Yes it is not really about smoke bombs, although they are dangerous. It is about OBHECTS being thrown, either way. A player sets an example. So must the FA. Immediate suspension. Club fine also possible.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 4:14 pmthe biggest problem here is if they don't ban him then they can't ban anyone in the future for lobbing one. All about precedent
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Or crass stupidity, depending on your politics.
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Nothing will happen that could have a detrimental effect on their run in. Wrap on the knuckles and a small fine that would sit nicely alongside their £373 million losses over the last three seasons that the PL are working with them to address this unfortunate situation as a founder member instead of imposing strong penalties.
If they were to be relegated both Sky and the PL would be in meltdown at the loss of two Merseyside derbies that are so lucrative in advertising sales and betting in the far East. This is why I do not think their relegation will happen. All stops will be pulled out to ensure their safety.
Leeds now being referred to as another big club that should not be relegated by many. Look at the number of times they have been on TV. In the Championship promotion season the coverage was quite exceptional. I am fearing the worst that sympathetic support could be directed their way by whatever means. It will be interesting to see who the refereeing appointments are in the final run in particularly as several referees on the current list are retiring.
If they were to be relegated both Sky and the PL would be in meltdown at the loss of two Merseyside derbies that are so lucrative in advertising sales and betting in the far East. This is why I do not think their relegation will happen. All stops will be pulled out to ensure their safety.
Leeds now being referred to as another big club that should not be relegated by many. Look at the number of times they have been on TV. In the Championship promotion season the coverage was quite exceptional. I am fearing the worst that sympathetic support could be directed their way by whatever means. It will be interesting to see who the refereeing appointments are in the final run in particularly as several referees on the current list are retiring.
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You have a valid point, I’m expecting collusion of a monumental scale to make sure it is us who dropmatucana wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 2:13 pmNothing will happen that could have a detrimental effect on their run in. Wrap on the knuckles and a small fine that would sit nicely alongside their £373 million losses over the last three seasons that the PL are working with them to address this unfortunate situation as a founder member instead of imposing strong penalties.
If they were to be relegated both Sky and the PL would be in meltdown at the loss of two Merseyside derbies that are so lucrative in advertising sales and betting in the far East. This is why I do not think their relegation will happen. All stops will be pulled out to ensure their safety.
Leeds now being referred to as another big club that should not be relegated by many. Look at the number of times they have been on TV. In the Championship promotion season the coverage was quite exceptional. I am fearing the worst that sympathetic support could be directed their way by whatever means. It will be interesting to see who the refereeing appointments are in the final run in particularly as several referees on the current list are retiring.
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FA will now not investigate until the Police have concluded theirs which means no ban this season.
Why am I not surprised
Why am I not surprised
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Police have just issued a statement saying that they will not investigate until Sue Gray completes her investigation and releases her report.1HappyClaret wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 5:23 pmFA will now not investigate until the Police have concluded theirs which means no ban this season.
Why am I not surprised
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Richarlison could kick the ref in the ******** and not get a ban the way he's going. Kicks a player at Anfield, no red and resulting ban, throws a flare that would result in us mere mortals more than likely in prison, let alone banned from a football ground..nothing.
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Merseyside police hardly going to pull up any trees.
FA could be accused of corruption, if anyone was inclined. It is definitely Burnley against the establishment here.
Our team deserve only the very best support we can give them.
Up the Clarets.
FA could be accused of corruption, if anyone was inclined. It is definitely Burnley against the establishment here.
Our team deserve only the very best support we can give them.
Up the Clarets.
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Beware referees and VAR for the rest of the season.
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The silence is deafening.
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These things are sorted a few days after the incident, by the FA....unless the big team need their man, of course!
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when is this going to be determined?
…close season?
…close season?
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As I understand, police are investigating, so FA “paused” their investigation. Like the local police are incentivised to conclude that investigation promptly!!
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What are they actually investigating?
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Exactly!
Merseyside police for gawds sake!
Prem stinks.
Merseyside police for gawds sake!
Prem stinks.
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Love how Richarlison jogged two Watford players off the pitch for their substitutions. I’d have given him a Will Smith slap if that was me
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How best to not get him suspended for the remaining games, mostly.
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Bearing in mind these are hand held 100% legal coloured powder “ flares” that are far safer than a turf moor bovril. He picked it up in a moment of celebration and lobbed it back , he’s Brazilian ffs .
Always cracks me up how the cameras adore these big euro nights and flares ( legal and otherwise )belching out fire and smoke to show the total passion of the fans . Yet in reality the health and safety lot literally sh1t themselves after a bit of Smokey paint .
Always cracks me up how the cameras adore these big euro nights and flares ( legal and otherwise )belching out fire and smoke to show the total passion of the fans . Yet in reality the health and safety lot literally sh1t themselves after a bit of Smokey paint .
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He's a bloody good player, and probably the main reason why Everton look odds on to stay up
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Everton stated he threw it out of the stadium for safety reasons…very public spirited of him!AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 1:11 pmHe picked it up in a moment of celebration and lobbed it back
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The facts are that he was not actually looking as to where it would land and it passed over many heads, on its journey.
The ban should be in operation, already.
Corrupt prem
The ban should be in operation, already.
Corrupt prem
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It may not be a criminal offence to possess these flares, but in certain circumstances throwing them is a criminal offence, and in all circumstances it is against FA/PL rules to throw objects from the crowd to the pitch, from the pitch to the crowd, or within the crowd. I think the blanket ban on all objects is so that evil-minded people can't sneak in amongst the moronic and throw their dangerous objects with the harmful ones.AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 1:11 pmBearing in mind these are hand held 100% legal coloured powder “ flares” that are far safer than a turf moor bovril. He picked it up in a moment of celebration and lobbed it back , he’s Brazilian ffs .
Always cracks me up how the cameras adore these big euro nights and flares ( legal and otherwise )belching out fire and smoke to show the total passion of the fans . Yet in reality the health and safety lot literally sh1t themselves after a bit of Smokey paint .
And the suggestion that Brazilians can't be expected to follow normal rules? Surely untrue, and certainly inappropriate in today's society, to suggest that certain races don't know how to behave?
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And to think poor old Drogba got punished for re-donating a £1 coin to our lot…..
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Get a grip you soppy tart.dsr wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 2:52 pmIt may not be a criminal offence to possess these flares, but in certain circumstances throwing them is a criminal offence, and in all circumstances it is against FA/PL rules to throw objects from the crowd to the pitch, from the pitch to the crowd, or within the crowd. I think the blanket ban on all objects is so that evil-minded people can't sneak in amongst the moronic and throw their dangerous objects with the harmful ones.
And the suggestion that Brazilians can't be expected to follow normal rules? Surely untrue, and certainly inappropriate in today's society, to suggest that certain races don't know how to behave?
Of course it’s illegal in Uk grounds and rightly so imo
Though there was zero intent on his part .
And yes it stinks that Merseyside police have overidden the fa here .
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Please tell me that’s true ?claretblue wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 1:17 pmEverton stated he threw it out of the stadium for safety reasons…very public spirited of him!
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Hope there was no-one innocently walking outside the ground when the flare landed!claretblue wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 1:17 pmEverton stated he threw it out of the stadium for safety reasons…very public spirited of him!
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Exactly. In no time and others before and since.Jimmymaccer wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 2:57 pmAnd to think poor old Drogba got punished for re-donating a £1 coin to our lot…..
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How safe they are isn’t relevant, the Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc.) Act 1985 does not distinguish between a smoke flare and any other firework, people are punished similarly for all types.AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 1:11 pmBearing in mind these are hand held 100% legal coloured powder “ flares” that are far safer than a turf moor bovril. He picked it up in a moment of celebration and lobbed it back , he’s Brazilian ffs .
Always cracks me up how the cameras adore these big euro nights and flares ( legal and otherwise )belching out fire and smoke to show the total passion of the fans . Yet in reality the health and safety lot literally sh1t themselves after a bit of Smokey paint .
Thus throwing an item over the heads of supporters, even into a mainly empty area (but not completely empty, fans could be seem swarming over it during the goal), is a serious offence, in the eyes of the law let alone in the eyes of the FA.
So anything by the police or by the FA which doesn’t punish this promptly and allows future fixtures to pass, is extremely dodgy looking, and I choose my words very carefully.
I write this while another goes off at Spurs, hence why it should be stamped out hard.
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By all means you choose your words carefully Crosspool....
I'll just call it out for what it is. Bent.
I'll just call it out for what it is. Bent.
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Totally agree these flares/pryro's need sorting out, but as often happens in these circumstances action will only be taken if or when somebody suffers a serious injury, and by then it'll be too late for that person.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 8:09 pmHow safe they are isn’t relevant, the Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc.) Act 1985 does not distinguish between a smoke flare and any other firework, people are punished similarly for all types.
Thus throwing an item over the heads of supporters, even into a mainly empty area (but not completely empty, fans could be seem swarming over it during the goal), is a serious offence, in the eyes of the law let alone in the eyes of the FA.
So anything by the police or by the FA which doesn’t punish this promptly and allows future fixtures to pass, is extremely dodgy looking, and I choose my words very carefully.
I write this while another goes off at Spurs, hence why it should be stamped out hard.
How are the authorities supposed to get their message across to fans when players can't refrain themselves from flinging objects into the stands.
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There is a growing trend in our country, which I do not like. It starts with the Prime Minster and permeates through society downwards.
Politicians, companies and employees used to act with honour and integrity.
Somebody subject to a Police investigation used to resign, be suspended by his employer pending the outcome of the investigation or be sacked.
Sadly this seems to have gone.
Politicians, companies and employees used to act with honour and integrity.
Somebody subject to a Police investigation used to resign, be suspended by his employer pending the outcome of the investigation or be sacked.
Sadly this seems to have gone.
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be honest here, would you give a s**t if they weren't our relegation rivals?
Of course you wouldn't
I miss when people were honest actually
Of course you wouldn't
I miss when people were honest actually
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Of course not. But why would he have to? It’s not about him being honest or not… he’s a Burnley fan and this directly affects us. Why wouldn’t he have a biased opinion about this? I’d question the support of anyone who DIDNT have that biased opinion.
The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
If Everton weren’t involved in this relegation battle, do you think they’d be quiet about the police involvement? They’d be screaming about it. But they aren’t, because it suits them right now.
As I said, it absolutely reeks.
The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
If Everton weren’t involved in this relegation battle, do you think they’d be quiet about the police involvement? They’d be screaming about it. But they aren’t, because it suits them right now.
As I said, it absolutely reeks.
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Just a question about there’s flares / smoke canisters - are they actually hot? I’ve never held or been near one.
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Questioning someone's support for their football team because they have the ability to look at something objectively
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I've missed this, who is not being honest?Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 9:07 ambe honest here, would you give a s**t if they weren't our relegation rivals?
Of course you wouldn't
I miss when people were honest actually
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They can be very hot yes, not just the flares but the smoke canisters too. They can also cause severe asthma attacks.claptrappers_union wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 9:27 amJust a question about there’s flares / smoke canisters - are they actually hot? I’ve never held or been near one.
Somebody close to me was badly hurt by a firework once so I tend to not want this stuff anywhere near a football ground.
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It's not just asthma either. There are many respiratory diseases affected by smoke.
Emphysema, COPD, long covid, lung cancer....need I go on?
Emphysema, COPD, long covid, lung cancer....need I go on?
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Everton said: "We will look into the matter. As far we we are concerned, Richarlison was attempting to throw it out of the ground."
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Whether he was or not isn't really the issue is it, surely removing objects from the playing surface is a steward's job, not for the players to simply lob items anywhere they deem fit.claretblue wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 11:26 amEverton said: "We will look into the matter. As far we we are concerned, Richarlison was attempting to throw it out of the ground."
Now as to why the flare was there in the first place that's an entirely different matter, but again falls on Everton as the host club to deal with any such incidents, particularly from their own fans.
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If a supporter picked one up that landed near him, waved it around then attempted to throw it out of the ground that supporter would be arrested..
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Those that are pretending that they want him banned because of some HSE violation, rather than just admitting that they want him banned because it would cause Everton huge problems with three games left
I'm honest enough to stick myself in the 2nd camp
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The way he threw it with, I'm not even sure if he was facing the way he threw it (memory), there's no way he was doing what Everton are trying to dress it up as. His body language says different. He was extremely neglectful. Regardless of who he is and who he plays for he should be disciplined the season he has done it in. He won't be though. If this was Joe Bloggs on the street it would be sorted out by now with at least a fine.
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[sorry, political]2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 9:03 amThere is a growing trend in our country, which I do not like. It starts with the Prime Minster and permeates through society downwards.
Politicians, companies and employees used to act with honour and integrity.
Somebody subject to a Police investigation used to resign, be suspended by his employer pending the outcome of the investigation or be sacked.
Sadly this seems to have gone.
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I see.Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 1:52 pmThose that are pretending that they want him banned because of some HSE violation, rather than just admitting that they want him banned because it would cause Everton huge problems with three games left
I'm honest enough to stick myself in the 2nd camp
Does it have to be so polar, so black & white?
Could it not be that some people want him punished for his stupidity, but if they did ban him then that should also benefit Burnley. I think I am in this category, I e. a foot in each camp. I quite often see things from both sides, I see the grey. I am a moderate, it's rare I see things in black and white.
I do apologise, if I am not sufficiently polar for you.
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Pure coincidence, Lancaster.Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 9:07 ambe honest here, would you give a s**t if they weren't our relegation rivals?
Of course you wouldn't
I miss when people were honest actually