Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:41 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:37 pm
Collins is only 21, isn't he? Hardly what I'd describe as a senior pro.

What was Nick Pope?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:42 pm

burnleymik wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:38 pm
That's true, but he was a regular at Stoke in the Championship and now has Premier League experience under his belt. That would be invaluable with the players we now have in.

Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer him to stay, but he's far from the finished article, as his naivety in that final league game showed. A season at this level would have done him good in my opinion.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:43 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:40 pm
He tweeted Hull had bid 3m plus add ons for Scott Twine with a deal advancing.

Which was true, Twine chose us over Hull.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:43 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:41 pm
What was Nick Pope?

A keeper, why?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:44 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:40 pm
He tweeted Hull had bid 3m plus add ons for Scott Twine with a deal advancing.

Bid

And we came from nowhere for Twine (thankfully!)

He's about as reliable as its possible to be

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:44 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:35 pm
New policy of buying youth is only good if we keep our experienced players.

We can't expect to challenge for promotion with Hardwood-Bellis, Egan-Riley, Keving Long and Luke McNally as our centre backs.

It's just not going to happen.

Pace seems intent on accepting any offer we get for our senior pros.

Insanity.

Hardwood-Bellis could be a central plank of our defence this season

Stu · Post by **Stu** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:45 pm

Any news on the Cullen medical ?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:46 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:43 pm
Which was true, Twine chose us over Hull.

Yes very true and very reliable Percy - was referring to Lancaster’s specific comment that when he tweets it means it’s definitely happening.

While you are here, your post suggested Stoke will get 5/6m which I don’t believe is correct.

The clause will be % (15-20 as a guess) of profit (7/8m ish), which would work out to be around 1-1.5m in total to them.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:47 pm

dandeclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:16 pm
When do we get to ask the question legitimately on asset stripping?

Dont go there Dan. I had my arse kicked and handed to me last year when I suggested that it'd be on the cards at the first sign of stormy weather.

4 champagne players out of the club for beer prices.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:47 pm

Whilst understanding the logistics of relegation and the need to put 'our house in order'. However, I find it hard to believe we've agreed a release clause on Collins of around £20m. To me it doesn't make sense, especially taking into account the sell on clause Stoke will no doubt have included. I can't help feeling that if Collins does indeed move which now seems highly likely, our chances of a quick return to the PL are severely dented.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:47 pm

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:44 pm
Hardwood-Bellis could be a central plank of our defence this season

I hope he's better than a plank or we're in trouble!

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:47 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:43 pm
A keeper, why?

Thought I better check with an expert, saves any further errors.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:47 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:28 pm
Yes - interesting one this as no other outlet has reported it.

Nixon still thinks we want more than 20.5m.

This one came from John Percy and he's one you can virtually always rely on.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:48 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:46 pm
Yes very true and very reliable Percy - was referring to Lancaster’s specific comment that when he tweets it means it’s definitely happening.

While you are here, your post suggested Stoke will get 5/6m which I don’t believe is correct.

The clause will be % (15-20 as a guess) of profit (7/8m ish), which would work out to be around 1-1.5m in total to them.

The Stoke media saying Stoke will benefit from a 7 figure fee-thats suggests jto me ust over a million. If significantly more I think the figure would have been specified

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:48 pm

It could be that without the quoted release clauses, Collins and Cornet would not have signed for us.

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:49 pm

It’s not insanity, it’s reality. Had we stayed up, Collins would have had 2-3 seasons with us before potentially going for big money to a top club, that’s still the model. As it happens he’s going for less because he wants to go. Not hard to understand really.

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:49 pm

People slagging the club off for release clauses.

Do people actually think a lot of these talented players like Collins, Cornet etc would actually sign for us in the first place knowing we've always a chance of relegation if we didn't have them in their contracts?

Players hold all the power at a club like ours I'm afraid..

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:49 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:47 pm
This one came from John Percy and he's one you can virtually always rely on.

I’m hoping it’s a misplaced full stop and he means £205m.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:50 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:47 pm
Thought I better check with an expert, saves any further errors.

I don't see the relevance or comparison with Pope.

We've just sold him at the age of 30 after being our first choice keeper for a number of years.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:50 pm

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:49 pm
It’s not insanity, it’s reality. Had we stayed up, Collins would have had 2-3 seasons with us before potentially going for big money to a top club, that’s still the model. As it happens he’s going for less because he wants to go. Not hard to understand really.

Does he want to go? I've not seen that anywhere.

Greekclaret · Post by **Greekclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:51 pm

Would love for Collins to stay. Him and THB at the back is more than enough for a promotion push. However, if we are to lose Collins I’d like for us to be in for a veteran CB. Someone who’s been around and done it already. What’s Ben Mee up to these days?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:51 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:46 pm
Yes very true and very reliable Percy - was referring to Lancaster’s specific comment that when he tweets it means it’s definitely happening.

While you are here, your post suggested Stoke will get 5/6m which I don’t believe is correct.

The clause will be % (15-20 as a guess) of profit (7/8m ish), which would work out to be around 1-1.5m in total to them.

Where did I say Stoke will get anything? I have no idea what % if any Stoke will get

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:51 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:50 pm
Does he want to go? I've not seen that anywhere.

I’m assuming that’s the case, otherwise why would we be discussing imminent departures to Wolves

Claretnick · Post by **Claretnick** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:51 pm

Collins would not have signed for us without a release clause, a negative aspect of relegation I'm afraid, not much we can do about it. Bite the bullet and move on.

I am hoping Bobby Thomas, just a few months younger than Collins, is given a good chance to show if he is capable at Championship level.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:52 pm

NO GK and none of our three central defenders-the pressure on the new players is going to be immense, particularly if we cannot take pressure of them by having several strong attacking forwards

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:52 pm

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:51 pm
I’m assuming that’s the case, otherwise why would we be discussing imminent departures to Wolves

Probably because Wolves have made an offer and we want to sell

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:52 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:51 pm
Where did I say Stoke will get anything? I have no idea what % if any Stoke will get

Apologies must have been another poster near you who said it

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:52 pm
Probably because Wolves have made an offer and we want to sell

2 sides to the coin CT

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:53 pm

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:51 pm
I’m assuming that’s the case, otherwise why would we be discussing imminent departures to Wolves

because we are absolutely desperate to sell anything that breathes

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:50 pm
Does he want to go? I've not seen that anywhere.

I think his very non-committal interview with the Irish press post the game he scored in suggested he’d be open to leaving.

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:54 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:50 pm
I don't see the relevance or comparison with Pope.

We've just sold him at the age of 30 after being our first choice keeper for a number of years.

Think you'll find much of our fanbase thought 10m was a low offer for Nick Pope with 2 years on his deal. (1 year + option)

30 is nothing for a goalkeeper, he could have 8 or 9 years left yet.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:55 pm

matttheclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:19 pm
I'd say for any of these young players we are signing - don't get too attached to them. I'd say virtually all of them will have release clauses in their contracts which end up being considerably lower than we think it should be.

It's the ALK model isn't it? Sign for cheap(ish) and aim for a smallish profit. I have my doubts it's a model that will get us back into the Premier League any time soon.

I'd guess that players and their agents hold all the cards when dealing with a club like us (especially when we're in the PL. They either price themselves out of our wage structure or make us agree to release clauses so we can do little to stop them from moving on.

Zlatan · Post by **Zlatan** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:55 pm

Anyway… some cryptic Twitter noise suggesting Cullen is close

Conroysleftfoot · Post by **Conroysleftfoot** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:56 pm

ashtonlongsider wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:47 pm
Whilst understanding the logistics of relegation and the need to put 'our house in order'. However, I find it hard to believe we've agreed a release clause on Collins of around £20m. To me it doesn't make sense, especially taking into account the sell on clause Stoke will no doubt have included. I can't help feeling that if Collins does indeed move which now seems highly likely, our chances of a quick return to the PL are severely dented.

Like you I find it hard to believe that the release clause is so low. If, for instance, he was to stay will us and had a tremendous season helping us to regain our PL status we would still have to let him go for 20m when a team came in for him. Just seems wrong.

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:56 pm

When's our first home game again? At this rate the stadium might have been sold by the time we get back!!

Row Z · Post by **Row Z** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:56 pm

Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:56 pm
Like you I find it hard to believe that the release clause is so low. If, for instance, he was to stay will us and had a tremendous season helping us to regain our PL status we would still have to let him go for 20m when a team came in for him. Just seems wrong.

Release clause on relegation?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:56 pm

Nixon saying there is no bid at the valuation yet for Collins

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:57 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:54 pm
Think you'll find much of our fanbase thought 10m was a low offer for Nick Pope with 2 years on his deal. (1 year + option)

30 is nothing for a goalkeeper, he could have 8 or 9 years left yet.

He could, but it seems we're desperate for money right now.

Bowclaret · Post by **Bowclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:58 pm

No doubt Collins is going to go but the fee being touted is ridiculous. Early optimism is turning a little I feel ! The first starting 11 at Huddersfield is going to be very interesting.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:58 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:54 pm
Think you'll find much of our fanbase thought 10m was a low offer for Nick Pope with 2 years on his deal. (1 year + option)

30 is nothing for a goalkeeper, he could have 8 or 9 years left yet.

Perhaps that was the only offer we received.

Mattster · Post by **Mattster** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:59 pm

Nixon saying no bid at our valuation yet. Hopefully this is just Wolves/agent trying to push a lower price in the press following them agreeing personal terms.

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:00 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:56 pm
Nixon saying there is no bid at the valuation yet for Collins

Probably that 20.5m is their opening bid and they're not too far offer the valuation, so the deal is seen as in 'advanced talks'

It's probably a minor quarrel, like they want 20.5m + addons to make 25m, Burnley want a flat 25m.

It's expected that they will be able to make a deal.

FeedTheArf · Post by **FeedTheArf** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:00 pm

From the outside looking in, Collins has played 18 games in the Premier League. We of course know he’s worth more than that, and his value will likely continue to increase, but it’s a hard sell to convince teams of that especially when we’re in the league below and skint (hoping this doesn’t count as financial discussion).

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:01 pm

Shock Horror!!! A Premier League standard player doesn't want to stay at a relegated club. This is the reality of us being relegated.

Just like we don't seem to be hanging around signing players, moving into next targets quickly rather than hanging around we seem to be doing the same when players are wanting to leave, yes we may not our desired value but once a player wants to go...he is going, so best getting them out the door.

Not happy with this but was always going to happen, now let's get him out the door, get the money and re invest

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:02 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:52 pm
Probably because Wolves have made an offer and we want to sell

More likely Wolves have made an offer and we HAVE to sell because of our widely reported financial predicament.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:02 pm

Anyone else seen this one?

Newcastle United have been offered Watford and Nigeria forward Emmanuel Dennis, 24, along with Burnley's 25-year-old Ivory Coast winger Maxwell Cornet. (Chronicle Live)

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:02 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:00 pm
Probably that 20.5m is their opening bid and they're not too far offer the valuation, so the deal is seen as in 'advanced talks'

It's probably a minor quarrel, like they want 20.5m + addons to make 25m, Burnley want a flat 25m.

It's expected that they will be able to make a deal.

I’d agree with that.

ClaretPete001 · Post by **ClaretPete001** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:02 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:15 pm
Best players usually get sold on relegation.

Bournemouth made 75m in sales when they came down and spent a grand total of 0.

Glad we aren’t doing that.

You know that isn't true because you are aware of Ryan Christie.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:03 pm

Just looked it up. Nathan Ake & Ben Godfrey appear to be the only Championship defenders who have gone for more than the reported £20.5m. Ake had several seasons in the Prem under his belt at that point and Godfrey has just played a full Prem season for Norwich.

I mentioned Keane above, but his move was whilst we were still in the Prem.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:03 pm

If it hadn’t been for an injury Collins wouldn’t have played more than a handful of games and nobody would have missed him.