Big news coming soon from the Turf (Sean Dyche sacked)

[RammyClaret61]

If this is the case about no investment and the way they “bought” the club, then how on Earth has this been allowed to happen?

Also, what exactly are the terms for Garlick and co to re-take control of the club? Is this even true?

Where have you been for the last 18 months?

[spt_claret]

The opposite actually most of the fans who don't post on this board are looking forward to a new approach and a chance to stay up.
This board represents a a very small group of opinionated fans who hold diverse and extreme views that don't reflect the opinions of the majority of burnley fans.
As a footnote the feeling in the corporate boxes is one of relief that we may have football worth watching - it has been embarrassing recently trying to entertain clients with hoofball. This was a factor in Pace's decision.

That's certainly not been my experience or anyone else who I know's. In fact I'd say this board is the only place I see such a vocal contingent of Dyche Out types with the possible exception of a few people on Facebook- none of whom are exactly the type whose judgment I'd trust in general.

I couldn't care less if Pace's mates find our playstyle less exciting than other teams. We don't exist to entertain his corporate pals. Or at least, we never used to.

[Chester Perry]

Hospitality sections have improved to a much higher standard, it's impressive and if the football improves we might see an increase in people coming through the door

One day people will realise that most if not all the changes in the infrastructure at Turf Moor were in the roadmap under Garlick - those hospitality suites would have been put in during the summer of 2020, if it was not for Project Restart - the money for them (the work in the Longside was not cheap - the main room cost around £2,5m ) was put aside at that time.

The only question of debate is if the LED boards were part of the Garlick Roadmap

[Billy Balfour]

As a footnote the feeling in the corporate boxes is one of relief

Only 24 hour after the Dyche's sacking and you know this? Not only that, but we've not had a home game for you to go round and canvas the opinions of the 'corporate boxes'. So, you're either Mystic Meg, making it up as you go along, or you've seen Tweets from those corporates. If it's the latter - can you please link?

[warksclaret]

I actually posted on last Summer's transfer thread that one of the positives of bringing in new players was to refresh the group as well as to strengthen the team in key areas. I posted that Dyche may have increasing difficulty in motivating a group of players who have been at the club for so long adopting the same tactics and playing style. Fine, when it all works and when the team is winning matches but when results are poor frustration grows.
As pointed out in today's Guardian Ten of the squad that beat Chelsea on the opening day of the 2017-18 season and took us to a seventh-placed finish are still at the club with the plan rarely changing week-to-week and season-to-season. Players such as Phil Bardsley have been kept on, rather than being replaced. Bardsley has appeared four times in two seasons in the Premier League, and not since February 2021. Dybhe has not called on him in the PL this season despite naming him on the bench on 24 occasions.
Senior players grew frustrated that areas of weakness were not addressed in recent years, leaving the squad short of depth and in need of revitalising.
Not all of the failings are down to Dyche and the owners have to accept a portion of the blame when adequate funds were not mace available. But it is easy to understand how frustration has boiled over with the same old players and same old tactics being employed even when the team was not winning. We had become too predictable and opposing teams, coaches and managers knew what to expect when they played Burnley.
Time to hit the "Refresh" button.

Agree with your comments Kenton

[warksclaret]

In the past two days question marks emmerging about Woan and Stone's relationship with players. Neither have them have ever shown to me their value, and you would hope the manager could sort out these issues. From memory I believe Stones was suspended following an internal enquiry .Woan and Gibson had a fall out which was intolerable and Gibson ended up training with Boro. He must have been so smug last Sunday when Norwich put one of the final nails in our coffins. Lets see what morale is like at West Ham tomorrow

[spt_claret]

Effort!?!?
Everton handed it us on a plate and we still nearly messed it up!!
The result and atmosphere glossed over yet another poor performance.
Where was the effort against Brentford, Newcastle, Leeds, Huddersfield, Norwich, Watford etc etc etc could go on and on.
I've seen maybe 3/4 good performances since last season

Everton were handed certainly 1, arguably 2 soft penalties and we came back to win in the last few minutes with Pope yelling how we're not f***ing dead.

How is that poor performance?
How is that lack of team spirit or togetherness?

Everyone at the time felt invigorated. Do not try to rewrite that win as a mess because the Norwich game was a disaster.

[ClaretTony]

Would you pump money in to be associated with us with our brand of football?
We now might see revenue increase if the football becomes watchable

The owners have failed to get investment from people who don't care what the football's like. That was their plan. That plan becomes even more difficult should we go down.

As for brand of football - I see it as six consecutive seasons in the Premier League against the odds, two top half finishes. Just be careful what you wish for because I think we are potentially coming to the end of the best years you might ever see as a Burnley fan.

[beddie]

Talking of hospitality, Pace took away our brilliant seats in the then JHL section (one of 130) which we’d had since inception of the stand for his vision of a larger area for corporates. Be interesting to see how that goes. Apologies for constantly harping on about it but it’s still a gripe with me. Anyway I’m still annoyed that we haven’t had the opportunity to thank SD for everything he’s done. I do fear for our Club though going forward.

[Murger]

Everton were handed certainly 1, arguably 2 soft penalties and we came back to win in the last few minutes with Pope yelling how we're not f***ing dead.

How is that poor performance?
How is that lack of team spirit or togetherness?

Everyone at the time felt invigorated. Do not try to rewrite that win as a mess because the Norwich game was a disaster.

There's been too many no show performances this season.

[joey13]

The owners have failed to get investment from people who don't care what the football's like. That was their plan. That plan becomes even more difficult should we go down.

As for brand of football - I see it as six consecutive seasons in the Premier League against the odds, two top half finishes. Just be careful what you wish for because I think we are potentially coming to the end of the best years you might ever see as a Burnley fan.

Absolutely this Tony , my worst fears seem to becoming reality

[joey13]

Snake oil salesmen move town quickly after making a sale.
Dyche stuck around and the oil has worked for many, many years.
Possible the worst analogy you could find.

Not Dyche , Pace

[brexit]

That's certainly not been my experience or anyone else who I know's. In fact I'd say this board is the only place I see such a vocal contingent of Dyche Out types with the possible exception of a few people on Facebook- none of whom are exactly the type whose judgment I'd trust in general.

I couldn't care less if Pace's mates find our playstyle less exciting than other teams. We don't exist to entertain his corporate pals. Or at least, we never used to.

I will respectfully disagree with the first paragraph.
Your last sentence is incorrect from the owners point of view that is the purpose of the club any other view is wishful thinking

[brexit]

Only 24 hour after the Dyche's sacking and you know this? Not only that, but we've not had a home game for you to go round and canvas the opinions of the 'corporate boxes'. So, you're either Mystic Meg, making it up as you go along, or you've seen Tweets from those corporates. If it's the latter - can you please link?

The board is in constant contact with there pre-eminent income stream

[Spijed]

Has there been any respected journalist or commentator outside the club who actually thinks sacking SD at this time was a good idea?

[Murger]

Has there been any respected journalist or commentator outside the club who actually thinks sacking SD at this time was a good idea?

Who gives a feck what people outside the club say?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Has there been any respected journalist or commentator outside the club who actually thinks sacking SD at this time was a good idea?

I wouldn’t worry about what they think they don’t watch our matches apart from once or twice a season as part of their cushy job.

[fidelcastro]

Has there been any respected journalist or commentator outside the club who actually thinks sacking SD at this time was a good idea?

Has there been a supporter who doesn't have **** for brains that thinks sacking SD at this time was a good idea?

[Spijed]

Who gives a feck what people outside the club say?

They'll certainly know more about the club than many who post on here.

[Papabendi]

As for brand of football - I see it as six consecutive seasons in the Premier League against the odds, two top half finishes. Just be careful what you wish for because I think we are potentially coming to the end of the best years you might ever see as a Burnley fan.

We were coming to the end of them under Dyche.

[spt_claret]

I will respectfully disagree with the first paragraph.
Your last sentence is incorrect from the owners point of view that is the purpose of the club any other view is wishful thinking

The purpose of the club is now to entertain Pace's corporate pals?

Does that not scream to you that there's a big problem with the club and with football?

[Murger]

They'll certainly know more about the club than many who post on here.

Why will they? Why will Jamie Carragher, Gary Neville etc have more of an idea than the fans?

[KRBFC]

They'll certainly know more about the club than many who post on here.

Speak for yourself, you're the king of horrible takes.

[Papabendi]

Has there been any respected journalist or commentator outside the club who actually thinks sacking SD at this time was a good idea?

Most people I hear / read are telling us that it’s a big mistake whilst simultaneously saying Dyche can’t get another Prem job as he’s not good enough. So read into that what you will.

[Spijed]

Why will they? Why will Jamie Carragher, Gary Neville etc have more of an idea than the fans?

Considering some who post on here don't have much of a clue anyway they are working from a pretty low starting point.

[ksrclaret]

They'll certainly know more about the club than many who post on here.

If you genuinely believe journalists and pundits will know more about the club than the fans, then you clearly have no idea about either profession.

I know a football journalist very well and they often conduct their research when they’re tasked with writing an article by googling and looking on fans forums and Twitter.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Gary Neville knowing more about Burnley than hardcore fans of Burnley, don’t think so.

[BurnleyFC]

I doubt Pace and his cronies are that bothered about our style of play and being entertained. They’re used to NFL and basketball for crying out loud.

[Spijed]

If you genuinely believe journalists and pundits will know more about the club than the fans, then you clearly have no idea about either profession.

I know a football journalist very well and they often conduct their research when they’re tasked with writing an article by googling and looking on fans forums and Twitter.

And apart from a few fans who may get some inside information what additional knowledge will the other supporters get, apart from twitter and reading message boards?

[Swizzlestick]

Has there been any respected journalist or commentator outside the club who actually thinks sacking SD at this time was a good idea?

Miguel Delaney (not that it really matters)

[ksrclaret]

And apart from a few fans who may get some inside information what additional knowledge will the other supporters get, apart from twitter and reading message boards?

Are you for real Spijed?

Do you not think watching the team week in week out qualifies as some “additional information”.

Jesus wept.

[mdd2]

The owners have failed to get investment from people who don't care what the football's like. That was their plan. That plan becomes even more difficult should we go down.

As for brand of football - I see it as six consecutive seasons in the Premier League against the odds, two top half finishes. Just be careful what you wish for because I think we are potentially coming to the end of the best years you might ever see as a Burnley fan.

Posted something similar earlier. We could be heading backwards at a pace far quicker then the forward but slowly pace which followed BK backing Stan in 1998-99 season when we were heading back to the bottom tier. Since then it has been two steps forward one backwards. Now i fear all steps will be backwards until we hit the buffers

[Blakesboots]

The owners have failed to get investment from people who don't care what the football's like. That was their plan. That plan becomes even more difficult should we go down.

As for brand of football - I see it as six consecutive seasons in the Premier League against the odds, two top half finishes. Just be careful what you wish for because I think we are potentially coming to the end of the best years you might ever see as a Burnley fan.

I don’t agree, and I agree.

As a Burnley fan I want the club to be as safe as it can be and playing football as high up as it can be.

But,

I also want Tuesday nights under the lights, I want the hope of youth players coming through and putting on the shirt and I want us to be able to play Rovers, Preston and Blackpool.

The two don’t work together

[cblantfanclub]

CT " I think we are potentially coming to the end of the best years you might ever see as a Burnley fan."

I think you are right but it's more to do with the money trumps all state of football than the present crisis, which is a consequence of it. After the Newcastle takeover the writing was on the wall - no place for town clubs without rich owners. Bring on the European super league and maybe a more even sense of competition can be brought back to domestic football.

[DCWat]

CT " I think we are potentially coming to the end of the best years you might ever see as a Burnley fan."

I think you are right but it's more to do with the money trumps all state of football than the present crisis, which is a consequence of it. After the Newcastle takeover the writing was on the wall - no place for town clubs without rich owners. Bring on the European super league and maybe a more even sense of competition can be brought back to domestic football.

Our time would have come, without being able to compete financially. This wasn’t the season - our recruitment and issues behind the scenes have been our downfall.

With sensible investment in the summer and January, We could have comfortably survived this season.

For whatever reason, we’ve not brought in what was needed or addressed the areas that were crying out for improvement. It could be argued that’s Dyche’s fault, but if it was Pace who was instrumental in some of the signings, blame begins to shift.

[Chester Perry]

CT " I think we are potentially coming to the end of the best years you might ever see as a Burnley fan."

I think you are right but it's more to do with the money trumps all state of football than the present crisis, which is a consequence of it. After the Newcastle takeover the writing was on the wall - no place for town clubs without rich owners. Bring on the European super league and maybe a more even sense of competition can be brought back to domestic football.

why would we have a more even sense of competition in football - that hasn't been the case for almost 150 years in this country - it started to disappear when Preston North End fielded professionals in the FA Cup in the 1870's, then Blackburn Olympic won it with professional - The advent of the football league quickly saw complaints about unfair competition due to some clubs being able to pay more than others (Derby County were the first to make an official complaint). it was the case that a player could turn out for a side one game and another in the next - that led to player registrations and the transfer system. When the FA allowed clubs to become limited companies in the 1890's, it then stopped being just a sporting contest and became as much about off field strategy and on-field.

Currently it is just about the sums involved being more astronomical, but you could say it died as a pure sport at the top of the game with that Preston team

[Chester Perry]

Our time would have come, without being able to compete financially. This wasn’t the season - our recruitment and issues behind the scenes have been our downfall.

With sensible investment in the summer and January, We could have comfortably survived this season.

For whatever reason, we’ve not brought in what was needed or addressed the areas that were crying out for improvement. It could be argued that’s Dyche’s fault, but if it was Pace who was instrumental in some of the signings, blame begins to shift.

and the strange thing is we have probably spent more this season than any other in our history on recruitment when all the associated costs are added up - the closest being that European season when we spent over £42m according to the accounts

[DCWat]

and the strange thing is we have probably spent more this season than any other in our history on recruitment when all the associated costs are added up - the closest being that European season when we spent over £42m according to the accounts

Net it won’t be the biggest spend, will it?

[Cleveleys_claret]

Oh my god!!! The over reaction to Dyche getting sacked is unbelievable. Have we really been brainwashed that much that we believe nobody else can do a better job? That nobody else could come up with a different way of playing with the players at the club?

Maybe we will have someone come in and think Dale Stephens? Why offer him a contract when we have that young lad Helm...Kevin Long why when we have Bobby Thomas, others including Richardson, Mellon, Rooney (?), Mancini and others who could be around the 1st team much more.

Who knows what the future holds, none of us do, so lets stop with the world is coming to an end, one man has been sacked and a couching team that couldnt point out that there are different formations we can play, youth we can blood who you never know may just step up another gear when faith is shown in them, that just because someone has played at the top for 10 to 15 years doesnt mean that they can still play at that level, legs go, injuries take longer to recover

[KRBFC]

Our time would have come, without being able to compete financially. This wasn’t the season - our recruitment and issues behind the scenes have been our downfall.

With sensible investment in the summer and January, We could have comfortably survived this season.

For whatever reason, we’ve not brought in what was needed or addressed the areas that were crying out for improvement. It could be argued that’s Dyche’s fault, but if it was Pace who was instrumental in some of the signings, blame begins to shift.

Alan Pace isn't the one instructing the team to hit long balls up towards Cornet, Weghorst and Vydra.

[gandhisflipflop]

Without going through threads or studying individual posters that closely, through my Facebook ‘acquaintances’ and a brief scan on here id suggest the majority see this decision as nonsensical.

Also seems to be that the ones who are happy with it, are the ones who generally have distasteful views on most subjects… politics/covid/Taking the knee etc etc.

So, in conclusion, I think its safe to say those who support this decision are probably racist/right wing/conspiracy theorists/generally lacking in intelligence … or a combination of all these.

There is a potential I’ve offended someone here, so if it is the case that you are a perfectly normal decent human being, who just has a really poor understanding of football, I apologise.

Oh look, another pretentious idiot.

[KRBFC]

Without going through threads or studying individual posters that closely, through my Facebook ‘acquaintances’ and a brief scan on here id suggest the majority see this decision as nonsensical.

Also seems to be that the ones who are happy with it, are the ones who generally have distasteful views on most subjects… politics/covid/Taking the knee etc etc.

So, in conclusion, I think its safe to say those who support this decision are probably racist/right wing/conspiracy theorists/generally lacking in intelligence … or a combination of all these.

There is a potential I’ve offended someone here, so if it is the case that you are a perfectly normal decent human being, who just has a really poor understanding of football, I apologise.

This kind of thing should have no place on this forum, hopefully the mods will take action against the poster.

[Swizzlestick]

Thankfully the post appears to have been deleted, but wow that was possibly the worst take on here for quite some time, and that really is saying a lot.

[Indecisive]

This kind of thing should have no place on this forum, hopefully the mods will take action against the poster.

Think it’s quite clear it’s tongue in cheek, but happy to take a ban if it’s really upset people.

[Cleveleys_claret]

This kind of thing should have no place on this forum, hopefully the mods will take action against the poster.

Unbelievable how over the years if you didnt like Dyche you were picked on and told "Wont do any better, no other manager can do what he does".

I personally enjoy watching football, and what we serve up is very poor, so I dont enjoy it, I still go, I do enjoy the spirit of the back 5, cheering each other for every blocked tackle, every head thrown in the way of a shot. I can still find things to enjoy and cheer, but doesnt mean I am satisfied as I believe I could be.

But do I think another manager could do better with us...yes I do. Do I know who that is, no, but none of us eill until we give somebody a shot

The media want this fallout, heralding Dyche a genius after years of negative press and probing Klopp, Arteta, Guardiola for soundbites about how dirty we are (rarely mentioned the 100 plus games without a red card). This is perfect for the press, another reason to call us a dirty little club who shouldnt be at the top table

[Cleveleys_claret]

Think it’s quite clear it’s tongue in cheek, but happy to take a ban if it’s really upset people.

How was it tongue in cheek saying anyone who doesnt basically agree with your opinion is a racist, brexit voter and anti vaxxer?

[cblantfanclub]

why would we have a more even sense of competition in football - that hasn't been the case for almost 150 years in this country - it started to disappear when Preston North End fielded professionals in the FA Cup in the 1870's, then Blackburn Olympic won it with professional - The advent of the football league quickly saw complaints about unfair competition due to some clubs being able to pay more than others (Derby County were the first to make an official complaint). it was the case that a player could turn out for a side one game and another in the next - that led to player registrations and the transfer system. When the FA allowed clubs to become limited companies in the 1890's, it then stopped being just a sporting contest and became as much about off field strategy and on-field.

Currently it is just about the sums involved being more astronomical, but you could say it died as a pure sport at the top of the game with that Preston team

It would drain a lot of money out of the domestic game. TV, lack of appeal to wealthy foreign owners etc. This would make it possible for the Garlick's of this world able to afford to run a club. I don't want to write an essay but I'm sure you of all people see this. Of course there would be inequalities but at a reduced level.

[Indecisive]

Mate, it was clearly tongue in cheek.

How can there be an correlation between such unrelated stuff? Nearly added pro Russian in as well.

Anyway, apologies that didn’t transmit.

[Paul Waine]

The owners have failed to get investment from people who don't care what the football's like. That was their plan. That plan becomes even more difficult should we go down.

As for brand of football - I see it as six consecutive seasons in the Premier League against the odds, two top half finishes. Just be careful what you wish for because I think we are potentially coming to the end of the best years you might ever see as a Burnley fan.

Hi CT, how does "don't care what the footballs like" work?
I'd have thought investors will only make money if the team is successful. Yes, we can all overlook performances if the results are coming in, but the league table tells us how we are performing as a team.

We've had the best part of a great decade, but it's always been a "results" game.

UTC

[Chester Perry]

Net it won’t be the biggest spend, will it?

from the reports it would seem that the bigger issue was that the signings were not necessarily the manager's choice