Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[RVclaret]

What has been on my mind since the Collins news came out was Adam Webster at Brighton for instance, he was signed by them for close to 20m when he was older and had never played in the premier league, the fee just seems strangely low

Take your point but Webster is also a very, very good player.

[ClaretInLeeds]

Great thread this.

This is what happens when you spend your entire life on a messageboard. You feel like you need to have an opinion on everything and you change your mind at the drop of a hat.

Quite sad really.

[Lancasterclaret]

Depends how the deal is structured, I.e. add-on's etc, and if cashing in on Collins allows us to complete 3/4 signings over the next week or so it might turn out to be worth it in the long run, also explains why we've been purchasing so many CB'S recently, if we suspected Nathan might be on his way.

Absolutely sure that this is the case that we knew Collins was off

We certainly need some more players, and I wouldn't expect this to be the end of the ins and outs

[Granny WeatherWax]

Some absolute whoppers on this thread. Find a young centre back with as little as experience as Collins who has gone for more?

The market is the market, and if £20.5m is where its at (i suspect it wont end up being that figure) and he wants to go what else can we do?

[forzagranata]

The big test for Pace will come in the late August madness before the deadline. When some mid-to-lower PL club gets their LB injured and thinks "Offer Burnley eight million for Taylor". Cornet, Dwight, Roberts, Taylor could all be vulnerable at that stage.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

Would you be happy if we were trying to sign a player for £30+ million who has only played a handful of games in the PL, or would you be saying that’s to high and he’s not worth that? I would like him to stay but £21 - £25m is about right

30+ isn't my expectation, 28 - 30m would represent a good deal for us.

If I was a Wolves fan? I don't think I'd be that worried by spending that on Collins.

I'd say he's probably the centre back best prospect playing in English football. He'll go to the top IMO.

[Tuddybfc]

Take your point but Webster is also a very, very good player.

Not denying that, is he/was he as good as Collins? I’m not so sure , I could have claret tinted specs on. I just think with length of contract we held all the cards and after the Pope fee and January transfer window profit it continues to leave a sour taste

[Lancasterclaret]

Not denying that, is he/was he as good as Collins? I’m not so sure , I could have claret tinted specs on. I just think with length of contract we held all the cards and after the Pope fee and January transfer window profit it continues to leave a sour taste

The conclusion you draw is two fold

He wanted to go

We need the money

[Woodleyclaret]

If Nathan Collins has no release clause we need to be looking at North of £30m with a 25% sell on clause
Nathan has the talent to become a great player and we mustn't let him go cheaply .
We lost Nick for a laughable fee and must get maximum money for Nathan.

[Granny WeatherWax]

Its like people think we can hold onto a player who wants to leave for the league above if a clubs wont pay miles above market value for him, its completely unrealistic.

[quoonbeatz]

Great context. That was based on the assumption we were keeping the best CB in the league.

We have now lost said CB and still need to sign a top striker.

Lol at 'context'. We were never one player away from winning the league and we are not now one player away from getting promoted.

You should also probably stop assuming things that were clearly highly unlikely several weeks ago.

[tiger76]

Absolutely sure that this is the case that we knew Collins was off

We certainly need some more players, and I wouldn't expect this to be the end of the ins and outs

Yes it tends to suggest we expected him to go, doesn't mean I'm happy about it, but the reality of relegation means our better players will likely be sold.

It's what we do next that'll determine whether we're serious about a promotion bid this season or not, and only time will tell on that.

To put it into context we're on the verge of selling a player for over £20m who's only played a handful of PL games, and although Collins has huge potential this just highlights how mad the market is these days.

Regarding your last sentence we'll certainly see more ins and outs before the window shuts, and only then can we truly assess our activity.

[claretandy]

Cullen done according to Petr O'Rourke.

[Tuddybfc]

Yes it tends to suggest we expected him to go, doesn't mean I'm happy about it, but the reality of relegation means our better players will likely be sold.

It's what we do next that'll determine whether we're serious about a promotion bid this season or not, and only time will tell on that.

To put it into context we're on the verge of selling a player for over £20m who's only played a handful of PL games, and although Collins has huge potential this just highlights how mad the market is these days.

Regarding your last sentence we'll certainly see more ins and outs before the window shuts, and only then can we truly assess our activity.

Cannot ignore the fact we paid around 12m and Stoke are due a cut of profits. Makes the selling for 20m sound a lot less appealing

[RVclaret]

Cullen done according to Petr O'Rourke.

Great news.

Medical completed and 4 year deal agreed.

I guess this could be announced today then.

[RVclaret]

2.5m for Cullen it seems. Absolutely bargain, well done to the club.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Lol at 'context'. We were never one player away from winning the league and we are not now one player away from getting promoted.

You should also probably stop assuming things that were clearly highly unlikely several weeks ago.

It’s an opinion quoon, they can change.

My opinion is that with Collins in our team our defence was arguably one of the best in the league. Losing him is really significant to me.
Look if we go away and sign a top CB and a striker I am sure my opinion will change again. But right now I can’t help but feel annoyed at this loss of such a talented player

[tiger76]

Cannot ignore the fact we paid around 12m and Stoke are due a cut of profits. Makes the selling for 20m sound a lot less appealing

We don't know if that 12m included him meeting certain requirements or not, and if the lad wants to go, and there's only Wolves showing big money interest, then as others have stated what can we do, the alternative is to keep an unhappy player in the hope that other clubs might be drawn into a bidding war, no guarantees on that front, and at the same time some of our own targets might be missed out on, O'Hare being an obvious one.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

I suspect the club knew Collins was going when Alan Nixon broke this story in mid-June, and that's why we've signed 3 centre backs.

It's also notable that he's the only player other than Weghorst than hasn't reported for preseason, which I did think was odd once Cornet was back.

Seems to be that it's all been a case of Collins agree terms and waiting to see if anyone else comes in.

Friday's friendly might give an eye-opener as to who VK sees as being a part of the plans for the season.

[Newcastleclaret93]

2.5m for Cullen it seems. Absolutely bargain, well done to the club.

Hopefully does well.

[Granny WeatherWax]

It’s an opinion quoon, they can change.

My opinion is that with Collins in our team our defence was arguably one of the best in the league. Losing him is really significant to me.
Look if we go away and sign a top CB and a striker I am sure my opinion will change again. But right now I can’t help but feel annoyed at this loss of such a talented player

Feel annoyed (im disappointed) but its not something to beat the club up about.

[eastcoastclaret]

I wonder if there are performance add ons / sizeable sell on % clause involved, I would imagine so.

If there is a release clause, can you even have add on/sell on percentage?

I would have thought they only apply when negotiating a sale price.

[RVclaret]

If there is a release clause, can you even have add on/sell on percentage?

I would have thought they only apply when negotiating a sale price.

Depends if there was one or not.

[tiger76]

2.5m for Cullen it seems. Absolutely bargain, well done to the club.

Good business at that price, and someone who will be familiar with how Kompany works, and also used to his formations.

Don't know a great deal about the lad, but if Kompany wants him I'm happy to trust his judgement.

[quoonbeatz]

It’s an opinion quoon, they can change.

My opinion is that with Collins in our team our defence was arguably one of the best in the league. Losing him is really significant to me.
Look if we go away and sign a top CB and a striker I am sure my opinion will change again. But right now I can’t help but feel annoyed at this loss of such a talented player

Collins had all but said he was going after he scored that goal for Ireland so you should really have been used to it by now.

Still, it's good to see jedi_master's emotional swingometer has found a good home.

[jedi_master]

Cullen done according to Petr O'Rourke.

I’m happy with this one.

[DCWat]

The often trotted out ‘assess our window when it’s closed’ line is probably more pertinent now than it was during any of the recent windows, that left many frustrated.

After a few windows, it came as no surprise, that no matter how long we patiently waited, Boden would be stood down with nothing to report. Waiting until the end of the window to assess all felt pretty pointless, back then.

This time though, I think that’s exactly what we need to do, both to assess the quality and experience that we’ve brought in and to see if it’s been a window to boost the promotion chances or boost the coffers (for whatever purpose).

We definitely need more signings (out wide, in attack and probably left back too) and we definitely need some experience that will hit the ground running. This without further departures.

The positive so far is that we’ve been getting some business done early and there is still plenty of time to add to the numbers.

[Mala591]

Cullen done according to Petr O'Rourke.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/josh-cu ... ler/242606

[TheFamilyCat]

Collins and Cullen in the same team would cause far too much confusion for some on this board.

It was quite clear that Collins had to go.

[Mala591]

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[jedi_master]

The often trotted out ‘assess our window when it’s closed’ line is probably more pertinent now than it was during any of the recent windows, that left many frustrated.

After a few windows, it came as no surprise, that no matter how long we patiently waited, Boden would be stood down with nothing to report. Waiting until the end of the window to assess all felt pretty pointless, back then.

This time though, I think that’s exactly what we need to do, both to assess the quality and experience that we’ve brought in and to see if it’s been a window to boost the promotion chances or boost the coffers (for whatever purpose).

We definitely need more signings (out wide, in attack and probably left back too) and we definitely need some experience that will hit the ground running. This without further departures.

The positive so far is that we’ve been getting some business done early and there is still plenty of time to add to the numbers.

Perfectly encapsulates my thoughts that, spot on. Too many what ifs to judge anything yet.

[claretonthecoast1882]

How much did Guehi cost

[RVclaret]

How much did Guehi cost

Fee that could reach up to 20m

He was voted in the leagues team of the season too

[agreenwood]

I get that it’s a lower fee for Collins than we’d like, but assuming the midland club nodding dog journo is right £20.5m, it’s a new record for an Rep Ireland footballer and the 3rd highest fee ever paid for a defender who isn’t in top tier football.

It might not be the sum you were expecting, but it’s hardly peanuts.

[KRBFC]

Collins had all but said he was going after he scored that goal for Ireland so you should really have been used to it by now.

Still, it's good to see jedi_master's emotional swingometer has found a good home.

Was that when he talked about bringing Cullen back to Burnley with him?

[jedi_master]

Collins had all but said he was going after he scored that goal for Ireland so you should really have been used to it by now.

Still, it's good to see jedi_master's emotional swingometer has found a good home.

I bequeath it willingly

[Rowls]

Gutted. We’ve lost Pope and Collins for a combined fee less than I’d have valued for either of them as a single sale.

It’s a gamble. Let’s all hope it clicks quickly for us and the gamble pays off.

[agreenwood]

I bequeath it willingly

In my head Newcastle is either Jedi’s younger brother or his son.

[Lancasterclaret]

In my head Newcastle is either Jedi’s younger brother or his son.

All getting a bit too Star Wars here, but I can imagine an elder Jedi telling a shocked Newcastle

"Yes, I am your father"

[jedi_master]

In my head Newcastle is either Jedi’s younger brother or his son.

Haha! He’s got a long way to go yet, I remember making a post on Clarets Mad that resulted in me being contacted for potential legal action from Stan Ternent.

It’s interesting posting on a messageboard, it’s a snapshot of your personality. You don’t know what people are like ‘in real life’. Most who know me would say I’m a grounded, sensible person who doesn’t get too high or low. Burnley Football Club are clearly my kryptonite.

[Mattster]

Don't know if mentioned already amidst all the Collins fallout but footyinsider are reporting Cullen has signed a 4 year deal after completing his medical yesterday.

[dsr]

Some absolute whoppers on this thread. Find a young centre back with as little as experience as Collins who has gone for more?

The market is the market, and if £20.5m is where its at (i suspect it wont end up being that figure) and he wants to go what else can we do?

Brighton sold Ben White for £50m, and he had played 36 PL and 46 Championship games compared with Collins' 18 and 39. Not a lot of difference in experience.

Though White was 23, almost 24 at the time, so perhaps not so young. 2 years and 8 months older than Collins is now. when White was just turned 21, his only experience was with Newport County.

[Mattster]

Brighton sold Ben White for £50m, and he had played 36 PL and 46 Championship games compared with Collins' 18 and 39. Not a lot of difference in experience.

Though White was 23, almost 24 at the time, so perhaps not so young. 2 years and 8 months older than Collins is now. when White was just turned 21, his only experience was with Newport County.

Big difference is Brighton were a Premier League club with all the revenue streams that comes from that, we're not anymore.

[randomclaret2]

Pope, Tarkowski, Mee, and Collins all gone...for around £30m . Good Grief...

[2 Bee Holed]

.

I agree.

[quoonbeatz]

I bequeath it willingly

You've come a long way baby

[Lancasterclaret]

Can people stop adding Tarks and Mee to our transfer outgoings as a negative please?

They were out of contract, we got nothing for them, and got their wages off the wage bill

Pope and Collins for £30-40m plus add ons and sell on fees is a lot fairer way of looking at it

[quoonbeatz]

Was that when he talked about bringing Cullen back to Burnley with him?

Yep. The one where he said "who knows where I'll be, even in 10 days time." A sure sign that a player is leaving. Just ask Ben Mee.

[agreenwood]

Big difference is Brighton were a Premier League club with all the revenue streams that comes from that, we're not anymore.

Aye. Bit easier to stand firm and demand a ridiculous fee from the comfort of the PL.

I also wonder if the failure of so many of the young centre halves who have gone for mega money has dampened values. White, Ake, Godfrey et al have proven to be poor value so far.

[Guller Bull]

Can people stop adding Tarks and Mee to our transfer outgoings as a negative please?

They were out of contract, we got nothing for them, and got their wages off the wage bill

Pope and Collins for £30-40m plus add ons and sell on fees is a lot fairer way of looking at it

Doesn't fit the narrative though LC!