Dyche is still the man for the job without a shadow of doubt.

[BurnleyFC]

He’s been beyond superb for us, but the end of the season is probably the correct time to part ways, however sad that might be. All good things must come to an end, unfortunately.

I actually think there’s more chance than ever that he’d have his head turned next season anyway. Some of the big Championship jobs that inevitably come up will be very appealing to him.

[Shaggy]

What’s all this talk about a statue? He’s won the championship title on 10 years… that’s it and we’ve scruffier our way to premier league survival. A statue for mediocrity.

Let’s put it into perspective here, Owen Coyles promotion ( Wembley ) was a better achievement than anything Dyche has served up.

The Europe season was down to numerous teams in transition and us getting a bit more luck with the percentages. Nothing more.

[RVclaret]

The OP is convinced that Pep and Klopp would have struggled at Burnley for the same reasons Dyche has.

He obviously believes that a lack of tactical awareness from the manager has not been a contributing factor in the team struggling to win key games and score goals.

It’s absolutely mind blowing that there are actual fans that genuinely think no other manager in the world couldn’t do better. I mean, the op even lists the worlds best managers. It’s staggering.

[Newcastleclaret93]

It’s absolutely mind blowing that there are actual fans that genuinely think no other manager in the world couldn’t do better. I mean, the op even lists the worlds best managers. It’s staggering.

If no manager in world football can do better than 14 wins in two years then something is seriously wrong.

[RVclaret]

If no manager in world football can do better than 14 wins in two years then something is seriously wrong.

Im just trying to wrap my head around the thought process of someone (or a group of people judging by the amount of likes the op got) that actually thinks Pep / Klopp wouldn’t do any better.

I think that’s the most brainwashed, deluded comment I’ve seen.

[Jakubclaret]

If no manager in world football can do better than 14 wins in two years then something is seriously wrong.

How the hell that’s acceptable in some quarters beggars belief.

[burnleymik]

Arsene Wenger, Jose Mourinho, Antoni Conte, Mareclo Bielsa - just 4 examples with me giving it zero thought of managers who did superb jobs but eventually left their jobs because it started to go wrong. It's football, it happens. I'm not arsed if Dyche stays or goes, I'll not lose sleep either way but the football is dreadful far more than it isn't.

there is a flip side to that too.... Moyes, Viera, Potter, Lage etc.

I like Dyche, he is a good manager without a doubt and I don't believe anyone could come in and have us playing like world beaters, but I would just be happy to see some entertaining football, some different tactics and some fresh ideas. I also believe the best time would be now, whilst we still have the draw of the Premier League to our name.

[pushpinpussy]

i love dyche and I'm never negative towards him or the team, however, i think this Burnley team will finish bottom of the league this year. we just don't have that quality in the final third and the majority of our players have already peaked and are on a downward spiral. i want the club to stick with him, back him and hopefully we will come back a lot stronger. UTC

[Jamesy]

yes, that's how it works. I'll reverse my opinions based on what someone said on the players ratings.

You are not going to reverse your opinions whatever anyone says. You have nailed your flag firmly to the mast.

[Sproggy]

Imagine telling someone ten years ago… a manager is going to come in, take us into the premier league, ultimately lead us to 6 consecutive seasons at the top level, including qualifying for a European competition and two top ten finishes. Imagine telling that person that after doing this, there will be Burnley fans who aren’t convinced of Dyche as a manager to the extent ‘the jury is still out’.

It’s bonkers. I guess it’s typical of football fans. But it is bonkers.

Imagine telling someone ten years ago that despite getting into the Premier League with all it's riches that we'd end with 5 wins in 15 months, the highest wage bill we've ever had, the oldest squad in the league, likely relegation with a whimper and a style of football that's almost unwatchable, yet there are still Burnley fans who won't hear a word said against the manager.

[bfcjg]

What's the point in going to any premier league team as a youth player, odds are even if you're quality you're more likely to be sold than get a run in the first team.

At this level when every game has such huge stakes we simply do not have the time or luxury to give youth players minutes just to see if they can handle it at this level. Our very identity is about veteran players who've been there and done it, not lads who've only encountered most of the teams we face on FIFA.

So we stick with Westwood Barnes etc etc ?

[Rombald]

The usual 10 or so individuals on this messagboard after a defeat make it a horrible place.

[kentonclaret]

Im just trying to wrap my head around the thought process of someone (or a group of people judging by the amount of likes the op got) that actually thinks Pep / Klopp wouldn’t do any better.

I think that’s the most brainwashed, deluded comment I’ve seen.

People are quite happy to post their views on this message board that managers of the calibre of Pep and Klopp would struggle at Burnley safe in the knowledge that such a scenario would never be put to the test. Other posters then seem happy to accept that view as fact. When of course, in reality, it is just nonsense. I may hold the view that Dyche would struggle to win PL titles or European Cups at Liverpool or Manchester City, knowing that is another scenario that will never take place.

[Indecisive]

What’s all this talk about a statue? He’s won the championship title on 10 years… that’s it and we’ve scruffier our way to premier league survival. A statue for mediocrity.

Let’s put it into perspective here, Owen Coyles promotion ( Wembley ) was a better achievement than anything Dyche has served up.

The Europe season was down to numerous teams in transition and us getting a bit more luck with the percentages. Nothing more.

Jesus Christ.

It’s pure, pure garbage. We finished in the top half of the best league in the world… twice. With literally a fraction of the resources of all the teams around us.

Mediocrity? If we do go down and part ways I strongly suggest you don’t stay around for the next 6 years, because it’s much much more likely they are going to be a lot more mediocre than the previous 6.

[eastcoastclaret]

Some fans are just delusional. If Dyche was going to turn this around, it woud have happened by now. This is not a 3 game bad streak we are talking about. We are going down without a fight and saying give him until the end of the season is just madness.
The only possible chance of staying up is with an immediate change of management and giving the players the freedom to play football.

[RVclaret]

The usual 10 or so individuals on this messagboard after a defeat make it a horrible place.

Do you ever actually contribute anything aside from criticising others comments? Most baffling poster on here.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Dyche deserves better than some of the comments on here especially the ones deriding the achievements of promotions and two top ten finishes in the Premier League.

[RVclaret]

Dyche deserves better than some of the comments on here especially the ones deriding the achievements of promotions and two top ten finishes in the Premier League.

Agree, outstanding achievements and what he has done for our club across the years is incredible. Deserves more respect than some show, that’s for sure. However a change of voice, tactics and direction could be what is needed now. 14 wins in 68 games while playing horrid football - it would be perplexing if questions weren’t asked of the management.

[BLH_Claret]

Dyche deserves better than some of the comments on here especially the ones deriding the achievements of promotions and two top ten finishes in the Premier League.

You take the credit for the high’s, you have to take the criticism for the low’s.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

You take the credit for the high’s, you have to take the criticism for the low’s.

Not seeing much credit for the highs.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Agree, outstanding achievements and what he has done for our club across the years is incredible. Deserves more respect than some show, that’s for sure. However a change of voice, tactics and direction could be what is needed now. 14 wins in 68 games while playing horrid football - it would be perplexing if questions weren’t asked of the management.

Agree questions should rightly be asked.

[BLH_Claret]

Not seeing much credit for the highs.

It’s been quite a while, that’s why.

[claretabroad]

SD is the best manager we have had in my time supporting the club but the last few years have been poor. Some of the reasons for this have been beyond his control such as the lack of investment by the previous owners. Some of the reasons have been under his control such as the persistence with tactical rigidity.

The reasons for our struggles have been discussed to death already. We are where we are because we deserve it. I put the blame mainly on the lack of investment from the moment our previous owners decided to sell up. Everyone else in the league refreshed their squads and brought in fresh blood. We didn't and went backwards. We have always been fighting against the odds, it is no shock that 3 of the poorest teams in the division occupy the 3 bottom places. This financial mis-step left us playing catch up in an unforgiving league, a challenge proving to be beyond our capabilities. Has SD made mistakes in trying to fight this? Absolutely. Have these mistakes cost us our premier league status? I'm not sure they would have made any difference over the course of the season although it is certainly frustrating (and dull) to watch. We are likely going down despite SD's best efforts not because of them and that is a big difference, although I understand that many fans will disagree with this opinion.

Moving forward I think SD deserves a chance to rebuild and refresh the squad. His record, particularly in the championship, gives him a lot of credit in the bank. This credit is nearing its limit but he deserves the opportunity and the football we played when last there was good to watch and was successful. This is an opportunity for ALK to use their scouting system to identify and aquire young, exciting talent. It is an opportunity for us to rebuild our squad in a more sustainable fashion.

[Dy1geo]

The best thing Dyche could do if he stays is evolve our playing style which would actually improve his chances of getting a position at a bigger club.

When I watched Forest v Liverpool in the cup, their keeper played the ball out all match against one of the best teams in Europe. I thought the football they played was really good to watch. That is how I would like us to play rather than Pope just knocking it long.

If we go down and he is blindly loyal to our out of contract players offering contract extensions and we are mid table after 15 games the vitriol against him will become very unpleasant.

[Boss Hogg]

Some fans are just delusional. If Dyche was going to turn this around, it woud have happened by now. This is not a 3 game bad streak we are talking about. We are going down without a fight and saying give him until the end of the season is just madness.
The only possible chance of staying up is with an immediate change of management and giving the players the freedom to play football.

Agree with the beginning of your post. This has been going on for a long time. The win record is atrocious going back to last season. Going into April with 4 wins, not scoring in 6 of the last 7 and consistently not, devoid of creativity and dreadful to watch. This is no flash in the pan. Nobody can keep us up now so not sure how much point there would be changing now. For me it’s the end of the season or we give Dyche 10 games in the champ but no more if it’s not going well. Everything about the club feels well and truly stale. It’s whether with a new squad rebuild we are better starting afresh it not. You cannot live on former glories indefinitely though and this is why successful companies change leadership / management who once did very well. As Dyche himself once said ‘it’s not a forever story’.

[Quickenthetempo]

There's lots of anger in the posts at the minute but let's break it down with some key points.

Is Dyche getting the best out the team? No
Is Dyche getting the best out of any player in the squad? No
Is Dyche entertaining the footballing public? No
Is there a plan in place to improve us? Doesn't look like it, we have been in survival mode for a long time now.
Is he at fault for poor transfer dealings? 50/50 for me but I don't think he is a good enough coach just to improve players the club gives him to work with. He's an old school manager that has had control over most things.
Has his influence on the youth set up helped? Getting the youth sides to play like the first team is wrong in my opinion. The academy is there to produce star players, our first ream is built on nobody standing out, just working as a team.

It looks a very unbalanced view I admit but I don't see anything working at the minute. Hopefully someone can post positive things about him. Not just he was good 3 years ago.

[arise_sir_charge]

Just to echo what RV says, to suggest there is no other manager that could do the same or better is just ludicrous.

It would the churlish to say he hasn’t done a good job over the years, he clearly has but it’s stale and the trajectory is downwards. People can cite resources etc but he’s not even using those he has well.

It often feels like some posters have become Sean Dyche fans as opposed to Burnley fans. It’s cult like, totally brain washed to the Dyche narrative. My fear is when he does go nobody will be deemed adequate and the Dyche’s fans will be ready to pile in at the first sign of any problems.

[claretspice]

There's got to be a balance to this I think.

Dyche has worked wonders for us. His name deserves to be in gold letters whenever the next history of the club is written.

But as AGreenwood has rightly noted on a different thread, there's reason so few managers - even successful ones like Guardiola - do a decade at a single club. Its a relentless, exhausting, full-throttle job and 10 years is a long time - particularly when the last 5 of those 10 have seen the team increasingly struggle to survive at this level.

If it's time for Dyche to go, it's not because he's a bad manager or a dinosaur or anything like that, it's because he's burned out a bit with us. To me, that's how things look a bit at the minute. The set up looks a bit stale. I think it is fair to say that a few players have underperformed this season and for the first time under Dyche we've probably looked less than the sum of our parts at times. The football has also become increasingly the stereotypical view of Burnley, absent the bits of sophistication which used to go under-reported and were probably the real secret of our success.

No-one should be demanding Dyche be sacked. But that's a world away from saying that perhaps there's a frank conversation to be had before the summer about whether he still has the appetite for the job, how he's going to freshen it up, etc. That's a conversation which in my view needs resolving as soon as our fate is decided - not before, but no later too.

[BLH_Claret]

Just to echo what RV says, to suggest there is no other manager that could do the same or better is just ludicrous.

It would the churlish to say he hasn’t done a good job over the years, he clearly has but it’s stale and the trajectory is downwards. People can cite resources etc but he’s not even using those he has well.

It often feels like some posters have become Sean Dyche fans as opposed to Burnley fans. It’s cult like, totally brain washed to the Dyche narrative. My fear is when he does go nobody will be deemed adequate and the Dyche’s fans will be ready to pile in at the first sign of any problems.

Nail on head. He did well with the resources at his disposal. He is no longer doing the same. This has the same feel to me as the last day’s of Steve Cotterill. However, you are bang on that the new man, should there be a new man would not get a fair crack of the whip from the Dyche fans who would be just waiting with I told you so. Look at how people are already turning on ALK.

[ClaretLoup]

I am beginning to think that Dyche will jump ship at the end of the season anyway with nine OOC players and a fire sale of some of the others, the rebuild will be way bigger than when he arrived at the club, when he added just three players, Heaton Arfield and Jones to create a winning team.

[Rombald]

Do you ever actually contribute anything aside from criticising others comments? Most baffling poster on here.

I'm the most baffling poster? You need to look bit harder.

[KRBFC]

club legend, achieved incredible things during his time here. I'd like to see a change at the end of the season though, seems like the perfect opportunity to totally refresh with 10 players out of contract.

It's not even the results for me, it's the recruitment/plan/vision/style of play, I'm just sick of seeing the same players, in the same system, playing the same boring way. I have no issue with relegation, it's a part of football and to be expected but the lack of long term planning in recruitment is just criminal.

I'd rather see us go down, taking it to teams and trying to score goals as opposed to...... well I don't even know what I've been watching for 2 years, what even is the game plan these days? long balls to Cornet and Vydra?

[kentonclaret]

I am beginning to think that Dyche will jump ship at the end of the season anyway with nine OOC players and a fire sale of some of the others, the rebuild will be way bigger than when he arrived at the club, when he added just three players, Heaton Arfield and Jones to create a winning team.

Good point well made. I was actually shot down by 1 poster on the thread discussing Crystal Palace pre season, for suggesting that the "rebuilding job" at Selhurst Park would pale into insignificance with that required at Burnley come the end of the season.

[Stayingup]

So you think building the academy has been a complete waste of money if we are in a worse state?

There is mixed opinions about these Academies. A top club can at least produce saleable players to lesser clubs when they dont make the grade at said club. Some have given it up altogther. I think West Ham did.

[Foreverly Claret]

Barring a miracle we are down and I can't think of a better manager to get us back up in quick time...tell me who else there is that you would back against him to achieve that job .We just haven't had the attacking strength we needed this season so the accent has been on defence and we've been up against some very good attacking teams where we've had very little chance. Where we have had a chance the attack hasn't been good enough overall hence our poor home results against teams like Brighton , Norwich and Leeds which we should have won...7 points lost.

Perhaps we're all missing one very basic point....WILL HE WANT TO STAY ? You can't tell me that he is happy with the funds that have been made available to him..somebody explain to me what his net receipts have been or convince me that he has been happy with the takeover .

We've been in a fool's paradise this season.. the squad is just not good enough for the Prem..we need to regroup in the Championship , sort out the deadwood , see what we're left with after the inevitable departures and move on .Dyche did it before...he'll do it again .

[Newcastleclaret93]

Barring a miracle we are down and I can't think of a better manager to get us back up in quick time...tell me who else there is that you would back against him to achieve that job .We just haven't had the attacking strength we needed this season so the accent has been on defence and we've been up against some very good attacking teams where we've had very little chance. Where we have had a chance the attack hasn't been good enough overall hence our poor home results against teams like Brighton , Norwich and Leeds which we should have won...7 points lost.

Perhaps we're all missing one very basic point....WILL HE WANT TO STAY ? You can't tell me that he is happy with the funds that have been made available to him..somebody explain to me what his net receipts have been or convince me that he has been happy with the takeover .

We've been in a fool's paradise this season.. the squad is just not good enough for the Prem..we need to regroup in the Championship , sort out the deadwood , see what we're left with after the inevitable departures and move on .Dyche did it before...he'll do it again .

I would be very surprised if a manager with 14 wins over the last 2 years is going to suddenly get the 22-25 wins required next season to come back up.

Mid table is a realistic target whilst we rebuild. However your point stands do you think Dyche fancies a few years in championship with limited funds? I can’t see it

[KlyBfc]

SD has been truly magnificent for our club giving me two things I thought I could only dream of (European football and a run of victories over them lot). As others say he deserves respect and he’s certainly had a number of barriers put in front of him recently. However things aren’t currently right, the level of performance against the sides round us (ones we can / should compete with) has been nothing short of pathetic. His rigidity in selection and formation rightly draws further questions of his current abilities. The best way I can put my current feeling is for years I’d have been devastated if he left, but now I find myself almost hoping I might wake up to the news that he’s resigned. I’d never shout Dyche out, but squad needs refreshing asap and I’m not sure he is the man to do that anymore. Nothing lasts forever.

[Stayingup]

Who scouted Maxwel and WW? Who actually sanctioned their transfers? I doubt it was SD. He had a lean time with the outgoing chairman but then again bought a CH he didn't play - who played against us yesterday. Maybe its our team structure under SD and the scouting of players to play in that structure thats array. Brentford are a shining example of good scouting albeit with more finances available now.

[burnleymik]

I don't really believe we don't have the attacking talent. I think we have some very good attacking talent, but we are not even trying to play to their strengths. I believe Weghorst, Cornet and Vydra are all excellent with balls into feet, but that doesn't work in this current set up and that is down to Dyche.

[warksclaret]

We are where we are because today we have two Premier League players only in our team Pope and Tarks. THe rest at best Championship level , others League 1 or2 or should be hanging up their boots at the end of the season. The role of a manager today is more than managing the games-building and freshening teams in the PL is one of the priorities. We achieved success through shrewd acquisition of players in the first phase, some free and some bargains and selling some for good money, and being very good defensively and hard to beat.I am afraid these are all areas where SD was once involved , and should still be involved today, but for some reason he has shown no desire to strengthening the team. Instead remaining passive.. I hold him mainly responsible for failing to get a stronger starting 11.WE should have seen a bit of the "Conte" in him-"we strenghten or I go attitude" when he was a lot more valuable to the club. I dont know why-but when the majority of the clubs outside the top six use the loan market, we have blanked it out. SD has once achieved the dream for BFC, but sadly now so out of date, and I for one doubt he could rebuild a Championship winning side because he and his coaches have too many limitations in the management and progression of a successful team. Certainly in the field of tactics and formation undoubtedly the worst in the PL

[Woodleyclaret]

Of course he is.He was shafted by the previous boards lack of investment ,instead they looked at trousering as much as possible.
Alan Pace has brought in three quality players in Weghorst,Cornet and Roberts
It's time for everyone fans,chairman and ooc players to reward us and Sean with a performance in all the remaining games.

[Spijed]

Who scouted Maxwel and WW? Who actually sanctioned their transfers? I doubt it was SD. He had a lean time with the outgoing chairman but then again bought a CH he didn't play - who played against us yesterday. Maybe its our team structure under SD and the scouting of players to play in that structure thats array. Brentford are a shining example of good scouting albeit with more finances available now.

Every team ends up signing players that don't work out. It's all a matter of balance (something that's in short supply on here). Balance any poor signings we've made with good ones otherwise you'll find a club that doesn't exist in the long term.

[ashtonlongsider]

Whilst agreeing with the sentiments of the OP, I still think Dyche is the manager to bring us back should the inevitable happen and we are relegated. The board need to stay strong and I think SD is the man to navigate us through what will be a difficult transitional period. He'll know better than anyone which of the OOC players need moving on quickly and which, if any we need to retain. Just a small caveat, people bang on about the lack of investment but the reality is our squad should imo, have been good and experienced enough to be in a lot healthier position that we now find ourselves in. Its been a turbulent few years and the stormy waters need to subside quickly with stability.

[Stayingup]

Every team ends up signing players that don't work out. It's all a matter of balance (something that's in short supply on here). Balance any poor signings we've made with good ones otherwise you'll find a club that doesn't exist in the long term.

My point was who scouted these two players? For what its worth I think both can be assets but in a team structure that suits them. So what was the thinking behind signing these two players? Its taken a while even to find Maxwels best position. In doing so he has replaced our most technically gifted forward who now looks lost.

[ClaretMov]

He's still got credit in the bank for me, I think he'll be hurting and embarrased as he should be. He needs to completely change his tactics and squad this summer.

He should of been hurting and embarrassed for the last 20 month's, he needed to change tactics over the same period, team's have evolved and worked us out yet Dyche still sticks to a formation and a style of play that doesn't work, to all those that think under Dyche we'll win promotion back to the premier league should we go down, NOT A CHANCE even the championship has moved on and it won't work under Dyche.

[Ric_C]

Not read the comments, but I bet most of them are disrespectful to one of our best ever managers.

Dyche is in some way a victim of his own success. Is it time for a fresh start next season? Maybe, but I'm not going to belittle his achievements like some on here.

[Murger]

Not read the comments, but I bet most of them are disrespectful to one of our best ever managers.

Dyche is in some way a victim of his own success. Is it time for a fresh start next season? Maybe, but I'm not going to belittle his achievements like some on here.

How do you his achievements have been belittled if you haven't read them?

[brexit]

Interesting thing about yesterday was dwight came on picked up a lose ball and was positive - low cross into the area and we nearly scored.
Then he went back into shell and lost any creativity.
On Wednesday same thing two goals from running at the opposition not hoofball.
My issue with DinoDyche, is the tactics dictate the starting 11 and he is unable to change.
I don't think Josh, Dwight, Max, Vyds and Wout suit our current style of play - a new manager with new tactics may allow them to play to their potential.

[boatshed bill]

What's the point in going to any premier league team as a youth player, odds are even if you're quality you're more likely to be sold than get a run in the first team.

At this level when every game has such huge stakes we simply do not have the time or luxury to give youth players minutes just to see if they can handle it at this level. Our very identity is about veteran players who've been there and done it, not lads who've only encountered most of the teams we face on FIFA.

I'd still say there's every reason to want to get into a PL academy.
The coaching should be at the highest level.
Even if they fall short they should have achieved their full potential.

[daveisaclaret]

I'm firmly in the Dyche In camp.

I think a lot of the criticism, particularly about things being stale and about preferring to sign very average 30 year old players, is fair. I just think the alternative to Dyche is likely to be a lot worse. Give the typical manager who gets job after job at this level (the likes of Bruce, Hughes, Allardyce) a midfield to choose out of Westwood, Brownhill, Gudmondsson, Lennon and Cork and what happens? I don't think it's massively hyperbolic to suggest they might be chasing Derby's record.

An interesting question to ask is how many footballers have played for Dyche and haven't played the best football of their career with him as manager?

The risk in my eyes is you pot Dyche and all of a sudden you've got a squad that no manager can get enough out of them to justify the cost.