Is there a plan?

[agreenwood]

Ok, I was looking at the Sky articles, I’ll hold my hand up.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Tony has said the chief scout got his cards yesterday (who has been appalling for years) as well as the physio so there must have been a meeting where it all kicked off, seems strange to all happen in one day unless it was planned.

My guess is there was a a massive disagreement between the parties and Pace thought I am not putting up with that you are all gone.

Seems odd to sack everyone in one day with eight games left. I’m happy it’s happened though as a lot of fans weren’t going to be buying season tickets with Dyche still in charge, I wasn't going to be putting anymore money into the club until he had gone and I’m sure Pace got that overwhelming feedback from the season ticket renewal team also.

I applaud the fans who continued to renew tickets to watch that terrible stuff.

[Andreshotboots]

What is Dyche has instigated this basically forcing the chairman to sack him and his team? Maybe he didn’t want another relegation on his CV and this way he walks out a hero getting exactly what he wanted?

Wouldn’t surprise me to see Dyche and his team in another job very soon..

[Shaggy]

Hope Dyche is in another job soon so it costs us less money.

I would also be very happy to see him struggle in his next appointment also and people can actually see the real Dyche, mind numbing hoofball and **** poor transfers of old guys

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Hope Dyche is in another job soon so it costs us less money.

I would also be very happy to see him struggle in his next appointment also and people can actually see the real Dyche, mind numbing hoofball and **** poor transfers of old guys

It will be interesting to see if his style develops with a larger budget if it doesn’t then we will have dodged the bullet of hoofball on steroids.

[Woodleyclaret]

I don't remember much hoofball when we scored two pass and move goals v Everton

[Murger]

I don't remember much hoofball when we scored two pass and move goals v Everton

1 of them was a failed clearance. But nice of you to cherry pick the Everton game and not mention all of the other games.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I don't remember much hoofball when we scored two pass and move goals v Everton

He’s gone it’s okay

[ElectroClaret]

I don't remember much hoofball when we scored two pass and move goals v Everton

For every "Everton", I can give you a few " Norwich's".
The seasons been pretty dreadful.

[Andreshotboots]

I don't remember much hoofball when we scored two pass and move goals v Everton

For every Everton there’s a Leeds away, Newcastle away, Norwich and Watford at home, Norwich and Brentford away etc I’m afraid.. hence the reason we’ve won 4 games..

[bumba]

There may be a hope to survive but can you see an actual plan? I know you're cock-a-hoop about this but what are you actually expecting will happen next?

I don't expect anything in football, what I'd hope is for a manager leaving/new manager bounce and for a couple of positive results to give us a real chance of survival.

We've now got a chance, Dyche was giving us nearly zero chance

[TheFamilyCat]

I don't expect anything in football, what I'd hope is for a manager leaving/new manager bounce and for a couple of positive results to give us a real chance of survival.

We've now got a chance, Dyche was giving us nearly zero chance

Do you think the Jackson/Mee partnership is going to provide the bounce?

[bumba]

Who knows? I fancied us to beat West Ham with or without Dyche to be honest but let's hope a new man's in Monday and the bounce starts then who knows

[ceborame]

I don't remember much hoofball when we scored two pass and move goals v Everton

And one of those goals was provided by a player that Dyche, instead of him, would rather play his Granny if she was on the subs bench

[TheFamilyCat]

Who knows? I fancied us to beat West Ham with or without Dyche to be honest but let's hope a new man's in Monday and the bounce starts then who knows

Which new man are you hoping for?

[bumba]

It's not my job to research managers, I remember when Dyche was appointed though that not many agreed with it and after the first 6 months wanted him sacked.
There is managers around the world we've never heard of that could just prove to be the next gem, that's for Pace and co to earn there coin

[TheFamilyCat]

It's not my job to research managers, I remember when Dyche was appointed though that not many agreed with it and after the first 6 months wanted him sacked.
There is managers around the world we've never heard of that could just prove to be the next gem, that's for Pace and co to earn there coin

Yes, but you are missing my point somewhat. The thread is titled 'Is there a plan?' I don't see much evidence that there is one.

I first replied to your comment 'the plan is to stay up' pointing out that was hope and not a plan.

You haven't posted anything to convince me otherwise (nor has anyone else) yet you seem to have blind faith that our saviour is about to appear over the horizon.

[bumba]

Yes, but you are missing my point somewhat. The thread is titled 'Is there a plan?' I don't see much evidence that there is one.

I first replied to your comment 'the plan is to stay up' pointing out that was hope and not a plan.

You haven't posted anything to convince me otherwise (nor has anyone else) yet you seem to have blind faith that our saviour is about to appear over the horizon.

How do we know if there's a plan, if the rumours why Dyche an co have gone then no there probably isn't a plan but it's still the correct call.
Have some faith I believe we're going to win today and we're going to stay up, 3 wins in a week and we'll all be happy fans again

[scouseclaret]

To answer to the OP, yes there will be. If you’re genuinely saying a group of businessmen took a decision like this in isolation and didn’t go on to discussion next steps, I think you’re being disingenuous to advance an agenda. How far along and how realistic that plan might be is the more pertinent question and nobody on here knows the answer to that.

Looking at our relegation rivals who potted a manager this season they have all take at least a few days to announce managers. If there’s no clear news by the middle of next week, I’ll accept that “the plan” either hasn’t come off or wasn’t as advanced as we might hope.

Think it’s fair to say not many of Alan Pace’s plans have come off so far!

You would think that, with the entire first team coaching staff having been removed including the physio, there is some sort of plan. If not, we’re in the same situation we were in after Coyle left and took his entire support team with him. We all know how that ended.

The other explanation is that this guy really doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing…

[Blakesboots]

Think it’s fair to say not many of Alan Pace’s plans have come off so far!

You would think that, with the entire first team coaching staff having been removed including the physio, there is some sort of plan. If not, we’re in the same situation we were in after Coyle left and took his entire support team with him. We all know how that ended.

The other explanation is that this guy really doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing…

Imagine you owned a business and you had progressive plans for that business. You think the best way to support your business is to bring in a manager to recruit talent to your business. Your middle managers then rebel and meet with you to say quite bluntly that if that manager comes in then they will down tools and look for new roles. You politely remind them of their role and how that fits into the bigger picture of the business.

You then find out that one of your middle managers has been actively courting a different business on your business time and that he is talking your business and you down.

What would you do?

[claretandy]

Imagine you owned a business and you had progressive plans for that business. You think the best way to support your business is to bring in a manager to recruit talent to your business. Your middle managers then rebel and meet with you to say quite bluntly that if that manager comes in then they will down tools and look for new roles. You politely remind them of their role and how that fits into the bigger picture of the business.

You then find out that one of your middle managers has been actively courting a different business on your business time and that he is talking your business and you down.

What would you do?

So what you are saying is Pace wanted to bring in a Director of football, Dyche said no, and Pace has found out that Dyche has been speaking to another club and has sacked him because of it ?

[burnley007]

Still no real rumours of a replacement.
Very worrying

[Jakubclaret]

It's not my job to research managers, I remember when Dyche was appointed though that not many agreed with it and after the first 6 months wanted him sacked.
There is managers around the world we've never heard of that could just prove to be the next gem, that's for Pace and co to earn there coin

Exactly it always make me laugh when you’ve got some posters on here criticising other posters for not suggesting replacements, you’ll have van drivers, electricians & plumbers on here etc & it isn’t our job to be specialising in sports recruitment & hiring people.

[jos]

...you think Moyes?!!*?

Ha ha ,that made me laugh out loud, I wish it were true though as he only lives down the road from me and could give me a lift to the matches

[claretandbluesky]

ALK’s signings by and large have been decent though not dealing with the central problem in the side.

We’ll just have to wait to see how savvy they are when it comes to recruiting staff.

They took the club over at a bad time and relegation was always a likely scenario.
It’s how they deal with that if it happens which will be critical.

[bumba]

Exactly it always make me laugh when you’ve got some posters on here criticising other posters for not suggesting replacements, you’ll have van drivers, electricians & plumbers on here etc & it isn’t our job to be specialising in sports recruitment & hiring people.

Pay me Pace's money and I'd happily do the job

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Exactly it always make me laugh when you’ve got some posters on here criticising other posters for not suggesting replacements, you’ll have van drivers, electricians & plumbers on here etc & it isn’t our job to be specialising in sports recruitment & hiring people.

I'm of the view that if you are demanding the manager goes, then you should have an idea of who you'd want to replace him.

Hiding behind a claimed lack of knowledge about what potential replacements are out there is amusing to me because you can be absolutely sure if the owners hire the wrong person, the same people on here would be wanting the new man out....

[bumba]

I'm of the view that if you are demanding the manager goes, then you should have an idea of who you'd want to replace him.

Hiding behind a claimed lack of knowledge about what potential replacements are out there is amusing to me because you can be absolutely sure if the owners hire the wrong person, the same people on here would be wanting the new man out....

So let's flip this, if Dyche had walked who would you want?
I don't know enough about European and world football to know enough about all the coaches globally but there is ones out there that could do a good job.

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[GodIsADeeJay81]

So let's flip this, if Dyche had walked who would you want?
I don't know enough about European and world football to know enough about all the coaches globally but there is ones out there that could do a good job.

Dunno, I don't keep track of who's out there tbh, I keep track of matchday results but that's it generally
The other day was the first time I've suggested Dyche could leave, if we were in the championship and dossing mid-table but even that was dependant on the circumstances.

I don't make a habit of wanting managers gone precisely because I don't know who's available.

KRBFC is probably the person who's list I'd look at, he's posted it a couple of times and it looks reasonable enough, nothing too outrageous

[bumba]

Dunno, I don't keep track of who's out there tbh, I keep track of matchday results but that's it generally
The other day was the first time I've suggested Dyche could leave, if we were in the championship and dossing mid-table but even that was dependant on the circumstances.

I don't make a habit of wanting managers gone precisely because I don't know who's available.

KRBFC is probably the person who's list I'd look at, he's posted it a couple of times and it looks reasonable enough, nothing too outrageous

I could give a list of who I'd love but whether they'd come or not is a different matter, they'll be managers out there tho that can do a job.
Dyche was one when we employed him.
The guy at Huddersfield not saying he's for us but I've never heard of him and he's gone in there and put them in contention for promotion.

My ideal choice would be Steve Cooper but I don't know if he'd leave Forest for us

[NewClaret]

Andy Jones just tweeted that the plan is to bring an interim manager in and then appoint a permanent manager in the summer. Interviews over the weekend & this week.

If true it answers this thread - there is no plan. And it suggests something went very wrong with Dyche and his team.

I’m also very much against this approach. I’d keep MJ for stability and then look at it again in the summer.

[Mala591]

So what you are saying is Pace wanted to bring in a Director of football, Dyche said no, and Pace has found out that Dyche has been speaking to another club and has sacked him because of it ?

I think you’re getting ‘very warm’ with that succinct summary of the current situation.

[KRBFC]

Was Dyche sacked with a replacement lined up, or is there now going to be a long, drawn-out process of replacing him?

If there is no plan already in place, I think we can assume we are doomed.

I'm not going to judge the decision until the full picture is revealed...

You could have absolutely assumed that under Dyche after our 10th limp performance of the season at Norwich. No way he was turning it around, maybe a new manager can get a bounce.

[KRBFC]

Andy Jones just tweeted that the plan is to bring an interim manager in and then appoint a permanent manager in the summer. Interviews over the weekend & this week.

If true it answers this thread - there is no plan. And it suggests something went very wrong with Dyche and his team.

I’m also very much against this approach. I’d keep MJ for stability and then look at it again in the summer.

So you informed us all of ALK's plan via Andy Jones, then backed it up with ''they have no plan'', which one is it?

Why would you be against this approach? Slaven Bilic until the end of the season, paid a juicy bonus if he keeps us up.

What kind of stability does MJ bring? relegation brings the complete opposite of stability.

I don't know about you but I want us to stay in this league, Everton lose to Leicester midweek and we beat Soton at home and we're out of the bottom 3. Now Dyche has gone, this season isn't over.

[NewClaret]

So you informed us all of ALK's plan via Andy Jones, then backed it up with ''they have no plan'', which one is it?

Why would you be against this approach? Slaven Bilic until the end of the season, paid a juicy bonus if he keeps us up.

What kind of stability does MJ bring? relegation brings the complete opposite of stability.

I don't know about you but I want us to stay in this league, Everton lose to Leicester midweek and we beat Soton at home and we're out of the bottom 3. Now Dyche has gone, this season isn't over.

My point was that there was no plan in place in terms of who to replace him with, since no decisions have been made on a replacement never mind offers.

The stability MJ brings is knowing the club and the players. Presumably having a relationship with them. They sound like they played for him yesterday from what I read on here & highlights.

There’s 6 games to play after this week. For me, no point in bringing in a new manager if it’s for 6 games.

[Murger]

So you informed us all of ALK's plan via Andy Jones, then backed it up with ''they have no plan'', which one is it?

Why would you be against this approach? Slaven Bilic until the end of the season, paid a juicy bonus if he keeps us up.

What kind of stability does MJ bring? relegation brings the complete opposite of stability.

I don't know about you but I want us to stay in this league, Everton lose to Leicester midweek and we beat Soton at home and we're out of the bottom 3. Now Dyche has gone, this season isn't over.

The 'interim' position is an absolute waste of time. Hasn't worked for United has it?
Why would the players play for someone, when in 6 games they could be gone?

[claptrappers_union]

The players were playing for Dyche. No one on here has questioned the commitment of the players

[Murger]

The players were playing for Dyche. No one on here has questioned the commitment of the players

Well they weren't. Yesterdays performance kinda confirms that.

[claptrappers_union]

Look at the scenes at the final whistle against Everton, I would suggest otherwise

[claretandy]

Look at the scenes at the final whistle against Everton, I would suggest otherwise

The performances against Brentford and Norwich suggest otherwise.

[KRBFC]

The 'interim' position is an absolute waste of time. Hasn't worked for United has it?
Why would the players play for someone, when in 6 games they could be gone?

in 6 games most of the players could be gone too.... It might not have worked for Man United this time but it has worked for numerous clubs previously. Coleman at Fulham came in and kept them up, Allardyce at Sunderland, Craig Shakespear at Leicester won 4/4, Ole at United 14 wins in 19 games then got the full time gig, Di Matteo at Chelsea won the UCL.

[Lancasterclaret]

Look at the scenes at the final whistle against Everton, I would suggest otherwise

Don't destroy the carefully constructed fantasies that these guys have got in their heads with little things like facts like that mate, this is UTC!

[Lancasterclaret]

The performances against Brentford and Norwich suggest otherwise.

Better side v Brentford

Poor v Norwich no doubt, but its a stretch to say that means the team weren't playing for the manager

We all seen games were it looks like we are totally not playing for him, and then we come out with a great performance in the next game

Whatever has gone on, I doubt its the team not playing for the manager

[daveisaclaret]

Massive doses of copium all around as people start to realise we've potted Dyche without any idea of who to appoint to replace him with.

[Lancasterclaret]

There wasn't plan when SD was sacked

Now there is, and the plan is see if a stand out candidate magically reveals himself before Thursday

[Murger]

Massive doses of copium all around as people start to realise we've potted Dyche without any idea of who to appoint to replace him with.

How can there have been a plan if something unexpected has gone on?

[BabylonClaret]

The performances against Brentford and Norwich suggest otherwise.

No they suggest a nervous performance lacking in confidence. That's not the same thing. The win against Everton and Spurs shows you that the players were still fighting. We have struggled when teams sit back and coubter as they did at Norwich and Brentford.

I think the idea if an interim manager for max 6 games by the time he's interviewed is pointless. May as well stick with yesterday's team. The team did well enough against tricky opposition and showed they can perhaps dig us out. The only real concern I suppose is whether full training design and control can be managed - dont forget Dyche and team led most of last weeks training.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I think all the players were playing for Dyche that Everton game made it abundantly clear.

The numerous rumours I have seen regarding Dyche over the last few days have been horrendous. Ranging from Dyche smashing up a pub to getting in a brawl with Cornet.

Maybe people should just calm down and take it for what it is. The owners felt they needed to change things up.

It’s an incredibly poor and risky decision in my opinion. But it’s there club and there choice. We have just got to deal with the repercussions.

[claretandy]

Better side v Brentford

Poor v Norwich no doubt, but its a stretch to say that means the team weren't playing for the manager

We all seen games were it looks like we are totally not playing for him, and then we come out with a great performance in the next game

Whatever has gone on, I doubt its the team not playing for the manager

I wouldn't say we were the better side against Brentford, it was pretty even until they scored.

[tiger76]

Andy Jones just tweeted that the plan is to bring an interim manager in and then appoint a permanent manager in the summer. Interviews over the weekend & this week.

If true it answers this thread - there is no plan. And it suggests something went very wrong with Dyche and his team.

I’m also very much against this approach. I’d keep MJ for stability and then look at it again in the summer.

Agreed yesterday's performance and result suggested to me that MJ could do a job for us until the end of the season, and given we've only got 7 games remaining what exactly is a new man going to bring to the party, and even an interim manager would cost us money we almost certainly don't possess.

Cornet scores the pen yesterday we likely go on to win, and the team seemed more happier than they've been for some time.

Ideally I'd always appoint a manager during the close season if possible, that way they've got a better chance to assess the playing squad, and also wheel and deal in the window, any manager coming in this late in the season won't be able to change much, and arguably risks rocking the boat.

Sounds from your comments that MJ will still be in place for the Southampton game anyway, so if that's his last match in charge let's ensure he leaves on a high.