Summer 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[Passing Clouds]

https://www.the42.ie/luke-mcnally-2-574 ... 022/?amp=1

Good read… sounds decent

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Loosely linked to Percy Tau now. Just going to be a parade of links to ex Man C, young Man C, Anderlecht and anywhere in Belgium players now.

[RVclaret]

As there have been many reports linking Collins with a move 1. its looking inevitable now but 2. not one mention of a release clause. This is interesting because surely the media would have picked up on that by now.

Let’s hope, due to the interest, there can be somewhat of a bidding war and we can get somewhere between 25-30. Brighton got 50m for Ben White, and I actually think Collins has a higher ceiling than him!

25m would be a 12.5m profit with let’s say 20% of that going to Stoke so around 2.5m, meaning we make 10m and wipe off our transfer debt to Stoke. It’s a loss but what can we do? Vital we keep McNeil.

[Woodleyclaret]

Nathan Collins looks a class act we .must hold onto him and talk of giving him away for a paltry £25m resisted.Hes on a long-term contract and if there is no release clause we must ensure he honours this

[RVclaret]

Here is some nice data on Luke McNally who looks like Collins replacement.

[claretandy]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/18938089 ... 1655671874

Looking likely Collins is leaving

You said that about Pope, still no evidence for it. Until an actual credible journalist comes up with a story, then it's all just speculation.

[Newcastleclaret93]

https://www.dhnet.be/sports/football/di ... zY.twitter

Another link to a CB. Moussa Sissaka from Standard in the Belgian league

[BigChaCha]

Looking likely Collins is leaving.

You said that about Pope, still no evidence for it. Until an actual credible journalist comes up with a story, then it's all just speculation

When the player himself has been saying that they haven't a clue where they will be playing in the coming season when asked, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work it out!

[eastcoastclaret]

When the player himself has been saying that they haven't a clue where they will be playing in the coming season when asked, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work it out!

I may be mistaken, but I think he said it once in an interview. An interview in which he also said he was bringing Josh Cullen with him back to Burnley.

[Andreshotboots]

Ben Mee’s injury was actually a double whammy for us. Not only did it deny us our skipper in the crucial relegation run in, it also unfortunately showcased Collins talents to the inevitable vultures once relegation was confirmed.

I’m not sure whether to be excited for this season, or terrified. We knew the squad needed a major overhaul but the team that rolls out for the first Championship game will be completely unrecognisable to us all.

On the glass half full side of things, at least there won’t be any relation hangovers and players thinking they don’t want to be at the club or in this league, that has prevented many a team from returning back to the Premier League over the years.

It’s going to be one hell of an interesting season for sure… UTC.

[jedi_master]

Gutted about Collins but if there is no release clause he will get £25-£30m as long as Pace is even mildly competent.

For reference to this, Brighton paid Bristol City £20m for 24 year old Adam Webster. A player who had not played in the Premier League, had not played internationally, had not already been transferred for £12m and this was 3 years ago.

Anything less than £25m and it truly is joke territory.

[NewClaret]

I may be mistaken, but I think he said it once in an interview. An interview in which he also said he was bringing Josh Cullen with him back to Burnley.

He’s also said: “we want to get back to where we belong, Burnley deserves to be in the Premier League, it is a Premier League club”.

And also spoken very highly of Kompany & his achievements.

I agree that some of the other comments re: “nobody knows” cast doubt, but some of the others suggest he’s not checked out yet either.

[DCWat]

If Collins does go, I hope that there is a really hefty sell on clause included in the deal.

[ksrclaret]

If Collins does go, I hope that there is a really hefty sell on clause included in the deal.

Good point. If he does somewhere like Leicester or Wolves there’s a large probability he could be moving on again in a year or two.

[Smile]

If Collins does go, I hope that there is a really hefty sell on clause included in the deal.

I'd be wanting at least 25% for sure.

[Fretters]

Probably nothing in it but Todd Cantwell, who has been heavily linked with Blackburn, has 'liked' a post on Twitter about Kompany being appointed. Be funny if we gazumped them.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Probably nothing in it but Todd Cantwell, who has been heavily linked with Blackburn, has 'liked' a post on Twitter about Kompany being appointed. Be funny if we gazumped them.

A player who seems to have lost his way. Always looked a bit lightweight to me but the type of position we need to urgently strengthen.

[tiger76]

Probably nothing in it but Todd Cantwell, who has been heavily linked with Blackburn, has 'liked' a post on Twitter about Kompany being appointed. Be funny if we gazumped them.

Cantwell is an interesting shout, he's not featured much for Norwich under Dean Smith, and he's now in the final year of his contract, so Norwich would likely be open to any reasonable offers.

He does tick a lot of boxes, still only 24, good knowledge of the Championship, and can play anywhere across the midfield.

And as you say if we could pip Rovers that would make it all the sweeter.

[RVclaret]

Cantwell is one of those who thinks he made it before he did, driving round in a Lambo at 20 etc. All got to his head and he’s incidentally completely lost his way on the pitch. Didn’t even feature much for Bournemouth when he went there on loan. Stay well clear.

[IanMcL]

Nathan Collins looks a class act we .must hold onto him and talk of giving him away for a paltry £25m resisted.Hes on a long-term contract and if there is no release clause we must ensure he honours this

I agree!
Collins has been consistently outstanding at Prem and International level. His value should be huge, given his age and yet reports suggest Burnley would be happy to get £25m! Absolutely barmy.

Let's hope that was just made up.

[claretandy]

Nixon saying wolves are in for Collins.

[NewClaret]

Nixon saying wolves are in for Collins.

I think I’m going to have to switch my phone off until September!!!

[Murger]

I think it's safe to say Collins is on his way. Hopefully there isn't a release clause, which will cause a bidding war.

[BuryClaret]

The rebuilding job getting bigger by the day.

[RVclaret]

Nixon’s report suggests we want 40m for Collins.

Again, no mention of release clause, promising.

[ClaretTony]

I think it's safe to say Collins is on his way. Hopefully there isn't a release clause, which will cause a bidding war.

Sadly we have to sell these players because of the financial state of the club.

[Murger]

Sadly we have to sell these players because of the financial state of the club.

When the numbers are as high as £40m, I think we'd have sold whoever was in charge.

[Lancasterclaret]

We can't keep players in the championship because we don't have a spare billionaire to keep the wages high (see Fulham etc) and its a short career

The financial situation doesn't help, but its actually fairly sensible to sell players for more than we paid for them as that is the only way we are going to be able to compete in the future

If we get £40 million for Collins then no one can complain at that

[joey13]

When the numbers are as high as £40m, I think we'd have sold whoever was in charge.

And spend on quality replacements instead of servicing a debt .

[Lancasterclaret]

And spend on quality replacements instead of servicing a debt .

If all the money we are raising is going on servicing the debt, then a lot of people on here owe the people who have been warning about the debt a massive apology

[RVclaret]

Sadly we have to sell these players because of the financial state of the club.

Or maybe because they are PL players and in high demand by PL clubs. But whatever fits your narrative.

[Lancasterclaret]

Or maybe because they are PL players and in high demand by PL clubs. But whatever fits your narrative.

If we see Collins for £40 million, and replace him with McNally for £1.75m from League One, then I think I'll be drawing my own conclusions and I doubt I'll be alone

Doesn't mean I think we are in that sort of trouble btw, I don't, but there clearly is a pressure on us to raise funds, and if its not spent on replacing players, then where is it going?

[RVclaret]

If we see Collins for £40 million, and replace him with McNally for £1.75m from League One, then I think I'll be drawing my own conclusions and I doubt I'll be alone

Doesn't mean I think we are in that sort of trouble btw, I don't, but there clearly is a pressure on us to raise funds, and if its not spent on replacing players, then where is it going?

What if McNally then gets sold for 20m in a years time? Will that be unreal business? If the owners triple their investment on Collins in a year do you think they’ll receive any credit?

[Murger]

And spend on quality replacements instead of servicing a debt .

Or to bulk up Garlicks personal gain in the event of a sale.

[Lancasterclaret]

What if McNally then gets sold for 20m in a years time? Will that be unreal business? If the owners triple their investment on Collins in a year do you think they’ll receive any credit?

But you are making a massive assumption (which by the way, is how we should be run, buy young and cheap, sell for more. I've no problem with that at all)

I think Collins is overpriced at £40 million (he is a great talent, but there are mistakes in his game) but if we get offered that, then of course we have to sell

But our current centre half combination for a return to the premier league is Kevin Long and a lad who had a successful loan spell at Barrow in League Two, plus a rumoured interest in a CH from League One (and one from Swansea)

I've been banging on about this for a bit, but the statements from the chairman about ambition and getting back to the premier league is a priority, with the rumoured signings suggest something completely different

[ClaretTony]

Or maybe because they are PL players and in high demand by PL clubs. But whatever fits your narrative.

Not my narrative - Pace said it, players will have to be sold for financial reasons if we go down.

[ClaretTony]

When the numbers are as high as £40m, I think we'd have sold whoever was in charge.

You'd think so but we were offered around that for Tarky two years ago and didn't take it. I think the chairman at the time wanted to though.

[RVclaret]

Not my narrative - Pace said it, players will have to be sold for financial reasons if we go down.

Vincent Kompany also admitted that’s a given when you are relegated. Every player has a price. As long as we aren’t selling on the cheap, it is what it is, Collins is an outstanding talent and probably too good for the Champ.

[Nori1958]

Or maybe because they are PL players and in high demand by PL clubs. But whatever fits your narrative.

Players always leave on relegation, but this season some think its only because we have new owners... If, and it's a big if, we were offered 40mil for Collins we'd be mad to turn it down, as would have been the same at any point in the clubs history.

[ClaretTony]

Vincent Kompany also admitted that’s a given when you are relegated. Every player has a price. As long as we aren’t selling on the cheap, it is what it is, Collins is an outstanding talent and probably too good for the Champ.

No argument with that but the circumstances are very different know with this club loaded with debt. Can't you see how different that is?

[Nori1958]

You'd think so but we were offered around that for Tarky two years ago and didn't take it. I think the chairman at the time wanted to though.

Would have sold had we been relegated

[ClaretTony]

Would have sold had we been relegated

I'm sure we would have

[jedi_master]

If we see Collins for £40 million, and replace him with McNally for £1.75m from League One, then I think I'll be drawing my own conclusions and I doubt I'll be alone

Doesn't mean I think we are in that sort of trouble btw, I don't, but there clearly is a pressure on us to raise funds, and if its not spent on replacing players, then where is it going?

Yes agreed.

I won’t be having a go at it if we do it this way, I want the loan gone. If we sell Collins, Cornet, Weghorst and Pope and immediately delete the reliance on MSD, that’s fine by me - in fact I’ll be delighted.

We could then maybe wheel and deal with the parachute payments on lower league/foreign youngsters and get loans in etc.

[Mattster]

But you are making a massive assumption (which by the way, is how we should be run, buy young and cheap, sell for more. I've no problem with that at all)

I think Collins is overpriced at £40 million (he is a great talent, but there are mistakes in his game) but if we get offered that, then of course we have to sell

But our current centre half combination for a return to the premier league is Kevin Long and a lad who had a successful loan spell at Barrow in League Two, plus a rumoured interest in a CH from League One (and one from Swansea)

I've been banging on about this for a bit, but the statements from the chairman about ambition and getting back to the premier league is a priority, with the rumoured signings suggest something completely different

You're forgetting Jacob Bedeau who had a successful loan in League 1 last season when talking about our current options.

Personally I don't see any issue with selling for huge fees (and I imagine we're more likely looking at around £20-25m for Collins which I'd still consider huge at Championship level) and replacing with top young players at the level below for a lot less money. It's basically what we've done before, only the level below was the Championship previously. If we'd sold Tarks for £50m and then bought Worrall for £10m I doubt there'd have been loud complaints.

We just need to adjust and see that top young talents from League 1 are currently the equivalent to when we were shopping in the Championship as a Premiership club. The beauty of it in a way is that League 1 is so much cheaper to buy from than the Championship and we're still selling to Premier League clubs so the margins are bigger which should give us plenty of money to sort the finances and buy players.

Luke McNally looks a fantastic buy in the data, reports I'm reading and the clips I've watched. Hopefully he's an indication of the work the recruitment team is doing and we can make best use of this one time opportunity we have.

[Somethingfishy]

Not my narrative - Pace said it, players will have to be sold for financial reasons if we go down.

Isn't that the case for the majority of relegated teams from the Prem? There is also the added pressure from the players themselves looking to stay in the Prem and to protect their income.It is nothing new and anyone who thinks we could keep the squad intact is deluded.
However to blame it squarely on the way Pace bought the club is also wrong and just suits the narrative.

On the flip side..if a lot of these rumours prove to be true..then I am struggling to think of a relegated club which will have undergone such a big change in playing staff.

[Lancasterclaret]

You're forgetting Jacob Bedeau who had a successful loan in League 1 last season when talking about our current options.

Personally I don't see any issue with selling for huge fees (and I imagine we're more likely looking at around £20-25m for Collins which I'd still consider huge at Championship level) and replacing with top young players at the level below for a lot less money. It's basically what we've done before, only the level below was the Championship previously. If we'd sold Tarks for £50m and then bought Worrall for £10m I doubt there'd have been loud complaints.

We just need to adjust and see that top young talents from League 1 are currently the equivalent to when we were shopping in the Championship as a Premiership club. The beauty of it in a way is that League 1 is so much cheaper to buy from than the Championship and we're still selling to Premier League clubs so the margins are bigger which should give us plenty of money to sort the finances and buy players.

Luke McNally looks a fantastic buy in the data, reports I'm reading and the clips I've watched. Hopefully he's an indication of the work the recruitment team is doing and we can make best use of this one time opportunity we have.

Right, I'll add a centre half who played for Morecambe in League One

All this doesn't suggest a push for promotion, with all the will in the world though!

[boyyanno]

You're forgetting Jacob Bedeau who had a successful loan in League 1 last season when talking about our current options.

Personally I don't see any issue with selling for huge fees (and I imagine we're more likely looking at around £20-25m for Collins which I'd still consider huge at Championship level) and replacing with top young players at the level below for a lot less money. It's basically what we've done before, only the level below was the Championship previously. If we'd sold Tarks for £50m and then bought Worrall for £10m I doubt there'd have been loud complaints.

We just need to adjust and see that top young talents from League 1 are currently the equivalent to when we were shopping in the Championship as a Premiership club. The beauty of it in a way is that League 1 is so much cheaper to buy from than the Championship and we're still selling to Premier League clubs so the margins are bigger which should give us plenty of money to sort the finances and buy players.

Luke McNally looks a fantastic buy in the data, reports I'm reading and the clips I've watched. Hopefully he's an indication of the work the recruitment team is doing and we can make best use of this one time opportunity we have.

The issue isn't about selling for huge fees, it's about being left with a team that consists of players not capable of getting out of the division. McNally looks a good prospect for sure, but none of the defenders we have been linked with so far look like Promotion worthy defenders (yet). That includes Long. When you consider we are likely replacing Mee, Tarks, and maybe Collins, I'd like to think we will sign a more established type of player. There has to be a mix/balance. Should we not and the majority of the money goes to service the debt then we've basically been asset stripped imo.

[Pearcey]

Right, I'll add a centre half who played for Morecambe in League One

All this doesn't suggest a push for promotion, with all the will in the world though!

This is my concern with the centre halves we’ve been linked with. Can’t believe I’m saying I’m glad we’ve still got Kevin Long!

[Passing Clouds]

Who is the recruitment team?

[RVclaret]

On the flip side..if a lot of these rumours prove to be true..then I am struggling to think of a relegated club which will have undergone such a big change in playing staff.

Bournemouth when they went down last time werent far off.

They lost

Ake
Ramsdale
C Wilson
Arter
Fraser
Defoe
King
Gosling
Surman
Daniels
Francis
H Wilson (end of loan)

80m incoming yet spent 0 in that window

They’d just lost 65m the previous season in the PL

No one mentions our impressive near break even on the latest accounts during covid period, one of the best results in the PL