canary versus MIGHTY CLARETS

[claretblue]

Sky just gave Ben Gibson man if match!
…oh the irony!

[PremierLeagueClass]

Got to feel sorry for Dyche, deserves better than this. Previous ownership have caused this.

[Jimmymaccer]

First time I’ve seen them in the flesh since the pandemic. We are nowhere near premier league standard. Awful.

You at the match P?………

And still time to post such is the action

[BLH_Claret]

Pathetic strawman and disingenuous failure of reading comprehension.
I said who is better. If you want a change it's on you to make the case as to who is better and why.

Actually that is the boards job, I’ve never heard of a club where it’s on the fans to decide who could do a better job. I get it you’re upset, you know your poster boy is going to get some criticism on here tonight but tomorrow’s another day. Dry your eyes.

[kentonclaret]

2 games played against the bottom side failing to score even a single goal or register a win.

I wonder if Sean Dyche will be honest enough after the match to admit "We just don't know how to win away from home"?

Same old story as last season when we were in the bottom 3 sides in the goal scoring department.

[RVclaret]

People who throw fits at an admittedly disastrous performance calling to sack the manager, who never offer any substance to their arguments and just resort to "Nope" or angry negativity, and don't have the guts to put a case forward for a replacement are cretins,yes.
I'm open to the idea of a change of manager if someone can suggest a realistic candidate that's better. If not, what the hell are they achieving beyond piling on negativity and pressure at a time the club is already facing crisis?

1. There’s plenty of threads where people, myself included, have offered several names. 2. There’s plenty of threads where posters have provided substance to why he’s been getting the team wrong

[claretandy]

He will throw Cornet under the bus...

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Their getting schooled by Norwich lol

[claretgimmer]

A local pub team manager would have made a better effort for this match than the three stooges, Dyche, Woan, Stone. Clear the decks and start again, I already have my season ticket for next year but genuinely can`t see me attending many matches if Dyche & Co are still in charge.

[BLH_Claret]

Got to feel sorry for Dyche, deserves better than this. Previous ownership have caused this.

Good grief, stop making excuses for him. This is on him and no one else.

[KRBFC]

pathetic dive from Mcneil

[NickBFC]

People who throw fits at an admittedly disastrous performance calling to sack the manager, who never offer any substance to their arguments and just resort to "Nope" or angry negativity, and don't have the guts to put a case forward for a replacement are cretins,yes.
I'm open to the idea of a change of manager if someone can suggest a realistic candidate that's better. If not, what the hell are they achieving beyond piling on negativity and pressure at a time the club is already facing crisis?

Who will be hiring a new manager? The poster on here, or Pace?

[claretburns]

I’m guessing your lapping up Dyche ball then ?

Absolutely not but to say this team is worse than the team we had in Division 4 is pathetic and laughable.

[Zlatan]

Chalk and cheese.

Wednesday night, we didn’t play brilliantly but the hearts were on the sleeves and the passion was there. Today - nothing. I genuinely don’t understand how the same players can do that

[FCBurnley]

I will let my marks do the talking. Feel so sorry fir the fans who travelled to watch that. Embarrassing for all concerned

[PremierLeagueClass]

Good grief, stop making excuses for him. This is on him and no one else.

Lack of understanding…

[THEWELLERNUT70]

So let's have a look at the results since Westwood was immediately brought back into the team at the expense on an inform Cork

P 6 W1 D0 L5 failed to score in 5

[spt_claret]

My mum.

Retired hairdresser so lacking experience but would struggle to do worse than this. And about £5,999,000 a year cheaper.

And this is exactly what I'm talking about.
People think wannabe witty quips are a substitute for putting an argument forward.
Everyone's happy to criticise Dyche when we're woeful- which we have been many times this season- but not many actually make a serious suggestion for a replacement.
We're a club in crisis, we're facing a huge undertaking this summer even if by a miracle we stop up. A change of manager doesn't historically do well at crisis clubs, and Dyche has a perfect promotion record for full championship season with us. It's a must to bounce back if financial claims are true,and I'm not sure who there is available who isnt a bigger risk bet. Maybe some people here are. But most just want to snipe.

[Stu]

I am disgusted with a performance like that in such a winnable game .

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Absolutely not but to say this team is worse than the team we had in Division 4 is pathetic and laughable.

At least the division four team could pass a football to each other, we’ve embarrassed ourselves today

[warksclaret]

Why is everybody so wound up about that performance. That is the true Burnley you have just seen and if you were expecting more it would have been a mini miracle. Just not got the class or the tactics to stay in this division

[elwaclaret]

Now I’m worried, we were tense and nervous in a game we needed to win. Hard to see us putting that run together now, but where there is life there remains hope. Hopefully the pressure will lift bizarrely and we can get some freedom back after blowing another chance to build something. We need to show a chin we have lacked all season. Really glad I don’t have that trip home.

[Funkydrummer]

Spare a moment for those who travelled down there.

[Stu]

Why is everybody so wound up about that performance. That is the true Burnley you have just seen and if you were expecting more it would have been a mini miracle. Just not got the class or the tactics to stay in this division

Unfortunately that’s true

[spt_claret]

Who will be hiring a new manager? The poster on here, or Pace?

Already addressed this. If you know enough to insist you have better tactics and selection and Dyche needs to go you can surely offer a replacement. I've repeatedly said I'm open to the idea if people have a good name. But keep on criticising without suggesting a thing, I'm sure that's really going to help the club and team.

[FCBurnley]

No doubt Pace will already have the parachute money promised to the bank !!!

[Burnley1989]

So let's have a look at the results since Westwood was immediately brought back into the team at the expense on an inform Cork

P 6 W1 D0 L5 failed to score in 5

Got to agree mate, ****** off about that one

[ksrclaret]

People who throw fits at an admittedly disastrous performance calling to sack the manager, who never offer any substance to their arguments and just resort to "Nope" or angry negativity, and don't have the guts to put a case forward for a replacement are cretins,yes.
I'm open to the idea of a change of manager if someone can suggest a realistic candidate that's better. If not, what the hell are they achieving beyond piling on negativity and pressure at a time the club is already facing crisis?

Shush now troll

[gtclaret]

We lack the skill and pace to be creative. The lack of investment over the last few years has left us with a squad incapable of playing any other way. This was always going to happen, it was a question of when. If SD has the backing he requested time and time again and we still were playing like this, then I would be firmly in the Dyche out camp, as it is, our former Chairman has a lot to answer for

[JimmyRobbo]

He will throw Cornet under the bus...

I don't think he will.

He may mention it but will defend him, too. Because that is the right thing to do. It was an unbelievable miss and we would probably not have lost had he scored. It isn't his fault, we would have been getting out of jail if he did score.

[warksclaret]

That was a shambles all round. I saw SD call for Woan and Stone at the quarter stage to get their views. Woan had a lot to say. Stones was chewing gum and headphones on, did not say a word. For all I know he could have been listening to the local radio

[ClaretTony]

Not much comment from me other than to say it was dire from start to finish. No desire, we did not look like a team fighting to stay in this league.

[Volvoclaret]

Quite looking forward to next season, lots of local derbies, Blackpool, Preston etc.
And season after, Accy, Morecambe and Fleetwood.

[Tribesmen]

The ups and downs of football , park it and move on

[thelaughingclaret]

Got to feel sorry for Dyche, deserves better than this. Previous ownership have caused this.

Don’t blame the previous owners for Dyche being tactically inept and also not being able to motivate his squad after a massive win in midweek playing against bottom of the table in the most important game of the season.
Dyche has done well for us but them days have long gone.

[BLH_Claret]

Already addressed this. If you know enough to insist you have better tactics and selection and Dyche needs to go you can surely offer a replacement. I've repeatedly said I'm open to the idea if people have a good name. But keep on criticising without suggesting a thing, I'm sure that's really going to help the club and team.

Carlos Corberan. Next question.

[Conroy92]

Already addressed this. If you know enough to insist you have better tactics and selection and Dyche needs to go you can surely offer a replacement. I've repeatedly said I'm open to the idea if people have a good name. But keep on criticising without suggesting a thing, I'm sure that's really going to help the club and team.

Can you give me a reason as to why Dyche should stay? It sounds like your basically saying let's put up with shite for fear of attracting shite?

[BLH_Claret]

The ups and downs of football , park it and move on

Is that you Sean?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

We lack the skill and pace to be creative. The lack of investment over the last few years has left us with a squad incapable of playing any other way. This was always going to happen, it was a question of when. If SD has the backing he requested time and time again and we still were playing like this, then I would be firmly in the Dyche out camp, as it is, our former Chairman has a lot to answer for

I wouldn’t trust him with a budget if he believes Westwood’s hoofs are the answer to our problems, who’s to say he wouldnt just buy even more defenders and neglect centre mid constantly

[spt_claret]

1. There’s plenty of threads where people, myself included, have offered several names. 2. There’s plenty of threads where posters have provided substance to why he’s been getting the team wrong

Do you have a link? Because all I ever see is people saying to sack him then mocking, insulting or saying "I'm just a fan" or "go look it up" when asked.
It's a problem I see on the internet constantly but our fans have gotten terrible for it.

Actually that is the boards job, I’ve never heard of a club where it’s on the fans to decide who could do a better job. I get it you’re upset, you know your poster boy is going to get some criticism on here tonight but tomorrow’s another day. Dry your eyes.

You take it as your job to do everything else from the forums. And sometimes I even agree with people who want a team change- already said I want to see us back to Pieters/Mee/Cork in but injuries prohibit that now.
He's not my poster boy. I have previously wondered if it was time when there seemed to be others available. Right now I draw a blank.
I sometimes think some fans want us to lose just to have a chance to moan. The club has become toxic since we sank out of Europe.

[Goalposts]

I think weve been poor tactically all season and too inflexible in our style. Today was definitely a day for 3 centre Mid’s we know that’s were we are most exposed , but this would require us changing formation and genuinely understanding our shortfalls. It seems we assumed we would get 3 pts today exactly like we did at Brentford. Just poor tactics - understanding and inflexibility

[clive40golf]

Think Dyche got all the tactics wrong today, players lacked confidence in the tactics, and it showed. We were still playing long balls in when we had three forwards after Wout was taken off who are all rather small. Charlie Taylor was looking bewildered at his team mates who seem to have lost all heart.
I’m a Dyche fan but found today totally frustrating.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I said if we didn’t strengthen centre mid in January we would go down , we are just too powder puff in there, Westwood & Brownhill are not good enough full stop .

Why can’t Cork get a game ? It’s mind boggling .

[Newcastleclaret93]

Carlos Corberan. Next question.

This is a manager we should be targeting along with Neil Critchley

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Ted Lasso would do a job

[Jimmymaccer]

Not much comment from me other than to say it was dire from start to finish. No desire, we did not look like a team fighting to stay in this league.

As ever CT

Correct and to the point.

Safe trip back all those who went.

[spt_claret]

Can you give me a reason as to why Dyche should stay? It sounds like your basically saying let's put up with shite for fear of attracting shite?

He has a proven record in the Championship which is more than any replacement is likely to have.
He is used to working with small budgets and trying to get the most out of limited resources- this scenario is unlikely to change especially if relegated and losing players in which case it may be worsened, many managers out there are either inexperienced at a higher level or used to having comparatively good resources for their level.
A significant number of former players who have either previously had good careers or gone on to better things single him out for praise- suggesting that for all our current problems there's clearly something about him that earns respect.
Change for the sake of change with no clear plan is as bad as sticking to same old same old out of habit.
I do believe the club is in crisis and needs a drastic refresh of the playing staff.
I do believe Dyche can be overly inflexible, loyal, or slow to change- although I also believe that our on pitch display is often a result of player limitations as much as any tactical issues.
I do believe that if we were in a more stable position financially or league wise, or there was a clear cut candidate out there, it could be time to refresh manager
I don't think any of the three conditions is satisfied.
I'm saying that sacking Dyche could easily be out of the frying pan into the fire.

[claretgimmer]

Having OOC players playing for a team in a match to stay in a division that will probably see them out of a job is like putting Dracula in charge of the blood bank, accept our fate and start giving some of the young lads a run out especially any promising midfielders.

[Awayfromburnley]

Having OOC players playing for a team in a match to stay in a division that will probably see them out of a job is like putting Dracula in charge of the blood bank, accept our fate and start giving some of the young lads a run out especially any promising midfielders.

Absolutely agree and is an absolute strategic failure.

[Zlatan]

He will throw Cornet under the bus...

Is that the same Cornet who scored the winner and secured 3 points last week?

Just checking…