Defense Ministry said.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:47 am

ClaretLoup wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:42 am
Just to remind people what a bunch of lying toads the Russians are and how impossible they will be to deal with in trying to end this war as they live in some kind of alternate reality.

Remember the statement at the outbreak of the "Special Military Operation"?

- The Russian Defense Ministry has said that its forces are not attacking cities, key military infrastructures being its main targets. The civilian population is not at risk, the Defense Ministry said.
Quite right - and the reason the War Crimes Commission are sitting in The Hague.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by aggi » Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:47 am

I've seen NEXTA as a source quite a lot (on here and elsewhere). Any ideas how reliable it is?

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:53 am

NEXTA reporting that the Dutch are blocking access to all Russian media

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/150 ... 79430?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:55 am

… while Reuters, also running with the Dutch press conference, focus on the Dutch considering cutting of Russian energy supplies.

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1501 ... 53701?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:01 am

Civilians being evacuated from Sumy and Irpin Ahmed of an expected continuation of the attacks.

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1501 ... 08674?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:02 am

aggi wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:47 am
I've seen NEXTA as a source quite a lot (on here and elsewhere). Any ideas how reliable it is?
An Eastern European TV station - I don't know much more than that to be honest, but most of their stuff is taken from feeds from within Ukraine

There has to be some scepticism, but compared to the stuff being pumped out by the pro-Russia analysts and media its better

I can't stress this enough, there are accounts out there that are claiming to be independent verifications of the war and they are essentially just Russian propaganda machines

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:04 am

ClaretLoup wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:42 am
Just to remind people what a bunch of lying toads the Russians are and how impossible they will be to deal with in trying to end this war as they live in some kind of alternate reality.

Remember the statement at the outbreak of the "Special Military Operation"?

- The Russian Defense Ministry has said that its forces are not attacking cities, key military infrastructures being its main targets. The civilian population is not at risk, the Defense Ministry said.
This

How do you negotiate with people who can see reality in front of them but still lie about it

Russian UN delegate again claiming that Ukraine are shelling their own cities being a case in point

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:11 am

BBC report about the Russian veteran Major General being assassinated (as Lancaster reported yesterday in a post)

https://twitter.com/bbcworld/status/150 ... 73568?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:20 am

https://twitter.com/leonidragozin/statu ... 7829890050

Beginning of panic buying in Russian supermarkets

The huge difference I think between what happened in the West during the pandemic is that we all knew the food was there, it was just getting it to the supermarkets. In Russia, they won't be thinking that.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:21 am

More alternative reality from the Russians… they want to return to ‘peaceful co-existence’ with America, like they had in the Cold War… (where for younger viewers America and Russia fought each other in under developed countries around the world from the 1950’s - 1980’s and created much of the ill feeling and divided cultures we see today.)

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1501 ... 78691?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:28 am

Hipper wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:44 am
He only showed about four streets where he stood. I agree it doesn't look good but where's the evidence that the 'devastation is vast'?
I think we can assume devastation is vast ($10 Billions worth according to Ukrainian officials). Here’s a local showing the sites around her on Tik-Toc

https://twitter.com/bbcworld/status/150 ... 00904?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by NewClaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:51 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:52 am
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1501115916939055107

Ukrainian UAV (drone) photographing artillery strikes on Russian supply trucks

Clearly a huge target for the Ukrainians, and the damage being done to the Russian ability to move and fight is very significant

Thing is, only the military analysts at NATO will know how close the Russian supply system is to being incapable of supplying an advance (I think they will always have enough to maintain a defensive posture)
They have U’s or V’s on them though, not Z’s. Are they definitely not Ukrainian?

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:10 am

NEXTA on location with a Ukrainian partizans clearing out Russian forces

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/150 ... 75264?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:13 am

New York Times report that Ukrainian air defences are holding up to the test

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1501 ... 58180?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:17 am

NewClaret wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:51 am
They have U’s or V’s on them though, not Z’s. Are they definitely not Ukrainian?
Yeah, the letter "Z" is now the letter the Russians were using, but at the start they used "V" and "U" as well

Basically an easy way of identification for the marshalling areas for the attack

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Claretincraven » Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:18 am

elwaclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:24 pm
A very Irish attack on Dublin Russian Embassy

https://twitter.com/robertbohan/status/ ... 41601?s=21
I have been surprised for a while now that we haven’t seen any demonstrations out side the UK Russian Embassy.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:20 am

IN OTHER NEWS as the West looks to Ukraine, Ethiopia continues to have its own problems and look to be slipping towards another Ciivil War. The UN to start looking closely at war crimes in the conflict (the last one induced the famine of ‘Live Aid’ fame, once crops failed).

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1501 ... 93314?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by ClaretLoup » Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:22 am

elwaclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:28 am
I think we can assume devastation is vast ($10 Billions worth according to Ukrainian officials). Here’s a local showing the sites around her on Tik-Toc

https://twitter.com/bbcworld/status/150 ... 00904?s=21
More scenes from Kharkiv on this piece. Heartbreaking stuff, we've gone back nearly 100 years in two weeks. 2 million refugees and you can see why.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60657155
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Re: Russia Invades

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Re: Russia Invades

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:31 am

And just to prove how far Russia have shifted in world view, they offer their support for North Korean Nuclear testing

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1501 ... 91780?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:39 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:27 am
Extraordinary thread

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/statu ... 3113524229
Indeed, I’ve read some of his posts, but never looked into his credibility, which I agree stands up well. Further proof that there is a complete lack of co-ordinated thinking from the Russians.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:42 am

A rare funny side to the war. Russian soldiers had taken to having ‘come as you are’ parties in lifts (super safe places)… but the Ukrainians have retaliated by cutting of power trapping them in ‘lift cells’

https://twitter.com/militaryhistori/sta ... 94595?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:45 am

elwaclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:47 am
Quite right - and the reason the War Crimes Commission are sitting in The Hague.
This would be more than reasonable but maybe we should also be including; Saudi Arabia in Yemen, Syria in Syria, Israel against Palestians. China v all over China, US in Aphganistan, … etc, etc. Maybe some of these are already on the UN list but we should not just include those that are outside the sphere of NATO.
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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:52 am

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:45 am
This would be more than reasonable but maybe we should also be including; Saudi Arabia in Yemen, Syria in Syria, Israel against Palestians. China v all over China, US in Aphganistan, … etc, etc. Maybe some of these are already on the UN list but we should not just include those that are outside the sphere of NATO.
It was likely that reaction to Saudi Money (after Newcastle takeover) sloshing around London is what led to the tightening up against ‘dirty money’ that played an unexpected part in tipping Putin over the edge. Syria has been left alone because of their very close relationship to the Kremlin (I expect that to change). Yemen tbh I don’t know enough about to comment sensibly. But the Palestine/ Isreal conflict is a can of worms that I am unwilling to adjudicate. It is an on going problem, that no one expected when the states were first set up - Palestinians arrived from Jordan, Isreal became a recognised state… really no one belongs there.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:57 am

President Zelensky warns Russian soldiers they will be made to pay for their crimes against Ukraine. He will be addressing Westminster in a conference this afternoon (as we’ve mentioned before on this thread)

https://twitter.com/bbcworld/status/150 ... 64769?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:05 pm

In a follow up to the ‘holy mission’ attack in Ireland, Russia has summoned the Irish ambassador to the Kremlin.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/150 ... 07490?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Hipper » Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:10 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:45 am
This would be more than reasonable but maybe we should also be including; Saudi Arabia in Yemen, Syria in Syria, Israel against Palestians. China v all over China, US in Aphganistan, … etc, etc. Maybe some of these are already on the UN list but we should not just include those that are outside the sphere of NATO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... ry_to_date

Go down to about two fifths and you will see a list of their current investigations.

This is not the UN War Crimes Commission.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:12 pm

It’s his ultimate threat to us, and looks like he is threatening to play it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... arrel.html

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