Name the next manager

[ClaretTony]

From Alex James’ latest piece in the Lancs Live:

‘Burnley remain set to appoint Vincent Kompany as their new manager although details still need to be finalised.

The Belgian remains likely to take over at Turf Moor but nothing is expected to be confirmed today and it may well stretch into next week. Reports have suggested Kompany and any potential backroom staff he wants to bring with him from Anderlecht require work permits for the UK and while the Clarets remain confident of securing the 36-year-old, any announcement is not imminent.’

Beyond reports suggesting that work permits are required, that’s a certainty.

I would suspect it means everything is in place because we would only apply for work permits once we’d got the deal done.

[williamjblazkowicz]

Yesterday, Blakesboots was arguing that communication has either stayed the same as under the previous ownership or improved. I'm not too sure about that.

[KRBFC]

He hasn't even said a word since relegation, I wonder if he's aware we're not in the PL now. Most of the players have said something via social media, but not the owner? just so strange.

[aggi]

It’s absolutely astonishing that nine days after the last game we have not heard one word from the club. We’ve allowed Tanya Bardsley to tell the world that Phil’s leaving, there have been suggestions that Dale Stephens hasn’t been offered anything. Both those were obvious but not a word.

We used to announce the academy retained list around early April. We know it’s been done with some of the young players leaving immediately and some continuing to play but again not a word.

What a shambles.

Maybe it's just me but I wasn't expecting an announcement on the retained list until the new manager came in. To be honest I'm not really expecting much until the manager comes in. An announcement of "we're looking for a new manager" seems a bit superfluous.

[KRBFC]

Maybe it's just me but I wasn't expecting an announcement on the retained list until the new manager came in. To be honest I'm not really expecting much until the manager comes in. An announcement of "we're looking for a new manager" seems a bit superfluous.

How about something addressing relegation? just a small statement like the players have each made.

''Sorry to the fans, we made some wrong decisions we'll learn from, we hope to be fighting for promotion next season, meanwhile the hunt for a manager is ongoing, thanks to Mike Jackson, Jenkins and Mee for their efforts''

Is it really that difficult to post such message on his Twitter profile?

[claretonthecoast1882]

Maybe it's just me but I wasn't expecting an announcement on the retained list until the new manager came in. To be honest I'm not really expecting much until the manager comes in. An announcement of "we're looking for a new manager" seems a bit superfluous.

No place for logic aggi when there is the chance to have a go at the owners due to not liking them

[KRBFC]

No place for logic aggi when there is the chance to have a go at the owners due to not liking them

You don't think the owner should've addressed the fans following relegation? It's nothing to do with liking them or not, a lack of communication is giving fans a reason to dislike.

[RVclaret]

Beyond reports suggesting that work permits are required, that’s a certainty.

I would suspect it means everything is in place because we would only apply for work permits once we’d got the deal done.

Yeah - I suggested this before too.

[Steddyman]

Something like this, posted a week ago you mean? https://twitter.com/burnleyofficial/sta ... 3kP7ARFHog

[taio]

No place for logic aggi when there is the chance to have a go at the owners due to not liking them

I imagine most people are forming their view based on recent track record and direction of travel, rather than simply deciding they don't like him/them.

[daveisaclaret]

When he opened his Twitter account he wrote "My team and I are looking forward to building a positive relationship with
@BurnleyOfficial supporters. I will use this channel to communicate as much as I can. #UTC"

He hasn't Tweeted anything since his programme notes for the Newcastle game. I would suggest either his phone has gone the way of Rebekah Vardy's or he hasn't quite lived up to his intentions.

[Jamesy]

You cannot see what else is holding the deal up? You mean apart from the small matter of a work permit?

Which he will have no problem getting. And his wife is from Manchester.

[KRBFC]

Something like this, posted a week ago you mean? https://twitter.com/burnleyofficial/sta ... 3kP7ARFHog

That is from ALK? or the social media admin?

[RVclaret]

Is it really that difficult to post such message on his Twitter profile?

To be fair, after the vitriol aimed at him on Twitter that I saw in recent months, it’s no real surprise that he isn’t posting there.

Although I do agree, a small statement of sorts post relegation was the least I expected. But I’m with aggi that I didn’t expect the retained list to be out there until a new manager is announced.

[claretonthecoast1882]

You don't think the owner should've addressed the fans following relegation? It's nothing to do with liking them or not, a lack of communication is giving fans a reason to dislike.

Probably just me but I didn't need to hear from the owners following relegation, maybe some do. Not sure exactly what they could have said that would lead to me think ah ok that's good then. Pretty much the same way following previous relegations I didn't need to hear from the previous owners.

It is very much to do with not liking them as is evident bitching done towards them at any opportunity.

[Vegas Claret]

You don't think the owner should've addressed the fans following relegation? It's nothing to do with liking them or not, a lack of communication is giving fans a reason to dislike.

to be fair the club has done that, not sure it requires an owner from his account to do the same tbh. I did think he would but I'm not fussed that he hasn't. I'd rather him get the manager in and players sorted long before him saying "we'll that was a bit of a f*** up" !

[claretonthecoast1882]

I imagine most people are forming their view based on recent track record and direction of travel, rather than simply deciding they don't like him/them.

In fairness some comments aimed at Pace began long before relegation

[ClaretTony]

Maybe it's just me but I wasn't expecting an announcement on the retained list until the new manager came in.

Academy retained list done weeks ago.
First team retained list done and submitted to the league.

Not a word about it. I’ve never known it be any later than 3 or 4 days after the last game. Looking for a new manager isn’t relevant.

[ClaretTony]

Probably just me but I didn't need to hear from the owners following relegation, maybe some do. Not sure exactly what they could have said that would lead to me think ah ok that's good then. Pretty much the same way following previous relegations I didn't need to hear from the previous owners.

It is very much to do with not liking them as is evident bitching done towards them at any opportunity.

There’s only the owners now - no CEO or the likes. Did you not expect anything from anyone?

[Tall Paul]

It looks like only one PL club has announced their retained list.

[JarrowClaret]

When he opened his Twitter account he wrote "My team and I are looking forward to building a positive relationship with
@BurnleyOfficial supporters. I will use this channel to communicate as much as I can. #UTC"

He hasn't Tweeted anything since his programme notes for the Newcastle game. I would suggest either his phone has gone the way of Rebekah Vardy's or he hasn't quite lived up to his intentions.

He also said he would remain on Twitter etc until he started getting abuse, so I assume (I don’t know) that his absence from Twitter is due to ignorant and abusive trolls on there. That doesn’t excuse the Clubs awful communication strategy as a whole though, just be open and honest is all I ask don’t care about anything else.

[KRBFC]

Probably just me but I didn't need to hear from the owners following relegation, maybe some do. Not sure exactly what they could have said that would lead to me think ah ok that's good then. Pretty much the same way following previous relegations I didn't need to hear from the previous owners.

It is very much to do with not liking them as is evident bitching done towards them at any opportunity.

Again you're taking the typical argumentative approach by claiming fans NEED him to say something, I don't need him to say anything after relegation, I just expected him to do so and he hasn't which highlights further how poor the communication has been.

[northeastclaret]

Personally I believe Pace has received a lot of unfair criticism since he took over.

He acted decisively over retaining probably the best Burnley manager in our lifetimes, after Dyches breakdown in relationship with the previous chairman.

He acted decisively in the transfer market achieving our best windows for many years.

He acted decisively when he was informed by a lot of senior players that they were not happy with the Dacha management team.

He appears to be again acting decisively in trying to recruit potentially an excellent manager.

However personally I cannot believe any successful businessman can treat his customers(fans) with such contempt as Pace is now during a period of such turbulence.As CT has said there has not been one communication since we were relegated.

During such times a club or business needs effective leadership
which is achieved and enabled through honest and open communication.

With Pace now showing what appears to be a high level of leadership incompetence on this matter, is this really his true level ?

I hope not , but it certainly starting to look that way.

[Juan Tanamera]

In this age of being media friendly/savvy I get why people think BFC should be more open re communication but I don't think there is anything in the rules that says they have to be.
Is there?

[claretonthecoast1882]

There’s only the owners now - no CEO or the likes. Did you not expect anything from anyone?

I expected at most to see a comment along the lines of how disappointed the club is with the outcome. Not sure what else needs to be said. What did you want to hear ?

[Pickles]

I can't say I've ever taken much notice of end-of-season platitudes from any chairman be it Pace, Garlick or Kilby. I'm a bit surprised Pace hasn't sent out a little tweet but I'm not that bothered he hasn't. As long as things are ticking over
obviously. When he spoke of being communicative early on, I remember some people criticising him, saying chairmen should be in the background. And now he isn't being communicative and...

[Blakesboots]

Yesterday, Blakesboots was arguing that communication has either stayed the same as under the previous ownership or improved. I'm not too sure about that.

What is there to tell?

This board has whipped itself into a frenzy of second guessing. That’s nothing to do with the club.

[dsr]

In this age of being media friendly/savvy I get why people think BFC should be more open re communication but I don't think there is anything in the rules that says they have to be.
Is there?

There's no business law that says you need to keep the customers happy, but it's usually considered to be a good idea.

[Quickenthetempo]

It looks like only one PL club has announced their retained list.

It's all a bit strange with today being the last day of employment for players with the clubs.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Again you're taking the typical argumentative approach by claiming fans NEED him to say something, I don't need him to say anything after relegation, I just expected him to do so and he hasn't which highlights further how poor the communication has been.

Not exactly what I said by reading has never been a strong point of yours. If you don't like answer then perhaps ask less questions

[Tall Paul]

It's all a bit strange with today being the last day of employment for players with the clubs.

I think most player contracts run to the end of June.

[Blakesboots]

To be fair, after the vitriol aimed at him on Twitter that I saw in recent months, it’s no real surprise that he isn’t posting there.

Although I do agree, a small statement of sorts post relegation was the least I expected. But I’m with aggi that I didn’t expect the retained list to be out there until a new manager is announced.

This is an underrated point. This board and its members have been huge advocates for mental health. There are a number of thoughtful threads that demonstrate the compassion of members supporting each other as men through difficult times and situations.

I don’t see how there isn’t more understanding towards the chairman and social media. It’s horrendous reading at times and wading through that would exhaust anyone.

[Quickenthetempo]

I think most player contracts run to the end of June.

Oh right I thought it was June 1st. Must be July 1st then.

Seasons seem to get longer and longer I suppose.

[ClaretTony]

I expected at most to see a comment along the lines of how disappointed the club is with the outcome. Not sure what else needs to be said. What did you want to hear ?

But nothing

[Blakesboots]

It looks like only one PL club has announced their retained list.

Exactly, let’s not the facts get in the way of good moan at the club.

[claretonthecoast1882]

But nothing

But nothing ?

[ClaretTony]

It looks like only one PL club has announced their retained list.

The PL are showing released players from a number of clubs

[CrosspoolClarets]

One bad thing about the social media era is that we all feel we are back seat drivers, knowing best how to do things like run a top football club.

It seems fairly obvious that comms is not ideal, a lack of information and a surplus of advertising / sales. But when push comes to shove the key aspects would seem to be the appointment of a new manager, retaining certain players, signing others, appointing non playing staff and (hopefully) suing the Premier League and Everton.

Alan is more or less part time, with other business interests, so given that “to do list” is huge, I’m not too worked up about a lack of comms. I just hope he gets the above stuff right. Kompany after paperwork gets done would be a good start.

[Tall Paul]

The PL are showing released players from a number of clubs

Where?

[RVclaret]

The PL are showing released players from a number of clubs

The last two seasons they published the retained lists from the entire league on the 4th June.

[ClaretTony]

Alan is more or less part time

And with no CEO - if he’s part time then who is running the place?

[northeastclaret]

What is there to tell?

This board has whipped itself into a frenzy of second guessing. That’s nothing to do with the club.

What is there to tell?

The boards reaction to relegation with a positive statement of intent going forward.

A positive statement to counteract the negative reports in the national press about the clubs finances.

A positive statement about the clubs plan regarding out of contract players and future signings.

An update on the recruitment of a new manager.

They might not be a bad start ?

[aggi]

How about something addressing relegation? just a small statement like the players have each made.

''Sorry to the fans, we made some wrong decisions we'll learn from, we hope to be fighting for promotion next season, meanwhile the hunt for a manager is ongoing, thanks to Mike Jackson, Jenkins and Mee for their efforts''

Is it really that difficult to post such message on his Twitter profile?

As has been pointed out, the club did a brief tweet. I personally don't feel that a tweet from Pace adds anything but I guess we are in an age of wanting constant communication, even if it's saying nothing, and others will feel differently.

Academy retained list done weeks ago.
First team retained list done and submitted to the league.

Not a word about it. I’ve never known it be any later than 3 or 4 days after the last game. Looking for a new manager isn’t relevant.

Like most I suspect, I haven't paid much attention to the academy retained list so don't know what is going on there. I can imagine that they haven't wanted to publish the First Team retained list as a new manager may have different views and announcing that you've released a player and then signing them again isn't great PR.

[ClaretTony]

I can imagine that they haven't wanted to publish the First Team retained list as a new manager may have different views and announcing that you've released a player and then signing them again isn't great PR.

Really? Do you really think that?

[Blakesboots]

What is there to tell?

The boards reaction to relegation with a positive statement of intent going forward.

A positive statement to counteract the negative reports in the national press about the clubs finances.

A positive statement about the clubs plan regarding out of contract players and future signings.

An update on the recruitment of a new manager.

They might not be a bad start ?

We’re talking about VK and the current status.

[ClaretTony]

What is there to tell?

The boards reaction to relegation with a positive statement of intent going forward.

A positive statement to counteract the negative reports in the national press about the clubs finances.

A positive statement about the clubs plan regarding out of contract players and future signings.

An update on the recruitment of a new manager.

They might not be a bad start ?

Absolutely

[2 Bee Holed]

.....and announcing that you've released a player and then signing them again isn't great PR.

Now that had amused me. It just appeals to my sense of humour.

It is something I don't recall us ever having done, but sadly, I think we are quite capable of it.

[Zlatan]

Now that had amused me. It just appeals to my sense of humour.

It is something I don't recall us ever having done, but sadly, I think we are quite capable of it.

technically speaking we sort of did that with Aaron Lennon...

[ClaretTony]

technically speaking we sort of did that with Aaron Lennon...

A year apart though

[gandhisflipflop]

This is an underrated point. This board and its members have been huge advocates for mental health. There are a number of thoughtful threads that demonstrate the compassion of members supporting each other as men through difficult times and situations.

I don’t see how there isn’t more understanding towards the chairman and social media. It’s horrendous reading at times and wading through that would exhaust anyone.

Agreed. I’ve long held the belief that a lot of our supports do not deserve Pace, as some have and never will give them a chance. If pace succeeds at Burnley, it will be in spite of those supporters, not because of. Had we won against Newcastle I can guarantee not one person would have apologised to Pace for the abuse.