Richarlison flare thrower

[tiger76]

Blatant cop out by the authorities, but I suppose they had to be seen to take action.

[claptrappers_union]

He didn't throw anything into the crowd though

He threw it into we're people where stood around though

[Devils_Advocate]

He threw it into we're people where stood around though

No he didnt, he threw into an area under the scoreboard which is cordoned off and empty. Im not defending his actions but if we are going to criticise him lets be factual and not just exaggerate it to suit our own argument.

Had Richarlison threw the smoke bomb into the crowd then I have no doubt he would have been immediately suspended and faced far stronger repercussions.

Trying to make a comparison between what Richarlison did and someone throwing something like a coin or a bottle etc directly at and into the crowd as Spijed did is a false equivilence and it does nothing for the arguments of conspiracy theory nutjobs who reside on here and think the world is against little old Burnley

[AwayClaret]

Boring as usual.

[Goody1975]

No he didnt, he threw into an area under the scoreboard which is cordoned off and empty. Im not defending his actions but if we are going to criticise him lets be factual and not just exaggerate it to suit our own argument.

Had Richarlison threw the smoke bomb into the crowd then I have no doubt he would have been immediately suspended and faced far stronger repercussions.

Trying to make a comparison between what Richarlison did and someone throwing something like a coin or a bottle etc directly at and into the crowd as Spijed did is a false equivilence and it does nothing for the arguments of conspiracy theory nutjobs who reside on here and think the world is against little old Burnley

It then bounced off the wall and landed in an area where spectators were stood, so yes he did.

Did he aim it at an area where they were stood,? No but that isn't the point.

[Devils_Advocate]

It then bounced off the wall and landed in an area where spectators were stood, so yes he did.

Did he aim it at an area where they were stood,? No but that isn't the point.

Its exactly the point if you are stating that the punishment Richarlison has received sets a precedent for anyone throwing anything directly into the crowd which is what Spijed was doing.

Im not defending Richarlison and was one of the first on the original thread to say he deserves to get pulled up on it but making false equivalences or exaggerating the facts does nothing for anyone's argument or for a sensible and balanced discussion.

I except that some on here either aren't capable or just aren't interested in a balanced discussion but that wont stop me pulling them up on it

[Burnley Ace]

He didn't throw anything into the crowd though

He threw a pyrotechnic whilst inside a football stadium

[Devils_Advocate]

He threw a pyrotechnic whilst inside a football stadium

Yep and whats your point?

[claptrappers_union]

No he didnt, he threw into an area under the scoreboard which is cordoned off and empty. Im not defending his actions but if we are going to criticise him lets be factual and not just exaggerate it to suit our own argument.

Had Richarlison threw the smoke bomb into the crowd then I have no doubt he would have been immediately suspended and faced far stronger repercussions.

Trying to make a comparison between what Richarlison did and someone throwing something like a coin or a bottle etc directly at and into the crowd as Spijed did is a false equivilence and it does nothing for the arguments of conspiracy theory nutjobs who reside on here and think the world is against little old Burnley

There's nowhere inside the bowl of the stadium at Everton were people are not present. Under the scoreboard is the tunnel, where theres security personnel, club officials and medical staff. Just because theres isn't 'fans' in that area, there is still people in that vicinity and its still crowded.

[Devils_Advocate]

There's nowhere inside the bowl of the stadium at Everton were people are not present. Under the scoreboard is the tunnel, where theres security personnel, club officials and medical staff. Just because theres isn't 'fans' in that area, there is still people in that vicinity and its still crowded.

He didn't throw it down the tunnel. Underneath the scoreboard is an empty area that is part of the stand but is not used and was empty and that is where he threw it.

Now in throwing it there he threw it over the top of the disabled fans section and as I've repeatedly said he deserves his punishment because what he did was reckless.

What I have also said is what he did is not the same as throwing it into the crowd in the same way that Carragher threw that coin at the Arsenal fans and that those who keep stating Richarlison threw the the smoke bomb or whatever it was into the crowd are not being factual.

Finally and for the specific point I have made today the idea that Spijed put forward that Richarilsons punishment sets a precedent for any playier throwing anything directly into the crowd is clearly a load of nonsense and just not true

[Zlatan]

Yep and whats your point?

I think the point is that a pyrotechnic device is a banned item and it is dangerous to throw it anywhere within the vicinity of anyone at all wherever he tried to throw it. It would have been easy to mis throw it and blind someone, he got lucky. His best course of action would have been to leave the authorities to deal with it, but he didn’t. He broke the rules (and the law) by picking it up and throwing it. You cannot make any comparisons to any other incident unless it also includes a pyrotechnic device.

I think, quite rightly, that there is something wrong with the way this has been handled. It should have been dealt with within days, and it should have been a much longer ban.

For the record DA, when you offer a “balanced” view, please do offer both unbiased viewpoints, not just one inflammatory opinion which is intended to cause division.

[Devils_Advocate]

I think the point is that a pyrotechnic device is a banned item and it is dangerous to throw it anywhere within the vicinity of anyone at all wherever he tried to throw it. It would have been easy to mis throw it and blind someone, he got lucky. His best course of action would have been to leave the authorities to deal with it, but he didn’t. He broke the rules (and the law) by picking it up and throwing it. You cannot make any comparisons to any other incident unless it also includes a pyrotechnic device.

I think, quite rightly, that there is something wrong with the way this has been handled. It should have been dealt with within days, and it should have been a much longer ban.

For the record DA, when you offer a “balanced” view, please do offer both unbiased viewpoints, not just one inflammatory opinion which is intended to cause division.

Go back to post 5 on this thread and you will see me clearly state that I think he should get a ban

Not defending him cos he was a right idiot and could well get a ban but let at lest be honest about the facts and criticise him for what he did rather than for the exaggerated version.
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Like I said for a player to pick up anything of that nature and throw it back in the vicinity of the fans is not on but there is no need to make stuff up to have a go at him cos his actual actions were bad enough

What I've also been consisting in stating is he did not throw it into the crowd and again for want of repeating myself I've said the Spijed assertion that this sets a precident for anyone throwing anything directly into the crowd is not true because thats not what Richarlison did.

Now feel free to disagree with any of the points Ive actually made on this thread but dont argue a point against me that I didn't make because thats what you and some others seem to be doing.

To summarise my main three points

Did he throw it into the crowd - No
Was throwing it anywhere reckless and wrong and deserve punishment - Yes
Does his punishment set a precedent for players throwing objects directly into the crowd at supporters - No

[Zlatan]

Go back to post 5 on this thread and you will see me clearly state that I think he should get a ban



What I've also been consisting in stating is he did not throw it into the crowd and again for want of repeating myself I've said the Spijed assertion that this sets a precident for anyone throwing anything directly into the crowd is not true because thats not what Richarlison did.

Now feel free to disagree with any of the points Ive actually made on this thread but dont argue a point against me that I didn't make because thats what you and some others seem to be doing.

To summarise my main three points

Did he throw it into the crowd - No
Was throwing it anywhere reckless and wrong and deserve punishment - Yes
Does his punishment set a precedent for players throwing objects directly into the crowd at supporters - No

I understand your viewpoint on this issue and generally I don’t disagree except what I stated above. However, to summarise my main point which was:

For the record DA, when you offer a “balanced” view, please do offer both unbiased viewpoints, not just one inflammatory opinion which is intended to cause division.

You do it a lot on many threads. I’m merely asking for you to be fair and consistent DA, it is the main reason I get annoyed at your contributions, and perhaps I shouldn’t and perhaps I should just ignore it when you do it. I’m certainly no angel either and I can be argumentative with many on here, but you appear to see it as a kind of sport, and it gets tiresome.

[martin_p]

I understand your viewpoint on this issue and generally I don’t disagree except what I stated above. However, to summarise my main point which was:

For the record DA, when you offer a “balanced” view, please do offer both unbiased viewpoints, not just one inflammatory opinion which is intended to cause division.

You do it a lot on many threads. I’m merely asking for you to be fair and consistent DA, it is the main reason I get annoyed at your contributions, and perhaps I shouldn’t and perhaps I should just ignore it when you do it. I’m certainly no angel either and I can be argumentative with many on here, but you appear to see it as a kind of sport, and it gets tiresome.

That’s a bit like asking Boris Johnson to stick to the truth

[IanMcL]

Banned for one game in the end.

Yes - mot the game from which he should have been banned and made a difference. Also, no longer affecting the responsible club.

[Devils_Advocate]

I understand your viewpoint on this issue and generally I don’t disagree except what I stated above. However, to summarise my main point which was:

For the record DA, when you offer a “balanced” view, please do offer both unbiased viewpoints, not just one inflammatory opinion which is intended to cause division.

You do it a lot on many threads. I’m merely asking for you to be fair and consistent DA, it is the main reason I get annoyed at your contributions, and perhaps I shouldn’t and perhaps I should just ignore it when you do it. I’m certainly no angel either and I can be argumentative with many on here, but you appear to see it as a kind of sport, and it gets tiresome.

I barely ever get involved with any of the arguing and bickering that goes on on here and this is the first time for a long time I can remember me bothering to argue a point and I really believe on this thread my points are far more accurate and balanced than those im arguing against.

I often take a satirical stance with my posts cos you cant help but parody some of the nonsense on here but it is always done in a friendly and light hearted way and Im happy to laugh at myself and take plenty of stick back.

I dont post to wind people up but I do realise that some people will get wound up at what I post but that is not because what I post is inflammatory but because some people are so precious and sensitive.

Anyhow I know your a good bloke and outside of subjects relating directly to Burnley we prob have quite a similar view on life so please try to ignore me if anything I post niggles you cos that isnt my aim and its never that serious

[Burnley Ace]

Yep and whats your point?

Just clarifying what he did and if I could be bothered I would look up the Sentencing Guidelines for someone convicted of that offence. I’m sure a banning order would be involved.

[Burnley Ace]

https://www.thelawpages.com/court-cases/JG-10161-1.law

This poor lad got 28 days and a 6 year banning order and he didn’t recklessly throw it!

[claptrappers_union]

He didn't throw it down the tunnel. Underneath the scoreboard is an empty area that is part of the stand but is not used and was empty and that is where he threw it.

It’s not empty, I’ve worked there. There are people in that area during the game. It’s a tunnel that the away team used during Covid protocols.

There might not be thousands inthere, but you could argue that supporters shouldn’t be punished by throwing them on the pitch - as there’s only 23 people on it.

[Devils_Advocate]

It’s not empty, I’ve worked there. There are people in that area during the game. It’s a tunnel that the away team used during Covid protocols.

There might not be thousands inthere, but you could argue that supporters shouldn’t be punished by throwing them on the pitch - as there’s only 23 people on it.

He didn't throw it in the tunnel you are talking about so you obviously have no idea where he threw it so Id give up if I was you