Russia Invades

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 9:15 pm

russia are not a 'world power'.

just a big country with a shyte actor in charge.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 11:09 pm

ROB LEE - a photo demonstrating the number of missiles Russia has ‘wasted’ trying to dislodge Ukrainian defenders (unsuccessfully)

https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1517 ... -mpBc9uwcA

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 11:23 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:46 pm
It does seem Russia has employed every tactic for ‘how to NOT win a war’. I’d expect it of a banana republic but not ‘a world power’.

The thing is Russian tactics have always been about having more mass (tanks, men, aircraft etc). They have done in Ukraine what they always do it is just this time they have hit a stubborn, extremely capable and ignoring the captured Saxons that keep cropping up some very good weaponry/ vehicles. They were supposed to have started to modernise under the previous defence minister (name escapes me) but after he was moved on it would seem they are back to square 1. Corruption is rife in there military and some of there more modern equipment has suffered because of it. The T 72 etc is being proved to be a pile of crap and the much older T64 a more able with better armour. It is no surprise that the Ukrainians have kept the majority of there T72s in reserve whilst there regular formations tend to use the T64.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 9:57 am

https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/sta ... 0518836224

Sobering analysis of Russia still not learning any lessons

You do wonder if the Generals are getting a lot of political pressure from the top to end this war as soon as possible

it seems astonishing that the Russians have forgotten that lesson from WWII, but I can't see what else it can be?

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:15 am

Todays Estimated losses, I am reading about nightly sorties taking out tanks and equipment.

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https://twitter.com/canadianukrain1/sta ... 02_NHGo6kg

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 7:38 pm

Macron won

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:29 pm

https://twitter.com/kemal_115/status/15 ... 5069037569

Russian ammunition storage procedures are certainly "unique"

Elbarad · Post by **Elbarad** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:57 am

I'm wondering how they hit that oil terminal in Bryansk Russia. Hopefully when I wake up there'll be some details.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:02 am

Elbarad wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:57 am
I'm wondering how they hit that oil terminal in Bryansk Russia. Hopefully when I wake up there'll be some details.

Here you go.
https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1518 ... vvUJ9I6IRA

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:06 am

Rob Lee - shares pictures from The Sun; drone footage of a Russian ‘tank graveyard’ in Russia

https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1518 ... pNuJ2nFSoA

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:34 am

Elbarad wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:57 am
I'm wondering how they hit that oil terminal in Bryansk Russia. Hopefully when I wake up there'll be some details.

The Belgorod fuel attack was by helicopter(s) but that was less than 20 miles over the Russian border from Ukraine. Bryansk is much further (80+ miles?) - it looks to be actually nearer to Moscow than it is to Kyiv.
It's a daring attack if the Ukrainians did it but the Russians are pretty slapdash in procedures it seems - so you cant rule out some kind of accident I guess. Hopefully we'll get more info from believable (not Russian) sources.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:07 pm

NEXTA: Finland is slowing down its NATO (moderator edit for clarity) application to allow Sweden to catch up so they can both enter the EU together, leaving neither vulnerable to Russian retribution.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/151 ... G-byh8aNtQ

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:37 pm

Lawrence Freedman (retweet): The destabilisation that Russia will face if the system implodes from the pressure it is now facing for the Ukraine invasion could well lead to sucessionism and civil war.

https://twitter.com/shashj/status/15185 ... G-byh8aNtQ

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:44 pm

Rob LEE: Russian export profits on military equipment have added to their own military’s problems in keeping supplied, as profit is restricted for the ‘home’ market. Estimates suggest the Ukraine has already put the Russian military equipment supplies back two years and the drop off of the export trade will further hurt Russia’s ability to carry on the war effort, as Russia turn supply factories to full time (low profit) internal manufacture.

https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1518 ... ya46dqw9sw

https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1518 ... ya46dqw9sw

https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1518 ... ya46dqw9sw

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:51 pm

REUTERS: Russia to investigate cause of Bryansk oil storage facility explosion.

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1518 ... ya46dqw9sw

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:44 pm

Just read that T90Ms have been spotted in Ukraine after the T 14 these are Russias most modern and best protected tanks an interesting development. Not sure how many they have of them but clearly they won’t want them to be turned into piles of junk like the rest of them.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:50 pm

https://twitter.com/JominiW/status/1517660500733136898

Latest update on the past couple of the days, plus excellent maps

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:52 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:44 pm
Just read that T90Ms have been spotted in Ukraine after the T 14 these are Russias most modern and best protected tanks an interesting development. Not sure how many they have of them but clearly they won’t want them to be turned into piles of junk like the rest of them.

Almost certainly been bought in from units screening NATO borders

I'd say that is a sign of how desperate they are becoming, nothing to suggest these are any different to hits from Javelins than any other Russian tanks

I think I saw a pic of one in Kharki'v

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:46 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:44 pm
Just read that T90Ms have been spotted in Ukraine after the T 14 these are Russias most modern and best protected tanks an interesting development. Not sure how many they have of them but clearly they won’t want them to be turned into piles of junk like the rest of them.

Ukrainians captured one already.

https://twitter.com/vinoddx9/status/151 ... ccxYK-19HQ

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:57 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:46 pm
Ukrainians captured one already.

https://twitter.com/vinoddx9/status/151 ... ccxYK-19HQ

Are you sure its been captured, all the pics I've seen just report one being spotted in Kharki'v oblast

Elbarad · Post by **Elbarad** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:00 pm

Saw a couple of updates today of explosions in Transnistria. Can't be the Moldovians getting froggy I wouldn't think. And I really don't understand why the Ukrainians would be hitting there. Odd. Maybe false flag I guess, but it's not like the Russians have a lot of forces there. 1500 or so.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:09 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:07 pm
NEXTA: Finland is slowing down its EU application to allow Sweden to catch up so they can both enter the EU together, leaving neither vulnerable to Russian retribution.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/151 ... G-byh8aNtQ

Hi elwa, I assume typo by you. Finland and Sweden have both been members of EU since 1995. Both countries joined together.

Nexta's twitter is about Finland and Sweden applying to join NATO.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:09 am

Lavrov warning about NATO supplying Ukraine again, threatening reprisals again, essentially "Boy cries wolf" again

Increasingly clear that Russia will absolutely gut itself rather than admit that it can't achieve its war aims (a reminder that the war aims they now say they have changed after they were decisively defeated in the north and south)

If that is the road they are insisting on going down, then the West has to scale up the armament deliveries to Ukraine

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:18 am

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/25/poli ... index.html

Good stuff on that from CNN

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 12:29 pm

Phillips OBrien - US meeting with Ukraine officials yesterday suggest a closer relationship between the officials than ‘diplomatic’ allies.

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/sta ... XboAp4lhzQ

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:17 pm

NEW YORK TIMES - British Defence Secretary Ben Wallace told the House of Commons that Russian loses now stand at around 15,000.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1518 ... XboAp4lhzQ

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:00 pm

https://twitter.com/navalhistorian/stat ... 8195108867

Thread on the dangers of drifting sea mines in the Danube Delta

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:05 pm

Bryansk in Russia,,,,
https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status ... bZJJMWieIw

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:25 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:05 pm
Bryansk in Russia,,,,
https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status ... bZJJMWieIw

Looking at that footage it appears there were 2 strikes.
I thought it might just be Russian incompetence, but 2 cock ups on the same night, so close together.......

Elbarad · Post by **Elbarad** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:00 pm

That oil depot must be where they evacuated the crew of the Moskva to since they were looking for work after their ship sank.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:33 pm

Looking like Russia is ramping things up now, Poland has had its gas supply turned off.

https://twitter.com/samramani2/status/1 ... S1xVcDt3bw

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:32 pm

Maybe Russia are going to do a front from Moldova.

https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/sta ... S1xVcDt3bw

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:43 pm

Price of Gas is going to go crazy tomorrow. Russia’s next weapon of choice.
We might be supplying weapons but Russia is going to turn of the west gas.

Going to be an interesting couple of weeks.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:01 pm

I reckon now if will be who blinks first. Russia desperate for cash to keep country running and pay mercenaries, the West need their gas, at least for now.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:08 pm

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/16 ... nt-offices
Seems like the Russians are very excited about dieing.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:54 pm

And now it’s also Bulgaria, who is next??

If he bans everyone, Russia will be bankrupt in weeks.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:29 pm

REUTERS: UN get Putin to agree to an humanitarian corridor for Red Cross to evacuate civilians from Mariupol

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1519 ... q9l63fWV4Q

… mmm.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:41 pm

Interesting tactic by Russia

I mean, it absolutely screams how desperate they are, and also guarantees that no one in Europe will want their gas or oil in the future

I think Putin is clearly very ill, and this situation is going to get a lot worse if he's allowed to remain in charge

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:16 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:41 pm
Interesting tactic by Russia

I mean, it absolutely screams how desperate they are, and also guarantees that no one in Europe will want their gas or oil in the future

I think Putin is clearly very ill, and this situation is going to get a lot worse if he's allowed to remain in charge

From what I’ve read, it’s Poland that’s announced this move and Russia haven’t confirmed it? In which case, maybe an empty threat that’s massively backfired?

Odd they’d just do it to Poland and not Germany (who are more dependent and have just announced they’re sending tanks)?

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:22 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:16 pm
From what I’ve read, it’s Poland that’s announced this move and Russia haven’t confirmed it? In which case, maybe an empty threat that’s massively backfired?

Odd they’d just do it to Poland and not Germany (who are more dependent and have just announced they’re sending tanks)?

It’s Poland and Bulgaria from tomorrow.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:29 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:22 pm
It’s Poland and Bulgaria from tomorrow.

Why not go hard and pick Germany though? Or are they paying in rubles?

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:39 am

We need to share whatever oil and gas the West have between us. No one country should suffer. Russias only hope is sowing discord amongst the alliance.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:42 am

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:29 pm
Why not go hard and pick Germany though? Or are they paying in rubles?

They must hope that the likes of Germany, will turn down helping Poland and Bulgaria. Staying strong, and united, is Putins greatest fear

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:25 am

Putin won't turn the gas off in Germany.
They are still financing Putins assault.
Schroder should hang his head in shame

*Note, I'll be surprised if this post isn't deleted given the way this thread has been moderated

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:32 am

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/23/worl ... tw-nytimes

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:31 am

Damo wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:25 am
Putin won't turn the gas off in Germany.
They are still financing Putins assault.
Schroder should hang his head in shame

*Note, I'll be surprised if this post isn't deleted given the way this thread has been moderated

You need to cut the Germans some slack here

If we were in the same position, we'd do exactly the same thing

They are so dependent on Russian oil and gas that stopping it will cause a huge recession. Huge recessions in democracies result in governments changing, and not necessarily for the better

Throw in their history with Russia, and they have to tread very carefully

Consider what they have done already, and they have done a lot more than they are given credit for

- Planning to stop reliance on Russian gas and oil by the end of the year
- Giving armoured vehicles to the Ukrainians after decades of not getting involved

Their opposition to Russia will just get stronger the longer this goes on, along with everybody else

Russia are playing this all wrong btw, their best chance is the war to disappear from the front pages and the government priorities, by making it a more of a slug fest (or even declaring that they have met their objectives)

But they are continuing to think like a country that has got loads of power to back it up, and they just haven't got it, and they continue to make huge strategic mistakes pretty much every week

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:07 am

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:31 am
You need to cut the Germans some slack here

If we were in the same position, we'd do exactly the same thing

They are so dependent on Russian oil and gas that stopping it will cause a huge recession. Huge recessions in democracies result in governments changing, and not necessarily for the better

Throw in their history with Russia, and they have to tread very carefully

Consider what they have done already, and they have done a lot more than they are given credit for

-

Wise words.
Should Germany or France adopt policies that allow for a re-emergence of the far right, this whole circus could easily lurch into a far more sinister direction.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:52 am

Good explanation on Germany and what its doing (and how that takes time)

https://twitter.com/hhesterm/status/1519220331965263872

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:03 am

Damo wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:25 am
Putin won't turn the gas off in Germany.
They are still financing Putins assault.
Schroder should hang his head in shame

*Note, I'll be surprised if this post isn't deleted given the way this thread has been moderated

I don’t think you wrote anything that was wrong or having a go at any other poster, so it will probably be fine.

What I will say is the only reason this thread still exists is due to the moderator who I think is doing a good job. It stays mainly on topic now.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:11 am

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:29 pm
Why not go hard and pick Germany though? Or are they paying in rubles?

Don’t know if they are paying in Rubles or not.

But I think they have mainly tried to keep out of upsetting Putin.

They have sent some weapons, but not on the scale of other countries.

On the Tanks, they have yet to arrive, I think.

https://news.sky.com/story/russia-to-su ... s-12599659