Dyche out brigade…

[Lancasterclaret]

Yup pointless is exactly what we have been in last 3 games and goal less as well

Its three games

I mean, thanks for kinda making my point about over reactions for me though

[DCWat]

With the greatest respect, this board goes into meltdown everytime we lose a game at a level where it is becoming increasingly hard for a club our size to compete in

The discussions always end up the same way, with the same posters outdoing each other into claiming how bad we are and its more than a little tiresome

Actually, I don’t think this league is becoming increasingly hard for a club our size to compete in.

Had we had our ducks in a row, there was and is plenty of dross in the Premier League that would have meant at least survival was a reasonable aim.

If we go down this season, it’s not because the Premier League is too big for little Burnley, it’s because we’ve shot ourselves in the foot. We really really should not be going down this season.

[Barlickclaret]

Just got back from brentford, and upto now never wanted dyche out, and today is the lowest we have been for a while, but if he goes, there isn't a manager out there who could keep us up other than Sean dyche.

[Lancasterclaret]

Actually, I don’t think this league is becoming increasingly hard for a club our size to compete in.

Had we had our ducks in a row, there was and is plenty of dross in the Premier League that would have meant at least survival was a reasonable aim.

If we go down this season, it’s not because the Premier League is too big for little Burnley, it’s because we’ve shot ourselves in the foot. We really really should not be going down this season.

Every season, we have a team that can finish between 12th-20th

Superior defensive organisation and an ability to grind out results has kept us up and might well keep us up this season

But the league is getting harder for teams like ours to compete in

Should we go down this season?

Probably shouldn't do, with us actually investing, but we've made too many mistakes in crucial games and that is what relegates you

[FCBurnley]

Its three games

I mean, thanks for kinda making my point about over reactions for me though

No over reaction. Just facts.

[Lancasterclaret]

No over reaction. Just facts.

Okay

Facts and an over reaction

Would ask for a manager to get sacked after losing three games normally?

No (well, people might on here!)

If we go down, if we stay up then we can talk about it at the end of the season

The idea that someone is going to come in and suddenly guarantee what SD has managed for six straight seasons is a fantasy

[boatshed bill]

The idea that someone is going to come in and suddenly guarantee what SD has managed for six straight seasons is a fantasy

This is, of course, correct.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I actually think all the noises that come from the owners suggests they back him and that there’s almost no chance they fire him. Pace has literally been full of praise in every presser for him, from the first one he did saying he hopes they work together for a very long time, to dishing out a new 4 year contract despite just 1 win all season recently. In his programme notes and social media he’s always full of praise after a decent result.

Also, If Dyche is on a reported 80k a week it would likely cost up to £10m to sack him now, perhaps if we go down there’s a clause that reduces his contract significantly, which in turn reduces that cost.

They can say as much as they like in public.

I suspect they are aware more than most that relegation effectively means there investment is worth a tenth of what they purchased it for. If they are a businessman as we are regularly told on this board they will certainly to be reviewing Dyches position.

[FCBurnley]

Okay

Facts and an over reaction

Would ask for a manager to get sacked after losing three games normally?

No (well, people might on here!)

If we go down, if we stay up then we can talk about it at the end of the season

The idea that someone is going to come in and suddenly guarantee what SD has managed for six straight seasons is a fantasy

I simply stated that we have got no points and scored no goals in our last 3 games. Where did I say or even insinuate that Dyche should be sacked. As usual you are making things up.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Okay

Facts and an over reaction

Would ask for a manager to get sacked after losing three games normally?

No (well, people might on here!)

If we go down, if we stay up then we can talk about it at the end of the season

The idea that someone is going to come in and suddenly guarantee what SD has managed for six straight seasons is a fantasy

I would also argue the points people keep making saying no other manager can come in and do better is just ridiculous.

[boatshed bill]

They can say as much as they like in public.

I suspect they are aware more than most that relegation effectively means there investment is worth a tenth of what they purchased it for. If they are a businessman as we are regularly told on this board they will certainly to be reviewing Dyches position.

Have they spent any of their own money yet?

[Lancasterclaret]

I simply stated that we have got no points and scored no goals in our last 3 games. Where did I say or even insinuate that Dyche should be sacked. As usual you are making things up.

*Sighs*

I'm not bothered mate, so I'll say what I say to every one else who comes at me on here with stuff like that

I'll just block you

Life is just too short

[Newcastleclaret93]

Have they spent any of their own money yet?

According to many on here yes.

But I guess we won’t know until everything is out in the public domain.

[Lancasterclaret]

I would also argue the points people keep making saying no other manager can come in and do better is just ridiculous.

That is of course your opinion

I'm happy to change a manager at the end of a season to see if he can do better, but I have never seen the point in teams changing managers whose success rate speaks for itself

[Wile E Coyote]

dyche out brigade are clueless, same as the ones who berate dwight week in week out.
There is so little point trying to argue with them. same old mantra, he's ****, and so is so and so, sack dyche, blah, blah, blah . Jesus !!! simpletons with no knowledge about football.

[Wokingclaret]

The old Dyche would win these games, he's gone, probably no longer listening to his friends watching these games!

[Burnleyareback2]

I’m pretty confident that IF we are relegated and lose Dyche- we will end up burning through several managers in quick succession.

The biggest advantage we have to be promoted is to stick

[Newcastleclaret93]

That is of course your opinion

I'm happy to change a manager at the end of a season to see if he can do better, but I have never seen the point in teams changing managers whose success rate speaks for itself

Our managers current success rate is the lowest amount of wins out every single club in the country over the last 15 months.

Dyche is a good manager but it’s gone stale, Dyche or the owners will have to do something dramatic to change our fortunes.

[Barlickclaret]

I would also argue the points people keep making saying no other manager can come in and do better is just ridiculous.

Who?????

[Wokingclaret]

I’m pretty confident that IF we are relegated and lose Dyche- we will end up burning through several managers in quick succession.

The biggest advantage we have to be promoted is to stick

But only if he thinks he can

[Devils_Advocate]

With the greatest respect, this board goes into meltdown everytime we lose a game at a level where it is becoming increasingly hard for a club our size to compete in

The discussions always end up the same way, with the same posters outdoing each other into claiming how bad we are and its more than a little tiresome

With the greatest respect this thread was started on the back of a few wins when some posters decided to use it to have a go at fellow fans who have a different opinion

It works both ways and there's as many people who go overboard after a win or two and post nonsense as there are when we lose a few. I find them equally tiresome as both stifle any sensible discussion

[Newcastleclaret93]

Who?????

Your telling me you don’t think there is a single manager on the planet that can’t get more wins from the next 11 games than Dyche?

[Indecisive]

Still stand by this thread.

That jay rod shot goes in… or the McNeill header… or cornet finishes one of his chances and the rate the player thread would be completely different and no one would be calling for Dyches head.

Fans in general overreact so quickly to a couple of bad results.

We may go down, we may yet stay up… either of those happen and it doesn’t change the fact that Dyche is the best thing to happen to Burnley in my lifetime.

The game today today was no where near as bad as has been made out.

[Wokingclaret]

Still stand by this thread.

That jay rod shot goes in… or the McNeill header… or cornet finishes one of his chances and the rate the player thread would be completely different and no one would be calling for Dyches head.

Fans in general overreact so quickly to a couple of bad results.

We may go down, we may yet stay up… either of those happen and it doesn’t change the fact that Dyche is the best thing to happen to Burnley in my lifetime.

The game today today was no where near as bad as has been made out.

None went in though did they and that's nearly been the story for all the games

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Still stand by this thread.

That jay rod shot goes in… or the McNeill header… or cornet finishes one of his chances and the rate the player thread would be completely different and no one would be calling for Dyches head.

Fans in general overreact so quickly to a couple of bad results.

We may go down, we may yet stay up… either of those happen and it doesn’t change the fact that Dyche is the best thing to happen to Burnley in my lifetime.

The game today today was no where near as bad as has been made out.

If if if the story of our season.

[Wile E Coyote]

Still stand by this thread.

That jay rod shot goes in… or the McNeill header… or cornet finishes one of his chances and the rate the player thread would be completely different and no one would be calling for Dyches head.

Fans in general overreact so quickly to a couple of bad results.

We may go down, we may yet stay up… either of those happen and it doesn’t change the fact that Dyche is the best thing to happen to Burnley in my lifetime.

The game today today was no where near as bad as has been made out.

spot on, a few inches lower, rodriguez scores goal of the season, and all the moaning minnies would either say nowt, or claim sean needs a ten year contact.

[Wokingclaret]

spot on, a few inches lower, rodriguez scores goal of the season, and all the moaning minnies would either say nowt, or claim sean needs a ten year contact.

My god man, you need to beat the teams around you to stay up, we have messed them all up.

BTW Missed chances don't win games, that's the basis of a Dyche's defence, do enough to make them miss.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

spot on, a few inches lower, rodriguez scores goal of the season, and all the moaning minnies would either say nowt, or claim sean needs a ten year contact.

He didn’t score though so a totally pointless argument. If McNeil hadn’t missed another sitter, if Tarkowski hadn’t cleared their chance off the line etc etc.

[KRBFC]

Would ask for a manager to get sacked after losing three games normally?

I'm not asking for Dyche to get sacked at all but losing 3 games? We haven't lost 3 games, this has been a horrible run lasting almost 2 years.

[Wile E Coyote]

He didn’t score though so a totally pointless argument. If McNeil hadn’t missed another sitter, if Tarkowski hadn’t cleared their chance off the line etc etc.

no he didn't, but doubtless you'll be giving nines out of tens on players performances and denying you ever criticised come the end of the season, unless you can find a big enough stone to scurry under.

[CoolClaret]

‘If Jay scored’, ‘if Cornet scored’

They didn’t and we don’t create many chances because of the way we’re set up and when we play % hoofball guff.

That’s down to Dyche - we had the formula and relinquished it for this % football rubbish.

Can’t believe some posters can’t see that we’re literally at the bottom of the table for points gained in a full calendar year and think Dyche should be exempt from criticism - we were playing Brentford today not frigging Barcelona.

If we can’t take the game to Brentford let’s just give up now

[KlyBfc]

I have just crawled into bed and I can safely say there isn’t 3 worse Teams than us/


We are atrocious

[Claret3495]

Sticking by it?

yeah

[Wile E Coyote]

‘If Jay scored’, ‘if Cornet scored’

They didn’t and we don’t create many chances because of the way we’re set up and when we play % hoofball guff.

That’s down to Dyche - we had the formula and relinquished it for this % football rubbish.

Can’t believe some posters can’t see that we’re literally at the bottom of the table for points gained in a full calendar year and think Dyche should be exempt from criticism - we were playing Brentford today not frigging Barcelona.

If we can’t take the game to Brentford let’s just give up now

an away game at brentford, and as a premier league opponent, you really are surprised that another team won at home. maybe you should start watching wrestling in america if you want certainty and wins every week.

[arise_sir_charge]

Got to admire Lancaster suggesting this is all about 3 games, it isn’t, we’ve been shite for nearly two years and the man who makes the decisions is to blame. When a change is forced on him we flourish but he simply cannot help himself but to bring back his old mates.

Also all the talk about “had Jay’s shot been an inch lower”….tell me how many goals are scored from that distance in the premier league each year??

Hanging our hats on someone scoring a 40 yard screamer tells you just how terrible we are in front of goal!

[Vegas Claret]

an away game at brentford, and as a premier league opponent, you really are surprised that another team won at home. maybe you should start watching wrestling in america if you want certainty and wins every week.

you are on a mission tonight

[Blatherwickstattoo]

Just got back from brentford, and upto now never wanted dyche out, and today is the lowest we have been for a while, but if he goes, there isn't a manager out there who could keep us up other than Sean dyche.

How do you know ??? Was there a better manger to take us up then him when we appointed him? ?? Probably yes .. balance your argument out

[joey13]

Still stand by this thread.

That jay rod shot goes in… or the McNeill header… or cornet finishes one of his chances and the rate the player thread would be completely different and no one would be calling for Dyches head.

Fans in general overreact so quickly to a couple of bad results.

We may go down, we may yet stay up… either of those happen and it doesn’t change the fact that Dyche is the best thing to happen to Burnley in my lifetime.

The game today today was no where near as bad as has been made out.

Couple of bad results we’ve won 3 in 27

[Spijed]

Because of the financial constraints on the club there is a very good chance that If SD leaves many who post on here won't be around the next time we reach the top flight again as we could be looking at quite a few years if not decades.

Be careful what you wish for.

[Lancasterclaret]

Got to admire Lancaster suggesting this is all about 3 games, it isn’t, we’ve been shite for nearly two years and the man who makes the decisions is to blame. When a change is forced on him we flourish but he simply cannot help himself but to bring back his old mates.

Also all the talk about “had Jay’s shot been an inch lower”….tell me how many goals are scored from that distance in the premier league each year??

Hanging our hats on someone scoring a 40 yard screamer tells you just how terrible we are in front of goal!

Er, well, its clearly not only about three games, and its clearly not been much fun for about three years, and its clearly looking like we are going down

My point really is that there is no one better than our current manager to get us out of this

I think its fanciful (and that is being polite) that someone else can come in and magically turn us into a team that will stay up

The same issues that SD has will be very apparent to a new manager as well sadly

[Pommieclaret]

Let's say what if Leeds carry on on their terrible run as we are only 2 points behind with a game in hand are relegated and we stay up. What happens next season????

[Colburn_Claret]

I said 3 months ago, that we have a winning team, but SD can't pick it.
The man whp doesn't like changing the team, has started to do just that.
Max or Jay alongside WW.
Max or Dwight on the left
Westy or Jack in the middle.

We've shown that when we get the right balanced team on the pitch, we are a force, BUT we have to play football. Ball on the deck, through the channels, triangles to get a winger down the line behind defenders, decent crosses, and most importantly bodies in the box to meet them.

The problem these last 3 games, alone, is we are carrying Dwight and Westwood. Dwight is so shot of confidence, he needs benching for his own sake. The problems are all in his head, and if SD can't get him to calm down and deal with the pressure, then he'll be another massive talent that goes to waste. I really like the lad, but as much as I like him he can't go on fluffing his lines on the big stage, not when we have a more than decent replacement.
Westy isn't a confidence problem. To be honest I don't know where it's all gone wrong. I was gutted when he was injured, worried about Jack coming in, and couldn't wait for his return. Only Jack did a great job, not just for himself, but by bringing the best out of Brownhill. Westy finally returns, and all the good football goes out the window. Hoofball returns, the passing to feet goes, the running dips, and the confidence in the team just disappears.

Yesterday was like Leeds and Newcastle away. We didn't get beat because the other team was better than us, we beat ourselves with our tactics in the match, and after Leeds and Newcastle you could see yesterday's result coming long before the 84th minute.


It's very rare I call SD, but yesterday he got it wrong, in team selection and style of play. I worry that he can't see it.

I certainly don't want him out, but he does need to sit down and question himself. There is a winning team there, and a better style of football that will bear fruit. He just needs to see it.

[BurnleyFC]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I believe that Sean Dyche probably is the best man to lead us in the Championship - if he’s 100% committed to the cause.

If he isn’t then I would hope we’ve already got a short list drawn up and we need to part ways once the season ends.

[BurnleyFC]

Er, well, its clearly not only about three games, and its clearly not been much fun for about three years, and its clearly looking like we are going down

My point really is that there is no one better than our current manager to get us out of this

I think its fanciful (and that is being polite) that someone else can come in and magically turn us into a team that will stay up

The same issues that SD has will be very apparent to a new manager as well sadly

I 100% believe that we can play better football than we currently do. We’re stale from top to bottom, there’s no two ways about it. There’s no guarantee that our results will be any better, but they’re hardly great as it is anyway.

I’d liken it to the almost overnight change in performances when Coyle replaced Cotterill. Same personnel but world’s apart in terms of entertainment.

[arise_sir_charge]

It’s a nonsense to suggest there is only one manager who can get results with our players. It suggests he’s better than every other manager. He isn’t.

[Denno97]

If Dyche did leave at the end of the season where would he end up. Don’t think he would get a Prem job(maybe an Everton if they’re struggling financially) but it would probably be a step down from us

[Devils_Advocate]

If Dyche did leave at the end of the season where would he end up. Don’t think he would get a Prem job(maybe an Everton if they’re struggling financially) but it would probably be a step down from us

I think he would do what Howe did and not rush into a new job and wait for the right job to come along. I think if he was patient then he would definitely get another Premier League job.

Just look at the Premier League jobs that came up for grabs this season and I've no doubt had Dyche been without club he'd have been a strong contender for a good few of them

[brexit]

So is Brexit!

Clever a dual attack on a poster and a successful political event in one sentence - no need to state anything original

[brexit]

It’s a nonsense to suggest there is only one manager who can get results with our players. It suggests he’s better than every other manager. He isn’t.

I think Dyche is past his sell by date and we need a new manager. I don't want him ditched now because I believe his whole backroom staff would go with him.
He needs to go but we do need to recognise this club has been refashioned in his image a new manager would have deal with the Dyche culture at the club.
When he is eventually replaced we need to face the fact that for 2 or 3 years we maybe mid table championship whilst we rebuild the team and change the infrastructure - Arsenal and Man U show that teams can have issues after losing long-term influential managers

[claret2018]

If we stay up is anyone happy with another season of turgid, awful football week in week out?