Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[summitclaret]

Would any of us take losing Cornet to get O'Hare and 8/10m in the bank for other incomings? Posing the question....

Yes. He's hardly ever fit and I know nothing about O'Hare. P.S. the money is already spent.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Would any of us take losing Cornet to get O'Hare and 8/10m in the bank for other incomings? Posing the question....

If we could get a decent striker and Ohare for that value it would probably be worth it. But making that call takes some big balls

[Newcastleclaret93]

Any proven quality players linked yet? Like top championship performers, or players we’re beating significant other clubs for?

No not yet. But hopefully in the next few weeks there will be

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Cornet to Newcastle starting to do the rounds.

Lee Ryder from Chronicle live saying we have offered him to newcastle

It doesn't say we've offered him to Newcastle, just that he's been offered so it could be his agent hawking him around, because the same agent also represents some Newcastle players.

[Newcastleclaret93]

It doesn't say we've offered him to Newcastle, just that he's been offered so it could be his agent hawking him around, because the same agent also represents some Newcastle players.

Apologies should read he’s been offered to newcastle

[dsr]

From YouTube he very much reminds me off Andre Gray. Explosive pace and power but lacking of control

You don't say who you're talking about, but if he is 'another Andre Gray' then he's good enough for me. Championship Player of the Season and Golden Boot with 25 goals, wasn't it?

[dandeclaret]

You don’t need to be so negative about everything Dande.

Sean has gone mate, he won’t be back anytime soon.

Move on, embrace the change, you’ll feel much better for it.

Change is change…. And reality is reality. We’ll do very well to find a whole host of people playing below their appropriate level. It’s a huge risk, and one I find strange given the position the club was in. I also continue to find it interesting how lower league players are valued higher than players who have played most of their careers at higher levels. It’s a common theme in the world that potential is over rated compared to actual output. The easiest thing to sell is bags of potential…… one of the hardest things to do is get potential to achieve expectations.

[arise_sir_charge]

That’s as maybe but the reality is we were only heading one way and something had to change. That change nearly worked but sadly it didn’t and now we need to start afresh. Plus the players we had can’t go on forever, time has caught up with them.

We are now in a new world and another reality is that not every signing will work out, they never have and never will.

Potential is potential and without it every player that ever kicked a ball would start at a level and finish at the very same level. Players move up and down the levels so assuming one player is better than another because he’s played at an higher level previously is daft.

As for signing proven players, we survived for 6 years in the Premier League and we didn’t sign many proven players at that level, we tended to sign players with potential to play at that level.

[Sheedyclaret]

Change is change…. And reality is reality. We’ll do very well to find a whole host of people playing below their appropriate level. It’s a huge risk, and one I find strange given the position the club was in. I also continue to find it interesting how lower league players are valued higher than players who have played most of their careers at higher levels. It’s a common theme in the world that potential is over rated compared to actual output. The easiest thing to sell is bags of potential…… one of the hardest things to do is get potential to achieve expectations.

We still have a good core of experienced pros

[Goobs]

Wrong thread

[WiscoClaret]

No not yet. But hopefully in the next few weeks there will be

I've heard Cullen is actually mid level Prem quality... Take it with a grain of salt but most folks who have seen him rate him massively. Most thought he'd be on to a Prem team at the end of his contract and some are upset he's "taking the step down" to play with Kompany again.

[Firthy]

As much as I'm happy with our current signings, I'm still apprehensive about our chances this season. We need at least one proven goal scorer if not two. Barnes and JRod just don't have the goals in them IMO.

[dandeclaret]

That’s as maybe but the reality is we were only heading one way and something had to change. That change nearly worked but sadly it didn’t and now we need to start afresh. Plus the players we had can’t go on forever, time has caught up with them.

We are now in a new world and another reality is that not every signing will work out, they never have and never will.

Potential is potential and without it every player that ever kicked a ball would start at a level and finish at the very same level. Players move up and down the levels so assuming one player is better than another because he’s played at an higher level previously is daft.

As for signing proven players, we survived for 6 years in the Premier League and we didn’t sign many proven players at that level, we tended to sign players with potential to play at that level.

The difference being that we’ve just come from the premier league. It’s a time when you get to pick up the best of the rest as clubs aim to become yo-yo clubs. We’re not picking those players up. We seem to be picking up players who need to step up to be effective in the championship. Last time the club was relegated it signed Andre Gray…. Young, high performing in the championship and with potential, whereby one good season sees them lift the results of the club and become very valuable. This time we’re targeting players if a similar profile but on the leagues below that. It’s a big step to replace 4 first team regulars without targeting players of that calibre.

[Guller Bull]

Dande Meldrew cheer up ya grumpy git. Have a cup of tea.

[Spijed]

I've heard Cullen is actually mid level Prem quality... Take it with a grain of salt but most folks who have seen him rate him massively. Most thought he'd be on to a Prem team at the end of his contract and some are upset he's "taking the step down" to play with Kompany again.

Who knows how good a player can be until they perform at a higher level. Many championship players look great but struggle in the Prem.

We are definitely going into unknown territory with our signings.

[RVclaret]

The difference being that we’ve just come from the premier league. It’s a time when you get to pick up the best of the rest as clubs aim to become yo-yo clubs. We’re not picking those players up. We seem to be picking up players who need to step up to be effective in the championship. Last time the club was relegated it signed Andre Gray…. Young, high performing in the championship and with potential, whereby one good season sees them lift the results of the club and become very valuable. This time we’re targeting players if a similar profile but on the leagues below that. It’s a big step to replace 4 first team regulars without targeting players of that calibre.

We’ve signed two players from the league below? One being the leagues POTY with 20 goals and 13 assists, and the other being a highly rated young centre half who might not even start for us. When we were in the Prem, we would always look at the Championship and crave signing the best players from that level, why is it different now we are looking at the best players from the level below we are at?

By the way, Andre Gray type signings are now 15m+ at this level (Piroe and Diaz for example) which would break our transfer record in the PL.

[Nori1958]

It doesn't say we've offered him to Newcastle, just that he's been offered so it could be his agent hawking him around, because the same agent also represents some Newcastle players.

We need to sort out Cornet ASAP. In my view one of two things need to happen, otherwise, with the release clause we could lose him the last day of the window, or any other window
He either needs to be sold before the start of the season, or negotiate a new contract including the removal of the release clause.

The second option is very unlikely, so I would be looking to sell if a club meets the required figure, and hopefully use the funds to buy the elusive striker.

[beddie]

I’ve been an advocate of youth for some time but I’m now concerned we need to put some real emphasis on a striker or two, I’m sure the management will have that in hand. Incidentally, surprised to see Sterling moving to Chelsea.

[taio]

We need to sort out Cornet ASAP. In my view one of two things need to happen, otherwise, with the release clause we could lose him the last day of the window, or any other window
He either needs to be sold before the start of the season, or negotiate a new contract including the removal of the release clause.

The second option is very unlikely, so I would be looking to sell if a club meets the required figure, and hopefully use the funds to buy the elusive striker.

We won't have any option to sell if a club meets the required figure. We should hold out for that in my view. As you suggest, there's zero chance he's signing a new contract.

[Nori1958]

We won't have any option to sell if a club meets the required figure. We should hold out for that in my view. As you suggest, there's zero chance he's signing a new contract.

And that's the problem, we have no say when a club makes that offer, if it's after five games, as the window is shutting we won't have time to replace him

[dandeclaret]

Dande Meldrew cheer up ya grumpy git. Have a cup of tea.

You know me GB…. Always cheery even when I disagree with things. On my way to photograph Puffins, that will keep me cheery.

[taio]

And that's the problem, we have no say when a club makes that offer, if it's after five games, as the window is shutting we won't have time to replace him

It's nothing new and we have to deal with it. We should be pretty we'll covered by the time we've finished, assuming we sign a forward which seems an obvious gap right now.

[Woodleyclaret]

Imo I would cut Newcastle a deal Cornet for £12m and Chris Wood. We would then have a proven goalscorer with a stellar midfield to support him.

[taio]

Imo I would cut Newcastle a deal Cornet for £12m and Chris Wood. We would then have a proven goalscorer with a stellar midfield to support him.

Sounds realistic

[claretandy]

Imo I would cut Newcastle a deal Cornet for £12m and Chris Wood. We would then have a proven goalscorer with a stellar midfield to support him.

Wood is now on 90k a week, not happening.

[dandeclaret]

We’ve signed two players from the league below? One being the leagues POTY with 20 goals and 13 assists, and the other being a highly rated young centre half who might not even start for us. When we were in the Prem, we would always look at the Championship and crave signing the best players from that level, why is it different now we are looking at the best players from the level below we are at?

By the way, Andre Gray type signings are now 15m+ at this level (Piroe and Diaz for example) which would break our transfer record in the PL.

Has there ever been a player in the lower divisions who isn’t highly rated? Has there ever been a premier league academy youngster who isn’t highly rated. We’ve lost 4 first team starters, if these lads aren’t going to start even, then we’re even further behind than I was first concerned about.

Parachute payments, the reduction of the wage bill etc are there to allow for investment in suitable talent to become a yo-yo club. Or for Burnley, maybe it’s to widen the gap between expenditure and income for whatever reason that may be desirable.

[Top Claret]

I would sell Cornet we won't get value from him in the championship, he isn't physically or mentally strong enough

[FeedTheArf]

Imo I would cut Newcastle a deal Cornet for £12m and Chris Wood. We would then have a proven goalscorer with a stellar midfield to support him.

I know Newcastle have money to burn (but don’t seem to be going crazy as some thought they would), but I can’t seem them valuing the bloke they paid £25m for in January at £5.5m.

Even less likely than that is Chris Wood wanting to return.

Even less likely than that is Kompany wanting him back.

[Top Claret]

I know Newcastle have money to burn (but don’t seem to be going crazy as some thought they would), but I can’t seem them valuing the bloke they paid £25m for in January at £5.5m.

Even less likely than that is Chris Wood wanting to return.

Even less likely than that is Kompany wanting him back.

We can't afford Woods wage, he is way out of ourd and most premier League clubs League

[Gp8419]

I would sell Cornet we won't get value from him in the championship, he isn't physically or mentally strong enough

Exactly we won’t get value off him in this league.He won’t stay fit he was hobbling around every match in the prem.He won’t be around sat/tues then sat/tues in the winter in this league no chance.He won’t be staying anyway you can see there planning without him being here.

[arise_sir_charge]

The difference being that we’ve just come from the premier league. It’s a time when you get to pick up the best of the rest as clubs aim to become yo-yo clubs. We’re not picking those players up. We seem to be picking up players who need to step up to be effective in the championship. Last time the club was relegated it signed Andre Gray…. Young, high performing in the championship and with potential, whereby one good season sees them lift the results of the club and become very valuable. This time we’re targeting players if a similar profile but on the leagues below that. It’s a big step to replace 4 first team regulars without targeting players of that calibre.

The problem is; there might not be an Andre Gray available.

Also if you look at his career trajectory it’s not dissimilar to what we are trying to do with the players we are bringing in. We could have got Gray for 1/5 of what we paid had we gone for him 12 months earlier.

[RVclaret]

Has there ever been a player in the lower divisions who isn’t highly rated? Has there ever been a premier league academy youngster who isn’t highly rated. We’ve lost 4 first team starters, if these lads aren’t going to start even, then we’re even further behind than I was first concerned about.

Parachute payments, the reduction of the wage bill etc are there to allow for investment in suitable talent to become a yo-yo club. Or for Burnley, maybe it’s to widen the gap between expenditure and income for whatever reason that may be desirable.

That’s just a daft question. Of course there are many many players that aren’t rated.

But we have signed two of the highest rated players from the league below. That’s according to research available to us inc data, reviews from pundits / their club fans, watching them live on occasions, as well as most importantly our clubs recruitment team and manager. Kompany has made it clear he wants to use our existing experienced core to allow for the development of younger exciting players. He has a track record of success doing this already in a few short years at Anderlecht.

Harwood Bellis already has 2 seasons at this level. If / when we sign Cullen, he’s 26 years old and a full international - Ireland fans can’t believe he’s coming to the Championship and that he’s easily a PL quality player. Brennan Johnson was One of the leagues best players last season despite 0 minutes at the level previously, after a good season at League One on loan - Twine is more likely than not to be similar.

If you expected us to rebuild with 8 new signings all at ‘Andre Gray’ cost then you are looking at 30-40m spend, which in my opinion is entirely unrealistic, before even getting into their higher wages (for this level). I’d personally much prefer the wage bill being managed sustainably in the event we don’t go up.

[RVclaret]

Austrian keeper Peter Pentz is of interest to us on a free transfer according to Alan Nixon. He says Muric is still the first choice but we may bring Pentz in too as we look to shake up this department.

[taio]

That’s just a daft question. Of course there are many many players that aren’t rated.

But we have signed two of the highest rated players from the league below. That’s according to research available to us inc data, reviews from pundits / their club fans, watching them live on occasions, as well as most importantly our clubs recruitment team and manager. Kompany has made it clear he wants to use our existing experienced core to allow for the development of younger exciting players. He has a track record of success doing this already in a few short years at Anderlecht.

Harwood Bellis already has 2 seasons at this level. If / when we sign Cullen, he’s 26 years old and a full international - Ireland fans can’t believe he’s coming to the Championship and that he’s easily a PL quality player. Brennan Johnson was One of the leagues best players last season despite 0 minutes at the level previously, after a good season at League One on loan - Twine is more likely than not to be similar.

If you expected us to rebuild with 8 new signings all at ‘Andre Gray’ cost then you are looking at 30-40m spend, which in my opinion is entirely unrealistic, before even getting into their higher wages (for this level). I’d personally much prefer the wage bill being managed sustainably in the event we don’t go up.

I think his point is it's quite risky. He's right. There are lots if unknowns until the season starts and beyond.

I don't think he's suggesting we sign 8 new players at that cost. There were and are players in a different mould that would provide more balance.

I'm looking forward to the season and can appreciate Pace and Kompany's strategy. If it works the rewards will be greater.

[dandeclaret]

That’s just a daft question. Of course there are many many players that aren’t rated.

But we have signed two of the highest rated players from the league below. That’s according to research available to us inc data, reviews from pundits / their club fans, watching them live on occasions, as well as most importantly our clubs recruitment team and manager. Kompany has made it clear he wants to use our existing experienced core to allow for the development of younger exciting players. He has a track record of success doing this already in a few short years at Anderlecht.

Harwood Bellis already has 2 seasons at this level. If / when we sign Cullen, he’s 26 years old and a full international - Ireland fans can’t believe he’s coming to the Championship and that he’s easily a PL quality player. Brennan Johnson was One of the leagues best players last season despite 0 minutes at the level previously, after a good season at League One on loan - Twine is more likely than not to be similar.

If you expected us to rebuild with 8 new signings all at ‘Andre Gray’ cost then you are looking at 30-40m spend, which in my opinion is entirely unrealistic, before even getting into their higher wages (for this level). I’d personally much prefer the wage bill being managed sustainably in the event we don’t go up.

I live in Ireland, there’s never been much talk about Cullen. Plus, they thought Wes Hoolahan should have been at a top half premier league club.

I didn’t expect them all to be at Andre Gray level, but it would be good to be there need to be a couple. The club arent even linked with players of that calibre, there are links to another lower league player, a player on the downgrade, a cheap prem academy cast off or cheap imports from weaker European leagues. Some may pay off, and we all hope they do, but the statistical reality is, that most of these won’t be of a suitable level to go out of the championship at the upper end.

[RVclaret]

I live in Ireland, there’s never been much talk about Cullen. Plus, they thought Wes Hoolahan should have been at a top half premier league club.

I didn’t expect them all to be at Andre Gray level, but it would be good to be there need to be a couple. The club arent even linked with players of that calibre, there are links to another lower league player, a player on the downgrade, a cheap prem academy cast off or cheap imports from weaker European leagues. Some may pay off, and we all hope they do, but the statistical reality is, that most of these won’t be of a suitable level to go out of the championship at the upper end.

Well he’s a regular starter for them and by all accounts has been the first name on the team sheet for Anderlecht over the past couple of seasons.

We’ve just been linked with O’Hare, one of the Championships top attacking midfielders over the past few seasons? Reports suggest we are finding that move too expensive and they want over 8m. Coventry also want north of 15m for Gyrokes, Boro have been quoted - similar amount of goals scored to Gray before we signed him, by the way. Do you honestly think we’d spend all of our budget on one player? Isn’t that more risky?

[jedi_master]

At the risk of breaking the ‘no financial discussion’ aspect of this thread, the other point is that the loan against us has probably changed the type of target we’re aiming for in our position.

We clearly now want to buy low, sell high and to become a more sustainable club - as opposed to attempting to buy our way out of this league with players who are 28-30 ‘proven’ at this level that still don’t guarantee promotion. I’d have like a couple of those (Wallace especially), and surely the belief we tried for him shows that Kompany does too.

I’d like to see a bit of Championship experience coming in to supplement what we have signed (particularly a striker) but I think the signings we’ve made so far seem (on paper) quite shrewd with the ability to make us a lot of cash in the future. Of course, they could be hopeless, but their career trajectories so far provide optimism (maybe bar Bastien, who is clearly more of a gamble in terms of his form having dropped apparently).

It’s all one giant mystery this season, I find that exciting personally. Nobody on either side of this debate can be certain how it will go - we’ll find out quickly if we’re signing players to fight promotion with or whether they’re out of their depth.

[Mattster]

Austrian keeper Peter Pentz is of interest to us on a free transfer according to Alan Nixon. He says Muric is still the first choice but we may bring Pentz in too as we look to shake up this department.

Patrick Pentz signed for Reims yesterday...

[TsarBomba]

I live in Ireland, there’s never been much talk about Cullen. Plus, they thought Wes Hoolahan should have been at a top half premier league club.

I didn’t expect them all to be at Andre Gray level, but it would be good to be there need to be a couple. The club arent even linked with players of that calibre, there are links to another lower league player, a player on the downgrade, a cheap prem academy cast off or cheap imports from weaker European leagues. Some may pay off, and we all hope they do, but the statistical reality is, that most of these won’t be of a suitable level to go out of the championship at the upper end.

We need to overhaul the squad. It’s completely unrealistic every signing to be like Andre Gray, who was a marquee signing.

We’re still likely to lose some of Collins, McNeil, Cornet, Brownhill and maybe Roberts, before the window shuts.

If we do, then I think it will be reasonable to expect direct replacement. O’Hare for example being one of them.

So far, we can be pleased with our recruitment.

[TsarBomba]

Edit- duplication

[RVclaret]

Patrick Pentz signed for Reims yesterday...

Nixon miles off it with that one then, got his name wrong too.

[Lancasterclaret]

The difference being that we’ve just come from the premier league. It’s a time when you get to pick up the best of the rest as clubs aim to become yo-yo clubs. We’re not picking those players up. We seem to be picking up players who need to step up to be effective in the championship. Last time the club was relegated it signed Andre Gray…. Young, high performing in the championship and with potential, whereby one good season sees them lift the results of the club and become very valuable. This time we’re targeting players if a similar profile but on the leagues below that. It’s a big step to replace 4 first team regulars without targeting players of that calibre.

You should post more Dan

There isn't enough realism on this board

We can't talk about the finances (because people are refusing to be realistic about them), pretty soon we won't be able to talk about how signing League One players to challenge at the top end of the championship might be a struggle

That doesn't mean I don't think we are going about it the right way btw, but the realistic aims for next season are a lot less than what many appear to be saying

[taio]

Well he’s a regular starter for them and by all accounts has been the first name on the team sheet for Anderlecht over the past couple of seasons.

We’ve just been linked with O’Hare, one of the Championships top attacking midfielders over the past few seasons? Reports suggest we are finding that move too expensive and they want over 8m. Coventry also want north of 15m for Gyrokes, Boro have been quoted - similar amount of goals scored to Gray before we signed him, by the way. Do you honestly think we’d spend all of our budget on one player? Isn’t that more risky?

Personally I would spend the majority of our remaining budget on a striker. To be fair though if we do our other signings will have allowed that to happen.

[dandeclaret]

Well he’s a regular starter for them and by all accounts has been the first name on the team sheet for Anderlecht over the past couple of seasons.

We’ve just been linked with O’Hare, one of the Championships top attacking midfielders over the past few seasons? Reports suggest we are finding that move too expensive and they want over 8m. Coventry also want north of 15m for Gyrokes, Boro have been quoted - similar amount of goals scored to Gray before we signed him, by the way. Do you honestly think we’d spend all of our budget on one player? Isn’t that more risky?

And the Irish National team is rotten at the moment, and Anderlecht finished 3rd in a 3 horse race. As bad as they’ve ever been. Most of the £15m is remaining from the Wood sale, let alone funds from Pope, plus surplus from the gap between Wages and parachute payments given all of the departures. It shouldn’t be all of the budget. There’s a need to fill significant gaps in the first team with suitable replacements, we have differing views on whether that has been done, and that’s what makes the game so open to discussion. I hope fully you are right, and I am as wrong as anything I’ve ever been. I just don’t see a very rosy picture at all at present, and think the club is taking a lot of unnecessary risks.

[RVclaret]

You should post more Dan

There isn't enough realism on this board

We can't talk about the finances (because people are refusing to be realistic about them), pretty soon we won't be able to talk about how signing League One players to challenge at the top end of the championship might be a struggle

Oh here we are the classic being negative is realistic post, top stuff

[Lancasterclaret]

Oh here we are the classic being negative is realistic post, top stuff

Ah, so you think anyone being realistic is negative?

Thats really helpful!

[Newcastleclaret93]

I've heard Cullen is actually mid level Prem quality... Take it with a grain of salt but most folks who have seen him rate him massively. Most thought he'd be on to a Prem team at the end of his contract and some are upset he's "taking the step down" to play with Kompany again.

I would argue potentially low end prem quality at best.

Mid table prem quality players don’t move for 2m euros

[RVclaret]

Ah, so you think anyone being realistic is negative?

Thats really helpful!

So you think anyone being positive/optimistic is not realistic?

That’s really helpful!

[taio]

Oh here we are the classic being negative is realistic post, top stuff

Dande speaks a lot sense. He's right to be cautious because of the degree of uncertainty and unknowns. Im sure he'll want to be proven wrong.

[Mattster]

I would sell Cornet we won't get value from him in the championship, he isn't physically or mentally strong enough

What are you basing him not being mentally strong enough on?