Name the next manager

[RVclaret]

Wouldn't it make sense to get a manager who can adapt his system depending what players he has available? I know Dyche didn't do a lot of that except when he had Defour, but the best manager can get the best out of his players even if the aren't the ideal players he would have chosen.

Good question. I think the success that way relies on the club having a long term squad building strategy for a certain style. Examples of this include City and Liverpool. While operating on a different level financially, look at the recruitment done by City since Pep came in. There hasn’t been one signing that doesn’t fit his style and system.

Likewise Klopp at Liverpool, high pressing machines, inside forwards (now with Diaz the latest example). Neither of those managers would play without a DM, therefore it’s integral to the recruitment to sign a holding DM. Back to my example with Knutsen, he plays a similar 4-3-3 to Pep/Klopp which relies heavily on a solid DM. If we don’t have one in the squad, which arguably we don’t right now, that would be detrimental to the proposed system. That wouldn’t happen at City / Liverpool.

On the opposite foot you’ve got United as an example of awful squad building (more money spent that both City / Liv), no strategy and players who suit around 5 different systems, signed by probably 4 different managers. Rangnick has come and tried to get them to play high pressing, they simply don’t have the players for it, he’s said it himself.

[Socrates]

look at the recruitment done by City since Pep came in. There hasn’t been one signing that doesn’t fit his style and system.

Except for that lad they paid £100 million for with as many league goals as Nathan Collins this season. The one who didn’t come off the bench in a massive European game again the other night.

[RVclaret]

Except for that lad they paid £100 million for with as many league goals as Nathan Collins this season. The one who didn’t come off the bench in a massive European game again the other night.

I’d say he’s had a decent enough season. Quite a few Pep signings have taken a season to fully adapt to his complex system. Cancelo for example, looked lost in his first season, now looks to be one of the best full backs in the world.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Except for that lad they paid £100 million for with as many league goals as Nathan Collins this season. The one who didn’t come off the bench in a massive European game again the other night.

Might not be producing the finishing goal but he’s been very good at the build up before the goal. Pep alluded to that in his interview the other day.

He will be better next season after he’s had a season to adapt to pep

[Foshiznik]

Wouldn't it make sense to get a manager who can adapt his system depending what players he has available? I know Dyche didn't do a lot of that except when he had Defour, but the best manager can get the best out of his players even if the aren't the ideal players he would have chosen.

Sean Dyche literally made his name and legacy at Burnley due to him playing to the system right for the players available and then bought players who fit that. Makes sense to do that rather than replace 11 players to change the system.

Obviously we will never know, but i've always been of the personal opinion that if we got taken over by a rich benefactor and Dyche had the opportunity to invest in a major overhaul, he would change the system. The fact is, our budget doesn't allow us to buy all of those fancy 5 yard sideways passing players the majority of football pundits think is how the game should be played, nor that one player who can then after the 30 passes thread the magic ball or take the perfect shot to finish the attack.

[ClaretPete001]

Good question. I think the success that way relies on the club having a long term squad building strategy for a certain style. Examples of this include City and Liverpool. While operating on a different level financially, look at the recruitment done by City since Pep came in. There hasn’t been one signing that doesn’t fit his style and system.

Likewise Klopp at Liverpool, high pressing machines, inside forwards (now with Diaz the latest example). Neither of those managers would play without a DM, therefore it’s integral to the recruitment to sign a holding DM. Back to my example with Knutsen, he plays a similar 4-3-3 to Pep/Klopp which relies heavily on a solid DM. If we don’t have one in the squad, which arguably we don’t right now, that would be detrimental to the proposed system. That wouldn’t happen at City / Liverpool.

On the opposite foot you’ve got United as an example of awful squad building (more money spent that both City / Liv), no strategy and players who suit around 5 different systems, signed by probably 4 different managers. Rangnick has come and tried to get them to play high pressing, they simply don’t have the players for it, he’s said it himself.

Indeed and these points and others on this thread explain why Sean Dyche did what he did..

If you buy to a system you don't need the best in class you just need the best for the system. Each player becomes a machine in the role and when there are injuries lesser players click in and keep the machine ticking along. Recruitment becomes easier because the players required are easily identifiable and back room staff can be monitoring suitable players. Reserve and youth team players are all coached in the model and the whole system becomes a production line. Everyone is happy because they know what is expected and how to do their jobs well.

Of course, it helps if you can outbid everyone in the market for the players you want.

It failed at Burnley because the overheads of a Premier League club start to consume all the profits. Clubs promoted and then relegated can spend parachute money and pay Championship wages, which worked beautifully for us because we were immediately promoted back into the Premier League and were able, for a period, to run a PL club on Championship costs. The big risk is getting relegated and not coming back up.

Buying players based on value and expecting a manager to pull them all together is risky because you simply don't know if it will work. Most managers - most of the time are not that successful. And it's just not that efficient...

In reality, it's fanciful to think you can buy players young based on value, ask them to play an expansive style and then expect a manager to pull it all together. Sounds good on forums but in reality not so much. Only elite managers are mostly successful because they manage elite players at elite clubs with the biggest budgets. The best of the rest, like David Moyes, have a good few meh's to their names. Even the "chosen ones" turn out to have clay feet in the end.

[LoveCurryPies]

Lot of Twitter accounts now saying Rooney is favourite. Hope not!

[Lancasterclaret]

I don't think Rooney is the worst shout in the world tbh

At least its different to the tried and tested and failed conveyor belt of mediocrity that so many go down (but again, must stress that he's not my first choice)

[ClaretPete001]

Lot of Twitter accounts now saying Rooney is favourite. Hope not!

I'm guessing it will be a left field appointment or someone from the States. Not sure what Rooney has done to suggest he could manage a club like ours.

[ClaretTony]

Lot of Twitter accounts now saying Rooney is favourite. Hope not!

It's all come from one national rag claiming it and others, including all the locals, have jumped on it.

We discussed potential candidates on the West Ham trip and Rooney intrigued us.

[NewClaret]

It's all come from one national rag claiming it and others, including all the locals, have jumped on it.

We discussed potential candidates on the West Ham trip and Rooney intrigued us.

Got a text a week ago saying it was Rooney. Didn’t post as friend of a friend stuff & didn’t believe it to be honest. But interesting development.

[PremierLeagueClass]

I never saw anything in Rooney as a player to suggest he would make a good manager, quite the opposite. That said, he seems to have made an impression at Derby. It would be interesting to hear what derby fans have to say. The fact it’s been such a bizarre season for them also makes it difficult to assess Rooney.

He should have some strong connections though and his standing in the game would command respect from the players. I don’t know what he’s like on the training pitch but you’d like to think he could show some of them a thing or two with the career he’s had.

I’d see this appointment as low floor, high ceiling (American sport reference there just for you Alan).

Would be a hell of a risk but we’ve already taken one sacking Dyche.

[ClaretTony]

Got a text a week ago saying it was Rooney. Didn’t post as friend of a friend stuff & didn’t believe it to be honest. But interesting development.

I wouldn't have thought about him to be honest but he's been right up there in the betting almost from the start and there has been a lot of speculation. I believe he's always been one we had an interest in.

[IanMcL]

Rooney - a relegated manager, who has not pulled up any trees at all. Not even good on TV! No thanks.

[daveisaclaret]

I find it hard to see how anyone who has paid any attention to Derby since he took over to be against the idea of Rooney, to be honest. Comes across as a great manager and a great bloke.

[Zlatan]

Please not Rooney. Working miracles (relegation, albeit after points deduction - otherwise, nearly relegation) with a team of youngsters running on adrenaline alone does not inspire me at all

[jedi_master]

I work with loads of Derby fans - the job he’s done there they absolutely love him for.

Don’t be misled by his win percentage - his squad is literally their U23 team plus 4/5 old heads like Curtis Davies (37) and Richard Stearman (34), Colin Kazim-Richards (35) and some other cheap cast offs like Ravel Morrison. He’s been working with all of his limbs tied behind his back and would still have kept them up were it not for their deductions.

[expoultryboy]

Why not Rooney ? He likes his team to play good football , he's bringing the youngsters through and his name alone could attract good new players . With all our OOC players this summer , a big rebuilding has to commence and i personally think he'd be ideal . Utc

[RVclaret]

Rooney would be an interesting one and one I’d be quite happy with.

[ClaretAL]

It would be interesting to see a manager with an attacking/midfielder ethos view to management/coaching as opposed to the defensive ethos management/coaching. I am not saying one is better than the other but I have enjoyed the recent attack minded performances.

[dermotdermot]

Erhm?

[Gp8419]

I wasn’t convinced by Rooney at first but I’m kind of growing to the idea he has done rather well all things considered.Commercially it makes sense too raising the profile of the club, he would attract more players interested in actually wanting to play for us, and also he would probably put a extra 2k on the gates maybe.I think as a whole package it makes sense and why not.

[Silkyskills1]

Hypothetical question; Do you think that had we lost all the games Michael Jackson has been in charge of we'd have had a new face in by now, even temporarily until the end of the season?

[Walkerpool]

Rooney compared to some of the other names being mentioned would definitely get my backing UTC.

[PremierLeagueClass]

Hypothetical question; Do you think that had we lost all the games Michael Jackson has been in charge of we'd have had a new face in by now, even temporarily until the end of the season?

I reckon so, and it would probably have been Allardyce or someone in that mould.

[Burnleyareback2]

I dont fancy the media re-branding to “Wayne Rooneys Burnley”

[taio]

I'm pleased the interim management team has done so well, such that we don't need to jump into a decision with just a short-term objective in mind e.g. Allardyce.

It's allowed time to see which league we will be in and to take a longer-term view.

I've no idea if Rooney would be a good appointment because he would be an unknown quantity and wild card option in my eyes, given his lack of experience.

There will inevitably be a mixed response to whoever gets appointed.

[Quickenthetempo]

It's vital the likes of Wayne Rooney have a good no.2 with them. He's got a good one at Derby I believe.

We need a very good coach with attacking instincts to follow on from our defensive set up.

[tiger76]

I reckon so, and it would probably have been Allardyce or someone in that mould.

Good job Jackson got some results then as Allardyce would have been a backwards step.

[Zlatan]

all those stating "Why not Rooney?" can I ask, specifically Why Rooney? and what exactly will he bring to the club to improve us?

Others have mentioned he may attract different players, granted - but they'd still need to fit within our budget. Brings on the youth, again granted but we need the youth to bring on - any previous attempts at that with our current youth have proven them to be completely out of their depth (bar McNeil)

So - what else am I missing? IMO he's not right for us, persuade me otherwise.

[taio]

It's vital the likes of Wayne Rooney have a good no.2 with them. He's got a good one at Derby I believe.

We need a very good coach with attacking instincts to follow on from our defensive set up.

Liam Rosenior would also be an unknown quantity given his lack of experience.

[NRC]

Does the manager’s projected tenure come into it too? Dyche was here 10 years. Do we recruit looking for that length of tenure, or do you recruit someone more for the mid-term. If the latter, why?

As has previously mentioned, one of the reasons Sir Alex was successful was because he reinvented his squad often. We can do that here - I disagree with a previous poster’s assertion that we can’t because of our lack of purchasing power. Just look at Roberts and Collins, both now worth more already than what we paid. And that’s the system.

Let’s not also forget the talent spotting and development system behind Pace. If part of your reason to acquire a club is to use it as the proofing ground for your software across sport generally, then when you’ve cleared the managerial deck it should be incongruous to NOT appoint a manager who would become soaked in bringing players through the academy structure for profit

Burnley could be some the English equivalent of Ajax in Holland andWerder Bremen in Germany, and you need the manager that suits that business approach

[BurnleyFC]

Whilst I admire the sentiment Ajax are the biggest club in the Netherlands and arguably one of the biggest in Europe so we could never hope to emulate them and their approach to bringing players through.

[Newcastleclaret93]

all those stating "Why not Rooney?" can I ask, specifically Why Rooney? and what exactly will he bring to the club to improve us?

Others have mentioned he may attract different players, granted - but they'd still need to fit within our budget. Brings on the youth, again granted but we need the youth to bring on - any previous attempts at that with our current youth have proven them to be completely out of their depth (bar McNeil)

So - what else am I missing? IMO he's not right for us, persuade me otherwise.

It’s a big name that will help improve the club on a number of levels. From improve the commercials abroad (I believe Rooney is still one of the most sold shirts in the USA), imagine if that became Burnley shirts with Rooney on the back. The posisbilities are substantial. The media attention around the club will dramatically improve (from relatively nothing).

Take away the commercial aspect, he hasn’t just had a record of promoting youth he also has a record developing youth. The likes of Plange, Ebiowe and Ebosole have have dramatically improved as the season has gone on. Similar to Dyche he has also done well with Difficult characters, the only manager I can see that has got a tune out of Ravel Morrison.

I think the main positive in my opinion is that he brought the whole Derby fan base together to push towards a common goal. Even though relegated I think there was something quite special happening there, at one point to quote Pace I think he made derbys “everyone’s favourite under dog”.

I appreciate he’s still a bit unknown as a manager and it’s a massive jump for him. However I think it is a calculated risk worth taking.

[Quicknick]

I would have nothing against Rooney, but I remember the last big name England international who managed us.

[Quickenthetempo]

Liam Rosenior would also be an unknown quantity given his lack of experience.

He was getting a lot of credit for their partnership so presumed he was experienced.

The 1 year rolling contract seems to be the best way we have done with a manager. A bit of security for both but keeps the hunger.

[Pearcey]

Being as ALK want us as a global brand, Rooney certainly ticks the boxes. As for Rooney I’m unsure but not completely against it. Loved him as a player mind.

[ClaretPete001]

Does the manager’s projected tenure come into it too? Dyche was here 10 years. Do we recruit looking for that length of tenure, or do you recruit someone more for the mid-term. If the latter, why?

As has previously mentioned, one of the reasons Sir Alex was successful was because he reinvented his squad often. We can do that here - I disagree with a previous poster’s assertion that we can’t because of our lack of purchasing power. Just look at Roberts and Collins, both now worth more already than what we paid. And that’s the system.

Let’s not also forget the talent spotting and development system behind Pace. If part of your reason to acquire a club is to use it as the proofing ground for your software across sport generally, then when you’ve cleared the managerial deck it should be incongruous to NOT appoint a manager who would become soaked in bringing players through the academy structure for profit

Burnley could be some the English equivalent of Ajax in Holland andWerder Bremen in Germany, and you need the manager that suits that business approach

Sir Alex was almost unique in terms of his tenure and success. Wenger is probably a distant second. It's a bit like saying boxing is easy lets just go and find another Tyson Furey as if 6 foot 9 inch fighters with an elite boxers brain and talent for PR exist on every street corner..

As it turns out the AI software touted by AP seems to be nothing more than a small investment.

There is nothing wrong with a long term plan to do what you suggest but you need investment capital because everyone makes mistakes. In 2018/19, we bought Vydra and Gibson - had those two worked out would we be in the position we are now?

I have no doubt Elon Musk could buy the club for £200 million. Do what Newcastle did and spend £80 million in January and then create an elite feeder club setup over 4 or 5 years. Whether it would be worth half a billion at the end of it is debatable.

Otherwise, you are where we are. We start off with good intentions in the summer but at the end of Xmas we lose a star striker and have to buy a 29 year old from the Bundesliga. By April we've sacked the long term coach because he can't find the best way to integrate the new talent all the while flirting with relegation and facing replacing 10 00C players in the summer with no manager or coaching team.

A new manager is probably going to have to create a premiership squad based upon a handful of first teamers. In the last 50 years, we've had had a small number of successful managers (Adamson, Mullen, Ternent and Dyche spring to mind) none of whom replicated it elsewhere (Dyche may well do so but who knows).

There has to be some reality to posts other than Sir Alex did it and we just have to buy young players and sell them on. There is a whole pyramid wanting to do that and failing...!

[Berne Leigh]

I don't fancy Chris Wilder so of the current hot tips it looks like Rafa or Rooney? Interesting choice. Would they come to Burnley? Of the 2 I would pick Rafa but Rooney could be intriguing. Which would you pick?

[Pearcey]

Rafa has put a much bigger club than ours in relegation trouble so it’s a no from me.

[KRBFC]

Wouldn't it make sense to get a manager who can adapt his system depending what players he has available? I know Dyche didn't do a lot of that except when he had Defour, but the best manager can get the best out of his players even if the aren't the ideal players he would have chosen.

I remember Dyche playing Defour at left wing instead of changing formation

[Pearcey]

Have you applied KRBFC? With your scouting and tactical nous I reckon you’d have a chance.

[Marney&Mee]

Rooney and Unsworth...you heard it here first.

I've heard that's the rumour. I should know, cos I started it...

[Silkyskills1]

all those stating "Why not Rooney?" can I ask, specifically Why Rooney? and what exactly will he bring to the club to improve us?

Others have mentioned he may attract different players, granted - but they'd still need to fit within our budget. Brings on the youth, again granted but we need the youth to bring on - any previous attempts at that with our current youth have proven them to be completely out of their depth (bar McNeil)

So - what else am I missing? IMO he's not right for us, persuade me otherwise.

You appear to have answered your own doubts. Attracting players to Turf Moor and giving youth a chance are very much part of what I would like to see. Not too sure what you mean when you say 'our current youth have proven to be completely out of their depth'. The pandemic meant we never got to see these players at their own level and Sean Dyche was not seen generally as someone prepared to give them an opportunity.

[KRBFC]

Rooney - a relegated manager, who has not pulled up any trees at all. Not even good on TV! No thanks.

Relegated by a 5000 point deduction you mean? with a tiny squad of old washed up players and young players from the academy? A side he'd have miraculously kept safe without the point deductions. He's used over 10 players from the academy this season I believe.

[Nonayforever]

Liam Rosenior would also be an unknown quantity given his lack of experience.

I don't think Liam Rosenior lacks experience, he has got a good pedigree.
I am coming round to the idea of Wayne Rooney more and more. Plus he would have Bardsley as a sounding board for the current squad.
A big yes from me when you look at whats on offer, and his style of football would be great to watch.

[KRBFC]

Have you applied KRBFC? With your scouting and tactical nous I reckon you’d have a chance.

I know you're joking but I believe I'd add alot to any side scouting wise, I watch far too much foreign football. I'll happily remain sharing my wisdom on here and posting nuggets and hopefully Pace and co keep plucking names from the KRBFC scouting list like Weghorst. I hope to see Jesper Karlsson and Ola Solbakken on the wings next season.

[NRC]

Whilst I admire the sentiment Ajax are the biggest club in the Netherlands and arguably one of the biggest in Europe so we could never hope to emulate them and their approach to bringing players through.

Applying the model that is at Ajax and now Werder Bremen is nothing to do with scale, it’s a business operating model.

As it turns out the AI software touted by AP seems to be nothing more than a small investment.

Regardless, AiSCOUT is one of the reasons AP wanted to acquire a club. It’s inconceivable in business terms that you don’t take that into consideration alongside your academy status now that you have the perfect opportunity to put into practice your business reasoning

[KRBFC]

That AiScout is the biggest pile of crap, we'd be better running a TV Show like Inter Milan did, with a contract offer at the end. What was the name of that show again? Next star? can't remember any of the winners

[taio]

I don't think Liam Rosenior lacks experience, he has got a good pedigree.
I am coming round to the idea of Wayne Rooney more and more. Plus he would have Bardsley as a sounding board for the current squad.
A big yes from me when you look at whats on offer, and his style of football would be great to watch.

Rosenior does lack experience. He's only 37 years old, has just a few years coaching experience and a little over a year as an assistant manager. I'm not against Rooney supported by Rosenior but I think it's fair to say both lack experience.